U.S. Army awards SIGARMS®contract for 5,000 SIG SAUER®SP2022

[CQB_Operator]

SIGARMS has won a third major contract since August when the U.S. Department of Homeland Security awarded $23.7 million contract to the company.
That contract was followed by one from the U.S. Coast Guard valued at $4.2 million. This new contract from the U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command at the Rock Island Arsenal is for the SIG SAUER® SP2022 chambered in 9mm.
"We are extremely pleased that SIGARMS has won yet another major pistol contract. TACOM's selection of the SIG SAUER® SP2022 demonstrates yet again the high level of confidence our military and federal government have in our firearms," said Peter Kujawski, SIGARMS Vice President of Military and Government Sales.

http://www.sigarms.com/news/index.asp?display=detail&id=72

That's a BIG contract for handguns

[warGOD]

I've never shot a better handgun than the SiG's. H&K second.

And yes, I tried a lot!

SiG all the way! woot

[CQB_Operator]

I've tested a lot of (hand)guns, and I like the SIGs very much, but IMHO the 2022 is far from being the best (SIG)one. I rather prefer the 226 but it's just me ;)

[Aerosoul]

226 come in .40 S&W and/or .45 ACP?

[ibstolidude]

and your title is a BIG violation of the forum rules - no caps please adjust.

[Michael RVR]

I've tested a lot of (hand)guns, and I like the SIGs very much, but IMHO the 2022 is far from being the best (SIG)one. I rather prefer the 226 but it's just me ;)

What makes you say that ? I'm curious, very little experience with pistols.

[CQB_Operator]

I've tested a lot of (hand)guns, and I like the SIGs very much, but IMHO the 2022 is far from being the best (SIG)one. I rather prefer the 226 but it's just me ;)

What makes you say that ? I'm curious, very little experience with pistols.

It's about the trigger system, way too long and harder than the p226.
For some administrations it's safer to get a pistol in double action, it avoid A.D. under stress . I think, it's not the pistol that's important but the shooter, with proper training you get all you need to use safely you pistol. ...and the real question does the soldiers, police officers received the proper training, and do they shoot regulary to maintain their qualification??!

The second point is that I prefer a pistol who shoots every rounds with the same pressure of the trigger (e.g. single action, or glocks and so.)
with the 2022, and the 226, the first shot is in double action and the next ones in "single" action. But with time and regular training you'll get use to it ;)

[Catch22]

@CQB-Op: It always depends on the drill they teach you. DA in SIG remains less important issue if you are not allowed to carry a gun with round chambered. As it is here in Poland.

[thatguy96]

This is interesting seeing there is a certain amount of circumstantial evidence to show that the US government screwed Sig-Sauer in the trial that led to the adoption of the M9.

[Initiative]

woot

[D.E. Watters]

W52H09-05-C-0059 is the SIG contract.

https://aais.ria.army.mil/aais/award_web_05/W52H0905C0059/000000.pdf

The previous contract number in sequence shows an award to Ruger for the purchase of 5,000 P95 pistols.

https://aais.ria.army.mil/aais/award_web_05/W52H0905C0058/000000.pdf

I suspect, but cannot prove, these purchases are related to the following RFP from TACOM posted early in December 2004. Less than a week was given for replies. Selected parts of the solicitation are as follows:


Description of Requirement: 10,000 each 9 mm Pistols with 2 each High Capacity Military/Law Enforcement (LE) Magazines per Weapon for Standard NATO 9 mm (9 X 19 mm) Caliber.

All proposed pistols must contain the following salient features:

9 X 19 mm (NATO) Caliber
2 ea. 15 round Military/Law Enforcement (LE) High Capacity Magazines per Pistol
Length: 7" - 8"
Weight: 28 - 35 oz
Single/Double Action
Finish: Gray/Black/Blue Flat Non-Reflective
Manual Decock/Safety Capable.

ISO9001-2000 is a requirement for all offerors. Offerors must submit with its proposal a statement certifying that any and all proffered guns were manufactured or will be manufactured in a facility with an ISO9001-2000 quality system.

Offerors may propose on all or part of this total requirement; however offerors proposing less than the total requirement of 10,000 each 9 mm Pistols must propose quantity ranges in increments of 100 each with a price corresponding to each range. NOTE: The minimum quantity an offeror may propose for delivery is 100 each.

One or multiple awards may result from this solicitation.

Requirements call for a Certificate of Conformance (COC), Acceptance at Origin and F.O.B. Destination. Concerning transportation, offerors should include in their proposal a price for shipment to two possible destinations. The first price would be for the contractor's pistols to be shipped F.O.B. Destination to:

XR WOL7 Anniston Munitions Center
Trans Officer
7 Frankford Ave., BLDG 380
Anniston, AL 36201-4199.

The second price would be for the contractor's pistols to be shipped directly to Baghdad International Airport, Baghdad, Iraq.

Note that between the Rugers and the SIGs, this adds up to the requested 10,000 pistols. My bet is that these are going to the Iraqi National Guard or Police.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Can somebody please explain what is going on here?

The US Army adopts the Beretta M9 - tells the world it's tops, but is now buying SiG-Sauer/Ruger and other 9mm pistols in larger quantities. How they ever decided in favour of the M9 in the first place is beyond me when pistols from companies like SiG, H&K & Glock were available. Are they now admitting that the Beretta M9 ain't so good or are they supplying pistols to the Iraqis which are better than the ones they issue to the US Army?

[CQB_Operator]

Can somebody please explain what is going on here?

The US Army adopts the Beretta M9 - tells the world it's tops, but is now buying SiG-Sauer/Ruger and other 9mm pistols in larger quantities. How they ever decided in favour of the M9 in the first place is beyond me when pistols from companies like SiG, H&K & Glock were available. Are they now admitting that the Beretta M9 ain't so good or are they supplying pistols to the Iraqis which are better than the ones they issue to the US Army?
Only in America :lol:

[TacoDelRio]

I'd say stick to the Ruger. Never had problems with them here.

[thatguy96]

Can somebody please explain what is going on here?

The US Army adopts the Beretta M9 - tells the world it's tops, but is now buying SiG-Sauer/Ruger and other 9mm pistols in larger quantities. How they ever decided in favour of the M9 in the first place is beyond me when pistols from companies like SiG, H&K & Glock were available. Are they now admitting that the Beretta M9 ain't so good or are they supplying pistols to the Iraqis which are better than the ones they issue to the US Army?
Look at the post above yours.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Can somebody please explain what is going on here?

The US Army adopts the Beretta M9 - tells the world it's tops, but is now buying SiG-Sauer/Ruger and other 9mm pistols in larger quantities. How they ever decided in favour of the M9 in the first place is beyond me when pistols from companies like SiG, H&K & Glock were available. Are they now admitting that the Beretta M9 ain't so good or are they supplying pistols to the Iraqis which are better than the ones they issue to the US Army?
Look at the post above yours.

I have - but other than a shipping destination it doesn't answer my question. I'm sure the answer is as I have suggested, but I would welcome a more informed view.

[Mick]

the police division of the NYC Dept of environmental Protection, where i serve as a Ranger, got Ruger p94s in 40 S&W and had NOTHING but problems with them... the barrels were crap. they have since gone to G19s

[Steel21]

M9 was partial to keep the bases in Italy back in the 80s.

[Hyper]

Can somebody please explain what is going on here?

The US Army adopts the Beretta M9 - tells the world it's tops, but is now buying SiG-Sauer/Ruger and other 9mm pistols in larger quantities. How they ever decided in favour of the M9 in the first place is beyond me when pistols from companies like SiG, H&K & Glock were available. Are they now admitting that the Beretta M9 ain't so good or are they supplying pistols to the Iraqis which are better than the ones they issue to the US Army?

Heard Iraqis are getting the Springfield XD.

[Werewolf01]

Wait a minute, I know about the SiG's since the 229 has been around a while. What's this about Rugers?

Everybody knows the M9 only won the competition because the Army wanted it to.

[Geezah]

226 come in .40 S&W and/or .45 ACP?

9mm, .357 SIG and .40 S&W, they don't come in .45 ACP

[Durandal]

And you have that 26.whatever million dollar contract with H&K for the P2000 last year.

Yep, only in America...

The should have just bought Colts and Springfields...for everyone, and left it at that. Now we have 8 different handguns of three or four calibers to deal with.

Idiots.

[Sir Zach of R.]

And you have that 26.whatever million dollar contract with H&K for the P2000 last year.

Yep, only in America...

The should have just bought Colts and Springfields...for everyone, and left it at that. Now we have 8 different handguns of three or four calibers to deal with.

Idiots.

x2

[Durandal]

Idiots.

x2

To be fair, I honestly do not care what gun they use, so long as it full fills the need. It doesn't even need to be an American company since definition of an "American" company is so vague these days.

American gun are sometimes made overseas and a majority of foreign firearms are made in the U.S..

If you are going to use a 9mm though, they should all be the same. Maybe a full frame and a concealable version, but that's it.

Just think how simple logistics would be for the (local and Federal) government.

"I would like to order 101 million rounds of 9mm please. 20 thousand new hammers, 40 thousand new chrome lined barrels, and new springs."

That's it.

But noooo...we need .45, .40, .357, AND 9mm...produced by no less than 9 manufacturers (Colt, Springfield, H&K, Beretta, SiG, Ruger, Glock, FN, Smith and Wesson). (There are more manufacturers, but these are the big suppliers of handguns).

As if there is ENOUGH of a difference between ALL four rounds.

[Werewolf01]

I fail to see why we can't follow your suggestions, EXCEPT, politics always seems to get in the way, just like it gets in the way of EVERYTHING else that makes sense. If we can spend $100 million to $500 million per unit for aircraft, I fail to see why we can't set up a small arms test and pick the best combination of reliability and accuracy in whatever caliber we choose to utilize, and award the contact to the winner. Then again, I am not a politician, so common sense and logic do apply to me. :cantbeli:

[Durandal]

...I fail to see why we can't set up a small arms test and pick the best combination of reliability and accuracy in whatever caliber we choose to utilize, and award the contact to the winner...

Because even the trials/tests we do have are riddled with politics, pork barreling, "vote" buying, and last minute changes.

I have several family members in the Defense Industry...the horror stories I hear make me cry.

[REMOV]

Heard Iraqis are getting the Springfield XD.Poland sold them ca.6000 9mm P99 pistols ;)

[Durandal]

Heard Iraqis are getting the Springfield XD.Poland sold them ca.6000 9mm P99 pistols ;)

Iraq is currently an arms manufacturer's dream...

Its not too often that you get orders to equip an entirely new, from the ground up military.

[HooyahCQB]

This thing looks like a cross between a P226 and a USP

[Geezah]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/52447468542099b5a24916.jpg

Off topic: Hooyah, is that you with Oli North?

[REMOV]

Iraq is currently an arms manufacturer's dream...If only you've got a lot of cheap and good quality AK and PKM-clones, the Iraq is yours ;) (but Poland sold them also brand new 9mm PM-98 Glauberyt SMG and old 5,45mm wz.88 Tantal assault rifles and I'm waiting to see the first pictures with this weapons from Iraq, I'll bet that many confuses the Tantal with AK-74 ;) )
Its not too often that you get orders to equip an entirely new, from the ground up military.That's right, Durandal, so Poles grabbed a chance ;)

[Durandal]

That's right, Durandal, so Poles grabbed a chance ;)

More power to 'em!

[Michael RVR]

I've tested a lot of (hand)guns, and I like the SIGs very much, but IMHO the 2022 is far from being the best (SIG)one. I rather prefer the 226 but it's just me ;)

What makes you say that ? I'm curious, very little experience with pistols.

It's about the trigger system, way too long and harder than the p226.
For some administrations it's safer to get a pistol in double action, it avoid A.D. under stress . I think, it's not the pistol that's important but the shooter, with proper training you get all you need to use safely you pistol. ...and the real question does the soldiers, police officers received the proper training, and do they shoot regulary to maintain their qualification??!

The second point is that I prefer a pistol who shoots every rounds with the same pressure of the trigger (e.g. single action, or glocks and so.)
with the 2022, and the 226, the first shot is in double action and the next ones in "single" action. But with time and regular training you'll get use to it ;)

Got it, Thanks :)

[Aerosoul]

226 come in .40 S&W and/or .45 ACP?

9mm, .357 SIG and .40 S&W, they don't come in .45 ACP

OK, thanks.

[AOCBravo2004]

Anyone have a pic of the P2022? I have yet to see this model. I've fired a couple of Glocks, Sig's, and the Baretta M9. I really like the Sig's. Might get my CCW and purchase either a Sig or a Glock.

[Geezah]

Anyone have a pic of the P2022? I have yet to see this model. I've fired a couple of Glocks, Sig's, and the Baretta M9. I really like the Sig's. Might get my CCW and purchase either a Sig or a Glock.

http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/sp2022-large.jpg


The SIG SAUER® SP2022, the latest version of popular Sig Pro polymer framed pistol from SIGARMS®, is now available for consumer, as well as law enforcement sales.

The new SP2022 features a durable, lightweight and wear-resistant polymer frame with the added tactical versatility of an M1913 Picatinny rail and comes with two interchangeable grips. The slide is machined from a solid block of stainless steel and protected by SIG’s black Nitron® finish. Available in 9mm, 357 SIG and 40 S&W, the SP2022 can easily be converted from a Double-Action/Single-Action to a Double-Action Only configuration through a unique integral fire control unit.

The SP2022 also features the SIG SAUER four-point safety system and comes in a lockable SIGARMS pistol case with a cable lock included.

The Sig Pro has earned an enviable reputation and proven track record of reliable performance in the hands of law enforcement professionals. In December of 2004 the U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command at the Rock Island Arsenal awarded SIGARMS a contract for 5,000 of SIG SAUER SP2022 pistols chambered in 9mm and once again proved that SIGARMS is the name to turn to When It Counts.