Israel restricts Ramadan prayers in Jerusalem

[EvanL]

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JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli troops briefly scuffled with Muslim worshippers making their way to Jerusalem from the West Bank for special Friday prayers, lightly injuring one Palestinian.

Despite the tensions in the West Bank, the first Friday prayers celebrating the holy month of Ramadan proceeded in Jerusalem without incident.

In other news, the United States offered a $5 million (U.S.) reward in the investigation of a deadly bombing of a U.S. convoy.

About 175,000 Palestinians flocked to the sacred hilltop plaza in Jerusalem for Ramadan prayers, while others were turned away at army checkpoints. Control over the site, revered by Muslims and Jews, is one of the most hotly contested issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The plaza of mosques, known by Muslims as the Haram as-Sharif, or Noble Sanctuary, is the third holiest place in Islam and is revered as the site where the Prophet Muhammad ascended into heaven. It also is home to the Temple Mount, Judaism's holiest site, where the two biblical Jewish temples, destroyed by invading armies, were situated.

A trip to the compound on Sept. 28, 2000 by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon — then Israel's opposition leader — to demonstrate Israeli claims to the site set off days of rioting that widened into the current fighting.

Fearing youths would provoke clashes with Israeli forces during Ramadan prayers, police allowed only older, married Palestinians to pray at the site Friday. Men had to be older than 45, and women at least 35, said Jerusalem police spokesman Shmuel Ben-Ruby. Police set the quota at 4,000 from the West Bank and 1,000 from the Gaza Strip.

No age restrictions were imposed on Palestinian residents of Jerusalem.

Friday's scuffle occurred near Bethlehem after soldiers prevented a few hundred worshippers from entering Jerusalem, several kilometres away, and some tried to push and shove their way through a checkpoint. Troops fired a stun grenade, setting off a loud blast. One Palestinian was reported lightly injured.

Asked about the scuffles, the military said that Palestinian officials in the city had not provided lists of names of worshippers, preventing soldiers from allowing people past checkpoints. The army said soldiers needed to screen lists for possible security risks.

Israel has been enforcing a strict travel ban in the past three years of fighting, preventing most Palestinians from reaching Israel.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv said the U.S. State Department was offering a $5 million reward for information that helps find those behind the roadside bomb attack that destroyed a U.S. diplomatic vehicle and killed three American security guards.

The Oct. 15 attack in Gaza led the United States to suspend official travel to the coastal territory and has also set back U.S. involvement in peace efforts.

Also Friday, vandals spray-painted graffiti on a memorial for slain prime minister Yitzhak Rabin a day before crowds are to gather at the Tel Aviv plaza where he was shot during a 1995 peace rally. Saturday's ceremony is to mark the anniversary of his assassination by an extremist Jew opposed to his peace efforts.

Workers used high-pressured water sprayers to clean white paint from the black memorial stones and plaque in the plaza.

In Gaza City, hundreds of supporters of the militant group Islamic Jihad marked the anniversary of the death of the group's leader Fathi Shakaki, who was killed by gunmen in Malta in 1995. Israel was believed to be responsible for the killing.

Dozens of masked activists in camouflage marched in front of the crowd, some of them holding machine guns and hand grenades. A giant Israeli flag was draped on the ground as activists stamped across the parade area. Other masked marchers wore black T-shirts with pictures of Shakaki.

[One?]

those who want to pray are all terrorists.

[jdbjdb]

If Palestinian kids would quit throwing rocks onto jews praying down below i'm sure they allow the muslims to pray in peace :)
One they are not all terrorist :hug:

[One?]

They started throwing rocks at the jews praying below after soldeirs stepped into the mosque and started shooting the old and the young.

[AirZone]

They started throwing rocks at the jews praying below after soldeirs stepped into the mosque and started shooting the old and the young. really ? when ? why ?

give me proofs !!!!

you always say we shot this we shot that.. so from where is all the info ??
:roll:

[jdbjdb]

Is the question directed at me? or the pro palestinian terrorist

[ArmoredDov_D9]

those who want to pray are all terrorists.

It is pitty that the only requirement to be a Muslim Imam in the Palestinian and Arab mosque are to jump like a monkey and scream "Kill 'em all in the name of Allah! Kill 'em all!"

If Mohammed was seeing what the Palestinians and Arab doing with his religion he would had second thoughts on founding it.

[jdbjdb]

They started throwing rocks at the jews praying below after soldeirs stepped into the mosque and started shooting the old and the young
What do you expect Israel todo when Muslims start destroying the holiest site in Judaism...Har Habyit???

[One?]

They started throwing rocks at the jews praying below after soldeirs stepped into the mosque and started shooting the old and the young. really ? when ? why ?

give me proofs !!!!

you always say we shot this we shot that.. so from where is all the info ??
:roll:

WHen sharon entered the mosque the Israeli soldeirs did not fire any rounds. Instead they threw flowers on them.


Racist bastard :bash: Its not the holiest site for Jews alone dumbass.

[UoUo]

It our right to enter there. simple as that.

Oh .. you are realy stupaid....if those fantic muslims weren't throwing rocks on sharon...the police didn't shoot on them.

[IDFM203]

They started throwing rocks at the jews praying below after soldeirs stepped into the mosque and started shooting the old and the young. really ? when ? why ?

give me proofs !!!!

you always say we shot this we shot that.. so from where is all the info ??
:roll:

When sharon entered the mosque the Israeli soldeirs did not fire any rounds. Instead they threw flowers on them. no when Sharon entered one of Judaism holist sites (as well as Muslims) which is his right as a Israeli citizen, the repose by the arabs was rock throwing at Israeli civilians (worshippers) down below.(which btw happens all the time) and not to mention the war which they started as well.


Racist bastard :bash: Its not the holiest site for Jews alone dumbass. you as an arab are calling us Jews for being racist when it comes to holy sites?!? rofl what are you kidding me :roll: ??

When the Arabs had control of Jerusalem, biet lechem (Bethlehem), hebron, shchem (nablus) etc..no Jew was ever allowed to visit jewish holy sites in those places

After 1967 when Israel got control of those areas, they immediacy gave control of the arab holy sites over to Muslim control, something which the Arabs never did to the Jews with their holy sites when they had control

Before an Arab (“one”) starts that racist spin at others, look in the mirror first.

Shalom :D

[California Joe]

Maybe everyone should stop praying so frigging much and go get jobs. Straighten this whole goddamned thing out. Assheads.

[jdbjdb]

One you accuse me of being racist, and I will accuse you of being Anti-Semitic

[SFontaine]

Hilarious. If some Arabs did this in some other country to Christians or Jews or something you'd all be freakin out. But if Jew s do it to Arabs its a-okay

[UoUo]

Funny that if we did let them get in they will thorwing rocks on people..and the police will get involed and people will get killed....choose what you favhor senario.

[IDFM203]

Hilarious. If some Arabs did this in some other country to Christians or Jews or something you'd all be freakin out. But if Jew s do it to Arabs its a-okaySo let me understand your (warped) view on this…

From 1948 till 1967 when the Arabs had full control over Jewish holy sites and did not allow a single Jew to ever visit them, no one said a thing!!! But when Israel got control after 1967 and in fact gave over all the Arab holy sites to the Arabs where they were allowed to visit and in fact had full own control over them but recently with the wave of homicide bombers entering into Israel, or the constant rock throwing down below on Israeli civilians from that site and as such Israel tries to take some security measures to stop that, but yet you are with your condesanding way in complete condemnation of the Jews here?!? :roll:

Shalom :D

[jdbjdb]

From 1948 till 1967 when the Arabs had full control over Jewish holy sites and did not allow a single Jew to ever visit them, no one said a thing!!! But when Israel got control after 1967 and in fact gave over all the Arab holy sites to the Arabs where they were allowed to visit and in fact had full own control over them
Arabs think they own everything in the middle east, arabs say that jews have no claim to the temple mount

[One?]

Arabs own everything yes. How hard is it to understand. ITS CALLED THE ARAB PENINSULA for a reason. I don't think there was any polish Jews living in that area before.

[IDFM203]

Arabs own everything yes. How hard is it to understand. ITS CALLED THE ARAB PENINSULA for a reason. I don't think there was any polish Jews living in that area before.boy and your calling people racist?? :roll:
wow talk about close minded!!!
I mean your false insinuations that the jews have no right whatsoever to that land confirms my above statements.

Second of all yes there were Jews living in Jerusalem for thousands of years and right up to 1948.

And no I am not talking about Jews that came after the holocaust.
The fact is that there were Jew’s living in Israel and in particular Jerusalem way before 1948 and all up to that date.

Oh and I repeat……”When the Arabs had control of Jerusalem, biet lechem (Bethlehem), hebron, shchem (nablus) etc..no Jew was ever allowed by the Arabs to visit the Jewish holy sites in those places

now After 1967 when Israel got control of those areas, they immediacy gave control of the Arab holy sites over to Muslim control, something which the Arabs never did to the Jews with their holy sites when they had control.

Shalom.

[One?]

Notice how I said POLISH (and other european NON arab) jews :) and when I said arabs own the land I meant jews/muslims/christians not only muslims.

Edit:

IDF where exactly in my post did I deny that the arab jews have no right to the land? Unless Jews who lived in that area don't consider themselves arabs.

[IDFM203]

Notice how I said POLISH (and other european NON arab) jews :) and when I said arabs own the land I meant jews/muslims/christians not only muslims. first of all whether you meant one thing or not is moot point for most of us got exactly as to what you were referring to.

This whole Arab word definition is purely semantic for now when one says Arab he is referring mostly to Muslims but most certainly no one is referring to Jews not even in the Arab world.

Besides even in this semantic word game of yours, the Arabs never even allowed any “Arab” Jew to visit the Jewish holy sites when they had control as we have allowed Arabs to visit theirs and have even given over control of their holy sites to them.


Unless Jews who lived in that area don't consider themselves arabs. no the fact is that most Arabs don’t consider any Jew as an Arab not even the ones that are from their own countries. I mean if they did, they would never have made a distinction and kicked out over 750 thousand Jews from the 22 Arab countries.

[One?]

That is not true. Christians dont want to be associated with the word arab, and neither do jews. In every post on this forum I keep saying that arabs are not only muslims but jews and christians.


Ali Abdallah Saleh (president of Yemen) said that if there any Jews that want to go back to Yemen they are more than welcome. But why would they? There are lots of Jews in morocco no one kicked them out from there. Or are they not arabs?

You or the west wants to make the distinction between arabs pure muslims and not any other religion.

[StarvingStudent47]

Arabs own everything yes. How hard is it to understand. ITS CALLED THE ARAB PENINSULA for a reason. I don't think there was any polish Jews living in that area before.

And there are also a lot of Arabs and Muslims in Europe who didn't live there 200 years ago. Don't play this game unless you're ready for it to go both ways.

That said, I think your comments are probably helping the Israeli cause more than anything IDFm203 or UoUo could say. You're proving that Israel has no partner for peace. You're proving that Arabs will stop at nothing less than the complete destruction of the state of Israel and the mass deportation of Israelis. Keep it up, you're winning Israel more supporters every day ;)

[One?]

Arabs own everything yes. How hard is it to understand. ITS CALLED THE ARAB PENINSULA for a reason. I don't think there was any polish Jews living in that area before.

And there are also a lot of Arabs and Muslims in Europe who didn't live there 200 years ago. Don't play this game unless you're ready for it to go both ways.

That said, I think your comments are probably helping the Israeli cause more than anything IDFm203 or UoUo could say. You're proving that Israel has no partner for peace. You're proving that Arabs will stop at nothing less than the complete destruction of the state of Israel and the mass deportation of Israelis. Keep it up, you're winning Israel more supporters every day ;)


JDJB said the Jews own the land and the arabs dont own anything. Well history says that Arab tribes of all religions were there before any european or non arab jew came to the land. So I will stick to my word that arabs own the land.


So what if Muslims live in Europe? They don't say the land is theirs but they live and abide the country's laws.


Edit:

IDF changed my words and said that arab jews never existed in that area. Look up my other posts on this forum and see if I said arabs = muslims only.

[StarvingStudent47]

JDJB said the Jews own the land and the arabs dont own anything. Well history says that Arab tribes of all religions were there before any european or non arab jew came to the land. So I will stick to my word that arabs own the land.


So what if Muslims live in Europe? They don't say the land is theirs but they live and abide the country's laws.


Edit:

IDF changed my words and said that arab jews never existed in that area. Look up my other posts on this forum and see if I said arabs = muslims only.

Oh really? Muslims in Europe don't want independent states? What about the Muslims in the Russian territory known as "Chechnya"? What about Muslims in Serbia? Russia and the former Yugoslavia are IN EUROPE, don't forget. Would you deny these people independence too, and tell them "well just call yourselves Russians or Serbians?"

I wouldn't. Don't get me wrong. I support indepedence and self-rule for Chechnya and for the Muslims of former Yugoslavia too. I'm not so naive as to believe that Russians will ever consider Chechen Muslims "Russian," or that Chechen Muslims will ever consider themselves "Russian." That's a fairy tale. But I'm not so naive as to believe that Arabs ever have, or ever will, consider Jews "Arabs." And I'm not so naive as to believe that Jews ever considered themselves "Arabs."

Say what you will about me, at least I'm fair. I don't believe that Muslims living under Russian rule will ever have equality or even safety. It has been so since the time of Joseph Stalin. So I'm willing to grant Chechen Muslims an independent state in Europe. But I don't believe for a second that Jews living under Arab rule will ever have equality or even safedy. It has been so since the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

So the question I ask of you, One, is this: Do you support an independent Chechen (Muslim) state in Europe?

[IDFM203]

That is not true. Christians dont want to be associated with the word arab, and neither do jews. In every post on this forum I keep saying that arabs are not only muslims but jews and christians. what you keep on saying and what the Arab world is saying and doing is not always compatible.
Again if there was no distinction, then the Arabs would not have made any and separated the Jews and kicked them out!!!

The Jews from Arab countries don’t consider themselves Arab after the Arabs made that distinction for them.


Ali Abdallah Saleh (president of Yemen) said that if there any Jews that want to go back to Yemen they are more than welcome. first of all, saying you want them back after you kicked them out is meaningless.

Secondly, where did he say that??

Thirdly this is one nation amongst 22 others that did not say any such thing.

Lastly what this leader supposedly said is not by any means represented by the people of Yemen. That’s just one mans opinion that is all. His people would not welcome a return of the Jews that were kicked out. You got to be the most naive person in the world to believe otherwise.



But why would they? There are lots of Jews in morocco no one kicked them out from there. Or are they not arabs? I can tell you that I know a lot about the Jews of morocco. Besides the many Jewish friends that I have that are from morocco or their parents were from there, my ex girlfriend was born in rabat in morocco. The fact is that most Jews left morocco because of the constant mob attacks and pure anti Semitism that they faced. My ex’s father told me that he left after he walked out of his store in rabat and saw and huge angry crowd of morrocans ready to overtake and kill him. There are numerous stories of that.

So while yes in morocco unlike the other Arab countries, they did not get officially kicked out, they nonetheless were “forced” out through other more less official means.


You or the west wants to make the distinction between arabs pure muslims and not any other religion. no we make that distinction after the way we (the Jews from the Arab countries) were separated and treated much differently to where most were kicked out of.

[IDFM203]

Edit:

IDF changed my words and said that arab jews never existed in that area. Look up my other posts on this forum and see if I said arabs = muslims only. that’s a clear lie!!! When did I ever change your words.?????