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Gimper5

10-31-2003, 09:44 PM

anyone have the movie trailer of "Saving Jessica Lynch"?

MVSpartan117

11-01-2003, 11:57 PM

She's getting too much credit........ she didn't do a damn thing

No offence to anyone

Ratamacue

11-02-2003, 12:00 AM

Here we go again.

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11-02-2003, 12:07 AM

hasnt this been discussed already? :cantbeli:

96B

11-02-2003, 12:19 AM

Its supposed to come out sometime this month right?

mocking_loudly_died

11-02-2003, 12:20 AM

Woo hoo!

More nonsense.

:lol:

ST4

11-02-2003, 12:38 AM

By the way, "her book" comes out on November 11th.

I know that CBS is going to movie and is that what u are talking about or is it something else? I can't believe there is going to be a movie made out of the whole event. :|

I have so much beef against the whole event that I won't say it cause I don't want to start a whole discussion on it.

96B

11-02-2003, 12:41 AM

Virtually everything there is to discuss about the events with Jessica Lynch have already been covered in past threads, the only thing new would be to talk about the tv movie and the book once they are released. I definately am not getting the book, but I plan to watch the movie just to see the SOF...

MVSpartan117

11-02-2003, 12:47 AM

Yeah, how many times has this been discussed?

Seraphim

11-02-2003, 01:15 AM

How many times have we said "havent we discussed this already?"

Now lets have a discussion about discussing what we discussed already.

Mortimer

11-02-2003, 01:22 AM

whats the bet it'll only be screened in the US?

Seraphim

11-02-2003, 01:23 AM

They'll show it in Canada.

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 03:12 AM

She's getting too much credit........ she didn't do a damn thing

I wish the Special Ops guys that rescued her got more credit. Then again, they love being the silent professionals.

hood

11-02-2003, 04:40 AM

:) here ya go...

http://www.nbc.com//nbc/Saving_Jessica_Lynch/images/r1.jpg
http://www.nbc.com//nbc/Saving_Jessica_Lynch/images/r2.jpg
http://www.nbc.com//nbc/Saving_Jessica_Lynch/images/r3.jpg

This dramatic and inspiring NBC movie is based on the true story behind the ambush of the 507th Maintenance Company, and the dramatic rescue of Pfc. Jessica Lynch, an American prisoner of war in Iraq. With the help and official story rights of Mohammed Al Rehaief, the Iraqi citizen who risked his own life to aid Lynch, the film follows Lynch’s heroic rescue on April 1, 2003. Her story of heroism provided hope to the nation and the world and proved an example of triumph despite great odds and affliction.

mocking_loudly_died

11-02-2003, 05:08 AM

Man, that looks gay.

:lol:

You yanks and your patriotic movies. ;)

Splinter26

11-02-2003, 06:24 AM

She's getting too much credit........ she didn't do a damn thing

No offence to anyone

I agree she's getting way too much credit, but the way I look at it, it makes me laugh because it's all just media, we know it and they know that we know it too. I watch other news then just Fox News and CNN, and I heard that the "dramatic rescue" wasn't really as dramatic as they said it was. I'm still thinking how hard the resistance was there on that mission, if there was any at all. She should get a nice medal though for going over to that **** hole trying to make a change, and so should everyone else, the US, coalition, etc.

Splinter26

11-02-2003, 06:26 AM

PS

Was it her idea to write a book about her ordeal or did the media suggest?

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 10:12 AM

Yeah, the talks about how the rescue mission was staged is bull. One of the principles you utilize in combat is mass of force.

Remember Mogadishu? We have learned valuable lessons since then...Keep more than one CSAR team ready...that sort of stuff.

Argyll

11-02-2003, 11:18 AM

Uncle Sam

11-02-2003, 11:37 AM

Wow...Bluuurrrggghhhh huhhhh....Sorry, I just blew chunks.

Who's the chick playing Lynch??

96B

11-02-2003, 11:48 AM

Yeah right TF and you were there during both incidents ?

That was more than a CSAR force who went in for Lynch,how many CSAR units do you know that take "Operators" out of their parent units to perform something like this?,also the fact that the "door kickers" were a mix of NSW,and USSOC guys is also not something that is common.The NSW guys and the Army guys tend to work in different area's and roles,they also have different SOP's for take downs etc.

there are already CSAR designate units,who would already have been deployed in Iraq,there are also USMC (SOC) Units available,such as the same type of unit who picked up "Scott O' Grady" in Bosnia

On many accounts I agree with you, but how do we know that the operators were pulled from other tasks and not simply available for this mission? In wartime, there is no such thing as a fair fight and you want to dominate a scenario if at all possible. Maybe Command felt that it could possibly be a trick and a ploy to lure more Americans into an ambush and or even have the hospital rigged with explosives. It would sound suspicious to me if a POW was held in a local hospital with hardly any guards or resistance because it would be sure to invite a rescue attempt. Her military career is over, maybe she did sign a book deal but are any of you saying you would have turned down all that money especially given her small town background? Blame the media for all the hype and "heroic" stories about her but at the same time be happy that she is alive along with the other POWs who could easily have been killed.

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 12:04 PM

In wartime, there is no such thing as a fair fight and you want to dominate a scenario if at all possible. Maybe Command felt that it could possibly be a trick and a ploy to lure more Americans into an ambush and or even have the hospital rigged with explosives.

Exactly.

Yeah right TF and you were there during both incidents ?

That was more than a CSAR force who went in for Lynch,how many CSAR units do you know that take "Operators" out of their parent units to perform something like this?,

No, who here was?

I wasn't saying that a CSAR team carried out this mission, but it is now standard procedure to have more than one CSAR team ready and you can bet there were CSAR birds in the area in case the **** hit the fan that night. The rescue team was probably made of your typical Special Opeations task force.

Argyll

11-02-2003, 12:09 PM

The reason I said that was that they would've had to rehearse the whole mission,given the different aspects involved,spur of the moment rescue involving different Units?Very rare
Something of that magnitude would 've had to have had some kind of rehearsal,they would've had time to do some work together,before the Op.
Now this is a big Assumption here,where did these guys leave from,Kuwait?Turkey,Jordan?
Now had these guys been all from the same unit,then there's no doubt that they could very easily have been tasked mid mission,from a prior Op.
This was not done on a whim remember,the Doctor had been feeding CENTCOM intel for days,they had to build up some form of trust,they also had to check his info to see if it was kosher,my guess is that this mission had already been CTR by SOF,prior to insertion,just to make sure it was not a set up,and that Lynch would be exactly where he said she would be,That info had to be precise,so that these guys could go in and out in less time it takes to have a dump,and I think they achieved that very succesfully.
Staged......I doubt it ,planned methodically?.........for sure,the reason for the "staged "accusation I guess comes from the cameras that they had ,filming the whole episode,and the subsequent release of certain parts of the film.It's so easy to say that the media are wrong,with a lot of their TV reports,well if the shoe fits! It can work both ways as we have seen already.
I never thought that it was all staged with blanks and stuff,you simply do not have blanks in your mags during a war ,especially when in "Indian territory"!!.....carefully rehearsed more like,and that to me indicates good planning!!

Argyll

11-02-2003, 12:12 PM

Ah ok TF I was under the impression that you were implying that this was more a CSAR operation,when you mentioned having these units ready!

Splinter26

11-02-2003, 01:16 PM

I'll tell you how I think it went down. A snitch informed our guys about the wounded american at the hospital, and they dispatched Spec Ops guys and some others to check it out see if it's true. They stormed the abondoned building but met no resistance and fortunately found jessica. When they carried her out on a stretcher, it all got recorded on camera, tape turned over to the command and later to media. Then media, the dorks they are, said "hey look, this looks like a daring and dangerous mission, if we air it with a good story to back it up, we might get some positive feedback on it". I just think the whole event wasn't really the way media wanted it to be. My 2 cents.

ST4

11-02-2003, 03:51 PM

I remeber that a week or so after the rescue, there was an article sayings that the Iraqis at the hostipal said that the men (SEALs) who came into the building had blanks in their guns.

Come on, give me a break. What a bunch of bull. Yes, Special Ops are going to go to a mission during a time of war with their weapons filled with blank rounds.

If I could find the article again, I would post it and everyone here would have a great laugh. rofl

usa320

11-02-2003, 06:17 PM

A book i can see, but the movie is too much.

The presss seems to have a bad habbit of cashing in on other peoples misfortune, with or without their permission (remember that girl that got kidnapped...uhh...Smart...)

Macs.

11-02-2003, 08:14 PM

bishop1

11-02-2003, 08:40 PM

As far as i heard it, it was a mix of SEALs and Rangers and PJs, so obviously it was a BHD style scenerio with the Rangers providing security outside while the SEALs were the shooters inside and the PJs were there for medical attention if needed. You dont see me in uniform (yet) so its easy for me to be an armchair quarterback, but give me a ****ing break. There were 9 vehicles in her convoy, and the Fadayeen, had 2 pickup trucks, and look who won that skirmish. Wow, what heros Lynch and her crew were. Heroicly fighting them off until the very end, i doubt it. I havent seen too many movies about the guys the 6th Ranger Regiment rescued in WW 2, or about the Son Tay attempt from Nam. And ive seen and read Bravo Two Zero, they deserve 50 times the money and respect for what they went through than Lynch. But they probably dont care, because they know thats their JOB, thats what they get paid to do, war sucks, but you shouldnt get a medal cuz you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, like Lynch did. Frankly it makes me sick, the guys at Walter reed with their arms blown off, you dont see a movie about them, and theyll never have the use of their upper body, but they sure as **** are getting a medal too, the purple heart, theyve given more to their country then Lynch can dream of, and shes getting rich and famous. The recognition and everything else shes getting disgraces and shuns the real **** other POWs went through, who didnt get anything for. Just my thoughts.

11F5S

11-02-2003, 09:24 PM

,there are also USMC (SOC) Units available,such as the same type of unit who picked up "Scott O' Grady" in Bosnia

Argyll...unless I'm confusing the O'Grady rescue with another incident....those jarheads were from a mortar platoon that happened to be close by.

I hear the BBC is going to broadcast the rescue of PFC Lynch very soon....their version has a team of 17 year old SF troopers carring out the rescue :P

HumanShield

11-02-2003, 09:37 PM

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 09:52 PM

As far as i heard it, it was a mix of SEALs and Rangers and PJs, so obviously it was a BHD style scenerio with the Rangers providing security outside while the SEALs were the shooters inside and the PJs were there for medical attention if needed. You dont see me in uniform (yet) so its easy for me to be an armchair quarterback, but give me a f*** break. There were 9 vehicles in her convoy, and the Fadayeen, had 2 pickup trucks, and look who won that skirmish. Wow, what heros Lynch and her crew were. Heroicly fighting them off until the very end, i doubt it. I havent seen too many movies about the guys the 6th Ranger Regiment rescued in WW 2, or about the Son Tay attempt from Nam. And ive seen and read Bravo Two Zero, they deserve 50 times the money and respect for what they went through than Lynch. But they probably dont care, because they know thats their JOB, thats what they get paid to do, war sucks, but you shouldnt get a medal cuz you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, like Lynch did. Frankly it makes me sick, the guys at Walter reed with their arms blown off, you dont see a movie about them, and theyll never have the use of their upper body, but they sure as f*** are getting a medal too, the purple heart, theyve given more to their country then Lynch can dream of, and shes getting rich and famous. The recognition and everything else shes getting disgraces and shuns the real **** other POWs went through, who didnt get anything for. Just my thoughts.

The task force also probably included 1st SFOD-D teams, SF teams, and I know there were 160th birds because they even show them on the video.

Ratamacue

11-02-2003, 09:55 PM

11F5S - I think you are. I read the memoir by Scott O'Grady, and he said that they were MEU(SOC) Marines that rescued him by helo.

Bishop/TF160 - the guys who did the diversionary attack were Force Recon.

James

11-02-2003, 11:10 PM

,there are also USMC (SOC) Units available,such as the same type of unit who picked up "Scott O' Grady" in Bosnia

Argyll...unless I'm confusing the O'Grady rescue with another incident....those jarheads were from a mortar platoon that happened to be close by.

One of the many missions marines train for prior to deploying with a MEU(SOC) is Tactical Recovery of Aircraft/Personell. In this case, the 81mm mortar platoon from the BLT was designated as the TRAP platoon. They do get special training for that mission prior to deployment. It is part of the MEU work up.

ArmedPacifist

11-03-2003, 12:00 AM

I don't see what you guys are getting so worked up about, it's just a TV movie for christ sake.

Splinter26

11-03-2003, 06:40 AM

As far as i heard it, it was a mix of SEALs and Rangers and PJs, so obviously it was a BHD style scenerio with the Rangers providing security outside while the SEALs were the shooters inside and the PJs were there for medical attention if needed. You dont see me in uniform (yet) so its easy for me to be an armchair quarterback, but give me a f*** break. There were 9 vehicles in her convoy, and the Fadayeen, had 2 pickup trucks, and look who won that skirmish. Wow, what heros Lynch and her crew were. Heroicly fighting them off until the very end, i doubt it. I havent seen too many movies about the guys the 6th Ranger Regiment rescued in WW 2, or about the Son Tay attempt from Nam. And ive seen and read Bravo Two Zero, they deserve 50 times the money and respect for what they went through than Lynch. But they probably dont care, because they know thats their JOB, thats what they get paid to do, war sucks, but you shouldnt get a medal cuz you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, like Lynch did. Frankly it makes me sick, the guys at Walter reed with their arms blown off, you dont see a movie about them, and theyll never have the use of their upper body, but they sure as f*** are getting a medal too, the purple heart, theyve given more to their country then Lynch can dream of, and shes getting rich and famous. The recognition and everything else shes getting disgraces and shuns the real **** other POWs went through, who didnt get anything for. Just my thoughts.

Typical propaganda dude.

marktigger

11-03-2003, 10:54 AM

CSAR seams to be very popular at the minite even the RAF is looking at finally forming formal CSAR Teams after the yanks got pissed of at them sponging CSAR assets of them.
RAF regt are very keen to take the role. Personally I think it should be a Royal Navy/Royal Marines task RN are best chopper pilots in the UK armed forces and their SAR crews are better trained than the RAF equivilent. Add in a few booties as a protection team and you have a very potent CSAR team.

JMooch

11-05-2003, 01:00 PM

"That was more than a CSAR force who went in for Lynch"

WRONG!

"No, who here was?"

I was and it's hysterical reading about all the speculation here.
Have fun with all the guessing.
By the way, don't pay any attention to what comes from the Iraqi lawyer's mouth and that's all I'll say about it.
Suffice it to say that it was a short fuzed op and it went off without a hitch.
S/F
Mooch

Argyll

11-05-2003, 01:20 PM

And like we're supposed to believe you?
No disrespect here if you're in the job,but anybody can say they were there without offering any proof......sorry!
A few comments is not much proof of anything

Yeol

11-05-2003, 09:02 PM

it is not a joke... :lol:

WAR SPIN: THE TRUTH ABOUT JESSICA

Some stories are just too good to be true. The BBC's Correspondent program
examines the United States' propaganda machine during the Iraq war and
questions its version of the daring rescue of Private Jessica Lynch who lay
trapped behind enemy lines. THE PASSIONATE EYE, hosted by Michaëlle Jean,
features the North American television première of the documentary War Spin:
The Truth About Jessica, Sunday, May 25 at 10 p.m. ET (10 p.m. PT) on CBC
Newsworld.

Private Jessica Lynch became an icon of the war, and the story of her
capture by the Iraqis and her rescue by US Special Forces became one of the
great patriotic moments of the conflict. But her story is one of the most
stunning pieces of news management ever conceived.

BBC reporter John Kampfner exposes inconsistencies in the official version
of the rescue in Iraq of Private Lynch. War Spin: The Truth About Jessica
challenges the Pentagon's version of a story that boosted American morale
during a sticky point in the Iraq War as part of its investigation into
allied propaganda.

Private Lynch, a 19-year-old clerk from Palestine, West Virginia, was
captured when her company took a wrong turn just outside Nasiriya and was
ambushed. Nine of her comrades were killed and Lynch was taken to the local
hospital, which at the time was swarming with Iraqi soldiers. Eight days
later, US Special Forces stormed the hospital, capturing the dramatic
Hollywood-style rescue on a night vision camera. But doctors interviewed by
Kampfner claim Iraqi forces had left the hospital well before this happened.

Reports claimed that she had stab and bullet wounds and that she had been
slapped about on her hospital bed and interrogated. But Iraqi doctors in
Nasiriya say they provided the best treatment they could for the soldier in
the midst of war. "I examined her, I saw she had a broken arm, a broken
thigh and a dislocated ankle," said Dr. Harith a-Houssona, who looked after
her. "There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab
wound - only road traffic accident. They want to distort the picture. I
don't know why they think there is some benefit in saying she has a bullet
injury."

Witnesses told the filmmakers that the special forces knew that the Iraqi
military had fled a day before they swooped on the hospital. The aim was to
capture images that would swing public opinion behind the war here and in
the US and encourage Iraqis to believe Saddam's grip had loosened before it
actually had.

Kampfner also traces the roots of the controversial tactic of embedding
cameras and reporters with military units to the Hollywood blockbusters
Pearl Harbour and Black Hawk Down.

http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunday/feature_250503.html

Uncle Sam

11-05-2003, 10:54 PM

:cantbeli:

Fargin

11-05-2003, 11:07 PM

What happened to waiting 5-10 years before milking a military conflict and creating bad movies about it?

[AFSOC]

11-05-2003, 11:55 PM

She's getting too much credit........ she didn't do a damn thing

No offence to anyone

She did more then you could ever do there buddy. Stop critisizing someone who went over there when you did absolutely nothing.

mocking_loudly_died

11-06-2003, 12:17 AM

But it's easy and makes me feel like a real man! :bash:

:lol:

JMooch

11-06-2003, 06:22 AM

"And like we're supposed to believe you?
No disrespect here if you're in the job,but anybody can say they were there without offering any proof......sorry!
A few comments is not much proof of anything"

Like I said before, believe what you want. If you served at all you should know about operational security (OPSEC) and non-disclosure for past and current operations.
I will say that I was with Regimental Combat Team-2, Task Force Tarawa in Iraq (including Nasiriyah).

I know that this is what a poser would say, but I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone else (especially on a MilitaryPhotos Message Board!).

Even if I wanted to disclose any other info about the op, I couldn't based on OPSEC for three things:
1) The nature of the op.
2) The units invovled.
3) The manner in which the intelligence was collected.

Remember this, there are three truths here,
1) the DoD's version
2) the civilian press' version
3) and the no-buls**t truth, which falls in between number 1 and 2.

Take care,
S/F
Mooch

PS "WAR SPIN: THE TRUTH ABOUT JESSICA" is the biggest BS article out of all the articles written about the Lynch rescue. It ranks right up there with the one that said she killed dozens of Iraqi's during the ambush of the 507th.

Yeol

11-06-2003, 08:43 AM

Remember this, there are three truths here,
1) the DoD's version
2) the civilian press' version
3) and the no-buls**t truth, which falls in between number 1 and 2.

I agree with you... To have made some operations, I know that very often the truth of the media is not same only that of the ground. The US special forces form parts of best in the world and I would be surprised that all the truth is in this article...

In all thank you for your comment.

JMooch

11-06-2003, 09:48 AM

"What Special Forces saved Jessica ?

Was it the SEALs?

1st SFOD?"

No comment.

Argyll

11-06-2003, 12:12 PM

I'm tending to believe they were definately American!! rofl

Mooch........I hear ya 10 x 10, thanks!!

usa320

11-06-2003, 03:34 PM

I believe it was a Joint task force of Marine Force Recon and USAF Special Forces.

[AFSOC]

11-06-2003, 06:14 PM