View Full Version : General Sir Mike Jackson, Chief of the General Staff,
EsoognomEhT
02-09-2005, 07:47 PM
Popped into my mess tonight, and dropped his pint
:lol:
Caraway
02-09-2005, 08:04 PM
Popped into my mess tonight, and dropped his pint
:lol: Sounds like a n00b to me then. p-)
Lokos
02-09-2005, 11:31 PM
Isn't Mike Jackson the fellow who refused to engage the Russians in Kosovo over that airport incident? Even when ordered to do so by The Great Asshole Himself?
If you happen to see him again, give him a Serbian soldier's thanks.
Regards,
Lokos
ROY H
02-10-2005, 12:32 AM
http://www.mod.uk/aboutus/staff/cgs.htm
Midav
02-10-2005, 02:45 AM
Isn't Mike Jackson the fellow who refused to engage the Russians in Kosovo over that airport incident? Even when ordered to do so by The Great Asshole Himself?
If you happen to see him again, give him a Serbian soldier's thanks.
Regards,
Lokos
Unless I am mistaken, he was told to take the airport before the Russians got there, and not engage them.
Lokos
02-10-2005, 03:43 AM
All I remember is his now-famous reply to the order:
'I'm not starting WW3 for you!'
You might be right, though.
Lokos
Stolly
02-10-2005, 04:19 AM
Popped into my mess tonight, and dropped his pint
:lol:
This after some wag greased it ?
Nizark
02-10-2005, 05:48 AM
Isn't Mike Jackson the fellow who refused to engage the Russians in Kosovo over that airport incident? Even when ordered to do so by The Great Asshole Himself?
If you happen to see him again, give him a Serbian soldier's thanks.
Regards,
Lokos
So general wesley clark is the great asshole u r talking about?
I beleif he was told by the Pentagon to secure the airfield by all means (even if this involved engaging the Russians) which he didn't, instead he used his head and blocked the runway preventing the Russians from being resupplied forcing them to pull out.
Lokos
02-10-2005, 09:23 AM
Nizark:
Of course. I'd call him worse things, but I don't want to violate any forum rules.
Lokos
Stolly
02-10-2005, 09:29 AM
Nizark:
Of course. I'd call him worse things, but I don't want to violate any forum rules.
Lokos
Don't want to risk you getting banned, but i wonder if you could tell us why you respect the Brit and not the US general, when there were on the same side. Not heard the Serb side of this before.
Roger Rabbit
02-10-2005, 10:14 AM
I hope you bought him another one.
General Jackson nice chap, he was my old CO.
Roger Rabbit
02-10-2005, 02:16 PM
General Jackson nice chap, he was my old CO.
I assumed you were in the Parachute Regiment from 1955/57 from the website in your profile. General Sir Mike Jackson was CO of 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment from 1984-1986.
Mailman
02-11-2005, 09:48 AM
He seems to me to be a real soldiers soldier. The kind of guy you wouldnt have any problems doing anything for.
Mailman
kayaker
02-11-2005, 10:33 AM
General Jackson nice chap, he was my old CO.
I assumed you were in the Parachute Regiment from 1955/57 from the website in your profile. General Sir Mike Jackson was CO of 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment from 1984-1986.
GRL Jackson was also CO of the regiment. Dont know from when to when but is roger rabbit giving us clues that he has been to better things....?
Lt Colonel Jackson was the CO of 1 Para until mid 1956, I have just been going through some papers where he wrote to a member of the a fallen soldier family. Details can be provided.
Pongo
02-11-2005, 03:44 PM
http://www.mod.uk/aboutus/staff/cgs.htm
General Sir Mike Jackson was born in 1944, and was educated at Stamford School, Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and Birmingham University. Commissioned from Sandhurst into the Intelligence Corps in December 1963
Para. That must be a different Lt Col Jackson.
M1A2U2
02-11-2005, 04:40 PM
Clarke ordered Apaches to attack the Russian armor in the base
Midav
02-11-2005, 04:50 PM
Clarke ordered Apaches to attack the Russian armor in the base
If that is 100% true then the man should have been relieved of duty.
As it stands, I don't know the whole story. Would someone post from a reliable source plz?
I beleif Gen Jackson also gave the apaches a order to block the runway instead and they seem to have decided to obey the Nato commander instead of the US commander.
M1A2U2
02-11-2005, 05:36 PM
If that is 100% true then the man should have been relieved of duty.
As it stands, I don't know the whole story. Would someone post from a reliable source plz?
He was relieved of duty later on...I think Bush got mad at him and he resigned...He then ran for president under the Democratic platform
Midav
02-11-2005, 05:51 PM
Bush wasn't president until later on.
I'm not defending Clark. If he indeed told Jackson to fire on the Russians he should have been relieved of command on the spot.
It would have made no sense at all, as the Russians helped in that scenario and nothing would have been gained in a conflict with them.
Just a shame about Kosovo. IMO it should have stayed with the Serbians.
I have just re checked the initials of the General Jackson that I knew and they are D.W..........I hope this helps clear this up.
Pongo
02-11-2005, 06:54 PM
Para. No probs mate.
For those interested in the Kosovo/Pristina affair here are some links.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0,2763,208123,00.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/elkins17.html
Robertson's plum job in a warring Nato
As Blair's man is installed, Richard Norton-Taylor details the way the alliance generals have been fighting
Interactive guides, useful links, latest news and analysis on Kosovo
Tuesday August 3, 1999
The Guardian
No sooner are we told by Britain's top generals that the Russians played a crucial role in ending the west's war against Yugoslavia than we learn that if Nato's supreme commander, the American General Wesley Clark, had had his way, British paratroopers would have stormed Pristina airport threatening to unleash the most frightening crisis with Moscow since the end of the cold war.
"I'm not going to start the third world war for you," General Sir Mike Jackson, commander of the international K-For peacekeeping force, is reported to have told Gen Clark when he refused to accept an order to send assault troops to prevent Russian troops from taking over the airfield of Kosovo's provincial capital.
Hyperbole, perhaps. But, by all accounts, Jackson was deadly serious. Clark, as he himself observed, was frustrated after fighting a war with his hands tied behind his back, and was apparently willing to risk everything for the sake of amour-propre .
Nato's increasingly embarrassing, not to say ineffective, air assault on Yugoslavia, had ended. It was over, not least as General Sir Charles Guthrie, chief of the defence staff, acknowledged in an interview with the Guardian, thanks to the intervention of Moscow - its refusal to come to the aid of Belgrade. The point was emphatically underlined by Jackson in a further interview over the weekend with the Sunday Telegraph.
"The event of June 3 [when Moscow urged Milosevic to surrender] was the single event that appeared to me to have the greatest significance in ending the war," said Jackson. Asked about the bombing campaign, he added pointedly: "I wasn't responsible for the air campaign, you're talking to the wrong person."
Having helped Nato out of its predicament, Moscow was embroiled in arguments with Washington about the status of Russian troops in the K-For operation. For reasons to do with efficiency as much as power politics, the west insisted the Russian contingent must be "Nato-led". With or without Yeltsin's say-so, on June 12 a group of some 200 Russian troops drove out of Bosnia - where they were serving with the Nato-led S-For stabilisation force - and in full view of the world's television cameras made for Pristina airport where Jackson had planned to set up his K-For headquarters guarded by British paratroopers.
The Russians had made a political point, not a military one. It was apparently too much for Clark. According to the US magazine, Newsweek, General Clark ordered an airborne assault on the airfield by British and French paratroopers. General Jackson refused. Clark then asked Admiral James Ellis, the American commander of Nato's southern command, to order helicopters to occupy the airport to prevent Russian Ilyushin troop carriers from sending in reinforcements. Ellis replied that the British General Jackson would oppose such a move. In the end the Ilyushins were stopped when Washington persuaded Hungary, a new Nato member, to refuse to allow the Russian aircraft to fly over its territory.
M1A2U2
02-12-2005, 12:16 AM
Bush wasn't president until later on.
I'm not defending Clark. If he indeed told Jackson to fire on the Russians he should have been relieved of command on the spot.
It would have made no sense at all, as the Russians helped in that scenario and nothing would have been gained in a conflict with them.
Just a shame about Kosovo. IMO it should have stayed with the Serbians.
I know he was but he left duty when Bush was pres
The version I heard was that the Russians were miffed that after using their influence to get the Serbs to sign up to the NATO deal they assumed they would be a full partner on the ground in Kosovo so they could help out their serb allies and prevent what has basically happened now... ie ethnic cleansing of serbs from Kosovo.
Haivng being pretty much told they weren't going to have any role in Kosovo the Russians sent in some of their airborne units from Bosnia to capture Pristina airport before the NATO forces got there.
Wesley clark ordered Jackson to take the airport from the Russians and Jackson said FU. The Russians wanted to reinforce the units in Pristina with more troops and also supply the existing troops there but the New NATO members of Hungary and I believe Poland from memory took great delight in telling the Russians that any Il-76s in their airspace might get shot down.
From what I have heard the British troops noticed that the Russians were short of supplies and Jackson told his troops to at least feed the Russians. I believe he said something to the effect that he needs to be able to work with these troops and there is nothing to be gained be treating them like the enemy.
Sounds like a sensible and practical guy to have in your armed forces.
Midav
02-13-2005, 04:12 AM
Bush wasn't president until later on.
I'm not defending Clark. If he indeed told Jackson to fire on the Russians he should have been relieved of command on the spot.
It would have made no sense at all, as the Russians helped in that scenario and nothing would have been gained in a conflict with them.
Just a shame about Kosovo. IMO it should have stayed with the Serbians.
I know he was but he left duty when Bush was pres
He was no longer SACEUR as of May 2000. 8 months before Bush got into office.
Roger Rabbit
02-13-2005, 12:50 PM
General Jackson nice chap, he was my old CO.
I assumed you were in the Parachute Regiment from 1955/57 from the website in your profile. General Sir Mike Jackson was CO of 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment from 1984-1986.
GRL Jackson was also CO of the regiment. Dont know from when to when but is roger rabbit giving us clues that he has been to better things....?
Mix up of names, apologies if anyone took offense to my post. I was refering to this Jackson. http://www.mod.uk/aboutus/staff/cgs.htm
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