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LORD_BUNGLA

11-01-2003, 11:01 PM

Just wondering what helicopters the russian SF use during insertions. Thanx

Vance

11-01-2003, 11:11 PM

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/assets/es/va/es_va_toys_1_e.jpg

EvanL

11-01-2003, 11:19 PM

I heard itr was more like this one.
Wow look at the excellent Russian technology.
http://www.ourgrandchild.com/72DPI/Helicopter.JPG

Vance

11-01-2003, 11:22 PM

rofl

96B

11-02-2003, 01:45 AM

No you guys are totally mislead, those are helicopters for the conventional forces, this is the true SOF helo...

http://ozbricks.com/benw/lego/rotor/copter.jpg

koster

11-02-2003, 02:14 AM

They use Mi-8's

Jack Mehoff

11-02-2003, 02:53 AM

http://www.exploratorium.edu/exploring/paper/images/gravity.gif

Skaman

11-02-2003, 04:06 AM

Just wondering what helicopters the russian SF use during insertions. Thanx

haha, poor guy, no one will give him a straight answer!

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 04:15 AM

Russian helicopters and pilots were implemented in Operation Enduring Freedom for the U.S. Special Forces teams and British SAS.

All I know is that members of the 5th Special Forces Group borrowed MI-8 choppers for daylight insertions to be low-profile.

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11-02-2003, 06:23 AM

OK theres probably a few copters they used...dont qoute me on this..awe **** i forgot sorry dude

Vance

11-02-2003, 11:16 AM

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 11:27 AM

• Current troop strength of the Northern Alliance is estimated at from 10,000 to 12,000 men. The are equipped with Russian-made small arms and a limited number of older Russian-made tanks, fighter jets and attack helicopters.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa092801a.htm

It is definitely possible that we borrowed Northern Alliance equipment.

Russian aid...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/02/28/wgeorg28.xml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wusa116.xml

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/25/gen.attack.on.terror/

Dennis G

11-02-2003, 12:47 PM

Ka-60 Kasatka or Killer Whale

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ka_60/images/Ka60_1.jpg

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ka_60/images/Ka60_4.jpg

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ka_60/images/Ka60_6.jpg

http://avia.russian.ee/vertigo/foto/ka-60.jpg

Ka-60 "Kasatka" is intended for carrying landing troops, delivery of weapons and ammunition to the battlefield area, evacuation of casualties, protection and patrol of economic zones when based on the ships, search and rescue operations, training of the crews.

Ka-60 helicopter has single-rotor scheme with five-blade rotor of 13.5-m diameter. The polymeric composite blade is attached to the hub by a torsion bar. The airframe features perfect aerodynamic outlines, large door openings on both fuselage sides, retractable three-leg energy-absorbing landing gear and multi-blade (11 blades) tail rotor in the tail ring. The seats of the crew and the troopers are energy attenuating seats. The pilot-in-command is on the right-hand seat. The power plant of the helicopter is comprised of new-generation modular-design engines developed by Rybinsk Motor Design Bureau, headed by Mr. A. Novikov, Designer General.

Particular attention is paid to the increased combat survivability means of the helicopter. All principal systems and units of Ka-60 are duplicated and separated. The rotor blades with several holes from the automatic gun hits remain operable. The control system links and transmission shafts sustain the hits of 12.7-mm bullets. The composite polymeric materials that make about 60% of the helicopter structural weight also add to the increased survivability of the helicopter being more resistant to the combat damages. The foam polyurethane that filled the tanks prevents the danger of the fuel explosion. Higher survivability of the helicopter in the battlefield is also achieved by lower optical, IR and radar signatures.

The on-board avionics suite depends on the application version of the helicopter. The basic suite for all versions is the one for transport assault helicopter. This suite ensures operational missions in daytime and night, in VFR and IFR conditions.

Some other photos and info---->http://ice.prohosting.com/wmnet/helicopters/ka60kasatka/onepage.htm

yahoo search for ka-60------>http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Ka-60+Kasatka&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&n=20&fl=0&x=wrt

Mil Mi-28A/N Havoc

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Ka_50/images/big/zarsml.jpg

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Mi_28/images/big/mi28_sevastopol.jpg

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/Mi_28/images/big/mi-28.jpg

koster

11-02-2003, 06:07 PM

Look few posts above, they use MI-8's, no KA-60's no MI-28's, just MI-8's and some other modifications of it.

Marxist203

11-02-2003, 07:55 PM

Oh c'mon guys...Hinds were top knotch until the IGLA got onto the scene, and we all saw that video.

By the way, Im brand new to the forum. But Ive been reading the posts for about a year or so now, I know whats going on here.

Russian Texan

11-02-2003, 09:14 PM

It depends on the mission:

Small group of troops plus heavy fire support then its Mi24
http://www.flying.no/images/Mi_24_us_version.jpg

Large group of toops plus light fire support then its Mi8/17
http://www.flying.no/images/mi-8.jpg

If they want to insert a light tank, couple of BTRs, BMPs, BMDs, hundred or so troops and such then its Mi26

http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/image/foto/19-12-2002-9-14-mi-26.jpg

admar2

11-02-2003, 11:01 PM

damn the Mi-26 is a big bird!

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 11:05 PM

http://www.flying.no/images/mi-8.jpg

I saw something on the History Channel covering training by the U.S. Army. Somewhere down south, I want to say Ft. Polk but I could be wrong.

Well anyways, they had American pilots flying old MI-8's for M.I.L.E.S. training, pretty neat.

Russian Texan

11-02-2003, 11:41 PM

US army actually has several authenic pieces of soviet equipment Mi 24, MI 8, and some weird biplane.

* The US Army first got their hands on a Hind-D gunship in the mid-1980s, before the fall of the USSR, by means that still remain secret. An Army helicopter pilot, Chief Warrant Officer Jeff Stayton, was assigned to figure out how to fly the thing, assisted only by a translation of the instruction manual.

Stayton was impressed by the size of the beast, as it was three times bigger than a HueyCobra, and also by its heavy cockpit armor. The armor glass was so thick that it was almost as tough as armor plate, and the cockpit view was excellent. Experience with the machine showed that it was a very good example of Soviet design philosophy, being "tractor tough", much more reliable and easy to maintain under field conditions than any American helicopter.

Stayton was also impressed by the machine's idiosyncracies. One was that the helicopter's APU has a tendency to blast out a gush of flame when it's fired up, which was startling but harmless. Another eccentricity was that the big wings on the Hind prevented it from hovering, at least for any length of time, because they block the rotor downdraft. Apparently, the cut-down wings on variants such as the Mi-24PS are to permit a hover capability.

Stayton quickly learned to regard the Hind as a hybrid of a helicopter and a fixed-wing aircraft. It was very fast but not maneuverable, and in fact in a banking turn the dropped wing lost lift, which tended in turn to flip the helicopter over onto its back. Stayton had fixed-wing flight experience and was able to compensate the first time he ran into this difficulty by putting the nose down to build up speed, but this maneuver would not be possible in low-level "nap of earth" operations.

Stayton regards the Hind's unusual flying characteristics as a design tradeoff, not a design flaw. There are now more Hinds in US Army service, operating as aggressor training machines, and Army pilots praise it. They say it is quiet and gives a very smooth ride, "like an old '62 Cadillac." Stayton feels that it is more fun to fly than any other helicopter he's ever got his hands on.

* Describing Soviet weapons is always tricky. The Soviets were big on secrecy and misinformation, sometimes to the point of lunacy, making for a trail both faint and muddy. The new Russia is much more outgoing, if sometimes muddled, but reliable information is slowly becoming available.

For example, older Western sources on the Hind give the "Mi-24B" as the initial operational "Hind-A" variant, with the early prototypes assigned the "Mi-24A" designation and becoming the "Hind-B". It now seems the Mi-24A was the Hind-A and that the prototypes were only known as "V-24s". The "Mi-24B" was actually an interim type leading up to the Mi-24D that did not reach production.

GazB

11-03-2003, 05:55 AM

It seems the first few replies to this topic were meant for the humour forum.

The Ka-60 will be the future light transport helo and a variant will be used as a light recon helo, but currently only the Mi-8 and upgraded Mi-17 are used for insertions.
The Hind was originally intended for this role but it was found that it was better used as a gunship rather than a troop ship.
The Mi-26 in not used by Spec Ops... it is too big.

The Ka-52 has been accepted for Spec Ops use, while the Mi-28N will replace the Hind.

Russian Spec ops also use light gliders, HALO, Microlights and many other methods of insertion too.

LORD_BUNGLA

11-04-2003, 03:31 AM

thanx for the info guys

obd

11-04-2003, 12:49 PM

yeah, and they were damn funny too. But I dont think Spetsnaz has got the money for leggos. I was thinking more along the lines of hiring children to draw pictures of helocpters and then posting them on official webistes. you know children, they can come up with awesome designs that would scare the crap out of the chinese revrese engineering department.

GazB

11-07-2003, 03:17 AM

Just heard of a report that up to 12 Ka-52s will be delivered to the Russian military between Dec 2003 and jan 2004. As previous reports stated that the Mi-28N had won the Russian army competition and that the Ka-52 would be used by Spec Ops forces this becomes relevant to this thread.

16 OBr SpN

11-17-2003, 05:46 PM

Usually Mi-8's.
Couple of times, Mi-24's.

Nizark

12-01-2003, 11:37 PM

the Russian Spec Ops Helo group, code named Shhhhhhhhush, WITH UNIFORMS!!!

http://www.windycreek.com/kevin/helicopter.gif

http://www.tesscar-aluminum-craft.com/images/helicopter.jpg

http://www.homestead.com/princesspicklehead/files/helicopter.jpg

http://www.hawaiianshirtsonline.com/images/helicopter.jpg

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

GazB

12-02-2003, 03:02 AM

This is the "Military History and Tactics" part of the forum, I suggest you try the "Off topic and Humour" part for posting such things. (I'd also suggest you get some funny material too).

Pojo

12-14-2003, 10:07 AM

Who said anything about it being humor? Seriously they used to get next to no fly time at all, with no fuel and no pay. They flew their toys more often...

16 OBr SpN

12-15-2003, 03:09 AM

Who said anything about it being humor? Seriously they used to get next to no fly time at all, with no fuel and no pay. They flew their toys more often...

Oh yeah? And how do YOU know that? :roll: :lol:

Kingpin

12-15-2003, 04:20 AM

Who said anything about it being humor? Seriously they used to get next to no fly time at all, with no fuel and no pay. They flew their toys more often...

One more idiot. One more point.

GazB

12-16-2003, 06:48 AM

"Who said anything about it being humor?"

Hey, I never said that was humour. Just that it was inaccurate enough to not belong here. I saw plenty of footage on TV of Hinds firing their 50 cal gatlings and unguided and guided rockets to know they flew and fly.

Kingpin

12-16-2003, 07:38 AM

Who said anything about it being humor? Seriously they used to get next to no fly time at all, with no fuel and no pay. They flew their toys more often...

Yeah, yeah. That's just RC toys :)
mms://video.rfn.ru/rtr-vesti/2637.asf

http://rusweapon.far.ru/img/hell/support/mil/24/27.jpg

http://rusweapon.far.ru/img/hell/support/mil/24/26.jpg

http://rusweapon.far.ru/img/hell/support/mil/24/25s.jpg

http://rusweapon.far.ru/img/hell/support/mil/24/16.jpg

http://rusweapon.far.ru/img/hell/support/mil/24/2.jpg

http://rusweapon.far.ru/img/hell/support/mil/24/19.jpg

http://rusweapon.far.ru/img/hell/transport/mil/26/14.jpg

http://rusweapon.far.ru/img/hell/transport/mil/26/3.jpg

Pojo

12-16-2003, 08:01 PM

"Who said anything about it being humor? Seriously they used to get next to no fly time at all, with no fuel and no pay. They flew their toys more often..."

I change my orignal post to this to help resolve this..

Who said anything about it being humor? Seriously they used to get next to no fly time at all, with no fuel and no pay. They flew their toys more often...

:backhand:

Russian Texan

12-17-2003, 12:05 AM

When was that?

wreck

12-17-2003, 07:29 AM

GazB

12-18-2003, 05:59 AM

I change my orignal post to this to help resolve this..

Who said anything about it being humor? Seriously they used to get next to no fly time at all, with no fuel and no pay. They flew their toys more often...

Still not funny.

Do you have any evidence that their helos are all grounded or are you just shooting from the lip?

(Considering 16 OBr SpN seems to disagree I think perhaps you are wrong).

Kingpin

12-18-2003, 06:19 AM

I change my orignal post to this to help resolve this..
Who said anything about it being humor? Seriously they used to get next to no fly time at all, with no fuel and no pay. They flew their toys more often...

Still not funny.
Do you have any evidence that their helos are all grounded or are you just shooting from the lip?
(Considering 16 OBr SpN seems to disagree I think perhaps you are wrong).

Don't listen dorks. Just go to news site such as www.vesti.ru (2nd TV channel here) and see a lot of helos in action. For example: mms://video.rfn.ru/rtr-vesti/27484.asf

Pojo

12-18-2003, 06:46 PM

I am pretty damn sure they were mostly grounded for a long time around (this part is a guess its been a while) 92-96 I know this from my sister in law that married to a russian army helo pilot. The fuel crunch was so bad and so little funding was givent that it was simply not practical to burn the little fuel they did have on training. So they spend much time on leave or in class rooms.

I would hope that by now its all sorted out. Putin seems to be a strong supporter for a strong military so they should be getting back up to snuff soon. Just a matter of getting some more steady funding at this point.

duck

12-18-2003, 08:22 PM

Pojo, in Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf, who would Putin be?