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Uncle Chô

11-02-2003, 03:06 AM

US Chopper Downed in Iraq, at Least 20 Casualties
Sun November 2, 2003 02:39 AM ET

BAGHDAD (*******) - A U.S. CH-47 Chinook helicopter flying toward Baghdad airport was shot down on Sunday and there were at least 20 casualties, the U.S. Army said.

A military spokesman said the downed helicopter had been carrying 32 to 35 people. He said rescue teams were in the area where the helicopter came down.

The helicopter was one of two Chinooks heading toward Baghdad airport carrying troops back from a rest and recreation trip.

The spokesman said he had no information on where the helicopter was downed.

But locals in the flashpoint town of Falluja, 50 km (32 miles) west of Baghdad, said a U.S. helicopter had come down nearby.

© ******* 2003. All Rights Reserved.

:( :(

Ratamacue

11-02-2003, 03:09 AM

I sincerely hope those 20 casualties aren't KIA's.

Eddie

11-02-2003, 03:12 AM

According to BBC The US Army says there are at least 20 casualties, but it is unclear whether this refers to dead or wounded.

:( :(

Mortimer

11-02-2003, 03:15 AM

iraqometer ...

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NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 03:19 AM

Hmmm...are they certain these are CH-47s?

The reports on Chinooks are tricky sometimes. Like the crash in the Philippines was reported by the media as a CH-47 at first. I was like, what the hell is a CH-47 doing there. Of course, it turned out to be an MH-47 which made more sense.

Uncle Chô

11-02-2003, 03:33 AM

Hmmm...are they certain these are CH-47s?.
:roll:

This was a non combat ferrying flight

It makes sense it is a CH-47 Chinook

But who cares if this a CH-47, MH-47 or even a CH-46E ?? There are dozen of casualties (not clear at that time if "wounded" or "deads") think first to the families and this is a sad news. :(

jdbjdb

11-02-2003, 03:35 AM

I'm so bummed out :(

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 03:38 AM

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/11/02/sprj.irq.int.main/story.chinook.file.jpg

Yes, this is bad news and it's bad for the families.

I'm guessing it had to have been a nice rotor-blade shot or the pilots were wounded and were unable to keep the bird up...either way that's a big bird to bring down. Is this the first Chinook incident in Iraq?

Mortimer

11-02-2003, 03:55 AM

one KIA

jdbjdb

11-02-2003, 04:07 AM

I think we lost one or two CH-47 at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom.[/quote]

Clay

11-02-2003, 04:22 AM

Can we say vietnam 2!!!!

SFontaine

11-02-2003, 04:23 AM

In Vietnam **** like this happened several times a day.
Seriously people these days are way too soft. 1 or 2 people die every day or two and people are calling it Vietnam 2.

Uncle Chô

11-02-2003, 05:15 AM

Just some figures to remember : The Vietnam war (or conflict, or police action whatever you called it...) : over 55 000 American soldiers have been killed in about 10 years.

Iraq is not a quick "leisure trip" as it was early stated by some in Washington but this is not Vietnam.

This Chinook crash is another step in this guerilla war. It shows coalition forces that danger is everywhere and there is no more safe place, neither inside an M-1 (see what happened a few days ago) nor flying over Baghdad.

ßå$tÄ®Ð¢HÏ¿ð

11-02-2003, 05:18 AM

Well im pretty sure them boys on the ground will have differing opinions. Its still very dangerous and goes to show theres alot of work to be done...what makes this even sadder these people were on the flight back from and R&R trip :(

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13 soldiers confirmed dead 20 wounded...
rest in piece boys :(

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Supposidly the chinook was shot down with a SAM (surface to air missle)...

Frost

11-02-2003, 06:28 AM

****ing bastards! (not all iraqies, just the remains of the old regime)

My thoughts go out to the family of the soldiers involved :(

ShotOver

11-02-2003, 06:35 AM

R.I.P Men.

:edited:

ShotOver

11-02-2003, 06:56 AM

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. death toll from a downed Chinook helicopter near Fallujah, has risen to 13, military officials said.

The helicopter was shot down by a shoulder-type missile, about 60 kilometers west of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, at 8 a.m. Sunday, witnesses told CNN.

It was one of three separate attacks Sunday, which saw at least one other U.S. servicemen killed in a convoy attack in Baghdad at about midnight.

It is the deadliest combat day for the U.S. since March 23, the day 28 American troops died in battle.

Between 32 and 35 people from the Army's 82nd Airborne Division were traveling on the Chinook, which was one of two flying to the Baghdad International Airport from a U.S. base camp. The men were beginning a "R and R" mission -- a short break from war.

CNN's Jane Arraf, who is at the scene, said witnesses saw a shoulder-type missile strike the helicopter just before it crashed into a field in a farming area.

"They (coalition forces) are controlling traffic, with guns at the ready. They are saying it is still a volatile area," she said.

"The area is in the middle of farmland, and it would be extremely easy for somebody to hide here and launch a missile, which is what witnesses are saying."

A second convoy was attacked in Fallujah, about an hour before the Chinook incident, but it is not clear whether any injuries were sustained.

CNN's Matthew Chance said crowds of Iraqis gathered quickly in the "flashpoint" city chanting anti-U.S. slogans.

It is believed the U.S. soldiers in the vehicle were taken away by other members of the convoy.

These 13 deaths -- along with the death of another soldier early Sunday in Baghdad -- brings to 136 the number of U.S. combat deaths since U.S. President George W. Bush declared an end to major hostilities May 1.

The attacks came as coalition forces were on alert for a threatened "day of resistance," following a warning from the U.S. Consulate Office in Baghdad.

The consulate said U.S. military patrols, hotels, markets, and non-governmental organizations could be among the sites attacked.

Chance said it was "difficult to pull the incidents together to say with any certainty" whether the incidents were connected and part of the so-called "day of resistance."

"The areas of Fallujah and Baghdad have been the venues for similar attacks, so it is difficult, impossible, to say whether we are seeing greater, more intense, action," he added.

On Saturday, two U.S. soldiers were killed in an explosion near the northern city of Mosul. The soldiers, from the 101st Airborne Division, were killed when their convoy struck an improvised explosive device. Two other soldiers were injured.

On Friday clashes between U.S. troops and Iraqi crowds in Baghdad left 14 Iraqis dead, according to a U.S. military official.

The violence began when two grenades were thrown at a U.S. patrol around the Abu Ghraib market. The American troops returned fire and the Iraqis began firing small arms and throwing rocks, a military official said.

In a bid to boost security and stability, U.S. administrator for Iraq Paul Bremer said the United States is stepping up efforts to hand over more responsibility to Iraqis themselves.

Coalition forces will speed up the training of Iraqi police and military, he said, and the size of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps will be doubled by March.

"We will have over 200,000 Iraqis involved in their own security forces by September next year," Bremer added.

Despite the attacks, the U.S.-led coalition had been able to reopen justice courts, build jails and recruit 50,000 Iraqi police officers.

A coalition military official said 33 attempted attacks are made against U.S. troops every day. Coalition officials blame forces loyal to ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, terrorist groups and other insurgents for the attacks.

Bremer said officials believe Saddam is alive and in Iraq, though there is "no indication" he is behind the attacks.

But he added: "His capture, or killing him, is one of the top priorities."

Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of U.S. ground forces in Iraq, said opponents of the U.S.-led occupation forces have been altering their tactics -- shifting from targeting coalition forces to targeting other international and institutions that they see as "key to the development of the country."

On Monday, four suicide bombings on three police stations and the headquarters of the International Red Cross left more than 30 people dead.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/02/sprj.irq.int.main/index.html

Argyll

11-02-2003, 07:30 AM

Deepest sympathies to the families of these soldiers :(

the sad thing here guys is that this kind of thing will hammer home the harsh realities of war,and the difficult roads ahead!

PT
making comments like that is just asking for the exact thing you don't want to hear,there's not a damn thing you can do to stop them,apart from get so wound up,it's best to grieve with your own thoughts,rather than allow someone to start with the usual crap,also best thing to do is ignore it,no point in smashing your keybiard to bits because some 14 year old kid has got you irate!....have a good one mate.

ShotOver

11-02-2003, 07:33 AM

haha, It's Argyll, the wee bonnie lad from scottland.

hahaha, sorry my mum is from Aberdeen and speaks like that.

spier

11-02-2003, 08:22 AM

That was somewhat suprising.

GG, Fedayeen.

Fliptape

11-02-2003, 08:59 AM

what will happen when the Iraqi "freedom fighters" will become more excperienced and will succsed in killing maybe one US soldier in every attack. Combat will make the Fedayeen more effecient, thougher and harder, like the VC became

Heard on the news a while ago that they where down to 23 attacks a day.

23*365 = 8395

we round that down to 8000 and who long are the US planning on staying?

lets say the keep their forces there atleast five years, 5*8000 = 40 000 KIA

I know its a worst case scenario, but dont say it cant happen, cause it has and will happen if not here then other places. The US makes them self big targets

Ichhabe

11-02-2003, 09:09 AM

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13 soldiers confirmed dead 20 wounded...
rest in piece boys

Ehhh. Not gonna be a nitpicker here, but you do mean rest in peace? Don't you?

And of course this is a tradegy to the US-forces. But as some has said. This is war. Casualties are bound to happen.

But calling this Vietnam 2...! We ain't there yet. But it is true that the Coalition forces are in a quagmire. So true. But it is a cultural quagmire.

We westerners are doomed to never understand the thinking and what's considered logical in this region of the world.

One fine day in the distant future we may do so, but untill then... :|

Seoulstriker

11-02-2003, 10:05 AM

iraqometer ...

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fuc* you.

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 10:08 AM

U.S. helicopter crash kills 15 in Iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. military transport helicopter crashed Sunday near Fallujah, Iraq, killing 15 U.S. troops and wounding 21 others, the U.S. military said.

Spokesman Col. William Darley said witnesses reported that the CH-47 Chinook had been hit by a missile, but he said the cause has not been determined.

Three other attacks also occurred Sunday in which at least one U.S. soldier died. It was the deadliest day in Iraq for U.S. forces since March.

The attacks came as coalition forces were on alert for a threatened "day of resistance" by anti-coalition guerrillas following a warning from the U.S. Consulate Office in Baghdad.

The helicopter was carrying soldiers to the Baghdad airport for the start of a so-called "R and R" mission -- a short break from duty. It crashed into a field near the town of Baisa, a rural area south of Fallujah, officials said.

Officials said between 32 and 35 people were aboard the helicopter, which was flying with another helicopter on the same mission.

Five of those on board were helicopter crew members assigned to the Army's 12th Aviation Brigade flying in support of the Army's 82nd Airborne Division, officials said. The other soldiers were believed to be stationed at Camp Ridgeway, the western Iraq headquarters for the 82nd Airborne.

The CH-47 Chinook is a twin-engine, tandem rotor helicopter designed to transport cargo, troops and weapons.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/11/02/sprj.irq.main/story.new.chopper.wreckage.ap.jpg
U.S. soldiers at the scene after a helicopter went down near Fallujah, Iraq.

Wow, the amount of KIA's has definitely surprised me. I have never heard of that many KIA in one crash. Very tragic news...Rest in peace men.

spier

11-02-2003, 10:17 AM

"BRING 'EM ON!"
-GWB

Seoulstriker

11-02-2003, 10:19 AM

"BRING 'EM ON!"
-GWB

oh wait, did i miss something? are we the French? do we surrender immediately to any threat?

fuc* you, man. terrorists are terrorists. your country wasn't attacked on september 11th.

spier

11-02-2003, 10:26 AM

oh wait, did i miss something? are we the French? do we surrender immediately to any threat?

fuc* you, man. terrorists are terrorists. your country wasn't attacked on september 11th.What has 9/11 to do with Iraq?

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 10:30 AM

Iraq is growing into a big hotbed for terrorists. It is a guerilla war now.

Don't turn this thread into a flame war on how Operation Iraqi Freedom was uncalled for.

ShotOver

11-02-2003, 10:34 AM

Mortimer man, that wasnt kocher...

These men did not choose to be deployed in this place.

They could of been Australian boys.

duck

11-02-2003, 10:37 AM

From AFP:

US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told NBC television at least 10 of the dead were US soldiers and speculated the chopper was downed by a surface-to-air missile.

Maybe there were Australians on that chopper?

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 10:40 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/auspac/03/20/sprj.irq.australia.sas/

http://www.inq7.net/brk/2003/mar/24/brkafp_38-1.htm

We all know our Australian allies are also providing good help. woot

spier

11-02-2003, 10:42 AM

Iraq is growing into a big hotbed for terrorists. It is a guerilla war now.

Don't turn this thread into a flame war on how Operation Iraqi Freedom was uncalled for.Yeah, I can agree that with the increasing presence of US soldiers then Iraq can be called a "hotbed for terrorists".

He219

11-02-2003, 10:50 AM

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20031102/capt.sge.ajf24.021103152543.photo01.default-384x229.jpg

US soldiers inspect the site where a Chinook helicopter was shot down outside the flashpoint town of Fallujah, 50km (30 miles) west of Baghdad.(AFP)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20031102/capt.sge.ajf24.021103152543.photo00.default-262x384.jpg

A US Black Hawk helicopter (bottom) evacuates casualties escorted by an Apache gunship over the site where a Chinook helicopter was shot down outside the flashpoint town of Fallujah, 50km (30 miles) west of Baghdad.(AFP/Marwan Naamani)

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20031102/i/r1660604525.jpg

RIP :(

Frankly, lumbering giants like the venerable Chinook are not difficult to down. I'm surprised something like this didn't happen in Afghanistan before, from hostile fire.....

This changes nothing. Isolate Fllujah and get those bastards.

Argyll

11-02-2003, 11:05 AM

It is all so easy to say this was a terrorist incident,when the reality is more likely to be Ex Regime ,The Iraqi RG ,SRG and SF did not fight and die on the battlefield guys,they "melted away" and this causes me great concern.

The suicide bombings can be attributed to terrorists,but the vast majority of the other incidents are the Fedayeen ,and co,who are waging the guerilla war that they said would happen,and this has been guerilla/clandestine war for a while now,and is not something that has just appeared overnight!

TF why do you seem surprised at the high number of KIA,with your avaition background,you should know that the Chinook can carry a full platoon of men,thats 30+/-. During the 90's the British MI lost 29 key Int people in a Chinook crash on the Mull of kintyre in Scotland.

What we don't need and I'm in 100% agreement on this is any comparisons to SE Asia,there are difficult times ahead,and I fear there will be more of these types of incidents,but the job is still not finished,and the road ahead is frought with danger

Uncle Chô

11-02-2003, 11:17 AM

Wow, the amount of KIA's has definitely surprised me. I have never heard of that many KIA in one crash. Very tragic news...Rest in peace men.

Chechnya, mid-August, 2002. 118 KIA (soldiers and medics alike) in a Mil Mi 26 shot down by the rebels. Same kind of helicopter, same tragedy. It is not because they were Russians they must be forgiven.

Vance

11-02-2003, 11:28 AM

Weren't a whole bunch of Spanish soldiers killed in a plane crash awhile ago?

Russian Texan

11-02-2003, 11:42 AM

Mi 26 is not the same, its twice as big. The exact toll was 118 dead and 24 injured. When the Igla hit the chopper it bursted the fuel pipe so a lot of people were burned alive, then ammunition started to detonate and to make matters even worse - it crash landed on a mine field...

Unfortunatelly large transport helicopters are an easy target and I'm afraid it not going to be the last one.

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 11:58 AM

TF why do you seem surprised at the high number of KIA,with your avaition background,you should know that the Chinook can carry a full platoon of men,thats 30+/-. During the 90's the British MI lost 29 key Int people in a Chinook crash on the Mull of kintyre in Scotland

Yes, the Chinook, depending on which type, can hold approximately 30 men. In U.S. aviation, it is rare to have that many KIA in one crash. I cannot recall the last time over a dozen men were killed in one helicopter crash.

http://www.army.mil/operations/oef/images/030121A_0FGHL.jpg

http://www.army.mil/operations/oef/images/030118F_0FF4S.jpg
CH-47 interior photos from Enduring Freedom

lumbering giants like the venerable Chinook are not difficult to down

Actually, they are well equipped to make assaults. It is fast for its size. Overall, they performed great in Afghanistan. I am just shocked at the KIA count. They were headed towards R&R so maybe the pilots had their guard down, who knows.

garyfanclub

11-02-2003, 12:20 PM

That was somewhat suprising.

GG, Fedayeen.

iraqometer ...

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I can't believe people say this kind of ****. I'm going to be praying for a horrible firey death for both of you, maybe putting you in nylon suits and sticking you in a giant microwave of sorts.

R.I.P and my condolences to the families of all those soldiers who died in Iraq today and all those injured.

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 12:21 PM

I can't believe people say this kind of ****. I'm going to be praying for a horrible firey death for both of you, maybe putting you in nylon suits and sticking you in a giant microwave of sorts

I agree with you, heartless idiots on here.

Deuterium

11-02-2003, 12:28 PM

Mortimer I simply cannot understand how you take GLEE in the death of fellow human beings. You are a very sick and disturbed individual. Please go away from this site. I call on all members of this board to e-mail the moderator and ban Mortimer from this site. Instead of offering criticism on policies, discussions on Military Photos, Mortimer has chosen to only highlight the deaths in Iraq.

Haiw

11-02-2003, 01:45 PM

Mortimer, let me give you some advise...

I know you are against the war in Iraq, for certain reasons, some of them being the hypocrisy of the government, etc. etc.

I also know you are a soldier yourself, and it could have been possible that you'd been in Iraq yourself, and might have even taken a bullet there if you happened to be unlucky.

Now just let me put it this way; try to bring your message in a different way...I know that you tried to bring it in a sarcastic way, but sarcasm on the deads of soldiers ain't funny. Also, remember that the war is the GOVERNMENT's fault..NOT the soldiers fault...however sad it might be, the politicians decide and the soldiers are simply victim, because they take the bullets, rockets and RPGs. I also know that the problem is that the only way to change the agressive US policy is propably by the deaths of too many US soldiers...However, even if the deads of soldiers might be able to 'improve your cause'....show some respect man, I mean, those soldiers aren't that different from you, they're just caught in the middle.

So to summarize; there's not much wrong with your message, only the way you bring it should be reviewed...

just a thought p-)

ST4

11-02-2003, 02:03 PM

When the Chinook was shot down, was it down by a stinger missle or an RPG(s)? I find it hard to believe if it was shot down by an RGP cause the system would have to be modifed to be able to shoot in the air.

The death count is 15 and 21 were wounded. :|

R.I.P

NcDeuce

11-02-2003, 02:09 PM

A CH-47 was shot down, or am I missing another downed helo?

front

11-02-2003, 02:11 PM

"Instead of offering criticism on policies"

"Criticism on policies" on this board, of late, has become a recipe for being personally insulted by others, regardless of the facts and regardless of the legitimate critiques.

I'm not going to email any mod. to ban Mortimer. You may not like what he writes... so then the best thing for you to do is to ignore him. As long as this is an international open-invitation discussion forum we'll let censorship take a back seat thanks very much.

cheers

front

Argyll

11-02-2003, 02:14 PM

It was RPG's that brought down the Blackhawks in Somalia in 93

So why would they not be able to shoot todays one down?The CH47's have more defenses against a stinger than they do an RPG,there is nothing that can be used as a decoy against it!

usa320

11-02-2003, 02:39 PM

Jack Mehoff

11-02-2003, 02:52 PM

Let's play democracy vote ban him.

spier

11-02-2003, 03:51 PM

spier-

http://www.x-plane.org/users/usa320/stfu.jpg

Perhaps you should watch the movie of Fedayeen throwing people off buildings and chopping their arms off, then we how wonderful of people they are.

I know freedom of speech and all that, but some of these assholes are so ignorant they should just be booted the f*** outta this site.Wait a sec. usa320 calling ME ignorant? rofl

Oh, and that film was allegedly Fedayeen, nothing proven, it could almost just as well be your buddies over in Saudi Arabia, or even more likely, Pakistan.

Deuterium

11-02-2003, 03:53 PM

Kriz

11-02-2003, 03:56 PM

Let's play democracy vote ban him.

I'll use my veto to keep him in ;)

Argyll

11-02-2003, 05:11 PM

Indications are that it was an SA-7 Grail that shot it down

He219

11-02-2003, 06:04 PM

The giant helicopter was ferrying the soldiers on their way for leave outside Iraq when two missiles streaked into the sky and slammed into the rear of the aircraft, witnesses told The Associated Press. It crashed in flames in farmers' fields west of Baghdad.

The missiles flashed toward the helicopter from the rear, as usual with heat-seeking ground-fired missiles. The most common model in the former Iraqi army inventory was the Russian-made SA-7, also known as Strelas.

In Baghdad, Darley said the CH-47 helicopter belonged to the 12th Aviation Brigade, a Germany-based unit that supports the 82nd Airborne Division Task Force operating west of Baghdad.

The two Chinooks were carrying a total of more than 50 passengers to the U.S. base at Baghdad International Airport, from which they were to fly out on leave, U.S. officials said. Darley said some of the casualties were from medical units, but officials did not provide a breakdown of their units.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20031102/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

usa320

11-02-2003, 06:06 PM

I'll use my veto to keep him in

Yeah, and ill use my foot to shove it up your ass.

Seoulstriker

11-02-2003, 06:40 PM

Indications are that it was an SA-7 Grail that shot it down

this one?

http://venus.ci.uw.edu.pl/~animal/military.pl/syst_p_lotnicze/rakietowe/sa-7_grail_9k32m-strzala/sa-7-1.jpg

Argyll

11-02-2003, 06:49 PM

yeah the Russkie version of the Stinger!

I think the SA-14 is the Gremlin.........both are called strela's,the SA7 being the Strela 2,and the SA14 the strela-3,possibly donating third generation MANPAD

jdbjdb

11-02-2003, 06:58 PM

What has 9/11 to do with Iraq?
9/11 ring leader Muhammed Atta had connections with Iraq

Seoulstriker

11-02-2003, 06:59 PM

What has 9/11 to do with Iraq?
9/11 ring leader Muhammed Atta had connections with Iraq

a terrorist training camp southeast of Baghdad was used to train terrorists in the art of hijacking commercial airplanes.

Argyll

11-02-2003, 07:10 PM

9/11 ring leader Muhammed Atta had connections with Iraq

care to elaborate?
Atta was a Saudi pin head,so that makes Saudi Arabia more resposible for 9/11 than Iraq you ignorant ****
at least 4 of the other Hijakers were saudi too,there were no Iraqi's on these planes,OBL is also a Saudi..............can your thick skull take this in?

Saudi Arabia is the key............not Iraq!
Even your own Government has said that there is no conclusive proof to link Iraq to 9/11

Salman Pak was the place.

usa320

11-02-2003, 10:23 PM

actually if i caan recall like 2 of the hijackers were Iraqi. along with Saudis, Yemenis and an egyptian if i remeber right.

jdbjdb

11-02-2003, 10:38 PM

Atta was a Saudi pin head,so that makes Saudi Arabia more resposible for 9/11 than Iraq you ignorant ****
Are you sure your not 12 the way you talk leads me to think you are, Muhammed Atta met with Iraqi's in Germany plotting attacks :bash:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

jdbjdb

11-02-2003, 10:39 PM

The Saudi Royal Family were endirectly involved, they didn't know what was going on, but a female royal family member gave money to the terrorist ;)

rokus2595

11-02-2003, 11:49 PM

jdbjdb

11-03-2003, 01:35 AM

unofficialy your right

Argyll

11-03-2003, 03:11 AM

What are you going on about,unless you work for the Intelligence services then it has all been proven inconclusive,and pure hearsay!

If YOU can prove beyond a resonable doubt that Iraq was directly involved in 9/11.then please do so,as your government needs your services,as you seem to be one hell of an Intelligence expert! :bash:

StarvingStudent47

11-03-2003, 03:25 AM

actually if i caan recall like 2 of the hijackers were Iraqi. along with Saudis, Yemenis and an egyptian if i remeber right.

No, none of the hijackers were Iraqi. I am sure of this. The vast majority were Saudi, and I think the rest were...Egyptian? Not positive on that one though.

Argyll is right--there has never been substantial credible evidence linking Iraq to 9/11. This doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of good reasons to have kicked Saddam's butt, though. Personally, I think we should have just said "we're going in cause the mass-murdering a-hole needs to be taken down a notch," just like we said about Slobo when we went after him. Would have made things a lot easier on us in terms of justifying the action.

Argyll

11-03-2003, 03:38 AM

Kingpin

11-03-2003, 04:06 AM

This theme is hot here (66 comments)

But other side is much more active (327 comments) ;)

http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=25123&lang=en

Argyll

11-03-2003, 04:20 AM

Bloody Hell,
And I thought that what Morty wrote was pretty cynical,there's a hell of a lot of gloating bas*ards in there ain't there?
:(

Mortimer

11-03-2003, 04:33 AM

i was metaphorically speaking.....sorry but its the truth.....
the iraqometer literally went clunk clunk.........ok maybe i went t a bit to far....

sorry

Mortimer

11-03-2003, 04:35 AM

i don't think its as insane as this

Champagne time guys..
автор Maria guest в 02.11.2003 [14:37] .. when only the best FRENCH bubbly will do. Mmmm 32 toasts to 32 sacks of ****, enjoy it in hell fellas. Saddam says; "thanks for the blood, bad luck about the oil".

Kingpin

11-03-2003, 04:46 AM

There is military forum i also participate - www.vif2.ru - much more serious discussions than on iraqwar.ru (mostly morons here).

People at vif2 suppose that now in Iraq arriving different professional dogs of war which are perfoming all those things. So we can expect increase in US losses due to professionally performed assaults and ambushes.

And i can't agree with US officials statement it was act of terror. It was pure military diversion 'cause only miliary personel was a target.

Kingpin

11-03-2003, 06:30 AM

May be it was the same men

http://www.vif2.ru/images/4836.jpg

JunglistSoldier

11-03-2003, 07:10 AM

I am just shocked at the KIA count. They were headed towards R&R so maybe the pilots had their guard down, who knows.

Hey, when a helo such as that goes down, there are going to be casualties. You should be surprised that it was shot down, not that people died.

JunglistSoldier

11-03-2003, 07:12 AM

And i can't agree with US officials statement it was act of terror. It was pure military diversion 'cause only miliary personel was a target.

Agreed, this sin't an act of terrorism.

Fargin

11-03-2003, 08:21 AM

Totally agree with that SS47,if the prime mission was to remove the regime,on the account of hi love of his people(Sarcasm),then the resoloutions,and lastly the chance of recovering his WMD then I think a lot of the anti war folks would turn!

I totally agree too. After the prime mission failed, it was importaint to find a new prime mission to legitimize the whole ordeal. Maybe SH wassen't a threat to US and maybe SD had no WMD, but atleast we killed alot of people so SH counld't.

WARPIG

11-03-2003, 09:12 AM

It takes a special kind of moron to generalize what goes on in Iraq. If you think the war is about terrorists.. you an idiot. If you think it is about WMD.. your stupider still. If you think it is about Saddam Hussein.. well... reach between your legs, grab your ears, and pull real hard.. cause your head is in your a55.
If you want to remain ignorant.. keep focusing on the details.
Terrorists and guerillas have similar tactics. You can't tell a terrorist attack from a guerilla attack from a disgruntled common criminal attack from a pissed off ex Iraqi soldier attack from a.. (get the picture?)
We are in for a long, hard, and unpopular war. More helicopters will go down, more land mines will go off, and more suicide attacks will happen. Guess what .. more retards will gloat about it. That is all they can do.... sit behind their computers.. and badmouth those of us who risk it.

To the brave souls who lost their lives risking it this weekend, thank you for the price you've paid. Many Iraqi's don't realize that you are paying for their liberty, so I will thank you for them.

budanski

11-03-2003, 10:07 AM

Splinter26

11-03-2003, 10:50 AM

Warpig are you in the military?

WARPIG

11-03-2003, 10:58 AM

What gave me away? My name or the whole pulling your head out of yer a55 thing?

US Army. 3rd generation.

Trigger

11-03-2003, 11:40 AM

Mortimer wrote:

iraqometer ...
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spier wrote:

GG, Fedayeen.

That's low even for you guys. Congrats.

Front wrote:

You may not like what he writes... so then the best thing for you to do is to ignore him. As long as this is an international open-invitation discussion forum we'll let censorship take a back seat thanks very much.
Open discussion? These guys are just starting sh!t. Just because a turd is stuffed between two pieces of bread, doesn't make it a sandwich and I have no problem saying that the guy who served it up should get the boot.
*glares at spier*

...at least Moritmer said 'sorry'

Splinter26

11-03-2003, 11:40 AM

Nothing gave you away, you actually don't sound like a GI. Sorry was asking.

Argyll

11-03-2003, 11:52 AM

So then what is the war in Iraq about then WARPIG?
Seeing as you just made the US Governments 3 main reasons out to be a pile of ****!!

WARPIG

11-03-2003, 12:11 PM

Sorry Argyll.. either I didn't make myself clear or I need to use smaller words for you. ;)

The US is involved in a conspiracy to make people happy.

Just kidding. Take it easy Argyll.. I think you know what I am getting at. For those who want to pick apart OIF... it is easy to generalize and say there is no threat of WMD.. or say that since Saddam is gone ..how come troops are still getting killed.. or that 9-11 has nothing to do with Iraq.
The big picture is like you said... there are several reasons for our conflict in Iraq and to use one aspect for the purpose of rhetoric is just insuliting my intelligence. If choose to think for yourself and not to hide in the safety of ignorance .. you can see it. Most people just choose to see the trees for the woods.

Argyll

11-03-2003, 12:17 PM

rofl I hear ya 10 x 10 WARPIG!!
I should've known better :oops:

WARPIG

11-03-2003, 12:28 PM

"We aren't trying hard enough if we don't bump heads from time to time."
~Unknown
"You don't have to agree with me.. just don't bore me!"
~Unknown

Splinter26

11-03-2003, 06:43 PM

Warpig, I would actually recommend you for an interview at Fox News cuz you seem to have very interestings things to say p-)

Andyman

11-03-2003, 07:33 PM

Did any of you guys know that 43% of American casualties in Vietnam were the result of friendly fire.

NcDeuce

11-03-2003, 07:35 PM

Did any of you guys know that 43% of American casualties in Vietnam were the result of friendly fire.

The Cincinnati Bengals have a 50% chance of winning each week.

WARPIG

11-04-2003, 08:30 AM

I'll go on FOX news if I can stand on Bill O'Reilly's desk and piss in his coffee cup.