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He219
11-03-2003, 04:00 PM
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Israeli soldiers try to secure the area where a Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up November 3, 2003 in the West Bank village of Azun. The teenage bomber, who was from Nabulus, blew himself up near Israeli troops, wounding one of them and killing himself. (***** Images)
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A Palestinian medic adjusts the head of Sabih Abu Saud on a stretcher in a hospital in the West Bank town of Qalqilya, Monday, Nov. 3, 2003. Just ten days after his sixteenth birthday Abu Saud carried along a picture of his dead uncle, strapped on an explosive belt and set off on a two-day odyssey of revenge that would take him across the West Bank, sparking a massive Israeli manhunt. Cornered by troops Monday morning, Abu Saud detonated the device, killing himself and lightly wounding a soldier. (AP Photo/Mohammed Azba)
Palestinian Suicide Bomber Blows Up Before Reaching Israel
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Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - A 16-year-old suicide bomber rushed a group of Israeli soldiers and blew himself up on Monday near the West Bank city of Kalkilya, lightly wounding a soldier. The attack happened as troops were deployed to look for a potential terrorist.
Israeli forces had been on high alert early Monday morning in central Israel following intelligence information that indicated a suicide bomber was intending to carry out an attack, military sources said.
Soldiers identified the bomber near the village of Azon, about one-and-a-half miles from Kalkilya, which borders the Israeli city of Kfar Saba.
The bomber apparently realized that the soldiers were searching for him and rushed towards them, blowing himself up, the sources said. One soldier was lightly wounded in the explosion.
The Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, part of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat's Fatah faction claimed responsibility for the attack and named the bomber as 17-year-old Sabih Abu Saud from Nablus.
According to the military sources, the incident was considered one of several thwarting of terror attacks that has occurred recently.
It is believed that the bomber came from Nablus and was possibly prevented from making an easier entrance into Israel by the controversial security fence. That fence has been built across from Nablus but it has not yet been extended to the area where the bomber blew himself up.
Israeli security forces arrested a Hamas terrorist from the village of Hizme, near Jerusalem, last Thursday who was suspected of plotting to carry out a terror attack, the army said over the weekend.
During his interrogation, the terrorist gave information about the large explosive belt that he was going to use in his attack. Israeli forces found the belt hidden under the bed of the terrorist's infant daughter and detonated it in a controlled manner.
Two other bomb belts were also located recently, military sources said.
There are currently some 45 warnings of pending terror attacks, Israel Radio reported on Monday.
Despite the warnings, Israel continued to ease restrictions on the Palestinian community, authorizing 10,000 more workers to enter Israel from the Gaza Strip.
Last week, Israel allowed 4,000 Palestinian merchants from the West Bank and Gaza Strip to enter Israel for work as well as 1,500 workers over the age of 21 from the West Bank to work in the Atarot Industrial zone near Jerusalem.
Meanwhile, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who is currently in Moscow, said that he hopes to meet with the new Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia soon.
Sharon said it has not been because of Israel that the meeting has not yet taken place but because Qureia "argues that it will make it more difficult to establish a cabinet, and weaken his position," Sharon was quoted as saying.
Chief Palestinian Authority negotiator Saeb Erekat said earlier that it was up to Sharon when the two prime ministers would meet.
Sharon, on a three-day official visit to Russia, met with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday for the third time since taking office.
Before their meeting, Putin said that Russia watches closely the lives of former countrymen who have immigrated to Israel "and the worsening of the situation in the Middle East gives us certain concern about their future," he was quoted as saying.
More than a million former Jews and their family members from the former Soviet states have immigrated to Israel since 1990.
"This among other things is the reason why we are ready to go on taking an active part, as far as this is possible, in finding a settlement to the situation in the Middle East," Putin said.
Russia is one of the members of the so-called Quartet, along with the U.S., European Union, and United Nations, which penned the "road map" to Israeli-Palestinian peace. Both Israel and the PA accepted the plan, which has yet to be implemented.
The U.S. has backed Israel's stance that the first phase requires Palestinians to bring about a complete halt to terrorism and dismantle the terrorist infrastructure.
Sharon was also expected to raise the issue of Iran's nuclear development with Putin. Russia is helping Iran to complete construction of a nuclear reactor, which both claim will be used for civilian purposes only.
But Israel, the U.S. and other Western experts suspect that the reactor will be used as a springboard for the development of nuclear weapons. m
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Vance
11-03-2003, 04:01 PM
Good riddance.
Seoulstriker
11-03-2003, 04:11 PM
16 years old... what could have given him the idea that he should kill himself and as many people as possible? :|
Argyll
11-03-2003, 04:14 PM
Alarming too!
I find the whole situation incomprehensible,that a 16 year old kid would want to be a suicide bomber..................sad and pathetic!
Chet Mystery
11-03-2003, 04:22 PM
He's only 16!?!
Sounds like a case of "premature detonation" to me :lol:
FallenAngel
11-03-2003, 04:25 PM
16 years old... what could have given him the idea that he should kill himself and as many people as possible? :|
Probably Arafat and the fundamentalist indoctrination that goes on in many of the schools there.
Sounds like a case of "premature detonation" to me
rofl
Usually I have respect for kids dying...but that is just too damn funny :lol:
Seoulstriker
11-03-2003, 05:23 PM
16 years old... what could have given him the idea that he should kill himself and as many people as possible? :|
Probably Arafat and the fundamentalist indoctrination that goes on in many of the schools there.
exactly. they teach these kids that israel has no right to exist, etc, for their whole lives, and then they act on what they were instructed to do. really sad. :(
16 years old... what could have given him the idea that he should kill himself and as many people as possible? :|
maybe his brother or father was killed by the IDF? Or maybe he realized that the IDF soldeirs are in his side off the "hood"?
Edit:
Araft cares only about his pocket $$$ .
jdbjdb
11-03-2003, 06:06 PM
sad and pathetic!
You just summed up The Palestinian Authority and militant groups.
StarvingStudent47
11-03-2003, 09:03 PM
16 years old... what could have given him the idea that he should kill himself and as many people as possible? :|
When Hamas runs the elementary schools, folks get indoctrinated early. It's no different than the Hitler Youth.
Here (http://www.edume.org/reports/10/toc.htm) is a report on elementary textbooks in Saudi Arabia. If Saudi textbooks are this inflammatory, imagine how bad the ones in Ramallah are.
mocking_loudly_died
11-03-2003, 09:05 PM
Kaboom.
Fioraon
11-03-2003, 09:10 PM
**** you guys. Its not funny, its pathetic. Even more pathetic is the error you fail to see in what brought about the kids actions. A ****en perfectly good human to come, poisoned in the mind of 16.
mocking_loudly_died
11-03-2003, 09:14 PM
Calm down you cry baby.
Sure I have empathy but i'm to busy eating lunch to bother with it.
StarvingStudent47
11-03-2003, 09:16 PM
f*** you guys. Its not funny, its pathetic. Even more pathetic is the error you fail to see in what brought about the kids actions. A f*** perfectly good human to come, poisoned in the mind of 16.
Yeah? Too bad. He was a murderer-to-be, regardless of whether he was old enough to buy Playboy or not. I'm not gonna cry over his death, just like I didn't cry over the deaths of Dylan Klebold or Eric Harris either (Columbine High massacre). Just like I wouldn't cry about some Hitler Youth kid killed in 1945.
Fioraon
11-03-2003, 09:17 PM
f*** you guys. Its not funny, its pathetic. Even more pathetic is the error you fail to see in what brought about the kids actions. A f*** perfectly good human to come, poisoned in the mind of 16.
Yeah? Too bad. He was a murderer-to-be, regardless of whether he was old enough to buy Playboy or not. I'm not gonna cry over his death, just like I didn't cry over the deaths of Dylan Klebold or Eric Harris either (Columbine High massacre). Just like I wouldn't cry about some Hitler Youth kid killed in 1945.
But you'll laugh? My point...
mocking_loudly_died
11-03-2003, 09:18 PM
Is any of you bastards going to cry at my funeral? :D
Vance
11-03-2003, 09:24 PM
I will. :(
StarvingStudent47
11-03-2003, 09:28 PM
Yeah? Too bad. He was a murderer-to-be, regardless of whether he was old enough to buy Playboy or not. I'm not gonna cry over his death, just like I didn't cry over the deaths of Dylan Klebold or Eric Harris either (Columbine High massacre). Just like I wouldn't cry about some Hitler Youth kid killed in 1945.
But you'll laugh? My point...
I did not laugh after the Columbine High massacre because fifteen innocent people--fourteen kids and a teacher--were brutally murdered that day.
But would I laugh if some 16-year-old Hitler Youth moron blew himself up in an unsuccessful quest to wipe out the last of the Juden? Sure I would. I'd laugh my ass off.
I remember being 16. I wasn't the smartest kid on the block, but even then I knew it was WRONG to murder a busful of women and children. This kid was easily old enough to kill; he's old enough to be judged because of his actions.
Andyman
11-04-2003, 12:55 AM
Think of it as this. The death of a suicide bomber is to the other side the equivalent to the Israelis losing a soldier. Does madatory military service begin at that age? Sure the kid was mixed up and whatever but you've got to remember as you sit back in your comfy computer chair typing away on your nice computer, in your little place in the world called home, that there is some undeniable force that drives these people to do this. I would agree that gang mentality is definately a catalyst to the actions of the terrorists. But look at the society they are immersed in, what other options do they have. I mean complaining about the actions of a suicide bomber is like condemning a kid for being in the Hitler youth. It may be horrible but that organization provides them with a family and a way to fit in and multiple other comforts that they would otherwise lack seeing as they live in a war torn nation. It's easy to be brash when you're thousands of miles away isn't it. The thing that some people seem to have problems with is really trying to understand peoples situation before they write them off. It's boring, it's hard and it's very time consuming but when did anybody achieve anything by taking the easy road.
The path to anything worth achieving is never easy, but worth it in the end.
StarvingStudent47
11-04-2003, 01:02 AM
Think of it as this. The death of a suicide bomber is to the other side the equivalent to the Israelis losing a soldier. Does madatory military service begin at that age? Sure the kid was mixed up and whatever but you've got to remember as you sit back in your comfy computer chair typing away on your nice computer, in your little place in the world called home, that there is some undeniable force that drives these people to do this. I would agree that gang mentality is definately a catalyst to the actions of the terrorists. But look at the society they are immersed in, what other options do they have. I mean complaining about the actions of a suicide bomber is like condemning a kid for being in the Hitler youth. It may be horrible but that organization provides them with a family and a way to fit in and multiple other comforts that they would otherwise lack seeing as they live in a war torn nation. It's easy to be brash when you're thousands of miles away isn't it. The thing that some people seem to have problems with is really trying to understand peoples situation before they write them off. It's boring, it's hard and it's very time consuming but when did anybody achieve anything by taking the easy road.
This is only meaningful if you believe that the death of a Waffen SS member is morally the same as the death of a 101st Airborne member. Personally, I'd say that the former is cause for rejoicing and the latter cause for sorrow. There's no equivalency. If you feel sorry for Hitler Youth, that's your deal. All my grief was used up on the tens of millions of Hitler's victims. I don't have any left for the people who carried out and supported those atrocities.
Your mind should be open, but you should not try to "open your mind" so wide that your brain falls out of your head.
Fioraon
11-04-2003, 01:28 AM
I think its dumb you can laugh at the kid a bare no weight on his society. I'm glad the poor f*ck is dead but its f*cken tragic. I dont see the humor. Im not saying you should jump up in down in shock, or bake a pie for his mother (and a bitch she most likely was) but something is really f*cked. Its not funny.
ShotOver
11-04-2003, 03:12 AM
My God that is funny, stupid little bastard.
Is that just General Infantry in that picture? Are those Kevlar vests?
Guttorm
11-04-2003, 06:18 AM
A society that make their young want to kill themselvs, along with several others... Is tragic, and wrong.
And I'm guessing it won't be long before some action is taken by the international community.
It's about time anyway. But I wonder how much good they can do.
Mr Gently Benevolent
11-04-2003, 09:51 AM
How the hell did the Hitler Youth and the Waffen SS manage to enter this thread? How can anyone compare the death of a misguided youth from a community ****ed 7 ways to Sunday and the actions Nazis.
usa320
11-04-2003, 11:01 AM
I think its tragic, but it could have been much worse.
Apparently the kids father is pissed off like all hell at Al Asqua martyrs brigade for sending him...
Perhaps people will finally realize that the militants are killing more palesitinians than the IDF?
While I understand that Palestinain groups such as HAMAS put out so much propaganda and turn suicide bombers into popular heroes there is no other explanaiton for the radicalization of the Palestinain people than thier severe mistreatment by Israel. Sure, I dont agree with Palestinains tactics and I see the two sides as both have meritorious arguments and therefore an intractable conflict but still, Israel treats the Palestinians just as Nazi Germany treated the Jews before they Holocaust. I would ask Israeli's whether the Gaza strip resembles little more than a concentration camp. I would ask them whether restricting jobs palestinians can have was not also a measure taken by Hitler. I would also ask them whether collective punishment (blowing up bombers famly houses to punish thier relatives) is not similar to collective punishment used by Nazi's to deter any resistance to Nazi-Jewish policy from local Jews. I see dangerous and disturbing similarity here. And Im not blaming Jews. Its only that, rightly or wrongly, and whether you suport Israels existence or not (which I do), if Isrrael continues a policy of mistreatment there will always be resistance. And suicide bombers are not only created by radical Islam alone. Many suicide bombers have been independent and desribed by thier family as secular. What creates them is oppressoin and hopelessness brought about by inhumane living conditions from Israeli mistreatment. Think about: No school, no jobs, death and destruction all around, no rights, inhuman living conditions, poor food and health, overcrowdedness etc etc etc..And yes, Jordanian and Syrian people treat there Palestian diasporas just as badly. But still, Israel would not be around today if it werent for the United States feeding it millions of $$$. They cannot sustain the level of assaults alone. And one day, they may be alone. The United States may not ALWAYS have the resources or the political will to prop up Israel. The only answer is peace through settlement (or genocide) and Israel can start with better treatment and more rights to Palestinians. After all, IT WAS OUNCE THIER LAND AND MANY STILL REMMEMBER WHERE THEY USED TO LIVE AND WHAT ARE NOW ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS. Also, it hurts Israels cause when they continue expanding with the radical Jews illegal settlements. I mean, HELLOOO you idiots!!! Do you want to deligitimize your whole cause. These illegal territorial expansions must stop. Im sorry but its absurd. I understand that Israel is unique in the world because it is literally surrounded by enemies who have attackd it since its creation and continue an under the table war agasint it to this day, even as I type this. I understand that perfectly and how that threat also tempers Israel attidtudes towards the Palestinians who are used like pawns by Iraq and Syria and Egypt and others simply to hurt Israel. I know the Arab world couldnt give a damn about them. Arab rage isnt even really about that. ITs REALLY just about shame at getting thier pitiful asses kicked by an upstart group of poorly armed and poorly trained Jews who fought like hell with what they had. And then, Jewish skill and technology eclipsed theirs and now they are ashamed at their impotency. I understand this too. But Israel needs peace with its imediate neighbors. They cant keep sucking up American resources to prop them up. They need to find a way to halt the violence so they can return to a viable economic state and re arm etc so that when the Arabs attack again, which they eventually will, Israel is ready and not exhausted from continious war with the Palestians. No state in history has ever survived a state of continious open large scale war for great period of time. In fact, war itself, or overstretch and overcommitment of resources to war and away from education, economic development, science, etc has been the downfall of many great powers. I guess what Im saying is Isreal needs to sit back and give the Palestinians someting, some hope. Give them a reason for living instead of a reason for dying. Can anyone imagine the hopelessness and despair that must be in a person for them to strap a bomb to thier stomach with the sole hope of just killing at least one Jew. That would allow them to get on a bus and look and Jewish kids on their way to school and look at innocent people siply trying to live thier lives and then press that button or connect htose wires, not only killing themselves but those innocent Jews??? Well, in my mind anyway, it must take the most severe forms of oppression and mistreatment and it isnt Belgium thats doing it: ITs Israel, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, etc.....
WARPIG
11-04-2003, 11:29 AM
Is this really all that big of a surprise?
How many US teenagers have swallowed pills or slit their wrists because they were rejected for Prom?
What about all the kids that shoot each other for some new Nike's or shiny wheels for their Honda?
But, a 16 year old Palestinian boy who grew up hating Jews wants to martyr himself while trying to off some IDF is shocking? Tragic yes, shocking no. I am going to go out on a limb and say that a group called the The Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades might have a high turn-around due to frequent suicides.
Another surprise... morons decide to gloat over the death of a kid just because he is a terrorist.
"Freedom of speech is like an **** beach... the ugly tends to show up more often than you want."~WARPIG
[quote=Seoulstriker]16 years old... what could have given him the idea that he should kill himself and as many people as possible? :|
Probably Arafat and the fundamentalist indoctrination that goes on in many of the schools there.
Or perhaps the ****ty conditions they have to live in ? The bleak future they are facing ? Every man has a breaking point, perhaps he just reached his.
I think it's fairly simplistic to say that this has only to do with indoctrination, after all then al Palestinian kids should blow themselves up for they get the same education ? right ??
It's way beyond possible indoctrination, someone who hasn othing left to loose is capable of doing almost anything.
As an Israeli I'm not happy this kid died, but I'm sure as hell happy he didn't get to blow himself up in a night club or somewhere else and kill innocent people...
He219
11-04-2003, 12:17 PM
At 16, I hope they wouldn't let him into nightclubs in Israel. Luckily he didn't make it far.
I think the message is of a combination of infused militant propaganda, islamic rhetoric, indoctrination and most tragically, a sense of no recourse. He lost his Uncle and wanted to excercise revenge at the cost of his own life.
Ultimately he was exploited by those who gave him the explosives and shoved him towards Israel.
:|
Andyman
11-04-2003, 12:32 PM
Well Starving student I was talking about the other side of the story. I mean to Palestinians this is obviously a loss as well. They don't lose people and forget about it, even terrorists cry about their own. That is what I am referring to. So don't go telling me that my head will fall off until you fully understand what I am saying.
At 16, I hope they wouldn't let him into nightclubs in Israel.
In the Dolphinarium discotheque bombing it was enough for the terrorist to blow himself up in the queue, over 20 people (mostly teens) died in that bombing...
Why arafat did't send is doghter to be a sucide bomer....?
Why is wife live in london ?
He219
11-04-2003, 12:35 PM
I thought she lived in Paris?
;)
I thought she lived in Paris?
;)
Same ****.
Just kidding... rofl
But i think you got my point... ;)
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