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Kingpin

11-04-2003, 03:24 AM

You know second theme - destroyed US equipment ;)

All photos is low-res, sorry. Metallica's song "To Live is To Die" is recommended while watching this pics

http://www.vif2.ru/images/4810.jpg

Rare photo - TOS-1 in action

http://www.vif2.ru/images/13362.jpg

http://www.vif2.ru/images/13359.jpg

http://www.vif2.ru/images/13355.jpg

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http://www.vif2.ru/images/6395.jpg

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http://www.vif2.ru/images/6378.jpg

http://www.vif2.ru/images/6343.jpg

http://www.vif2.ru/images/6314.jpg

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Guided missile from Su-25

http://www.vif2.ru/images/4726.jpg

http://www.vif2.ru/images/4725.jpg

http://www.vif2.ru/images/4688.jpg

Erik

11-04-2003, 05:21 AM

Mmm. chechnya :P

That TOS-1 pic was new to me woot

obd

11-04-2003, 11:36 AM

I second the "MMMMMM....Chechnya" notion. Something about a low tech hopeless guerrila war with both sides using my favorite weapons just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. ;) Gotta love those Ruskie Ak-74's with Gp-25 nade launchers. Always wondered how they compaired in terms of accuracy and weight and ergonomics to the US 203. Also wondered how deadly the "VOG" series grendes are compaired to the anti personel 203 nade. Anyone got any answers, please post em Thanks!

Erik

11-04-2003, 01:13 PM

Operation Ivy

11-04-2003, 03:01 PM

Nice pics!....and there isnt any pics of destryoed US equiment YEY!

wholagun

11-04-2003, 03:06 PM

Damn, I would not want to go to war with Russia, they are a bunch of mean and tough SOB's.. Damn.

Henk

11-04-2003, 03:26 PM

F.U.B.A.R.
Good pics.

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Saranof

11-04-2003, 04:22 PM

what a sh***y place chechnya is...really... :|

Skaman

11-04-2003, 06:52 PM

Does anyone know the statstics concerning casaulties for both sides?

mocking_loudly_died

11-04-2003, 07:20 PM

Man, if they ever did a movie about that place it would make BHD seem like a sunny afternoon in the park.

The death toll on both sides would be pretty impressive.

Vance

11-04-2003, 07:36 PM

Russia: Alot
Chechnya: Alot

Let's just say that...

Mortimer

11-04-2003, 08:44 PM

Russian Air force losses

excellent site and really detialed info, i'll keep looking for army losses.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/chechnya/losses/losses.htm

Summary (July 23, 2001):
31 aircraft destroyed or heavily damaged:
21 aircraft destroyed
5 x Su-25 (two mechanical problems; two bad weather, one shot down)
2 x Su-24 (one shot down, one crashed due to poor weather)
1 x Mi-26 (mechanical malfunction)
10 x Mi-8 (two destroyed on the ground; four technical problem, four shot down)
3 x Mi-24 (one technical problem; two shot down)
10 aircraft heavily damaged
9 x Mi-8 (two technical problems; seven damaged by ground fire)
1 x Mi-24 (damaged by ground fire)
52 servicemen killed
15 pilots
9 navigators / weapons operators
28 other crew members / troops

Mortimer

11-04-2003, 08:49 PM

http://www.aeronautics.ru/sukhoi/su24001.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya04.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/t7201.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya03.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya35.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya60.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/pchela101.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya85.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya100.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya83.jpg

Mortimer

11-04-2003, 08:53 PM

http://www.aeronautics.ru/

anything soviet, awsome sute

Vance

11-04-2003, 08:54 PM

I never looked up on the Chechnyan War? Why is it being fought?

BMF

11-04-2003, 08:55 PM

gotta say, the Hind is one of the more dangerous looking aircraft ever made....the looks like slow-flying death.

Dmitri

11-04-2003, 10:17 PM

Ok, here are some pics of Alfa and Vympel and FSB Spetsnaz!! Finally I found some:
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_4547.jpg
Alfa training
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_7659.jpg
Alfa storming a school
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_4842.jpg
Alfa officer (all of them are) getting a break
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_4147.jpg
Alfa
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_9956.jpg

http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_3418.jpg
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_3325.jpg
Spetsnaz GRU
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_2686.jpg
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_1154.jpg
Tula city "SWAT"
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_8264.jpg
Tula city "SWAT"
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/album_0109031355_1064.jpg
Alfa Patch
http://ns.sitecity.ru/users/antiterror/storage/index_9158.gif

rob

11-04-2003, 11:22 PM

I never looked up on the Chechnyan War? Why is it being fought?

the chechens declaired independence the soviets attacked.

a good read is chechnya calamity in the caucasus. a little outdated as it ends when the russians pull out in 97 was it? and have since gone back i believe.

btw, after fombling to find my ..and justice for all cd, the song prooved very fitting for the pictures.

Russian Texan

11-05-2003, 12:21 AM

The first Chechen war started because of the money (it is too difficult to explain to someone who is not familiar with russian politics of '90s and things like "oligarhs", "elczin family", "military mafia", "kremlin's mafia", etc.) It was much more complicated than what you might have heard or seen in the western media. Basically Chechen republic was spinning out of control since the dissolvement of the USSR. In a matter of a couple of years it became a criminal state which solely depended on money from the various criminal activities. On top of all that there was complete genocide against russian population in Chechnya: people were killed, tortured, literary kicked out of their homes and apartments just because they were russian. However none of that bothered russian government untill chechens decided to stop paying off to corrupt officials and financial intrests of certain companies and individuals were affected. At the same time things in Chechnya got so bad and out of control it became impossible to cover up regardless of the sizes of bribes. For example: there were pension and salary money delivered to Chechnya by the "Menatep" bank which was connected to the "Elzins Family". Later that night a group of heavily armed people blew up the doors of the state bank in Grozny, killed all the guards and disappeared with the money (all of it happened right next to the ministry of internal affairs building). There also were occasions when russian officials were kidnaped or killed while being in Chechnya. To make a long story short Russian government orders its troops to "restore constitutional order" in the republic of Chechnya. What followed is just too difficult to explain and gets my blood boiling. Basically it was the war of mafias where lives of Russian soldiers were betrayed, sold and exchanged for money and political points. You ask any officer in the Russian army and he will tell you that if it was left up to them, Chechnya would be pacified in the matter of days. But when your generals and politicians sell military maps, call signs, radio frequencies, supply routs, minefield locations, time of the attack/operation and exact number of troops/weapons that will take part in it, there is not much you can do... There also were several occasions when cease fires were called, by the russian politicians ofcourse, at the very right time for Chechens, every time going gets tough for them there is cease fire so they can rearm, regroup and heal wounded. What made the situation worse was the fact that a lot of chechens served in the Soviet military and knew all the strenghts, weaknesses and tactics. Anyways when I remember first Chechen war my blood boils, not because of chechen crimes against russians but because of kremlin's against its own people.
The second Chechen war was direct cosequence of the first one. After Russian troops left now independent Chechnya, it became a breeding ground for some of the worst scum this planet has ever known.All of the criminal activities quadrupled, no one was working, multiple warlords emerged, etc. To simply put it - region sled into complete chaos and it was bound to overspil. And it did when chechen religious fanatics "wahhabists" decided to annex neighboring republic of Russian Dagestan through the invasion, only this time Chechens weren't alone, they had their own "coalition" of international mercenaries. Then the history repeated itself although corruption and betrayalls were on the much smaller scale due to the change in leadership (Putin is an honest guy with the good intentions but there is no way one person can control Russia unless its ofcourse Stalin or Ivan the Terrible) Now Russia is dealing with the same situation and type of warfare as US is experincing in Iraq except it is much, much, much, much worse. This is extremely simplified and condensed version of what is going on over there. If you would like to better understand it, you'd have to spend some time studying the history of that region, Russia was having roblems with Chechnya for the last 300 years. A lot of it is chechens mentality: it is shamefull for a real Chechen men work, "Chechen men are born to be warriors not carpenters, bakers and shepards". You can't build a civilized society with that kind of attitude.

Right now things are relatively quiet overthere but most people agree that "3rd Chechen war" is inevidable...

Andyman

11-05-2003, 01:35 AM

amazing pictures!!!

I was just wondering, were those photos that were in black in white, actually done in black in white cause that was the only film available or were they done in black in white on purpose?

the pics were obviously done when colour photogrpahy was available but was the photographer just trying to go for that effect.

Or did Russia not allow colour film in Russia after WW2 because they still feared revolution rofl

I know this question is largely ambiguous however I think it would be interesting to know.

Kingpin

11-05-2003, 05:27 AM

B&W photos are kind of proffesional photo art. It is better when photographing interesting characters.

As for chechen war - Texan gives complete answer and i think in general he's right. Independence was just a symbol. Not a real purpose.

Dmitri

11-05-2003, 09:38 AM

By the way, Bin Laden in his interview to CNN several years ago, said that he was one of the sponsors of the terrorist groups. He thought that it was a war against muslims...