German Special Forces( KSK ) General dismisses

[Andy]

Struck schmeißt KSK-Chef raus

Die Affäre um die antisemitischen Äußerungen des CDU-Bundestagsabgeordneten Martin Hohmann weitet sich aus. KSK-Chef Reinhard Günzel lobte die Rede Hohmanns ausdrücklich. Daraufhin wurde der Brigadegeneral von Bundesverteidigungsminister Peter Struck gefeuert.

Berlin - Struck (SPD) wies den Inspekteur des Heeres an, Günzel, Chef des Kommandos Spezialkräfte der Bundeswehr, von seinen Aufgaben zu entbinden. Gleichzeitig bat Struck Bundespräsident Johannes Rau, den Offizier in den einstweiligen Ruhestand zu versetzen.
Struck warf Günzel vor, der Bundeswehr mit seinen "abstrusen und verwirrenden" Äußerungen schwer geschadet zu haben. Deshalb habe er dessen Entlassung vorgeschlagen. Dieser "Rausschmiss" sei keine ehrenhafte Verabschiedung. Die CDU/CSU-Bundestagsfraktion solle seinem Beispiel folgen und Hohmann aus ihren Reihen ausschließen. Der SPD-Politiker unterstrich, der General sei ein Einzelfall in der Bundeswehr. Es handele sich um einen "verwirrten General, der einer noch verwirrteren Auffassung eines CDU-Bundestagsabgeordneten zugestimmt" habe.



Das ZDF-Magazin "Frontal 21" hatte zuvor berichtet, Günzel habe sich in einem Brief an Hohmann sehr herzlich bedankt. "Eine ausgezeichnete Ansprache - wenn ich mir dieses Urteil erlauben darf - wie man sie mit diesem Mut zur Wahrheit und Klarheit in unserem Land nur noch sehr selten hört und liest", zitierte "Frontal 21" aus dem Brief, den Hohmann der Redaktion präsentiert habe. Ein Sprecher des Verteidigungsministeriums erklärte, Minister Peter Struck (SPD) habe angewiesen, den Sachverhalt restlos aufzuklären. In diesem Zusammenhang würden alle rechtlichen Konsequenzen erörtert. Günzel war für eine Stellungnahme nicht zu erreichen.

Ein Mitarbeiter von "Frontal 21" sagte, Hohmann selbst habe den Brief des Generals bei einem am Samstag geführten Interview gezeigt. Zwar besitze die Redaktion keine Kopie des Briefes, er sei aber gefilmt worden. Im Bundestagsbüro Hohmanns hieß es, man wolle den Bericht nicht kommentieren.

Hohmann hatte in seiner Rede am 3. Oktober unter anderem die Frage aufgeworfen, ob die Juden ebenso wie die Deutschen als "Tätervolk" bezeichnet werden dürften. Wegen dieser Äußerung war Hohmann am Montag vom CDU-Vorstand öffentlich gerügt worden. Zudem wurde er von der Unionsfraktion aus dem Innenausschuss abgezogen und in den Umweltausschuss versetzt. Weitere Sanktionen gab es zunächst nicht. Mehrere Politiker hatten gefordert, die CDU müsse sich von Hohmann trennen. Der Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland hat nach eigenen Angaben Strafanzeige gegen den Hohmann wegen Volksverhetzung gestellt.

Weiter zitierte das Magazin aus dem Brief: "Und auch, wenn sich all diejenigen, die sich dieser Auffassung anschließen oder sie gar laut und deutlich artikulieren, von unserer veröffentlichten Meinung sofort in die rechtsradikale Ecke gestellt werden, können Sie sicher sein, dass Sie mit diesen Gedanken der Mehrheit unseres Volkes eindeutig aus der Seele sprechen. (...) Ich hoffe, dass Sie sich durch Anwürfe aus dem vorwiegend linken Lager nicht beirren lassen und mutig weiterhin Kurs halten."




You can translatet in google.com

Andy

[Shadow]

Schon grob! :roll:
Naja für alles gibts nen Ersatz!

[Seoulstriker]

wtf, mates? english, please!

[He219]

Something to the likes of German Defense Secretary sacks KSK Special Operations Chief...

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/afpde/20030823/08/3677079711.jpg

Federal Minister of Defense Peter Struck (SPD) wants to supplement the command of special forces (KSK) from at present about 450 to approximately 1000 men..

I'm working on the translation....

'The Brigadier-General was fired for defending government official Martin Hohmann's statements...'

It's fallout from Here (http://www.wiesenthal.com/social/press/pr_item.cfm?ItemID=8446).

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39520000/jpg/_39520045_hohmann203bodyafp.jpg

"It was not my intention to characterise the Jews as a nation of perpetrators. If a different impression has arisen, I emphatically apologise and am sorry if I have hurt feelings"

Martin Hohmann 's apology
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3234099.stm

[He219]

Interestingly enough, I found this previous 'statement':
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,304351,00.jpg

The head of German special services, Brigadier General Reinhard Günzel, whose troops are expected to go to Afghanistan, warned that any attempt to capture Bin Laden would lead to a "bloodbath". He accepted that, because of the scale of the atrocities in New York and Washington, the soldiers were going to have to try anyway. (September 24, 2001) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,557069,00.html)


Brigadier General Reinhard Günzel was relieved of duty because his letter of praise to politician Martin Hohmann, as shown on national television (ZDF). My translation:

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,168257,00.jpg

"Dear [Representative Hohmann], I thank you very cordially for your lecture at the national holiday. An excellent speech, if you allow me the opinion, that one only hears and reads very rarely in our country, with the courage to express truth and clarity.

Those who share your opinion or dare articulate them are branded as right-wing extremists; you can be shure that you clearly speak the heartfelt beliefs of the majority of our people.

I hope that you will hold firm and not allow criticism from the liberal left to sway your course. Cordial greetings,

Regards, Brigadier GeneralReinhard Günzel."
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,272541,00.html

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,303541,00.jpg
KSK File Photo

Shadow's words: "Tough. There's a replacement for everything"

;)

[Shadow]

Not bad! :D

[wholagun]

ahahahah....ich verstche dass nicht. Konnen Sie in English schreiben. :cantbeli: damn my German sucks..

[StarvingStudent47]

Hohmann's a wanker. Yeah, I'm sure he didn't mean it when he said:


"With a certain justification, one could ask in the light of the millions killed in the first phase of the [Russian] revolution about the 'guilt' of the Jews,"

(taken from He219's link)

He should go and chill with the Malaysian Prime Minister and chat about how Jews rule the world by proxy and make others fight their battles. Cause I think the rest of us are tired of these rants that reek of 1938.

[He219]

That was part of the Simon Wiesenthal Center link earlier:


In the speech in his hometown of Neuhof, Hohmann argued that Germans still labor under the burden of Nazi crimes but other nations with bloody pasts cast themselves as "innocent lambs." He cited the French revolution and the prominent role of Jews in the 1917 communist revolution in Russia.

"With a certain justification, one could ask in the light of the millions killed in the first phase of the revolution about the 'guilt' of the Jews," Hohmann said, according to a copy of the speech obtained by The Associated Press.

He said "it would follow the same logic with which the Germans are described as a guilty people." He concluded that the point was not to blame the Germans for Nazi crimes or Jews for those of the Bolsheviks, but rather "the godless with their godless ideologies."

The Central Council of Jews, which represents Germany's Jewish community, said it may file a criminal complaint against Hohmann for incitement under German laws outlawing far-right statements in public.

http://www.wiesenthal.com/social/press/pr_item.cfm?ItemID=8446

The dummy doesn't realize that there is no such thing as 'Collective Guilt' in the first place.....
:cantbeli:



http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=457053

German Defense Minister Peter Struck announces the dismissal of German Brigade General Reinhard Guenzel in Berlin Tuesday, Nov. 4, 2003. Guenzel, head of German special forces KSK, has been dismissed after a letter of Guenzel to German lawmaker Martin Hohmann has become public. Guenzel wrote that he supports Hohmann who compared the actions of Jewish communists in the Russian revolution with those of the Nazis. (AP Photo/Fritz Reiss)

[ilxAudrey]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3240799.stm#startcontent

German general axed in Jewish row

The head of Germany's special forces has been sacked for allegedly backing an MP who is accused of anti-Semitism.

Defence Minister Peter Struck fired Brigadier General Reinhard Guenzel for apparently praising MP Martin Hohmann.

Mr Hohmann has caused a national row with comments comparing the actions of Jews in the 1917 Russian revolution with those of the Nazis.

General Guenzel is said to have written to Mr Hohmann, praising his "courage".

Mr Struck insisted that General Guenzel's views were not widespread in the armed forces.

"This is about a lone, confused general who agreed with an even more confused statement made by a conservative member of parliament," he said.

Mr Hohmann first sparked a furore when he suggested it might be possible to consider Jews as a "Taetervolk", or race of perpetrators, as Germans are seen, because of Jewish actions during the Bolshevik revolution.

In an interview for ZDF's Frontal 21 programme this weekend Mr Hohmann, an MP for the opposition right-wing Christian Democrats (CDU), read out the letter of support from General Guenzel.

"It was an excellent speech, of a courage truth and clarity which one seldom hears or reads in our country," Mr Hohmann quoted the letter as saying.

"Even though all those who support this view or who articulate it loud and clear are categorised by public opinion as right-wing extremists, you can be sure that you are doubtless speaking for the majority of our nation," he also quoted the general as writing.

The KSK special forces, which General Guenzel headed, are the elite branch of the German military and have recently seen action in Afghanistan.

German prosecutors have launched an investigation into Mr Hohmann's speech after a criminal complaint against him was filed.

He has apologised for his comments, saying that neither Germans nor Jews were "Taetervolk".

The CDU has thrown him off two parliamentary commissions - though critics say that this is not punishment enough.

[Shadow]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=457053
Uncel Struck wants YOU!:D

[Wodan]

Those bastards, Hohmann just wanted to show that there is no collective guilt, and the medias made crap out of it...

[Macs.]

Those bastards, Hohmann just wanted to show that there is no collective guilt, and the medias made crap out of it...

Congrats you just bumped a 2 years old thread. ;)

[XTC]

Those bastards, Hohmann just wanted to show that there is no collective guilt, and the medias made crap out of it...

Congrats you just bumped a 2 years old thread. ;)

Ist das ein Problem ? :petting:

[Macs.]

Those bastards, Hohmann just wanted to show that there is no collective guilt, and the medias made crap out of it...

Congrats you just bumped a 2 years old thread. ;)

Ist das ein Problem ? :petting:

Ja. :|
Die Sache ist doch schon längst gegessen, Herr Eidgenosse.

[Rantanplan]

What a Dumb****

[caleb]

Those bastards, Hohmann just wanted to show that there is no collective guilt, and the medias made crap out of it...

:cantbeli:


Wodan, you never fail to amaze me with your blatant stupidity.

It's kinda funny to see how you slowly moved from just being stupid and anoying to openly acting and talking like a retarded neo-nazi.

[Wodan]

Those bastards, Hohmann just wanted to show that there is no collective guilt, and the medias made crap out of it...

:cantbeli:


Wodan, you never fail to amaze me with your blatant stupidity.

It's kinda funny to see how you slowly moved from just being stupid and anoying to openly acting and talking like a retarded neo-nazi.

Du hast es wohl nicht mitbekommen, er hat diese vergleiche nur angestellt, weil er zeigen wollte, dass die deutschen eben NICHT ein tätervolk sind!

Genausowengi wie irgendwer anderes...

aber die medien wollen ja immer tolle schlagzeilen, und da reisst man schon mal gerne was aus dem zusammenhang...



And wahts the problem with entering an old thread,
if this wasnt ok, each thread would be erased after 3 months of no use...

[Rantanplan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Rantanplan/Main_hitler.jpg

[Wodan]

hahh... I am so happy to live in bavaria, where normal patriotic people are average, and not ultra leftist traitors...

If it gets here as bad as it is in the rest of germany, Ill propably try to leave to countrys where people arent that stupid, like the USA or Switzerland

[caleb]

hahh... I am so happy to live in bavaria, where normal patriotic people are average, and not ultra leftist traitors...

If it gets here as bad as it is in the rest of germany, Ill propably try to leave to countrys where people arent that stupid, like the USA or Switzerland

I live in Bavaria. I was born in Bavaria. I love Bavaria. I am patriotic

You are not normal. You are below average. You are brainless. You are a Nazi and a ****. You have no friends. You have no clue what you're talking about. You are Wodan....







I hate to get down on that level...but things have to be said...

[fng]

Calm yourselves, people.

An interesting question is rased here. Is there such a thing as a collective quilt for an ethnic race?

[Wodan]

Calm yourselves, people.

An interesting question is rased here. Is there such a thing as a collective quilt for an ethnic race?

I and Hohmann and Günzel say no, the rest of the germans here say yes, but in western judical systems its a clear no,

Your father kills somebody
You wont get imprisoned for it

easy answer...

everybody can understand this, besides of the german assholes over here