Iran Threatens to Shoot Down U.S. Drones

[J-10]

Iran Threatens to Shoot Down U.S. Drones
Wed, Feb 16, 2005
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's intelligence chief on Wednesday accused the United States of flying spy drones over its nuclear sites and threatened to shoot down the unmanned surveillance crafts.

Intelligence Minister Ali Yunesi comments backed a report in The Washington Post on Sunday that quoted unidentified U.S. officials as saying the drones have been flying over Iran for nearly a year to seek evidence of nuclear weapons programs.

"U.S. spying activities over Iranian airspace have been going since a long time ago," Yunesi told reporters.

"Most of the shining objects that our people see in Iran's airspace are American spying equipment used to spy on Iran's nuclear and military facilities," the minister told reporters.

He said they would not reveal anything the United States doesn't already know.

"Our nuclear activities are open and very transparent. Our military activities are all legal," Yunesi said. He spoke while visiting a prison for dissidents under the shah that has been turned into a museum.

In London, meanwhile, Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said Iran will have the knowledge to build nuclear weapons within six months.

"This is not only Israel's problem, but an international problem, as the long-range missiles can reach Europe," Shalom said.

The United States accuses Iran of having a secret program to manufacture nuclear weapons. Iran denies this, saying its nuclear program is entirely for the generation of electricity.

The Washington Post reported the drones had been flying over Iran from U.S. military bases in Iraq and were equipped with air filters to pick up traces of nuclear activity.

In December, the Iranian air force was ordered to shoot down any unknown flying objects. At the time, there were reports in Iranian newspapers that Iran had discovered spying devices in unmanned planes its air defense force had shot down.

"If any of the bright objects come close, they will definitely meet our fire and will be shot down. We possess the necessary equipment to confront them," Yunesi said.

Last month, Yunesi said the United States had been conducting aerial surveillance, but he neither mentioned drones nor nuclear and military sites. Yunesi said U.S. commandoes had not entered Iran, adding the security forces would catch any American who did.

Iranian media has been gripped by a kind of "flying object" fever with dozens of reported sightings in recent weeks. State-run media has reported numerous sightings of unknown objects flying over parts of Iran where nuclear facilities are located.

The objects were spotted near Natanz — which has a uranium enrichment plant — and Isfahan, which has a facility for producing uranium hexaflouride gas, the feedstock for enriching uranium.

Uranium enriched to low grades is used for fuel in nuclear reactors. Further enrichment makes it suitable for atomic bombs.
From (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear_13)

[SHAM]

Why do they nead to "threaten" to shoot them down, why dont they just go ahead and do it. It is there air space afterall.

I am guessing Richard Branson wont be flying any of his balloons through the area for a while p-)

[Bluezoo]

Why do they nead to "threaten" to shoot them down, why dont they just go ahead and do it. It is there air space afterall.

I am guessing Richard Branson wont be flying any of his balloons through the area for a while p-)

rofl

[oldsoak]

What goes up must come down when they fire those things.. Before long, I wonder if any missiles fired at alleged US drones miss and come down with a bang in someones front room. If it does, bet you the US gets accused of bombing Iran.

[Midav]

What goes up must come down when they fire those things.. Before long, I wonder if any missiles fired at alleged US drones miss and come down with a bang in someones front room. If it does, bet you the US gets accused of bombing Iran.

If memory serves me correctly, SAM's have a self destruct mechanism if they miss their target.

But I agree. It's their territory... they should just fire...

[usa320]

im betting they are using Global hawks or even X-45 type Stealth drones instead of predators.

[SHAM]

im betting they are using Global hawks or even X-45 type Stealth drones instead of predators.

I read somewhere of 35000 feet, can predators go that high?

[Jobu]

What goes up must come down when they fire those things.. Before long, I wonder if any missiles fired at alleged US drones miss and come down with a bang in someones front room. If it does, bet you the US gets accused of bombing Iran.

What do you think that explosion in Besehr (sp?) was this morning?

:lol:

[johnyjee]

talk****'...
iran cant ****ing aim

[usa320]

im betting they are using Global hawks or even X-45 type Stealth drones instead of predators.

I read somewhere of 35000 feet, can predators go that high?


thats most likely their max operating altitude, but im guessing they arent operate often at those heights, as it would put alot of stress on the turboprop engine.

Global Hawk on the other hand is jet powered and could operate all the way up to 60,000 feet.

[Zander]

talk****'...
iran cant f*** aim

how old are you?

[bison3255]

they only have 2 S-300 batteries lol, not enough to combat USAF, but theyll bag a few hornets.

[Laworkerbee]

they only have 2 S-300 batteries lol, not enough to combat USAF, but theyll bag a few hornets.

I'll bet you a round of drinks

US Navy Hornet Flackbuster and Wild Weasel crews VS Iranian's using Russian SAMS anyday of the week my friend

[Trigger]

they only have 2 S-300 batteries lol, not enough to combat USAF, but theyll bag a few hornets.

I'll bet you a round of drinks

US Navy Hornet Flackbuster and Wild Weasel crews VS Iranian's using Russian SAMS anyday of the week my friend
Stop it. You're interrupting his solo-*** session. :roll:

[Zander]

they only have 2 S-300 batteries lol, not enough to combat USAF, but theyll bag a few hornets.

what about others updated missiles?

[usa320]

they only have 2 S-300 batteries lol, not enough to combat USAF, but theyll bag a few hornets.

I'll bet you a round of drinks

US Navy Hornet Flackbuster and Wild Weasel crews VS Iranian's using Russian SAMS anyday of the week my friend
Stop it. You're interrupting his solo-*** session. :roll:

no, he was merely reminding him his hand isnt a lover...


Helll, id put two rounds of drinks, my car and my apartment down that the USAF or USN would ****kick the Iranians.

[usa320]

they only have 2 S-300 batteries lol, not enough to combat USAF, but theyll bag a few hornets.

what about others updated missiles?

nothing the Iranians have can stop the US air forces.

Durring the gulf war, Iraq had THE air defense system around baghdad. And it did a whole lot of nothing.

SAM sites are useless. personally, i think defensive equipment in general is useless. The best defense always will be a powerful and quick moving offense. And the Iranians lack that. Their strategy is suited more to the conventional battle of the 1980's, not the high tech, high mobility battle of today.

[Trigger]

they only have 2 S-300 batteries lol, not enough to combat USAF, but theyll bag a few hornets.

what about others updated missiles?
You mean the ones that are lucky enough to survive the first wave of stealth fighters?

[usa320]

they only have 2 S-300 batteries lol, not enough to combat USAF, but theyll bag a few hornets.

what about others updated missiles?
You mean the ones that are lucky enough to survive the first wave of stealth fighters?

you wouldnt even have to take out the missile sites.

The Iranians, like the Iraqis and Vietnamese, rely on the age old tradition of using a centralized GCI site to coordintate all their air defenses. You take out that site, and their air defenses are basically done for. They still do pose a threat, and will eventually need to be hit, but they wont be integrated or coordinated in anyway, shape, or even form.

[bison3255]

Apart from those 2 batteries they dont have anything worth coordinating lol.

Wild weasels would get show down by S-300 for breakfast along with their HARMS :roll: or just move the SAM 10 feet to the right and turn off radar and watch the HARM miss :roll:

[Trigger]

Apart from those 2 batteries they dont have anything worth coordinating lol.

Wild weasels would get show down by S-300 for breakfast along with their HARMS :roll: or just move the SAM 10 feet to the right and turn off radar and watch the HARM miss :roll:
Helloooooo?
The topic is Iran, not Vietnam.
Welcome to 2005.

[Zander]

they only have 2 S-300 batteries lol, not enough to combat USAF, but theyll bag a few hornets.

what about others updated missiles?
You mean the ones that are lucky enough to survive the first wave of stealth fighters?

you wouldnt even have to take out the missile sites.

The Iranians, like the Iraqis and Vietnamese, rely on the age old tradition of using a centralized GCI site to coordintate all their air defenses. You take out that site, and their air defenses are basically done for. They still do pose a threat, and will eventually need to be hit, but they wont be integrated or coordinated in anyway, shape, or even form.

you clearly know nothing about iran so shut up

[usa320]

Wild weasels would get show down by S-300 for breakfast along with their HARMS or just move the SAM 10 feet to the right and turn off radar and watch the HARM miss

You wouldnt have time to move the SAM once the missile was launched. Even if you moved it 10 feet, it would still be taken out by the frag warhead of the HARM. And HARM seeks the Radar, not the missile launcher. And the radar is mounted on a trailer, so it would take quite a while to move it.

Chances are, they would be getting hit with jamming anyways, so they would be useless. Wild Weasel flights (SEAD) dont go in alone. They get support from EW assets, mainly the EA-6B's and now E/A-18's. The jamming creates returns on the radar, and they will try and target those false returns, and when they do, the strike aircraft come in low and fast and pop up and bomb the sight.

Chances are though, the sites would get whacked from a distance by AGM-154's, AGM-158's and TLAM's. Harms probably wouldnt be the first choice of weapon.

[bison3255]

Chances are a system designed to survive jamming and shoot down TLAMs would do a pretty good job at it. Oh, and each S-300 battery can engage 24 targets. The GARM is pretty easy to counter- turn off the radar for a bit and move the radar behind a hill or whatever. If the radars are only used to engage aircraft at close range where there is a high proability of a kill they will do OK.

The Iranians can also simply use older or meterological radars (metric/decimetric), whose signals will bounce around the countryside, confusing HARMs.

http://www.wonderland.org.nz/nw/clamshell_radar.htm
"Clam Shell" will improve the coverage of S-300 batteries tasked with engaging terrain-following strike aircraft and low flying cruise missiles, providing 360 coverage out to the radar horizon. For a target at 500ft altitude, this could be as great as 93km (50nm) subject to terrain, weather, and antenna placement in elevation. While the basic mobile "Flap Lid B" arrangement is unable to exploit this capability effectively, should the mast mounted "Flap Lid A" variant be employed ( a system originally fielded with early S-300P SA-10a), the system can cover a low altitude footprint in excess of 6,700km (1900nm) square. Setup time for the 40V6M mast is quoted at 1hr, while the taller 40V6M2 requires two hours to site, deploy and elevate. These are viable deployment times for strategic fixed deployment, and tactical semi-mobile deployment, should pre-surveyed sites be employed. System mean time between failure (MTBF) is quoted at 100hr, and mean time to repair (MTTR) is 0.5hr.

[usa320]

Chances are a system designed to survive jamming and shoot down TLAMs would do a pretty good job at it. Oh, and each S-300 battery can engage 24 targets. The GARM is pretty easy to counter- turn off the radar for a bit and move the radar behind a hill or whatever. If the radars are only used to engage aircraft at close range where there is a high proability of a kill they will do OK.

The Iranians can also simply use older or meterological radars (metric/decimetric), whose signals will bounce around the countryside, confusing HARMs.

http://www.wonderland.org.nz/nw/clamshell_radar.htm
"Clam Shell" will improve the coverage of S-300 batteries tasked with engaging terrain-following strike aircraft and low flying cruise missiles, providing 360 coverage out to the radar horizon. For a target at 500ft altitude, this could be as great as 93km (50nm) subject to terrain, weather, and antenna placement in elevation. While the basic mobile "Flap Lid B" arrangement is unable to exploit this capability effectively, should the mast mounted "Flap Lid A" variant be employed ( a system originally fielded with early S-300P SA-10a), the system can cover a low altitude footprint in excess of 6,700km (1900nm) square. Setup time for the 40V6M mast is quoted at 1hr, while the taller 40V6M2 requires two hours to site, deploy and elevate. These are viable deployment times for strategic fixed deployment, and tactical semi-mobile deployment, should pre-surveyed sites be employed. System mean time between failure (MTBF) is quoted at 100hr, and mean time to repair (MTTR) is 0.5hr.


Iran cant even shoot down an unmanned drone that stands out like a sore thumb on radar, and you think they are going to be able to shoot down a cruise missile or low flying fast movers?

[bison3255]

Shooting it down would reveal a bit too much positions for their own good. Unless they scramble a couple F-14's which dont fall apart in midair from lack of spare parts and use a Phoenix.

[usa320]

Unless they scramble a couple F-14's which dont fall apart in midair from lack of spare parts

Apparently, Iranian planes do tend to fall apart midair.

[Sayeret]

Apart from those 2 batteries they dont have anything worth coordinating lol.

Wild weasels would get show down by S-300 for breakfast along with their HARMS :roll: or just move the SAM 10 feet to the right and turn off radar and watch the HARM miss :roll:

The AGM-88 HARM can detect a radar even if it's off, if it was on a few minutes before. The AGM-45 Shrike Missile could not but more moder anit-radiation missiles can.

[Pooga]

or just move the SAM 10 feet to the right and turn off radar and watch the HARM miss :roll:
Helloooooo?
The topic is Iran, not Vietnam.
Welcome to 2005.

Haha!

[bison3255]

Welcome to 1999... would be optimistic to give HARMS 5% success rate there

[Pooga]

I'd bet a buck three-eighty and a cup of coffee that said pilots will commit suicide at the gates of Tehran pretty soon here.

[Pooga]

Welcome to 1999... would be optimistic to give HARMS 5% success rate there

Isn't it 2005? Something like that?

[bison3255]

Welcome to 1999... would be optimistic to give HARMS 5% success rate there

Isn't it 2005? Something like that?Yes, the USAF has had revolutionary advances since then. The B-2's and F=117's have been replaced with new uber omfgzinvinciblelolz type aircraft, HARMs are no longer in use....
...need I go on :roll:

[Laworkerbee]

Haha Bison

Russias Uber SAM's have a success rate of something like 2% for export missles, missles the Russians knew would more likely used than the ones they kept in inventory

Which makes me wonder how efficient Russia's air defence grid is or ever was?.

I'll still buy ya a drink :hug:

[bison3255]

and in how much situations have missiles more recent than SA-9 been used?

[Trigger]

and in how much situations have missiles more recent than SA-9 been used?
Why don't you tell us?
You're the 'expert' (at least in your own mind).

[bison3255]

Close to 0 ;) maybe some Igla usage in the Balkans and Iraq

[Migman]

Isn't it 2005? Something like that?

Bison meant 1999 in the sense that HARMs sucked ass in Kosovo.

let's just bomb usa320's house

[bison3255]

let's just bomb usa320's housebut if there are no american trolls I wont have a reason to be a russian troll :(

[usa320]

let's just bomb usa320's house

i wish i had my own house.

:|

Apartments suck balls. I figure i might look into a house in a year or two once we are married, which hopefully will happen sometime in the summer...

[budgie]

im betting they are using Global hawks or even X-45 type Stealth drones instead of predators.

Ditto. If Iran is threatening to shoot them down instead of actually shooting them down that prolly means they can't find them

[Shiftyfive]

Why do they nead to "threaten" to shoot them down, why dont they just go ahead and do it. It is there air space afterall.

I am guessing Richard Branson wont be flying any of his balloons through the area for a while p-)

Bingo! - not much more you can say.

[BadKarma26]

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/airdefence/s300_1.jpg

This thing looks like a piece of **** on wheels. I don't know much about ADA but this thing is going to get blown the **** up.

[BadKarma26]

i mean **** look at it. it almost looks like it wants someone to blow it up...maybe its a Russian ****Y TRAP!

[RGRBOX]

On the BBC they said that the Iranians have been seeing shiny things up in the ski, and believe these are drone, I though those were STARS..... rofl
What a bunch of Muhla Fockers...

[xwar]

It is agreed that the USAF would have almost a cake-walk with Iran... but how is their armor etc? Or would it not even matter since being air superiority = dead tanks?

Thoughts

[toki]

I don't get the point of this thread. We all know that the us will have air superiority. So what. The us can bomb the **** out of iran. It would make more sense to talk about a possible(!) ground war and post war tactics IF we talk about an Invasion of iran. It's so easy to say "yes the usaf can bomb the **** out of these molaf***". What's the point of it? Btw i do not use molaf***. Just 15 year olds talk like this. ("Bomb the camel-jockeys" = :cantbeli: )

[toki]

On the BBC they said that the Iranians have been seeing shiny things up in the ski, and believe these are drone, I though those were STARS..... rofl
What a bunch of Muhla Fockers...

hey kid... i know it's asked to much of you. Make a point or just shut up. That name giving is just unbelievable low. I personally know alot of iranians. Two of them in iran. A tough place to live. But the iranians i know are very decent people. Maybe i'm the only one in this forum who is pissed by that. So zip it :slap: .

[sp2c]

so they are going to shoot down unmanned recon drones?

who really cares??

imo do it, if they are tresspassing you can shoot them down, that's how it works you don't really need advanced warnings for that ... I doubt the US would send out warnings first before shooting it down, I wouldn't do that either!

imo they are just trying to stir the pot, I highly doubt there are US drones flying over Iran and if they are there then Iran must not be capable of shooting them down either way they make themself look stupid

[toki]

so they are going to shoot down unmanned recon drones?

who really cares??

imo do it, if they are tresspassing you can shoot them down, that's how it works you don't really need advanced warnings for that ... I doubt the US would send out warnings first before shooting it down, I wouldn't do that either!

imo they are just trying to stir the pot, I highly doubt there are US drones flying over Iran and if they are there then Iran must not be capable of shooting them down either way they make themself look stupid

agree. the media puts all intention to the iran-topic right now. like the "explosion" that was man made by construction workers trying to build some kinda tunnel with tnt. rofl. If iran catches a drone they should shoot it and proof it. THEN the U.S. maybe has to give an explanation. But they won't send low flying drones over teheran or things like that. :)

[sp2c]

exactly

that man-made-explosion/attack-on-nuclear-reactor/dropped-fuel-tank made me laugh though so that was allright woot

[RGRBOX]

On the BBC they said that the Iranians have been seeing shiny things up in the ski, and believe these are drone, I though those were STARS..... rofl
What a bunch of Muhla Fockers...

hey kid... i know it's asked to much of you. Make a point or just shut up. That name giving is just unbelievable low. I personally know alot of iranians. Two of them in iran. A tough place to live. But the iranians i know are very decent people. Maybe i'm the only one in this forum who is pissed by that. So zip it :slap: .

Who are you calling KID! Been there and done that. The Iranians are good people, and they are waiting for us to get involved... I guess it's better to get pissed then to get pissed on... The Iranians I've spoke to have had enough of the Muhla, that's why the remark...They believ that th eMuhlas made big promises before the revolution , and have been screwing the people ever sine, the Mulhas are the government, that's what ma staement ment.... People speak before the know the whole story...

So shut up shuten up!!!! :slap: :slap: :slap: :slap: