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2RHPZ
02-16-2005, 12:51 PM
Britain was not a war zone, French tell SOE woman

By Colin Randall in Paris

An author who served in Winston Churchill's "secret army", the SOE, preparing agents to be dropped into Nazi-occupied France, is making a final attempt to convince the French she should be treated as a war veteran.

In her largely unnoticed struggle with the French authorities over the past 14 years, Noreen Riols has been repeatedly rebuffed with arguments that include the claim that Britain was "not a war zone".

One letter from a French official stated that the Special Operations Executive was not an operational unit, despite losing 104 agents on French soil or in German captivity.

"The attitude of my own country makes me feel ashamed," said Mrs Riols's French husband, Jacques. "It embarrasses me as a Frenchman." Mrs Riols, who has dual nationality, is 78 and her husband will be 84 next month. Both are in good health but accept that in appealing to Michèle Alliot-Marie, the French defence minister, they are making their last attempt to force a change of heart.

In an impassioned letter to the minister, Mr Riols describes his "indignation" at his wife's treatment. "My wife, who fought for France, adopted it as her own country and has become deeply attached to it despite everything, surely merits more consideration."

Among SOE's 39 female operatives - 13 of whom never returned from missions - were a dancer, a Leeds-born Paris fashion designer and an Indian princess.

Noreen Riols, a naval rating's daughter who had been sent to the French Lycee in London to nurture her flair for languages, was not an agent. But, still in her teens, she played a vital role in the training and vetting of those hoping to be infiltrated into occupied France.

She felt particular injustice on learning that women who worked for Gen Charles de Gaulle's parallel London-based organisation were recognised by France even if their duties were purely clerical.

Gen de Gaulle opposed the work of SOE's F Section, seeing it as part of an Anglo-Saxon plot to steal the Resistance's glory.

After the war, Mrs Riols worked at the BBC World Service, where she met her future husband.

Later settling in France, she wrote a series of wartime romances; one, Eye of the Storm, sold more than 30,000 copies in Britain alone.

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/02/16/wsoe16.xml)

panzerjager
02-16-2005, 02:51 PM
So, the claim that Britain was "not a war zone" means all the folks that died from German bombs were just "airtravel accidents"?

Man, that's going to throw off the statistics from 1940-45.

Roger Rabbit
02-16-2005, 04:48 PM
1. An area in which military combat takes place.


I guess it depends on whether you consider air combat a war zone or not. Also depends on what you consider a war veteran. Were the soldiers who trained others to go to war in Vietnam without actually stepping foot in Vietnam veterans or not?
women who worked for Gen Charles de Gaulle's parallel London-based organisation were recognised by France even if their duties were purely clerical Taking this into consideration then i see no reason why this woman should not be denied veteran status.

oldsoak
02-16-2005, 04:58 PM
If she served in the military or in one of those funny goverment sections we dont talk about, and she was in wartime UK, that qualifies surely ? If she doesnt qualify, I wonder how the French would treat USAAC groundcrew ? You know, the blokes who laboured day and night in all sorts of weather to make sure that pilots had planes to do nasty things with. I'm quite sure former members of the French resistance would have a few words to say on her behalf. In fact I'm sure most of France would be on her side.

fantassin
02-17-2005, 11:39 AM
Another case of 25th hour resistance fighter.

If she wanted to bask in the glory of real SOE agent, simple; she just had to drop her typewriter and ask for an operational posting.

oldsoak
02-17-2005, 12:36 PM
I think you are being a little harsh - for every secret agent there exists a number of support personnel - people ranging from linguists to tailors. Without the work of these people, the operational tour of an agent might be somewhat short and violent. No one is asking that she gets a medal reserved for combat troops, just that she be recognised as a veteran.

martinexsquaddie
02-18-2005, 07:33 AM
people working for de gualle vetrans
people working for perfidious albion SOE not vetrans(':(')

fantassin
02-18-2005, 02:21 PM
http://users.senet.com.au/~wingman/other71.jpg

Another load of crap; this Free French pilot, Pierre Closterman, DSO, DFC* flew most of the war as part of the RAF, shooting down 33 german planes in the process and he is recognized as a veteran.

But he spent the war as the controls of Spitfires and Tempests, not behind a typing machine.

De Gaulle was rightly unhappy about the British trying to shape the post-liberation France behind his back, hence the tempestuous relationship with F section SOE.

Virus
02-18-2005, 09:22 PM
Another case of 25th hour resistance fighter.

If she wanted to bask in the glory of real SOE agent, simple; she just had to drop her typewriter and ask for an operational posting.

From what your saying then, de gaulle's women clerks do not deserve veteren status.

Bluezoo
02-19-2005, 04:22 PM
Another case of 25th hour resistance fighter.

If she wanted to bask in the glory of real SOE agent, simple; she just had to drop her typewriter and ask for an operational posting.

From what your saying then, de gaulle's women clerks do not deserve veteren status.

rofl they are sexytaries. :lol:

Virus
02-20-2005, 01:23 AM
:D

bloddyaxe
02-20-2005, 07:07 AM
Its pretty simple... the message the french government is sending that woman is; "move back to your country, we don't want you fillthy anglo-saxon!"