What the hell!?

[Splinter26]

What are these morons doing with Ranger Tabs on their BDU's? This is freaking ridicilous, isn't there a law that prohibits this crap from happening? People can just buy SEAL Tridents, Rangers tabs, and Special Forces patches and wear them and no one does anything about it? F***ing idiotic wannabes, these patches are earned with sweat, tears and pain, I doubt these geeks even know what kind of personal sacrifice and dedication it takes to rightfully wear these. I've never seen **** this pathetic in my life before. Sorry if I'm flipping out guys, I just can't stand these damn phoneys anymore. What is the issue with this, is this illegal or not? It should be.


http://www.swatbiggame.com/Airsoft/bg2k3pics/hot.jpg

http://www.swatbiggame.com/Airsoft/bg2k3pics/eat%7Ethis.jpg
D.O.R.K.


http://www.swatbiggame.com/Airsoft/bg2k3pics/wot%7Eu%7Elukkin%7Eat.jpg

Look at Fat Joe here, Ranger my ass. He looks like he just ate his battalion's entire MREs supply. Someone make him run a mile, I wanna see if he still wants to play Rangers.

[Ratamacue]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3891

[wholagun]

totally disprespects actual SF and thier hard work.. these lame asses wouldn't stand a chance against any SF guy, what a bunch of losers.. Those dumb pieces of **** should get a life, and stop pretending. So lame.

[SFontaine]

Grow the **** up all of you. None of them are claiming they're real SF. They're just pretending. It's called an imagination. ****.

[USMarine3521]

wow ranger tab on his hat rofl rofl

[bishop1]

Yeah, i mean, i play airsoft with Ranger tabs on my uniform when i play as a Ranger, i mean no disrespect, im not in the military (yet) but i know that probably a reg leg would kick my ass without breaking a sweat, i feel that if im going to equip and dress up as a Ranger, i should have it be authentic as well. I respect people in uniform, ecspecially from our great country more than anything. I used to be on a team that modeled itself after Force recon units, and quite a few Marines didnt like that, but a few did as well, they just said not to disgrace ourselves and to be honest, and if we do that and try to uphold their unit as well as we can, theyre ok with it.

[Jacko]

Wow. You took a thread directly from another part of the forums just so yet another flame war could be started. How many idiots looking for a fight can this site be host to? Am I the only one who thinks this place would actually be better off without the forums and commentary?

[redhawk_six]

First, it is not illegal.

Second, they are just peices of fabric! Relax! None of them are claiming to actully be SF, and they mean know disrespect, in fact, they mean the exact oppisite. A lot of you guys put WAY to much meaning into these little peices of fabric. They're just patches for christs sake!

Relax, you'll live longer, and, god forbid, you might actully have fun for once.

[oates]

They're not even from the US, so laws would not affect them. Anyway, I'd take it of a sign of admiration that people from another country admire your forces, but hey, that's just my take on it, I can see your point as well. That's whats great about what the people that wear those badges for real fight for, our freedom to do as we wish.

[Argyll]

Why didn't you reply to this in the relevant section?
Also they're photo's and ther'es a section here for that too..........just looks like you're trolling,and trying to stir up ****!?

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

OK so if I wear a NY Yankees jersey and dont play baseball does that me me a f*cking idiot? Would the NY Yankees be disgraced because a Canadian wore there jersey? Do I claim to be "Kobe Bryant" when I wear my Lakers jersey? Hell I lick ass when it comes to basketball, does it disgrace Kobe Bryant when I wear his jersey yet cant score a basket for the life of me?

Personally I dont model my airsoft gear after any unit, I dont wear any patches and does claim to be something that I am not. I play for enjoyment, I also play for excercise. I know

So what about WW2 re-enactors? What about people who dress up in era specific gear? For example some games I have seen on the internet are setup so everyone wears same type of gear from Vietnam, does it disgrace the veterans?

I agree with Argyll. Splinter26,wholagun get lives and quit trolling on airsoft players.

[martinexsquaddie]

I'd love to see you get the FBI to extradite someone for the crime of wearing US military badges rofl rofl rofl rofl
maybe you could send delta after them :D
oh no I've broken opsec the balck helicopter oh no helllppppppp :cantbeli:

[mocking_loudly_died]

Man, this topic has been beaten to death.

[Splinter26]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3891

Ratamacue, thank you for showing me these polls. Although most of them are answered by non military voters, "Only if the guy was/in the military and earned it" still wins with 41% and it proves my point.


Grow the f*** up all of you. None of them are claiming they're real SF. They're just pretending. It's called an imagination. f***.

You don't have to "claim" it to be a phoney, it's in the presentation itself, they are impersonating the real US Army Rangers, so you grow up.



Yeah, i mean, i play airsoft with Ranger tabs on my uniform when i play as a Ranger, i mean no disrespect, im not in the military (yet) but i know that probably a reg leg would kick my ass without breaking a sweat, i feel that if im going to equip and dress up as a Ranger, i should have it be authentic as well. I respect people in uniform, ecspecially from our great country more than anything. I used to be on a team that modeled itself after Force recon units, and quite a few Marines didnt like that, but a few did as well, they just said not to disgrace ourselves and to be honest, and if we do that and try to uphold their unit as well as we can, theyre ok with it.

It's not about who can beat whose ass ... most of these guys don't mean disrespect, but truth is, wearing a patch you did not earn is in fact, disrespect. If you want to uphold some Army or whatever branch's unit, then try to respect them and their history a little bit, believe me no one in the military likes impersonators, whether you're claiming or you're just pretending.



Wow. You took a thread directly from another part of the forums just so yet another flame war could be started. How many idiots looking for a fight can this site be host to? Am I the only one who thinks this place would actually be better off without the forums and commentary?

Yes I did Jacko, and I'm sorry for doing it, I don't visit this board a lot and I don't know if same people post in airsoft and general forum. Anyway, I didn't try to stir up a fire, but maybe avoid some comments from airsofters themselves and maybe get some response from those intelligent ones.


First, it is not illegal.

Second, they are just peices of fabric! Relax! None of them are claiming to actully be SF, and they mean know disrespect, in fact, they mean the exact oppisite. A lot of you guys put WAY to much meaning into these little peices of fabric. They're just patches for christs sake!

Relax, you'll live longer, and, god forbid, you might actully have fun for once.

See red, you're exactly the same type like those phoneys, you think it's just a "piece of fabric". Well, let me tell you, it isn't just a piece of fabric, it's something much, much more. But hey, I don't really expect you to understand so I won't expend on this now... And believe me, I have more fun in my life without pretending I'm something that I'm not, so thanks for advice.



They're not even from the US, so laws would not affect them. Anyway, I'd take it of a sign of admiration that people from another country admire your forces, but hey, that's just my take on it, I can see your point as well. That's whats great about what the people that wear those badges for real fight for, our freedom to do as we wish.

Exactly oates, if they want to show a sign of admiration, then they should make a nice poster with "I love US Army Rangers" sign. Impersonating our guys is hardly found as a way of admiring them especially by the real Rangers.


Why didn't you reply to this in the relevant section?
Also they're photo's and ther'es a section here for that too..........just looks like you're trolling,and trying to stir up ****!?

Oh, sorry for starting a new section buddy. Send me the bill later.



OK so if I wear a NY Yankees jersey and dont play baseball does that me me a f*cking idiot? Would the NY Yankees be disgraced because a Canadian wore there jersey? Do I claim to be "Kobe Bryant" when I wear my Lakers jersey? Hell I lick ass when it comes to basketball, does it disgrace Kobe Bryant when I wear his jersey yet cant score a basket for the life of me?

Personally I dont model my airsoft gear after any unit, I dont wear any patches and does claim to be something that I am not. I play for enjoyment, I also play for excercise. I know

So what about WW2 re-enactors? What about people who dress up in era specific gear? For example some games I have seen on the internet are setup so everyone wears same type of gear from Vietnam, does it disgrace the veterans?

I agree with Argyll. Splinter26,wholagun get lives and quit trolling on airsoft players.

What you just said Basta had a tremendous effect in the decrease of my IQ. You are comparing sports team jerseys to a military unit patches? Some people say **** so dumb I don't even know how to answer ... Professional re-enactors is a different case, it is mostly done for a purpose of education of others. I never heard about airsofters re-enacting Vietnam, and if they did, it wouldn't make it any different if they just did it for the sake of being a dork. But anyway, I'd like for you to post me some links so I can look at these games and see if anything positive can be drawn from them.

PS

Sorry for "trolling" on airsofters, you wear military patches so I assumed you'd be hard enough not to start crying cuz of what I say about you.


I'd love to see you get the FBI to extradite someone for the crime of wearing US military badges rofl rofl rofl rofl
maybe you could send delta after them :D
oh no I've broken opsec the balck helicopter oh no helllppppppp :cantbeli:

Sounds like a damn good plan Martin p-) , but unfortunately there is no penalty to those who wear bought military patches. I wonder how many airsofters out there actually claim to be former this and former that when they really aren't, I can bet there is plenty because some of the people that actually claim to serve in the past play airsoft. Sucks that just impersonating can't get you locked up for 1 year with a fine of $100,000 just like actual claiming can.



I don't expect you all to understand, maybe someday you will ... If you don't consider it a big deal and think military patches are just pieces of fabric that can be bought and worn by anyone, then I guess I just can't help the ignorance ... but you should know that to those who have been there and done that, and for the guys that watched their mates die in combat, it is considered a big deal.

[Splinter26]

"Those who undertake to impersonate US Navy SEALs, for whatever purpose, are a disgraceful insult to every man and woman who ever served honorably in any branch of America's armed forces..."

Steve Robinson
former US Navy SEAL



PS

And that goes for other units as well, including US Army Rangers.

IMPERSONATE - To assume the character or appearance of, especially fraudulently: impersonate a police officer.
To imitate the appearance, voice, or manner of; mimic: an entertainer who impersonates celebrities.

[Argyll]

Did you post the same reply in the same section that this was pulled from.

Face it ,are theses guys going to listen to the likes of you,or any of us for that matter?

[Splinter26]

Did you post the same reply in the same section that this was pulled from.

Face it ,are theses guys going to listen to the likes of you,or any of us for that matter?



It's not about my likes and dislikes Argyll, it's about the respect for the men and women in the uniform. I already faced it, I don't expect 20 idiots to look in the mirror and admit to themselves how silly they are, but maybe 1 will, and that is an accomplishment



"I don't expect you all to understand, maybe someday you will ... If you don't consider it a big deal and think military patches are just pieces of fabric that can be bought and worn by anyone, then I guess I just can't help the ignorance ... but you should know that to those who have been there and done that, and for the guys that watched their mates die in combat, it is considered a big deal.


"Those who undertake to impersonate US Navy SEALs, for whatever purpose, are a disgraceful insult to every man and woman who ever served honorably in any branch of America's armed forces..."

Steve Robinson
former US Navy SEAL



PS

And that goes for other units as well, including US Army Rangers.

IMPERSONATE - To assume the character or appearance of, especially fraudulently: impersonate a police officer.
To imitate the appearance, voice, or manner of; mimic: an entertainer who impersonates celebrities."

[mocking_loudly_died]

Who gives a f*ck?

Is this your mission in life?

[Splinter26]

Who gives a f*ck?

Is this your mission in life?


Obviously not you. No it isn't a mission in my life, it's more like a hobby, I like to pick on phoneys and exposing them from time to time, that's all.



"I don't expect you all to understand, maybe someday you will ... If you don't consider it a big deal and think military patches are just pieces of fabric that can be bought and worn by anyone, then I guess I just can't help the ignorance ... but you should know that to those who have been there and done that, and for the guys that watched their mates die in combat, it is considered a big deal.


"Those who undertake to impersonate US Navy SEALs, for whatever purpose, are a disgraceful insult to every man and woman who ever served honorably in any branch of America's armed forces..."

Steve Robinson
former US Navy SEAL



PS

And that goes for other units as well, including US Army Rangers.

IMPERSONATE - To assume the character or appearance of, especially fraudulently: impersonate a police officer.
To imitate the appearance, voice, or manner of; mimic: an entertainer who impersonates celebrities."

[Argyll]

There's a difference in being a phoney and an airsofter


Phoneys will claim to have been something they were not,and airsofters just play at what they're not!

I could use the very same argument about why grown men,that are NOT in the military feel the need to wear cammies at all,patches or no patches!

Whilst you say you like to expose phoney's,what makes you an authority for doing so?If you're a BTDT then fair play,I am too,but I don't lose sleep over these pics mate!

[96B]

I have no problem with role playing and war gaming but I've always associated that kind of thing when you are a teenager or younger, not a grown man. It still does not much bother me but I do find it very funny sometimes such as in these pictures particularly the "badass" looking fat guy. For many people that couldnt join the military because of some physical problem, this is the next best thing and I respect that as long as no one goes around claiming they are the real thing even if people know its a lie because it is a disrespect to impersonate those brave men. Hell, I would have purchased quite a bit of airsoft gear had I made more money back in high school.

Your definition of impersonating is accurate, but in my eyes when those guys are playing war on their mock battlefields they are role playing not impersonating. Impersonating would imply that they get a military haircut and go around telling people that they are actually in the military and are a SEAL/Ranger/Recon etc etc not simply role playing one on an imaginary battlefield. The people that actually do go out and claim to be the real thing ARE a disgrace and a disrespect to the men who actually earned the right to call themselves SEAL, Ranger, or Marine etc.

[mocking_loudly_died]

This topic is as exciting as cancer.

Boo hoo, some dudes are playing army men.

Unless you are in the military you have little to no right of being the guardian of morality splinter.

You sound like you have been having way to much *** with your SEAL books.

Christ, is it just me or is the world full of pedantic fairy puffs?

[exoninja]

If you wear a shirt that Linkin' Park wears, does that mean anyone can whack you and say, "eh! You think you're Linkin' Park?"

[Splinter26]

Argyll


I'm not addressing all airsofters here, just those who wear patches they did not earn. Here me out what I'm saying cuz I've said it before, you don't have to "claim" it, it's all in the appearance and the presentation itself. If you wear a patch that isn't rightfully yours, you are a sad phoney. If you wear a patch and/or claim you're a member of whatever unit or battalion, you're even a sadder phoney. I never earned a patch like that myself, I'm still too young for it, but I listened to those who did.

If grown men want to wear cammies and play rambo in the backyard, then let them, but if they want patches then I'm guessing they are old enough to enlist and work for that patch, not just buy them in a store.

Authority? Who's to authorize me to do this? I never heard of having to obtain a permission to expose phoneys, but if there is a law on this then please let me know. I'm not a BTDT, brother and few friends are. I'm surprised you're not agreeing with me on this if you're a BTDT Argyll, makes me think that you are either lieing about who you are, or that you are not very proud of your unit.

I sleep just fine, thank you for the concern :hug:

"I don't expect you all to understand, maybe someday you will ... If you don't consider it a big deal and think military patches are just pieces of fabric that can be bought and worn by anyone, then I guess I just can't help the ignorance ... but you should know that to those who have been there and done that, and for the guys that watched their mates die in combat, it is considered a big deal.


"Those who undertake to impersonate US Navy SEALs, for whatever purpose, are a disgraceful insult to every man and woman who ever served honorably in any branch of America's armed forces..."

Steve Robinson
former US Navy SEAL



PS

And that goes for other units as well, including US Army Rangers.

IMPERSONATE - To assume the character or appearance of, especially fraudulently: impersonate a police officer.
To imitate the appearance, voice, or manner of; mimic: an entertainer who impersonates celebrities."

[Saranof]

Some guys I play airsoft with wear airborne insignias. In fact, our uniform is basicly 93' Ranger.

By this, we don't say we are rangers. We don't think we are. Some of us do want to be, and one is moving back to the US to join up.

We wear the stuff, because it's cool! It looks good.

Someone said that it showed disrespetc for the servicemen who have died and so on.
Well, I hardly think that Ranger John Doe will get pissed because we think that it looks good, and we play our little games in the uniform. If you get pissed by that then join up and shut up, if I was in I would just think that they needed to do the real thing.
Which most of us are planning to do.

[Splinter26]

I have no problem with role playing and war gaming but I've always associated that kind of thing when you are a teenager or younger, not a grown man. It still does not much bother me but I do find it very funny sometimes such as in these pictures particularly the "badass" looking fat guy. For many people that couldnt join the military because of some physical problem, this is the next best thing and I respect that as long as no one goes around claiming they are the real thing even if people know its a lie because it is a disrespect to impersonate those brave men. Hell, I would have purchased quite a bit of airsoft gear had I made more money back in high school.

Your definition of impersonating is accurate, but in my eyes when those guys are playing war on their mock battlefields they are role playing not impersonating. Impersonating would imply that they get a military haircut and go around telling people that they are actually in the military and are a SEAL/Ranger/Recon etc etc not simply role playing one on an imaginary battlefield. The people that actually do go out and claim to be the real thing ARE a disgrace and a disrespect to the men who actually earned the right to call themselves SEAL, Ranger, or Marine etc.


Semperfi, although I have to disagree with some of the stuff you are saying, I thank you for being the first to write an intelligent response. I respect your opinion and how you see it in your eyes.

[Splinter26]

If you wear a shirt that Linkin' Park wears, does that mean anyone can whack you and say, "eh! You think you're Linkin' Park?"

My IQ has been lowered again.

[Uncle Sam]

I wear the Ranger tab because I went through Ranger school. Now. for a civilian, who as never been in the military, and especially has never went through the school, to wear the Ranger tab or Scroll, only if they claim to have done these things. is being disrespectful. And being a liar too....I have no problem with someone wearing these things in role play.

[Splinter26]

This topic is as exciting as cancer.

Boo hoo, some dudes are playing army men.

Unless you are in the military you have little to no right of being the guardian of morality splinter.

You sound like you have been having way to much *** with your SEAL books.

Christ, is it just me or is the world full of pedantic fairy puffs?



You are not very bright are you mocking, I keep stating my point and you're still ain't getting it. Go to Toys R Us store, buy your plastic water guns, and play army men all you want for as long as you desire. But don't wear a patch that you never sweated your ass off for. You say what is the big deal about wearing patches, why do't you tell me what is the big deal in not wearing patches? It's not like you won't shoot as good without one on is it? You didn't earn it, don't wear it. Sometimes I have an impression like I'm asking you to turn water into wine here.

PS

SEAL books? lol I read 1 SEAL book in my entire life, it's written by **** Couch about BUD/S class. I can tell you I listened to some of the operators comment on this, makes me laugh.

[Splinter26]

I wear the Ranger tab because I went through Ranger school. Now. for a civilian, who as never been in the military, and especially has never went through the school, to wear the Ranger tab or Scroll, only if they claim to have done these things. is being disrespectful. And being a liar too....I have no problem with someone wearing these things in role play.


Then I guess it all depends on a person, I know it would bother me, for sure.

[Uncle Sam]

you are correct, it does depend on the person. Some people get pissed, some people don't. Personally, these guys who wear these patches probably mean no disrespect. It's like they are rootin' for the home team. Most of them can't, won't, couldn't, shouldn't really be Rangers, anyway.

[Argyll]

Splinter I'm not lying trust me,the reason it makes no difference is that I'm ex British Army,and we don't have such badges that are earned,apart from the Para wings,all other specialist badges are not normally worn on the Cammies,I myself wore the "AT" specialist,as I was a MILAN Instructor in my old regiment.
These specialist badges tended to be worn on "Working dress" and ceremonial dress,and in my case on my Rank chevron worn on my arm,OR's who were similarly qualified wore them on the lower part of their sleeve,Instructors wore them above their rank,the only other specialist tabs were Assault Pioneers,Mortars,Marksmen,and Snipers,these were the only infantry badges that I recall being worn,some other dept such as the B2 clerks and stuff also had specialist badges.
Other than the odd DZ flash,British Battledress is ususlly devoid of the things you get upset about.
Even the UKSF never have anything on their battledress to imply who or what they are,and in many cases,and I can personally vouch for this,on some Ops in certain Places these guys used to come an "pop"(borrow) kit from you,several time I had my regimental headgear " borrowed" by such men,some Op you have this big Mo Fo with long hair and the unit headgear on,sticks out like a sore thumb to us,but to the untrianed eye looks like the rest of us!! ;)

[Splinter26]

British soldier, well that's excellent. *Salute* p-)

[NcDeuce]

wow ranger tab on his hat rofl rofl

The used to wear the tab on their hat. Here's my dad in the 1980s.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/ranger_in_korea/abg.jpg

By the way, he is not "airsofting".

I think I said it well on the other thread...

I don't care where you stand on this issue, go to an active-duty SF guy and find out. It is not right to wear something you DID NOT earn.

We, ROTC cadets, would get our asses kicked and chewed out by the cadre if we decided to "show respect" or want to look cool by putting tabs/patches that we did not earn on our BDU's.

Wear your red-white-and blue hat and hang a flag outside your house if you want to show respect.

But I can see I can't fight the airsofter forum, 30% at the moment believe it is fine to wear patches they didn't earn. Sad.


Doesn't matter, It is not right.

Don't wear it if you didn't earn it. Think about the men who earned that patch with their blood, sweat, and tears.

Make your own patches.

[Saranof]

Personally, being pissed cos some people playing a game use a badge you worked hard for, is a bit childish really.
I mean, you still earned it. It's not like you did it to show off right?
Now, I'd say 60% of my airsoft gear is just for posing. To look good. And the Ranger look looks cool. So, you wear that kind of gear.
I don't wear the badges and stuff though.

[NcDeuce]

It is not childish, go talk to an active-duty or retired Special Forces, Ranger, SEAL, Airborne trooper, etc. about what they think.

I am glad you do not wear patches/tabs

[Argyll]

Nice pic!,Left or right?

Splinter I hear Ya :hug:

[NcDeuce]

Right or middle, depending on how you look at it...the man with both hands on his weapon.

[Argyll]

rofl Both hands on his weapon,John Holmes rocks!!

Yeah nice one,thanks for sharing.......did you get my PM?

[Splinter26]

Hey TF, thank you for being with me on this, it makes me happy to see there are some people on this board that feel the same way about wearing a patch you didn't earn. Your dad looks cool as hell, I saw more pics of him on one of the forums here, you sure have a huge reason to be very proud.

PS

By the way, isn't it funny how you said "Think about the men who earned that patch with their blood, sweat, and tears" and I said the exact same thing! What a coincidence :D . I also assume you are wanting to fly for Nightstalkers? Well, the best luck to you buddy.

NSDQ p-)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Well the fact is people are going to wear the patches wether you like it or not. Just get used to it and quit your bitching and moaning. Whats the big difference from a re-enactor and an airsoft team that models there gear after a certain unit? Personally I see no difference, as long as they dont wander around town going "Hey im (insert random unit name here)". Thats were the problem starts. Personally I think this discussion has been brought up to try to flame airsofters, if so eat my ass. This will be the last time I post under this thread.

[mocking_loudly_died]

He called me names.... I'm taking my super soaker home. :lol:

[budanski]

So you're the bloak with the aimpoint on his supersoaker :D

[mocking_loudly_died]

Ha!

My super soaker has an aimpoint, reflex sights, mounted 203 water ballon launcher and on the sides printed in hot pink font is "DELTA ROXXERS LIKE A BITCH!".

Sometimes I parade my hardware down the local barracks to make them all jealous.

Matin told me that my weapon beats the SA-80.....should I enter it for trails against the XM8?

[budanski]

:D

[hood]

Gonna lock this one since it's a dupe. As Ratamacue mentioned, it can be picked up here:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3891