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oscarsierra
02-18-2005, 09:16 AM
I believe it's important for some people to take a long hard look at what most (not all) of the left stands for.

(By the way, this in no way involves anyone from outside the United States. This relates and refers to the US only, so comments from outside the US are welcome, but to those Americans reading them, I ask, accept the comments with a grain of salt, and if need be, just ignore them. One should not get worked-up about what someone who has never left their home in "Anytown, Europe" has to say regarding the internal politics of the US.

Also, these words, of course, won't change a fanatic's mind, but maybe, just maybe, someone will take a longer, harder look at the people they seem to trust; otherwise, how could they keep getting into office?).

:-)

PS: Some of this is truly, truly scary.

"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease. ... He is an absolutely reprehensible person."
--USA Today Columnist Julianne Malveaux on Justice Clarence Thomas

"If there is...justice, he'll get AIDS, or one of his grandchildren will get it."
--National Public Radio's (NPR) Nina Totenberg on Sen. Jesse Helms

"It may take the destruction of Western Civilization to allow the rest of the world to really emerge as a free and brotherly society."
--Newly elected president of that hot-bed of collectivist agitation, The World Council of Churches, Andrew Young

"In South Africa we'd call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany we'd call it Fascism. Here [in the U.S.] we call it conservatism. These people are attacking the poor."
--"Reverend" Jesse Jackson [who wears $3000 suits -- and spends hundreds of thousand of $ on his mistress as hush money for keeping quiet about the bastard he fathered -- while bemoaning the fate of the poor & preaching"Christian" morality"

"Fundamental, Bible-believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in."
--Former Democratic Congressman Peter Hoagland......does this sound familiar?? Communism anyone???? Suddenly the state owns your children??

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we think they ought to have."
--Former president of CBS News, Richard Salant

"I'll have those ******s voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
--Lyndon B. Johnson

"When you hear somebody doing it [criticizing the federal government], you ought to stand up and double up your fist and stick it in the sky and shout them down."
--Bill Clinton in a speech in Billings, Montana, 1 June '95

"We don't give a sh-- about what you have to say."
--Gloria Steinham, as she turned off the microphone when feminist Camille Paglia tried to voice a dissenting opinion

"You're fired, and your pension is forfeit."
--European Court of Justice (sic) to Bernard Connolly who wrote a book exposing European Union lies while acknowledging that what he'd written was true

"Suck my ****, you stupid ******. Shut the **** up, and get your black ass out of here, ******!"
--"Reverend" Jesse Jackson and his gang of thugs to Black conservative J. L. Peterson, when he tried to speak at an L.A. Trade Bureau Forum meeting. (Mr. Peterson is currently suing "Rev." Jackson for -- among other charges -- assault and battery, as he was also physically attacked.)

"I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things."
--Self-described 'unbiased broker of events,' and CBS anchorman, Dan Rather, when asked in an interview: "Do you think Clinton is an honest man?"

"Lenin was an apostle of world peace whose ideas have had a profound influence on the course of contemporary history. ... [and] his ideals ... are in line with the U. N. charter."
--U. N. Secretary General U Thant in a speech given in 1970

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it."
--Socialist oceanographer, the late Jacques Cousteau

"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
-- President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993

"And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it."
-- Bill Clinton on MTV's "Enough is Enough", 4/19/1994

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."
-- Bill Clinton (May 29, 1993)

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans . . . ."
-- William J. Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993

"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime."
-- Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson

"I am one who believes that as a first step, the United States should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols, and revolvers...No one should have the right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun."
-- Professor Dean Morris, Director of Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, stated to the U.S. Congress

"We're bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns."
-- Rahm Emmanuel, senior advisor to Bill Clinton

"All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately ... The SS, SA and Stahlhelm give every respectable German man the opportunity of campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the above named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his weapon ... must be regarded as an enemy of the national government."
-- SA Oberfuhrer of Bad Tolz, March, 1933.

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
-- Heinrich Himmler

"Stroke of the pen, law of the land... kinda cool"
-- Clinton Presidential Aide Paul Begala referring to Executive Orders, July 1998

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them. "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
-- U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D/CA) speaking of her authorship of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban on "60 Minutes" 2/5/95

"We must get rid of all the guns."
-- Sarah Brady speaking on behalf of HCI with Sheriff Jay Printz & others on "The Phil Donahue Show" September 1994

"Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
-- HCI President Sarah Brady to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, The National Educator, January 1994, p.3

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
-- Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!"
-- U.S. Representative Charles Schumer (D/NY) on NBC 12/8/93

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
-- U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all."
--Nikita Khrushchev to the 20th Congress of the Communist Party 2/25/56

"Fascist ethics begin ... with the acknowledgment that it is not the individual who confers a meaning upon society, but it is, instead, the existence of a human society which determines the human character of the individual. According to Fascism, a true, a great spiritual life cannot take place unless the State has risen to a position of pre-eminence in the world of man. The curtailment of liberty thus becomes justified at once, and this need of rising the State to its rightful position."
-- Mario Palmieri in The Philosophy of Fascism 1936

"There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the State and the Individual; between the State which demands and the individual who attempts to evade such demands. Because the individual, left to himself, unless he be a saint or hero, always refuses to pay taxes, obey laws, or go to war."
-- Benito Mussolini

"I cannot save every undercapitalized business in America."
-- Hillary Clinton, when questioned about the impact health care mandates would have on small businesses, quoted in Fayetteville (GA)

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."
-- Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one of the founders of the ACLU.

"Among the elementary measures the American government will adopt to further the cultural revolution are the following: the schools, colleges, and universities will be coordinated and grouped under a National Department of Education and its state and local branches. The studies will be revolutionized, being cleansed of religious, patriotic, and other features of bourgeois ideology."
--William Z. Foster, National Chairman of the United States Communist Party, in his book "Toward a Soviet America".

"The children who know how to think for themselves, spoil the harmony of the collective society that is coming, where everyone (would be) interdependent."
-- John Dewey, pioneer of American modern education system

"Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It is up to you as teachers to make all of these sick children well -- by creating the international child of the future."
-- Dr. Chester M. Pierce, Professor of Education at Harvard, addressing the Association for Childhood Education International in April,1972

"Schools will become clinics whose purpose is to provide individualized, psycho-social treatment for the student, and teachers must become psycho-social therapists. This will include biochemical and psychological mediation of learning, as drugs are introduced experimentally to improve in the learner such qualities as personality, concentration, and memory."
--National Education Association report entitled "Education for the '70's." (1979)

"The battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom...between the rotting corpse of Christianity...and the new faith of humanism. Humanism will emerge triumphant."
-- John Dunphy, January/February, 1983, issue of "The Humanist"

"It is thus necessary that the individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole ... that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual. .... This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture .... we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow man."
-- Adolph Hitler, 1933

"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society."
-- Hillary Clinton, 1993

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
--Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, 1992.

We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
--David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991

Ratman
02-18-2005, 09:53 AM
First, I want say that I'm not from Europe. Whhheeew.

And wow. Very interesting. Those are some BAD people. Better off putting this in the humor section, though. [Sarcasm off]

km5
02-18-2005, 11:09 AM
just stupid quotes from stupid people. not sure how this changes anything. not that i like liberals, but i can put out a list twice this size about stupid things republicans have said.

oscarsierra
02-18-2005, 11:21 AM
There's a difference between "saying something stupid" and believing in the stupid thing that you say. I can post a million words about people mis-speaking or making errors. I sure as hell do. The President himself (as we all know) slips up every now and again.

To parapharase the age-old adage, we are but only human. But what I posted were not stupid things spoken in error, but beliefs. That's what makes it "scary."

If you have a list that is twice as long as mine regarding a collection of elected/media/influential Republicans speaking on a national/international stage with the same cruelty as I have posted, I would be very interested in reading it.

Geezah
02-18-2005, 11:25 AM
just stupid quotes from stupid people. not sure how this changes anything. not that i like liberals, but i can put out a list twice this size about stupid things republicans have said.

You mean stupid things the Repubs have said about wanting to take away our rights, and turn America into the USSA!


Where are are the clueless quotes from John Kerry?

km5
02-18-2005, 11:54 AM
stupid comments by republicans like denying Darwin Theory in favor of idiotic creationsim, which isnt even a science.

Or guys like Falwell preaching about how non-christians will go to hell, etc etc etc. Theres wackos on every side of the spectrum, so this isnt anything surprising.

oscarsierra
02-18-2005, 12:00 PM
stupid comments by republicans like denying Darwin Theory in favor of idiotic creationsim, which isnt even a science.

Or guys like Falwell preaching about how non-christians will go to hell, etc etc etc. Theres wackos on every side of the spectrum, so this isnt anything surprising.

Oh, I agree. I know there are whackos on all sides. But my point is that there are very few truly influential Republicans that are as "whacko" towards the extreme Right as there are Democrats towards the extreme Left.

Gyles84
02-18-2005, 12:09 PM
That really IS scary. Good find, especially considering some quoted here are mainstream.

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
-- Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."
-- Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one of the founders of the ACLU.

^^ How cute.

RGRBOX
02-18-2005, 12:11 PM
just stupid quotes from stupid people. not sure how this changes anything. not that i like liberals, but i can put out a list twice this size about stupid things republicans have said.

Just in the last 4 1/2 years of Bush could do that, but the point is well taken, and it is truely a disgrace what our government is and has been trying to do to the common folk....

von_Moo142
02-18-2005, 12:24 PM
Oh, I agree. I know there are whackos on all sides. But my point is that there are very few truly influential Republicans that are as "whacko" towards the extreme Right as there are Democrats towards the extreme Left.

In your list you are using two different types of "left". There is the more conventional (and rarely used) economic left, and the more poular modern notion of the left being a measure of "liberal"* social policy.

So we have a number of curious individuals who have nothing in common, but whom people who identify themselves with the popular notion of what is "right of center"** think of as not being allied with thier views.

The list is pretty bunk though, don't you think?

It's like comparing apples and cheese.

And what's the point of this type of thing. There are lots of posts like this, and they don't offer any real insight. I suppose at least there are some quotations here(some are interesting), and while that's good many are out of context or supplied with pointed annotation. We might as well all sit round and watch a Michael Moore film.

Don't some of you want to think about your politics, instead of just jumping on the bandwagon and lambasting "liberals"?

And while some of those who lurk around the fringes might think it's worthwhile to compare Rockerfeller with Himler, and Clinton with Musselini, I think most will agree that there is little point to this.



Oh, I agree. I know there are whackos on all sides. But my point is that there are very few truly influential Republicans that are as "whacko" towards the extreme Right as there are Democrats towards the extreme Left.


That's beause we all have shifting expectations of what is left and right, and we are more prepared to forgive those who we already accept for minor transgressions or ideas that we might not agree with. Why don't we just abandon this purile labeling and pick politicians and policy on individual merits?

Sorry, I don't mean to pick on you or your post, but you do seem to be actually thinking about things instead of just posting something like "f*** teh f*** liberals".


* This word is missused too.

** "Right of center" now includes many who are labeled as being "leftist", which begs the question: Should we readjust the center to cater for the right shift?***

*** If we do, we will have to abandon our stereotypes of right and left (which, since they are ambiguous and wrong anyway, isn't such a bad idea). This shows how futile this labeling is now, I think.

oscarsierra
02-18-2005, 12:35 PM
Well said von_Moo142. I am, too, impressed with your critical thinking/response.

Now, let me let you in on a little secret: I hate politics. I do appreciate the will of men and their beliefs, though. Vote the man, not the party, et cetera, et cetera, pax romana, et al. :-)

Honestly, I knew my post would be construed as just another ramble about politics, but I thought (just for a moment) that there was enough of a "I can't believe they said that" factor involved with the list, that I decided, "Why the hell not?" :-)

von_Moo142
02-18-2005, 01:39 PM
"I can't believe they said that"

Yeah, some of the remarks do make you wonder if they forgot the camera was rolling or something.

Mr Gently Benevolent
02-18-2005, 05:24 PM
I believe it's important for some people to take a long hard look at what most (not all) of the left stands for.

("In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it."
--Socialist oceanographer, the late Jacques Cousteau


"All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately ... The SS, SA and Stahlhelm give every respectable German man the opportunity of campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the above named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his weapon ... must be regarded as an enemy of the national government."
-- SA Oberfuhrer of Bad Tolz, March, 1933.

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
-- Heinrich Himmler


"Fascist ethics begin ... with the acknowledgment that it is not the individual who confers a meaning upon society, but it is, instead, the existence of a human society which determines the human character of the individual. According to Fascism, a true, a great spiritual life cannot take place unless the State has risen to a position of pre-eminence in the world of man. The curtailment of liberty thus becomes justified at once, and this need of rising the State to its rightful position."
-- Mario Palmieri in The Philosophy of Fascism 1936

"There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the State and the Individual; between the State which demands and the individual who attempts to evade such demands. Because the individual, left to himself, unless he be a saint or hero, always refuses to pay taxes, obey laws, or go to war."
-- Benito Mussolini


"It is thus necessary that the individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole ... that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual. .... This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture .... we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow man."
-- Adolph Hitler, 1933
How on earth did the Nazi's get into a list of quotes by the left! I think you are stretching this a little far, and poor f*ckin Cousteau since when did he become an ardent commie. :cantbeli:

RGRBOX
02-19-2005, 03:22 PM
"I can't believe they said that"

Yeah, some of the remarks do make you wonder if they forgot the camera was rolling or something.

"I never had ****** relations with that woman." "Oh, you mean that woman I though you were talking about my wife Hillary."

Dennis G
02-19-2005, 11:40 PM
"To uphold the Constitution against ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC!!!"

RGRBOX
02-20-2005, 04:45 AM
"To uphold the Constitution against ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC!!!"

Hooah! This means no matter where you are. Better if your on the bad guys back porch...

Gman
02-20-2005, 11:27 AM
The original post was aimed at being critical of the US Left wing political body; however, the poster has included quaotes by Hitler, Himmler, Mussolini and various other Right Wing Fascist individuals. This highlights the extreme bias as well as showing his distorted agenda. The above named individuals were decidedly on the right and have much more in common with the hard Conservatives and the Republican party.

nagant_m44
02-20-2005, 01:11 PM
The original post was aimed at being critical of the US Left wing political body; however, the poster has included quaotes by Hitler, Himmler, Mussolini and various other Right Wing Fascist individuals. This highlights the extreme bias as well as showing his distorted agenda. The above named individuals were decidedly on the right and have much more in common with the hard Conservatives and the Republican party.
Yes Gman, because repulicans want to ban guns, ban religion,control everything through a strong central government*cough cough F. ROOSEVELT(who happened to be a great repulican)* and give the poor immigrants everything they want and blame every problem on the rich...

RGRBOX
02-20-2005, 03:20 PM
The original post was aimed at being critical of the US Left wing political body; however, the poster has included quaotes by Hitler, Himmler, Mussolini and various other Right Wing Fascist individuals. This highlights the extreme bias as well as showing his distorted agenda. The above named individuals were decidedly on the right and have much more in common with the hard Conservatives and the Republican party.
Yes Gman, because repulicans want to ban guns, ban religion,control everything through a strong central government*cough cough F. ROOSEVELT(who happened to be a great repulican)* and give the poor immigrants everything they want and blame every problem on the rich...

WOW....

Gman
02-20-2005, 06:21 PM
The original post was aimed at being critical of the US Left wing political body; however, the poster has included quaotes by Hitler, Himmler, Mussolini and various other Right Wing Fascist individuals. This highlights the extreme bias as well as showing his distorted agenda. The above named individuals were decidedly on the right and have much more in common with the hard Conservatives and the Republican party.
Yes Gman, because repulicans want to ban guns, ban religion,control everything through a strong central government*cough cough F. ROOSEVELT(who happened to be a great repulican)* and give the poor immigrants everything they want and blame every problem on the rich...

WOW....

I suppose it just shows how out of touch with reality the American right really is.

nagant_m44
02-20-2005, 06:54 PM
The original post was aimed at being critical of the US Left wing political body; however, the poster has included quaotes by Hitler, Himmler, Mussolini and various other Right Wing Fascist individuals. This highlights the extreme bias as well as showing his distorted agenda. The above named individuals were decidedly on the right and have much more in common with the hard Conservatives and the Republican party.
Yes Gman, because repulicans want to ban guns, ban religion,control everything through a strong central government*cough cough F. ROOSEVELT(who happened to be a great repulican)* and give the poor immigrants everything they want and blame every problem on the rich...

WOW....

I suppose it just shows how out of touch with reality the American right really is.

I was being sarcastic, if you didn't notice...

Gman
02-20-2005, 07:30 PM
The original post was aimed at being critical of the US Left wing political body; however, the poster has included quaotes by Hitler, Himmler, Mussolini and various other Right Wing Fascist individuals. This highlights the extreme bias as well as showing his distorted agenda. The above named individuals were decidedly on the right and have much more in common with the hard Conservatives and the Republican party.
Yes Gman, because repulicans want to ban guns, ban religion,control everything through a strong central government*cough cough F. ROOSEVELT(who happened to be a great repulican)* and give the poor immigrants everything they want and blame every problem on the rich...

WOW....

I suppose it just shows how out of touch with reality the American right really is.

I was being sarcastic, if you didn't notice...

Your sarcasm was duly noted.

RGRBOX
02-20-2005, 08:08 PM
The original post was aimed at being critical of the US Left wing political body; however, the poster has included quaotes by Hitler, Himmler, Mussolini and various other Right Wing Fascist individuals. This highlights the extreme bias as well as showing his distorted agenda. The above named individuals were decidedly on the right and have much more in common with the hard Conservatives and the Republican party.
Yes Gman, because repulicans want to ban guns, ban religion,control everything through a strong central government*cough cough F. ROOSEVELT(who happened to be a great repulican)* and give the poor immigrants everything they want and blame every problem on the rich...

WOW....


I suppose it just shows how out of touch with reality the American right really is.

I was being sarcastic, if you didn't notice...

Your sarcasm was duly noted.

No Comment.... :D

budgie
02-20-2005, 08:22 PM
OOOOHHH, scary stuff.

C'mon even the 'Left' (currently in the USA anyone disagreeing with Bush) have a right to be opinionated bastards, as so many are (including myself).

The first comment by the USA Today columnist was just plain racist and more on the 'Right' would agree with her than the 'Left'; the one from the Council of Churches was clearly not advocating the fall of western civilisation; Lyndon Johnson may have been a Democrat but was far from a leftist by any stretch - in fact he's widely despised by the far Left as a Reaganesque 'imperialist'.

This won't keep me up at night.

BarkingSquirrel
02-20-2005, 08:32 PM
C'mon even the 'Left' (currently in the USA anyone disagreeing with Bush) have a right to be opinionated bastards, as so many are (including myself).They sure do. However conservatives also have the right to expose the left for what they are.

walford
02-20-2005, 09:15 PM
Why the Left Hates America (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/076156375X/thebigpicture-20?dev-t=mason-wrapper%26camp=2025%26link_code=xm2)
Author and former Accuracy In Academia director Dan Flynn conceded that the title of his latest book “Why the Left Hates America” is provocative. It is deliberately so, he said. He then proceeded to back his assertion with example after example and to explain the Left’s hatred.

Flynn noted how Left-wing anti-Americanism visibly increased subsequent to the campaign to forcibly oust Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. He allowed that there is nothing inherently anti-American about having questions about the wisdom of choosing the timing and/or circumstances of military action. Many conservatives [such as Flynn himself] have expressed such concerns.

That the Left have gone far beyond this is expressed by the mindset of some anti-war protesters he recently interviewed: One young lady said the US is a “little bitch – someone broke her nail, so [America] is blowing up the whole world.” Another youth was selling t-shirts with Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld portrayed as icons of the true ‘Axis of Evil.’ Other shirt represented the President of the United States as today’s Hitler. With little prompting, the vendor offered that he considered America a fascist state. The audience snickered as Flynn wondered aloud if this were true, how long could one reasonably expect to sell such material 200 yards from the White House unmolested?

‘Diversity’ is an oft-cited buzzword today, especially on college campuses. This has lately been perverted to mean that a given faculty should have a diverse appearance like a UN gathering, but think monolithically like the patrons of a San Francisco coffee house. Flynn asserted that the Leftist conception of diversity is based upon ‘things that shouldn’t matter,’ such as skin color rather than the true intellectual diversity that one should expect in a university.

One explanation is the political orientation expressed in faculty party affiliations. Flynn cited such recent statistics as a 25:1 Democrat-to-Republican ratio at CornellUniversity. At the University of Colorado at Boulder it is 31:1, Stanford University boasts a 9:1 figure while the faculty at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill professes a 10:1 proportion. UNC’s history department stands at 46:1, which [provoking some chuckles] Flynn interpreted as having less intellectual diversity than the Soviet-era Kremlin.

What has been the result of such an ideologically monolithic academia? Flynn recalled University of New Mexico professor Richard Berthold, who was pleased to tell his students [the day after 9/11], “anyone who can blow up the Pentagon would get my vote.” [In “Why the Left Hates America,” Flynn noted that the professor’s repeated this diatribe to several subsequent classes.]

Citing faculty complaints, Holy Cross College’s sociology department head Royce Singleton insisted a secretary remove an American flag she had displayed. She explained it was to honor her friend Todd Beamer [who was aboard United flight 93 (that crashed in rural Pennsylvania before hitting its apparent DC target)]. Unmoved, Singleton removed the flag himself.

A central theme in “Why the Left Hates America” was whether this nation is redeemable and worth preserving. According to Hollywood types like Janeane Garafalo, Sean Penn and Woody Harrelson the answer is an emphatic ‘no.’ We should all just “duck and implode” - this is not a society worth defending.

If that is so, asked Flynn, how do we account for the fact that 45 of the last 60 Nobel Prizes had Americans at least named as co-recipients? The audience was further reminded that our [still private] medical system has heralded the advent of the MRI and CAT scan. Cures have been found for such diseases as polio and yellow fever – the lifespan of human beings worldwide has been significantly increased in the last century as a direct result of American medicine.

We were further invited to recall that such essential inventions as the airplane, electric light and the ATM were created here. As Osama Bin Laden, Saddam and other America-haters in hot climates ducked into their air-conditioned abodes, they were giving tacit endorsement of everything that is good about the US.

Yet the Left is fond of smearing America as a racist and sexist country. Flynn posited that although our history is ‘by no means perfect,’ several facts give lie to such derogatory assertions. From 1820 to 1930, the US took in 60% of the world’s immigrants. Although not exceptional in denying women the vote in the late eighteenth century, America was indeed ‘unique’ in granting as broad a franchise as it did at that time - and was among the first to eventually grant female suffrage. Flynn pointed out that even today, the majority of humanity has no say in choosing leaders or official policy – thus illustrating how the US is still exceptional.

Flynn balanced the condemnation of American ‘cultural imperialism,’ as he related how such practices as cannibalism, infanticide, honor killings and suttee [throwing or expecting a widow to throw herself on her dead husband’s funeral pyre] were curtailed if not eliminated by contact with the West. Flynn asked, how could all cultures be declared essentially equal [a la cultural relativism] with the existence of such barbaric practices?

The Left compares American culture to a Utopian ideal rather than in the context of the real world in which we operate. It is true that no women have yet been invited to golf memberships at Augusta. It is true that US women are not proportionally represented on the battlefield. Flynn added that it is also true that we live in a ‘global village’ wherein dowry killings, female genital mutilation and forced abortions persist.

For multiculturalists, American culture is less than equal – every other society in the world is not to be judged, no matter how violent and oppressive. Nonetheless, Flynn tells us that the Left finds nothing to applaud in our own culture. This is a mindset that cannot be embraced by anyone with common sense and intellectual honesty.

Mr. Flynn expressed gratitude for the warm response with which he was greeted, noting a stark contrast to those of several previous occasions. At a 2000 address at UC Berkeley, his speech was successfully terminated by an ‘orchestrated campaign’ of chants and catcalls. [Provoking laughter, he added that he was mooned as well.] A ‘Nazi-style’ book-burning of his book Cop Killer (http://www.academia.org/store/cop_killer_description.html) topped off the event. He explained that his determination to place himself in ‘liberal Meccas’ has been attended by such results as last-minute speech cancellations, being banned at any future Black Panther meetings and a physical attack by ‘aging hippies’ at a protest rally.

Flynn offered that the Left hates America because it is as fundamentally repellant to them as was the Soviet Union for conservatives. Further, the very existence of a prosperous and free US stands as a tangible refutation to the Leftist assertion that freedom and capitalism are failed concepts. Flynn went on to say that President Bush ‘couldn’t have dreamed’ of casting an opposition that would better serve his agenda by alienating the American people.

The Left can be distinguished from Liberals or Democrats as being more like Gore Vidal rather than Al Gore. They are hardcore ideologues comprising probably less than ten percent of the US population. Flynn offered that the likes of these people could simply be ‘laughed off’ if they had proportionate influence. Given however that they dominate the culture - museums, Hollywood, the media, academia etc. - they represent a cadre that must be understood and dealt with accordingly.

budgie
02-21-2005, 12:19 AM
C'mon even the 'Left' (currently in the USA anyone disagreeing with Bush) have a right to be opinionated bastards, as so many are (including myself).They sure do. However conservatives also have the right to expose the left for what they are.

Ummm, opinionated bastards? Guilty

USMC-Congbuster
02-21-2005, 12:30 AM
theres a difference between being a liberal
and being a leftwinger who masks cowardice, natural insubordination, control freakish behavior under the banner of patriotism because he or she questions everything

walford
02-21-2005, 12:33 AM
C'mon even the 'Left' (currently in the USA anyone disagreeing with Bush) have a right to be opinionated bastards, as so many are (including myself).They sure do. However conservatives also have the right to expose the left for what they are.Ummm, opinionated bastards? GuiltyUmmm, opinionated does not mean having views that are uncorruptable by evil influence. It means having views that are uncorruptable by facts due to a near religious devotion to emotion-based preconceptions.

budgie
02-21-2005, 12:44 AM
I've been a language instructor for 7 years in Japan and Hong Kong, and while you're entiltled to your opinion on the meaning of the word opinionated, most dictionaries would disagree:

Oxford: "Having very strong opinions that you are not willing to change"

Webster: "Unduly adhering to one's own opinion or to preconceived notions"

Cambridge: "having and expressing very strong feelings and beliefs, and believing that your own ideas are the only correct ones"

Although all of these suggest sever stubbornness, one of these explicitly excludes all evidence to the contary, regardless of facts. And if you want to start on about refusing to face up to 'facts' let's talk about I dunno, yellowcake from Niger?

Pandy
02-21-2005, 01:01 AM
Just give me a beer and i'll be happy down te middle... I don't like the left... nor don't like the action of the right. I'm one of those types of folks down the middle who believes in Free Health Care for working members of my country, but if you DON'T work... health care will be a problem because I am not covering your ass...

Along with this, if you got a gun, keep it and buy more, nothing wrong with that... if anything, that's helping the job market, economy and lower crime.

Legally having weed in the US market, along with a 5-10% Tax on it (Don't know the number off hand) would pay for the Iraqi War, SS, A-Stan, and other bull****! Also withdrawling from the UN, one of the largest waste of taxpayer money I've seen over the past 10 years, and throw that into my Free Health Care for the Working people...

There would be lots more but.... I'll save it till 2030... woot

So... if you see Jason R Pandy (I) or (P, for Pandyism) running for President... Vote for me!... (2032)

walford
02-21-2005, 01:10 AM
Oxford: "Having very strong opinions that you are not willing to change"

Webster: "Unduly adhering to one's own opinion or to preconceived notions"

Cambridge: "having and expressing very strong feelings and beliefs, and believing that your own ideas are the only correct ones"If you wish to embrace such descriptions of your mindset, I certainly would not be inclined to dissuade you.

For my part, I am firmly resolved to have consistent convictions based upon knowledge and experience that are always subject to revision if confronted with new info.

BlackFlag
02-21-2005, 03:00 AM
Just give me a beer and i'll be happy down te middle... I don't like the left... nor don't like the action of the right. I'm one of those types of folks down the middle who believes in Free Health Care for working members of my country, but if you DON'T work... health care will be a problem because I am not covering your ass...

Along with this, if you got a gun, keep it and buy more, nothing wrong with that... if anything, that's helping the job market, economy and lower crime.

Legally having weed in the US market, along with a 5-10% Tax on it (Don't know the number off hand) would pay for the Iraqi War, SS, A-Stan, and other bull****! Also withdrawling from the UN, one of the largest waste of taxpayer money I've seen over the past 10 years, and throw that into my Free Health Care for the Working people...

There would be lots more but.... I'll save it till 2030... woot

So... if you see Jason R Pandy (I) or (P, for Pandyism) running for President... Vote for me!... (2032) fuk yeah man...you got my vote! woot woot

budgie
02-21-2005, 03:15 AM
Oxford: "Having very strong opinions that you are not willing to change"

Webster: "Unduly adhering to one's own opinion or to preconceived notions"

Cambridge: "having and expressing very strong feelings and beliefs, and believing that your own ideas are the only correct ones"If you wish to embrace such descriptions of your mindset, I certainly would not be inclined to dissuade you.

For my part, I am firmly resolved to have consistent convictions based upon knowledge and experience that are always subject to revision if confronted with new info.

I already explained how I can be opinionated above, so there's no need to 'clarify' my meaning to the masses or turn my words against me. But comparing the dictionary descriptions I provided to having convictions based upon 'knowlegde and experience' that are 'subject to revision' implies that my convictions are not.

Don't take my admission of being opiniated as a license to loose the attack dogs. It's not a confession of unrepentant bias. I am considerably more flexible than most people here.

walford
02-21-2005, 03:20 AM
Don't take my admission of being opiniated as a license to loose the attack dogs. It's not a confession of unrepentant bias.I shall only release the cats of war when appropriate.

I am considerably more flexible than most people here.Is that so?

Ratman
02-21-2005, 03:38 AM
IMO, if it wasn't for the more interesting conviction vs opinion sub-plot, this thread should have taken one in the back of the head a long time ago.

To argue that the lame hodgepodge of quotes has any bearing on anything relevant in the entire universe is a testament to the power of mindlessness.

walford
02-21-2005, 03:53 AM
...and yet you bumped the thread. rofl

Ratman
02-21-2005, 04:06 AM
...and yet you bumped the thread. rofl

At the risk of being uncool, again, I admit that I don't know what "bumping" a thread is, although though I'm sure I've done it. :oops:

Tell me.

Edit: Oh, is that sending it to the top again?

BarkingSquirrel
02-21-2005, 08:03 AM
I am considerably more flexible than most people here.Is that so?Good thing you replied to that, I was laughing too hard to do so myself.

budgie
02-22-2005, 12:20 AM
Yeah that is so.

Just because I rarely share the pro-bush camp's opinions doesn't mean I cannot admit when I'm wrong or seek compromise, despite being a self-confessed 'opinionate'.

(BTW I think I just made that word up)

Milkman
02-22-2005, 12:45 AM
[voice of reason]
Sure they may be liberals but you cant say all people of the "left" are asshats like them. Same goes for the "right." Stereotyping is a load of ****. I have met democrats who are good people, they may share different views than me but they present them in a respectable manner. Posting topics like these only creates more contempt by the left going "omfg another neocon tool posting ****," while the right goes "hahah stupid libs **** em all!"
[/voice of reason]

walford
02-22-2005, 01:10 AM
Just because I rarely share the pro-bush camp's opinions doesn't mean I cannot admit when I'm wrong or seek compromise, despite being a self-confessed 'opinionate'.You need to watch those opinionates, they can be habit-forming.

[voice of reason]
Sure they may be liberals but you cant say all people of the "left" are asshats like them. Same goes for the "right." Stereotyping is a load of ****. I have met democrats who are good people, they may share different views than me but they present them in a respectable manner. Posting topics like these only creates more contempt by the left going "omfg another neocon tool posting ****," while the right goes "hahah stupid libs f*** em all!"
[/voice of reason]There have been plenty of Bush/America/Israel/whatever hating threads posted in this board, too. This is a message board comprised of mostly anonymous people of varying degrees of knowledge/maturity/intelligence/intellectual honesty after all.

Not every thread can be a gem.

oscarsierra
02-22-2005, 01:19 AM
[voice of reason]
Sure they may be liberals but you cant say all people of the "left" are asshats like them. Same goes for the "right." Stereotyping is a load of ****. I have met democrats who are good people, they may share different views than me but they present them in a respectable manner. Posting topics like these only creates more contempt by the left going "omfg another neocon tool posting ****," while the right goes "hahah stupid libs f*** em all!"
[/voice of reason]

As the original poster, in case you were referencing me in the "creating contempt" or "sterotyping" comment, you may have missed my post here:

Now, let me let you in on a little secret: I hate politics. I do appreciate the will of men and their beliefs, though. Vote the man, not the party, et cetera, et cetera, pax romana, et al.

Honestly, I knew my post would be construed as just another ramble about politics, but I thought (just for a moment) that there was enough of a "I can't believe they said that" factor involved with the list, that I decided, "Why the hell not?"

As for my opening with "A long, hard look at the left," I may have more correctly/fully elaborated upon that with "extreme left." But as they say, hindsight is 20/20.

Milkman
02-22-2005, 01:25 AM
Its not that I think that your post is just another ramble, its just thats its been posted here a million times. So what I usually see accompanying such threads is the usual rable rable BS.


PS: I hate politics too, but there just is no escape from it!

oscarsierra
02-22-2005, 01:39 AM
Milkman,

There's no escaping it, and that's for sure. Besides, some of the quotes were loony enough and from some sufficiently "interesting" enough people, that my thought was, "WTF?" I was feeling lonely that day, so decided to share the feeling. p-)

Anyhow, you've got to tell me where your avatar is from. Looks like an awesome movie.

Ratman
02-22-2005, 02:46 AM
I'm getting a warm fuzzy feeling here. Is it the first sign of hope that the US won't buckle from the partisian-ism gone out of control? I hope so.

walford
02-22-2005, 03:06 AM
Partisanship: Republicans not caving to Democrats
Bi-Partisanship: Republicans caving to Democrats

Ratman
02-22-2005, 03:19 AM
Partisanship: Republicans not caving to Democrats
Bi-Partisanship: Republicans caving to Democrats

What dictionary are you using? ;)

budgie
02-22-2005, 04:21 AM
Partisanship: Republicans not caving to Democrats
Bi-Partisanship: Republicans caving to Democrats

What dictionary are you using? ;)

The Bush Dys-Lexicon

Couldn't help it. ;)

Ratman
02-22-2005, 04:26 AM
Partisanship: Republicans not caving to Democrats
Bi-Partisanship: Republicans caving to Democrats

What dictionary are you using? ;)

The Bush Dys-Lexicon

Couldn't help it. ;)

I think I know the editors: DeLay, Armey & Lott.