For Operation Ivy - downed helos

[Kingpin]

You asked for it. ;) Destroyed US equipment

http://forum.vif2.ru:2003/nvk/forum/files/Kingpin/boeing.jpg


This was downed in the beginning of Iraqi Freedom.

http://forum.vif2.ru:2003/nvk/forum/files/Kingpin/aak.jpg


Note destroyed Chinook on the back. Don't know the story behind this pic. As i remember there wasn't any official releases on this case

[NcDeuce]

CH-46?

[Argyll]

Bottom pic is the Sea Knight(CH46) yep!

[Natter]

No that´s not a Sea Knight

It´s a Chinook and I doubt that it´s american:

1) Have not seen any chinook in desert cam, and the colors seem dull...it has been there for a while maybe?

2) Old version of Chinook, no updates, no countermeasures where there should be..


So who owns this former helicopter. My guess is:

1) Iran. War trophy from the Iran-Iraq war. Left to rot and cannibalized.
2) (not so probable) Great Britain sometimes paint their nooks in desert cams.

As you can see on the picture....no one cares about the helo...at all.

[Kingpin]

Natter

It seems you're well informed. Are you Chinook pilot or this is your hobby?

[Kingpin]

I looked at pics and i agree with Natter - it's not Sea Knight. It is Chinook.
And yes, i didn't find any US CH with desert camo.

[Argyll]

The Marine Corp had some of their birds done up in desert cammo.

Perhaps nobody's bothering with it becuase it's beyond repair?

Its also pretty impossible from that pic to tell whether it had ECM fitted.

Left over from Iran/Iraq......20 years in the desert..I doubt it
Cannabalized.......and leave the rotors off?

also AFAIK the Iraqi's never had them ,so why canabalise it?

Not British cammo pattern so definatley not UK

[Natter]

It´s a war trophy captured by Iraq during the conflict with Iran. I have looked at some pictures that I have on Irans Chinook and I´m now completely sure that it is one of theirs, or was at least....now I guess it´s being returned to sender (Boeing,USA) :)

There are some things one should learn when looking at pictures like these. Especially those used in any kind of propaganda:

1) Can you identify the vehicle/aircraft. Does your identification of the object concur with text below the picture? If not.....investigate

2) Something odd with the picture, the scene? In this case the helo seems to have been grounded for a loooong while. There are clear signs of cannibalizing ( cockpit area). The colour scheme is wrong, US army standard chinook helos do not use desert cam vety often, if ever. If they do it is usually a one colour scheme, this is not. If this ias an american helo burning, a big one even, how come no one walking by cares? ALWAYS doubt what you read until you can prove iit correct, or wrong

This the way propagand works.....Al jazeera published several movies/pictures of shot down US/British warplanes that were fakes. I saw one burning hulk from a french (!) fighter from the 50s, and one British fighterbomber from the 60s...........These were aircraft that had been used as decoys to draw attacks. Maybe even the allies bombed the aircraft relics----Iraqis saw them burn and someone came up with a splendid idea "Let´s say that we shot down a B 52 here! Allah akbar! If the farmer could shoot down an Apache this kid and his goat-firing-slingshot can surely bring down a B 52? Allah akbar..make it so!"


Always: THINK-EVALUATE

Iranian Chinook( note serial and flag below the rear rotor, you can se them on the "shot down Sea Knight":
http://users.skynet.be/exotic.planes/pictures/helicopters/ch47_ir1.jpg[/url]

[Argyll]

I disagree there Natter,if that helo was out in the Direct desert sunlight for a year or more then the whole of the a/c would be bleached,and the cammo almost indistinguishable.

Now How on earth can you tell that that cockpit has been canabalised,the windows are still intact in most cases.The clarity is not so apparent!

I'll keep an open mind on this

As I've said the USMC helos used a cammo scheme

[Kingpin]

Hope you shall not start flame on this theme. :roll:

As for me i prefer to think that this is USMC helo which received RPG hit when it was on the ground without much fuel in tanks.

But may be Natter is right and it was abandoned by Iraqis in the beginning of war and after that airfield was captured by troops. Looters simply didn't have time to do their job

[Natter]

No. Don´t get me wrong. I´m not flaming.

USMC does not use Chinooks,they use the much smaller Sea Knight, so it can´t be a USMC bird.

I have mailed this picture to some friends, not giving them any hints or clues. Four of the five replies have read: IRIAF Chinook ( the fifth...ehum..Ford Mustang, some guys will be pissed off by that Klem)


I don´t believe that it has been standing outside all the time. It has probably been in some museum ( like Duxford(UK) and Miramar (US) shows war trophys from the first gulf war). The same thing happened in Kosovo: old and useless aircraft are towed outside to function as decoys.

Cannabalization: It´s correct that the picture is not that good. But the damage to forward area to the helo does not look like battle damage. I can´t really explain how I see, but I have seen both and I strongly believe this is has been made by hand or screwdriver, not bullets and rpgs.

[Argyll]

No way can that be a Mustang!!
Thats got cheverolette written all over it(in Arabic!!). ;)

No flames intended,I'm always open minded!

[Eltaejp]

I agree with Natter...It's a IRIAF Chinook p-)

[Argyll]

I never looked close enoughay that tail rotor,and I do believe you can see the flag........apologies Natter! :oops:

[Operation Ivy]

grrrrrrrr i knew u couldnt hold out :D

[Argyll]

I tried!!.........sorry

[usa320]

I agree as well.

Thats definately a CH-47, and the marines dont use em.

Its Iranian.