(UK)Gang open fire on man sat in car

[Geezah]

A man was shot at by a gang as he sat in his car.

Scotland Yard said the 34-year-old was unhurt and managed to drive away after the attack in Gardiner Court, in Stonebridge, Harlesden, west London.

The three men, who police said were black, opened fire in the early hours of Saturday.

Officers from Operation Trident, which deals with gun grime in the black community, are investigating and are asking for witnesses to come forward.



Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4279813.stm)

[BigBaribal]

When will the avarage Brits at last take political conclusions from this situation?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

When will the avarage Brits at last take political conclusions from this situation? What political conclusions. :roll:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

May I contribute my crime story of the week. :)

Dayton, Ohio
Shooting Suspect In Custody After Standoff
A man is in custody*after holding police at bay for several hours Friday following a shooting at a local car wash.
Authorities said the man allegedly shot at another man at a car wash near *****sburg Avenue and Free Pike. Police said the man fled from the scene on foot and ran into a house, where he barricaded himself with a rifle.
The SWAT team was called in before the suspect surrendered peacefully.
Medics took the shooting victim to a local hospital with one gunshot to the shoulder. He was listed Friday in serious condition but his wounds were not believed to be life-threatening.
The woman who lives in the home that the suspect ran into, says the man kicked in her front door and then ran to her upstairs.
She says the next thing she knew, police were telling her to come outside.
She says she barely knows the suspect, and that he was not welcome in her home.
The suspect was taken to the Montgomery County Jail and police say he faces many charges including felonious assault.
http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?s=1953907

[BarkingSquirrel]

That editor should be shot. Where's the link.

[Geezah]

May I contribute my crime story of the week. :)

Dayton, Ohio
Shooting Suspect In Custody After Standoff
A man is in custody*after holding police at bay for several hours Friday following a shooting at a local car wash.
Authorities said the man allegedly shot at another man at a car wash near *****sburg Avenue and Free Pike. Police said the man fled from the scene on foot and ran into a house, where he barricaded himself with a rifle.
The SWAT team was called in before the suspect surrendered peacefully.
Medics took the shooting victim to a local hospital with one gunshot to the shoulder. He was listed Friday in serious condition but his wounds were not believed to be life-threatening.
The woman who lives in the home that the suspect ran into, says the man kicked in her front door and then ran to her upstairs.
She says the next thing she knew, police were telling her to come outside.
She says she barely knows the suspect, and that he was not welcome in her home.
The suspect was taken to the Montgomery County Jail and police say he faces many charges including felonious assault.

I know where *****sburg is, it's up by Germantown, Hilltop and a few other projects. I could tell you some stories about that area. I nearly got into a slight altercation with 3 black guys behind the fifth precint, that project is no longer there.

Anyway it would be nice if you could post some stories from some less crime ridden areas, now if you were able to find soem stories in Kettering, Beavercreek, Centerville, Miamisburg or Xenia then that would wake me up ;)

The way I see it, the UK has a ban on firearms but criminals still get them, the US has put checks an balances in place to stop crims form getting them but they still get them!
Plus in the Dayton city limits you can't own AR, AKS of have magazines over 10rnds(?) so what did that do, nothing crims still get guns?!

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

That editor should be shot. Where's the link.http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?s=1953907

[BarkingSquirrel]

Thank you. Can't yell at the editor without the site :)

[von_Moo142]

When will the avarage Brits at last take political conclusions from this situation?

This again.

We have plenty of people who worry about crime over here too, and some of them actually have cause to worry about it. But most people don't want to own a gun, be it for defense or target shooting*. You will find this even in the areas which are badly affected by crime. That's just how it is. Not every society works in the same way as yours.

The sooner certain demographics give up the idea that they can right all the worlds wrongs by applying their way of doing things, the happier everyone (including the would be moral/political crusaders) will be.


* Yes that's right. Although the NRA and it's friends enjoy some success in the states by using the UK firearms laws in their spiel, they don't tell you everything. Although there are firearms enthusiasts here, the vast majority of people want nothing to do with guns. They are excercising their freedom of choice. In fact, recent restrictive changes in firearms licensing were and are very popular.

[Geezah]

When will the avarage Brits at last take political conclusions from this situation?

This again.

We have plenty of people who worry about crime over here too, and some of them actually have cause to worry about it. But most people don't want to own a gun, be it for defense or target shooting*. You will find this even in the areas which are badly affected by crime. That's just how it is. Not every society works in the same way as yours.

The reason this is, is because it's been bred out of the Brits, 100yrs ago it may have been th enorm to own a firearm, hell if you watch those old Sherlock Holmes movies with Basil Rathbone he always carried a gun or was that Dr. Watson, anyway the average joe fears firearms over there now because all you hear about is bad people using them. The view is that it's a criminals tool and that's it, when used for bad things.



* Yes that's right. Although the NRA and it's friends enjoy some success in the states by using the UK firearms laws in their spiel, they don't tell you everything. Although there are firearms enthusiasts here, the vast majority of people want nothing to do with guns. They are excercising their freedom of choice. In fact, recent restrictive changes in firearms licensing were and are very popular.

I owned a air rifle when I was 13, my father purchased it for me and I wasn't allowed to use it without supervision until I was 14, that was for a freaking air rifle. Owning a real firearm would have been a pain in the butt, now if I moved back to the UK I would love to see the laws changed and allow law abiding citizens to own firearms for their protection even to the point of carrying them concealed. So long as they have passed a test and classes to prove they are competent with one, but by living over here and the fatc it took 6yrs to be unbrainwashed I love owning firearms I love shooting them but I once thought and felt the same way as everyone else that guns are bad.

Plus the NRA is allot strronger than you give them credit, Tom Daschle is out of a job due to the NRA and 6 out of 8 sponsered Senators gained seats in the House and Senate while Dems lost theirs. But their strength comes as being a collective, 4 millions members that donate money so they can do what they need to to keep our 2nd Am rights.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

The reason this is, is because it's been bred out of the Brits, 100yrs ago it may have been th enorm to own a firearm, hell if you watch those old Sherlock Holmes movies with Basil Rathbone he always carried a gun or was that Dr. Watson, anyway the average joe fears firearms over there now because all you hear about is bad people using them. The view is that it's a criminals tool and that's it, when used for bad things.A little of the mark here Geezah, it was common practice for the gentry, pawn brokers, money lenders and criminals in London to carry pistols due to London being a bigger ****hole for crims then than it is now but for the rest of us it was not an option. Yes the common Joe would run the risk of seizure if the police had felt that his ownership of a firearm not proper and this was something that happened often and the term "not proper" could mean anything. There was change of heart in the 1920's when the Government decided that it was no bad thing to encourage the shooting sports but it was short lived when the great depression came on and the thought of an unemployed armed populus changed their minds.

[Geezah]

The reason this is, is because it's been bred out of the Brits, 100yrs ago it may have been th enorm to own a firearm, hell if you watch those old Sherlock Holmes movies with Basil Rathbone he always carried a gun or was that Dr. Watson, anyway the average joe fears firearms over there now because all you hear about is bad people using them. The view is that it's a criminals tool and that's it, when used for bad things.A little of the mark here Geezah, it was common practice for the gentry, pawn brokers, money lenders and criminals in London to carry pistols due to London being a bigger ****hole for crims then than it is now but for the rest of us it was not an option. Yes the common Joe would run the risk of seizure if the police had felt that his ownership of a firearm not proper and this was something that happened often and the term "not proper" could mean anything. There was change of heart in the 1920's when the Government decided that it was no bad thing to encourage the shooting sports but it was short lived when the great depression came on and the thought of an unemployed armed populus changed their minds.


Check out the following link (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/cgi-bin/ukparl_hl?DB=ukparl&STEMMER=en&WORDS=firearm+&COLOUR=Red&STYLE=s&URL=/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/95ap25.htm#muscat_highlighter_first_match) ,bit of an eye opener and in a way doesn't back up what you are telling me.

[von_Moo142]

Dr. Watson was ex-services (I think he may have served in Afghanistan), so he usually packed the heat. But, IIRC, Sherlock wasn't above carrying either. Might have to re-read some Sherlock Holmes now :-)



Owning a real firearm would have been a pain in the butt, now if I moved back to the UK I would love to see the laws changed and allow law abiding citizens to own firearms for their protection even to the point of carrying them concealed.

Well I think that attitudes here are changing somewhat. But I don't think that it will ever be likely that guns will ever become a viable form of self defense here, unless society collapses or something.

But we may see the firearms licensing laws become more relaxed towards legal ownership. They have been tightened towards illegal ownership lately, and IIRC the campaigners then specifically addressed the fact that the current gun laws don't mean anything from a criminal perspective.

That that can happen is a benifit of the pro-gun groups being far lower key over here: they don't get peoples backs up, like groups such as the NRA (who you pretty much love or hate). The people who are interested in stopping kids from shoting each other don't necessarily have a broader anti-gun agenda.

[James]

A man was shot at by a gang as he sat in his car.

Scotland Yard said the 34-year-old was unhurt and managed to drive away after the attack in Gardiner Court, in Stonebridge, Harlesden, west London.

The three men, who police said were black, opened fire in the early hours of Saturday.

Officers from Operation Trident, which deals with gun grime in the black community, are investigating and are asking for witnesses to come forward.



Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4279813.stm)

Phoney baloney! Everyone knows that firearms are illegal in the UK.

Oh, wait... it was criminals who used the firearm... :roll:

[Mark Sman]

The obvious conclusion from this post is that all the restrictive gun laws in the UK are affecting the marksmanship scores of your criminals.

[EsoognomEhT]

Yes that's right. Although the NRA and it's friends enjoy some success in the states by using the UK firearms laws in their spiel, they don't tell you everything. Although there are firearms enthusiasts here, the vast majority of people want nothing to do with guns. They are excercising their freedom of choice. In fact, recent restrictive changes in firearms licensing were and are very popular.


amen! What the yanks call their right to bear arms, we see as a bunch of crazy rednecks totally obsessed with guns... I found a site on the "michigan militia" the other day, its ****ing hillarious!
If there was a referendum on firearms being legal in this country for everyday 'homeland defence' (because we have such a big threat of invasion obviously, same as America) the result would be a resounding NO..

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

What is the point your trying to make Geezah? That if the victim was carrying a weapon he would not have been shot?

Dude having a shootout in a crowded place is the last thing we need. The chance of stray shots hitting people etc. Come on dude. Common sense should tell you that if the victim had a firearm and shot back the situation would of been much worse.

My previous position at the university meant I was escorted to a bank by 2 armed security guards. Even if we was confronted by anyone that did not even have a gun it was due procedure to simply hand over the money. And this was what the police and trained security police had told us because it is the safest option for your security.

[ShotOver]

Yeah mate, money is insured, no point risking your life over it.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Yeah, if you're a pussy.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

It takes more guts to defuse a situation peacefully then to "open up and put a cap in a his ass"

[BarkingSquirrel]

Takes more guts to defend yourself, than to allow them to f**k you in the ass then proceeding to ask, "Please sir, may I have some more?".

[Geezah]

What is the point your trying to make Geezah? That if the victim was carrying a weapon he would not have been shot?

If you haven't got it yet you never will.



Dude having a shootout in a crowded place is the last thing we need. The chance of stray shots hitting people etc. Come on dude. Common sense should tell you that if the victim had a firearm and shot back the situation would of been much worse.

Who said anything about a crowed place, and why do you keep on calling me dude, are you partial to men?

Anyway, just the fact that law abiding citizens are allowed to carry concealed is a deterrent, and crimianls are well aware of this. what to gun toting criminals currently have to fear........nothing they already know that the law abiding don't have a firearm to use it defensively. And just how do you know the situation would have been worse, so if you defend yourself, common sense should tell you that this is wrong and you need to submit in order for the threat to leave! :cantbeli:



My previous position at the university meant I was escorted to a bank by 2 armed security guards. Even if we was confronted by anyone that did not even have a gun it was due procedure to simply hand over the money. And this was what the police and trained security police had told us because it is the safest option for your security.

OK, and your point is what?.........the same goes over here, just because you carry a firearm concealed doesn't mean your the new Sheriff in town.
I carry concealed and own firearms for the protection of my family and myself not fucting inanimate objects :cantbeli:
There are, believe it or not certain rules that have to be followed when carrying a firearm legally ;)

[Geezah]

It takes more guts to defuse a situation peacefully then to "open up and put a cap in a his ass"

Now you just sound ignorant, if I'm able to run from the scene I will but the only time I will pull my firearm is if I fear for my life, my familys or a third party. It's a last resort, are you getting it yet?

And please "open up and put a cap in a his ass", just makes you sound stupid, which I know you're not.

This might help you out,


Five Rules for Concealed Carry

1. Your concealed handgun is for protection of life only.

Draw it solely in preparation to protect yourself or an innocent third party from the wrongful and life-threatening criminal actions of another.

2. Know exactly when you can use your gun.

A criminal adversary must have, or reasonably appear to have:

the ability to inflict serious bodily injury (he is armed or reasonably appears to be armed with a deadly weapon),

the opportunity to inflict serious bodily harm (he is physically positioned to harm you with his weapon), and

his intent (hostile actions or words) indicates that he means to place you in jeopardy -- to do you serious or fatal physical harm.

When all three of these "attack potential" elements are in place simultaneously, then you are facing a reasonably perceived deadly threat that can justify an emergency deadly force response.

3. If you can run away -- RUN!

Just because you’re armed doesn’t necessarily mean you must confront a bad guy at gunpoint. Develop your "situation awareness" skills so you can be alert to detect and avoid trouble altogether. Keep in mind that if you successfully evade a potential confrontation, the single negative consequence involved might be your bruised ego, which should heal with mature rationalization. But if you force a confrontation you risk the possibility of you or a family member being killed or suffering lifelong crippling/disfiguring physical injury, criminal liability and/or financial ruin from civil lawsuit. Flee if you can, fight only as a last resort.

4. Display your gun, go to jail.

You should expect to be arrested by police at gunpoint, and be charged with a crime anytime your concealed handgun is seen by another citizen in public, regardless of how unintentional or innocent or justified the situation might seem. Choose a method of carry that reliably keeps your gun hidden from public view at all times.

You have no control over how a stranger will react to seeing (or learning about) your concealed handgun. He or she might become alarmed and report you to police as a "man or woman with a gun." Depending on his or her feelings about firearms, this person might be willing to maliciously embellish his or her story in attempt to have your gun seized by police or to get you arrested. An alarmed citizen who reports a "man with a gun" is going to be more credible to police than you when you're stopped because you match the suspect's description, and you're found to have a concealed handgun in your possession.

Before you deliberately expose your gun in public, ask yourself: "Is this worth going to jail for?" The only time this question should warrant a "yes" response is when an adversary has at least, both ability and intent, and is actively seeking the opportunity to do you great harm.

5. Don't let your emotions get the best of you.

If, despite your best efforts to the contrary, you do get into some kind of heated dispute with another person while you’re armed, never mention, imply or exhibit your gun for the purpose of intimidation or one-upmanship. You’ll simply make a bad situation worse -- for yourself (see rule #4).

[Geezah]

Yes that's right. Although the NRA and it's friends enjoy some success in the states by using the UK firearms laws in their spiel, they don't tell you everything. Although there are firearms enthusiasts here, the vast majority of people want nothing to do with guns. They are excercising their freedom of choice. In fact, recent restrictive changes in firearms licensing were and are very popular.


amen! What the yanks call their right to bear arms, we see as a bunch of crazy rednecks totally obsessed with guns... I found a site on the "michigan militia" the other day, its f*** hillarious!
If there was a referendum on firearms being legal in this country for everyday 'homeland defence' (because we have such a big threat of invasion obviously, same as America) the result would be a resounding NO..

Our right was inherited from the UK, slowly but surely the Guberment saw it in there best interest to remove that right, and as far as "homeland defence" goes, I own them for defensive purposes, be that defense against threats within or without. And using the Michigan Militia as an example of everyday firearm owners is pushing the line somewhat.
What do you think the result would be "was a referendum on firearms being legal in this country for everyday use against criminals....what do you think the answer would be?