America would back Israel attack on Iran

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'America would back Israel attack on Iran'

By Francis Harris in Washington
(Filed: 18/02/2005)

President George W Bush added a new twist to the international tension over Iran's nuclear programme last night by pledging to support Israel if it tries to destroy the Islamic regime's capacity to make an atomic bomb.

Asked whether he would back Israel if it raided Teheran's nuclear facilities, Mr Bush first expressed cautious solidarity with European efforts, led by Britain, France and Germany, to negotiate with Iran.

But he quickly qualified himself, adding that all nations should be concerned about whether Iran could make nuclear weapons.

"Clearly, if I was the leader of Israel and I'd listened to some of the statements by the Iranian ayatollahs that regarded the security of my country, I'd be concerned about Iran having a nuclear weapon as well. And in that Israel is our ally, and in that we've made a very strong commitment to support Israel, we will support Israel if her security is threatened."

His comments appeared to be a departure from the administration's line that there are no plans to attack at present and that Washington backs European diplomatic efforts. The remarks may have reflected Mr Bush's personal thinking on an issue causing deep concern in Washington.

Moments later, Mr Bush was asked another question on Iran and appeared to return to his script - this time emphasising the need for a diplomatic effort.

Speaking days before he arrives in Europe on a tour designed to mend fences with estranged allies, he underscored the differences still hobbling western policy towards the Middle East.

Many figures close to the United States administration believe that the European diplomatic initiative is calculated more to dilute America's hardline approach to weapons of mass destruction than to stop Iran's mullahs building a bomb.

Israel, meanwhile, has given warning about Iran's nuclear ambitions, saying that an Iranian bomb might be only six months away and that such a weapon would pose a grave risk to its security. Mr Bush repeated the reasons for America's anxiety: "Remember, this all started when we found [Iran] enriching uranium in an undeclared fashion, and it happened because somebody told on them."

Iran's long march towards becoming a nuclear power appeared to make a significant step forward yesterday with the opening of a £450 million reactor at Bushehr.

A senior Russian nuclear official said he would go to Iran next week to sign a protocol agreeing the return of spent nuclear fuel, the last remaining obstacle to Bushehr's functioning. This will allow deliveries of Russian nuclear fuel.

The protocol's signing has been repeatedly delayed. It aims to ease concerns that Iran could reprocess spent nuclear fuel from Bushehr to extract plutonium, which could be used in nuclear weapons.

Iran's influential former president, Hashemi Rafsanjani, speaking yesterday after meeting the Syrian prime minister, Mohammad Naji al-Otari, said his country needed to create a powerful alliance with Syria, Iraq and other Arab countries.

Mr Rafsanjani, widely expected to run in Iran's June presidential elections, said the region must "stay completely vigilant vis-a-vis the US and Israeli plots".

America has this week stepped up its rhetoric against Syria following Monday's murder of the former Lebanese premier, Rafik al-Hariri. Pro-Syrian elements have been widely accused of involvement.

Mr Bush called on Syria yesterday to obey a UN resolution demanding that it remove its troops from Lebanon and restore the country's independence.

He said: "We've recalled our ambassador [from Damascus], which indicates the relationship is not moving forward; that Syria is out of step with the progress being made in the greater Middle East."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/02/18/wiran18.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/02/18/ixnewstop.html

[usa320]

'America would back Israel attack on Iran'

Who woulda thought?

[NicNZ]

Heh real newsflash there huh

[beNder]

i know Israel bombed the iraqi facility years back and there was no response...interesting as to iran's response would be if such an attack occured...

[Zander]

i know Israel bombed the iraqi facility years back and there was no response...interesting as to iran's response would be if such an attack occured...

shahab-3 and hezbollah imo.

[promillo]

any direct iranian answer at israeli defense measures would bring the end to the mullah-tyrants.
:-)

So if israel neutralizes the iranian a-weapons program, the only answer will be more terror against israel...but the hisbollah is easily to be beheaded, Israel knows how to neutralize the chief-terrorists and the name nasrallah is sure painted at an israeli hellfire ;-)

But first of all, israel has to defend itself against the iranian a-weapons scourge. Thats the most important task so ensure that there will no second shoa.

[Clarsachier]

It's hard to see how the Israelis could bomb those sites without harming the Russian technicians engaged there.

[Zander]

It's hard to see how the Israelis could bomb those sites without harming the Russian technicians engaged there.

Busheir plant isn't their major problem, their problems are somewhere under mountains. Even with nuclear bombs it will be hard to destroy such facilities, but they will have first to locate them...

[Sir Zach of R.]

It's hard to see how the Israelis could bomb those sites without harming the Russian technicians engaged there.

Busheir plant isn't their major problem, their problems are somewhere under mountains. Even with nuclear bombs it will be hard to destroy such facilities, but they will have first to locate them...

I'm sure the US would be glad to loan a few MOABs to our Jewish friends. p-)

[Zander]

It's hard to see how the Israelis could bomb those sites without harming the Russian technicians engaged there.

Busheir plant isn't their major problem, their problems are somewhere under mountains. Even with nuclear bombs it will be hard to destroy such facilities, but they will have first to locate them...

I'm sure the US would be glad to loan a few MOABs to our Jewish friends. p-)

even with the grand mother of all bombs ill be glad to see your guys trying to blow up a mountain.

[Thor]

Big news to anyone?

Israel owns the US government.

[promillo]

This would be nice, but unfortunately its not true.

[UoUo]

Big news to anyone?

Jews owns the US government.

And drink muslims blood every day and night.


Fixed*.

[moughoun]

Big news to anyone?

Jews owns the US government.

And drink muslims blood every day and night.


Fixed*.

do you get all your daily vitamin's out of it, or do you have to take supplement's too?

[Kilgor]

Big news to anyone?

Israel owns the US government.

Hitler used to say that too ...

[beNder]

Big news to anyone?

Jews owns the US government.

And drink muslims blood every day and night.


Fixed*.

:lol: you forgot they own all the banks... ;)

[Jobu]

I would support an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities too.

[BarkingSquirrel]

And the organ havesting ;)

[Thor]

Big news to anyone?

Israel owns the US government.


Fixed*.

:lol: you forgot they own all the banks... ;)

What's funny about that (unless you are jewish)?

Actually "Israel owns the US government" is more or less an exact quote of an israelian prime minister..

[DuDe]

Actually "Israel own the US government" is more or less an exact quote of an israelian prime minister..
Source please? Preferably not one associated with nazi apologists?

[beNder]

like..AllJewsMustDie.com or something...

wait, there is probably such a web address...

[Thor]

Actually "Israel own the US government" is more or less an exact quote of an israelian prime minister..
Source please? Preferably not one associated with nazi apologists?
"Everytime we do something you tell me America will do this or that, I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it."

[Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Israel radio.]
ref. http://list.haifa.ac.il/pipermail/alef/2004-June/005707.html

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Big news to anyone?

Israel owns the US government.

Hitler used to say that too ...



via china? I don't get it..


the jews don't control ****, just like everyoe else, but for some reason everyone seems to want to hate someone, so we should all wake up or kill each other. Random, Iknow but the point still stands.,

[Thor]

It's a bolshevik.. Have you read what Churchill wrote about the russian revolution?

So the jews don't control ****.. It could be funny, but ignorance never is really.

[-=P=-]

Could anyone tell me how a bomb like the MOAB could destroy strong hardened installations ? Do everybody know how a MOAB works ?

With what aircraft Israel wants to deliver the MOAB ?


:lol: :lol:

[promillo]

This little toy might do the job:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/gbu-28.htm

:lol:

[promillo]

via china? I don't get it..


This is not an redchinese, but an russian-asian bolshewik

It shows the biggest enemies and scapegoats of Nazi-propaganda.
1. the Jew (of Course)
2. The Russki-Bolshewik
3. Uncle Sam (USA)
4. Britain

[BlackRain]

I'm sure the US would be glad to loan a few MOABs to our Jewish friends. p-)

We have already agreed to sell the Israeli's 500 BLU-109 "bunker buster" bombs.





The 2,000 pound BLU-109 bomb was specifically designed to defeat an enemy's most critical and hardened targets: secure command locations, protected weapon storage sites, and key transportation and communication resources. The BLU-109's advanced technology one-piece high-strength forged steel casing is one inch thick and can penetrate up to six feet of reinforced concrete. The weapon penetrates the target intact to get to the deep interior of hardened sites, where a delayed-action fuse detonates the 550 pounds of high explosive Tritonal, ensuring complete destruction of the location.

The BLU-109 warhead can be delivered as either a guided or unguided weapon. However, the BLU-109/B is usually mated with a laser guidance kit to form a GBU-24/A penetrator bomb.

[Thor]

This is not an redchinese, but an russian-asian bolshewik

It shows the biggest enemies and scapegoats of Nazi-propaganda.
1. the Jew (of Course)
2. The Russki-Bolshewik
3. Uncle Sam (USA)
4. Britain

What it shows is the many shapes and forms of jewish control and influence. The appearance may differ but it's all the same. In Russia bolshevism, in the US capitalism and so on.

[DuDe]

Actually "Israel own the US government" is more or less an exact quote of an israelian prime minister..
Source please? Preferably not one associated with nazi apologists?
"Everytime we do something you tell me America will do this or that, I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it."

[Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Israel radio.]
ref. http://list.haifa.ac.il/pipermail/alef/2004-June/005707.html
And this source is credible, how? Googling the above quote leads you to nothing but Neo-Nazi and Indymedia sites.
Edit : why do I bother, Thor seems to be quite of a Nazi apologist by himself.

[BigBaribal]

Big news to anyone?

Israel owns the US government.


Fixed*.

:lol: you forgot they own all the banks... ;)

What's funny about that (unless you are jewish)?

Actually "Israel owns the US government" is more or less an exact quote of an israelian prime minister..


Yes, it's true.

That's what Ariel Sharon said to Shimon Péres on the Kol Yisraël radio , October 3rd, 2001).



We, the Jewish people, we control America and the Americans know it .

[BigBaribal]

Btw, some infos on this page (probably not very objective in the presentation, but I believe the numbers are correct):

http://www.wrmea.com/us_aid_to_israel/index.htm

[BigBaribal]

And these quotes from Henry Kissinger are also very interesting, especially for the US soldiers now in Irak, so far from their homes:


Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.

The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East. (Washington, September 1994)

[S'13]

Big news to anyone?

Israel owns the US government.


Fixed*.

:lol: you forgot they own all the banks... ;)

What's funny about that (unless you are jewish)?

Actually "Israel owns the US government" is more or less an exact quote of an israelian prime minister..


Yes, it's true.

That's what Ariel Sharon said to Shimon Péres on the Kol Yisraël radio , October 3rd, 2001).



We, the Jewish people, we control America and the Americans know it .

Gosh! We thought you already knew! :lol:

This could be either of the two:

Sharon was being sarcastic.

What he said was misinterpreted.

[BigBaribal]

Big news to anyone?

Israel owns the US government.


Fixed*.

:lol: you forgot they own all the banks... ;)

What's funny about that (unless you are jewish)?

Actually "Israel owns the US government" is more or less an exact quote of an israelian prime minister..


Yes, it's true.

That's what Ariel Sharon said to Shimon Péres on the Kol Yisraël radio , October 3rd, 2001).



We, the Jewish people, we control America and the Americans know it .

Gosh! We thought you already knew! :lol:

This could be either of the two:

Sharon was being sarcastic.

What he said was misinterpreted.


As an other example, that's what Dominique Strauss-Kahn, a socialist who may run for the French presidency in 2007, said in 1991:

Je considère que tout Juif dans la diaspora, et donc c’est vrai en France, doit partout où il le peut apporter son aide à Israël. C’est pour ça d’ailleurs qu’il est important que les Juifs prennent des responsabilités politiques. [...] En somme, dans mes fonctions et dans ma vie de tous les jours, au travers de l’ensemble de mes actions, j’essaie de faire en sorte que ma modeste pierre soit apportée à la construction de la terre d’Israël.


I consider that any Jew in the diaspora, and thus it is true in France, must everywhere where it it can bring his assistance to Israel. It is for that besides that it is important that the Jews take political all things considered responsabilities [... ], in my functions and my life of every day, through the whole of my actions, I try to make so that my modest stone is brought to the construction of the ground of Israel.

Sorry for the Babelfish translation.

[S'13]

Btw, some infos on this page (probably not very objective in the presentation, but I believe the numbers are correct):


You don't say... :lol:

The following are much more comprehensive evaluations:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/foreign_aid.html

http://www.usaid.gov/pubs/cbj2003/ane/il/

[DuDe]

Big news to anyone?

Israel owns the US government.


Fixed*.

:lol: you forgot they own all the banks... ;)

What's funny about that (unless you are jewish)?

Actually "Israel owns the US government" is more or less an exact quote of an israelian prime minister..


Yes, it's true.

That's what Ariel Sharon said to Shimon Péres on the Kol Yisraël radio , October 3rd, 2001).



We, the Jewish people, we control America and the Americans know it .

Gosh! We thought you already knew! :lol:

This could be either of the two:

Sharon was being sarcastic.

What he said was misinterpreted.
Or that he hasn't said it at all, because a remark like that would've made a huge uproar around the world, which it hasn't.

[Thor]

And these quotes from Henry Kissinger are also very interesting, especially for the US soldiers now in Irak, so far from their homes:


Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.

The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East. (Washington, September 1994)

About Kissinger.. It's now a common belief that he was the source "deep throath" in the Watergate scandal.. Anyone surprised...?

I probably should point out that I have written positive things about Israel and IDF as well, and I think it's good that the jews have their homeland. So I'm not anti-Israel in that sense.


Or that he hasn't said it at all, because a remark like that would've made a huge uproar around the world, which it hasn't.
Sharon has said much worse things than that. The guy isn't exactly a diplomat. :)

[BigBaribal]

I probably should point out that I have written positive things about Israel and IDF as well, and I think it's good that the jews have their homeland. So I'm not anti-Israel in that sense.

Me too, I've nothing against Isreal. As an example, I'm rather for the separation wall and I understant the need of long-term security of the hebrew state.

But I don't like the fact that so many countries are getting involved in affairs in which they have nothing to do or to gain.

[S'13]

As an other example, that's what Dominique Strauss-Kahn, a socialist who may run for the French presidency in 2007, said in 1991:


I consider that any Jew in the diaspora, and thus it is true in France, must everywhere where it it can bring his assistance to Israel. It is for that besides that it is important that the Jews take political all things considered responsabilities [... ], in my functions and my life of every day, through the whole of my actions, I try to make so that my modest stone is brought to the construction of the ground of Israel.



And is this wrong?

It's his right to support Israel just as any person has the right to be hostile to Israel.

This support of Israel doesn't contradict the Jews loyalty to the French nation.

The Jews have proved this time and again...

BTW, do you know who faunded Dassault that builds so many planes that the French are (and should be) proud of?
A Jew named Marcel Bloch.

[BigBaribal]

Yes, a great aircraft engineer and a true French patriot. No doubt about it.