Concealed Carry Weapon Questions

[TacoDelRio]

To anyone with a CCW:

I'm looking to buy a few pistols this year, namely one specifically for concealed carry, after I get my CCW, of course. Since I'm rather new to this, I've got a few questions:

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What do you personally carry?

Do you use a retention device, such as a lanyard?

What type of clothing do you personally wear to conceal it, yet remain casual? (IE not DELTA FORCE!)

What do you think are some of the characteristics of a "perfect" CCW gun?

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I'm personally looking at two options for a dedicated CCW gun: the Para CCW LDA, and the Warthog. We haven't gotten and Warthogs in yet (stupid Cali laws)

Here's the CCO (Concealed Carry Option):
http://www.paraord.com/product/product.html?id=34

I like this one because of just how plain nice and small it is, while still being comfortable to use, with an easy to manipulate safety, and light (LDA) trigger.

Here's the Warthog, which boasts 10+1 capacity in a .45ACP (big eh?)
http://www.paraord.com/product/product.html?id=7

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/para_warthog.jpg

My personal opinion is that it's a bit too wide to wear comfortably all day long. Then again, it's the only one I haven't played with yet. I might hold out for this, but still having the CCO gives you the ability to really comfortably use an in-the-pants holster comfortably.

Well, I'm just curious how you guys do it. Lemme know what's up in your state.

p-)

[Aussie E]

What do you personally carry? G27

Do you use a retention device, such as a lanyard? No

What type of clothing do you personally wear to conceal it, yet remain casual? (IE not DELTA FORCE!) Long cut shirts and jackets (Carhart) and the ole it's a gunpack not a fannypack

What do you think are some of the characteristics of a "perfect" CCW gun? Night Sights, simplicity, large enough caliber to do the job and above all else RELIABILITY

[TacoDelRio]

Good stuff! Subcompact Glock .40. Good idea!
Gonna try out that G39?

Simplicity the G27 surely does have!

[James]

I carry a full size 1911, either a Colt or a Kimber in a Kramer IWB hip holster. Those few times when it is warm and muggy out (I live in Seattle, remember) I carry a Sig P232 in a similar holster.

I am a reasonably big guy (5'11", @210 lbs, and not fat ;) ), so I can get away with a 1911... SOmeone 5'7" and 140 lbs. would probably want to carry something smaller.

In my opinion, you should carry something that you are comfortable with AND proficient with. A lot of people aren't so fond of the 1911 because it is big, SA only and has a manual safety, but I have fired so many tens of thousands of rounds thru them that I don't even think about these things anymore.

If I am packing my rod ( rofl I've been reading Mickey Spillane recently) I wear shirts loose enough to conceal it (and that I don't need to tuck in). I do not use a lanyard.

[Dennis G]

myself, Kimber 1911...

[TacoDelRio]

Good stuff.

I'm going for a 1911, just what I'm used to also. I see you guys go along the same lines. Good stuff.

How about spare magazines? You carry any sort of spare mag pouches?

In my early-early stage of CCW ideas, here's what I've got planned:

-1911 (4", 5", whatever) Ed Brown, Les Baer (we're gettin' sum!), who knows
-Holster - Probably some Blackhawk CQC stuff
-Retention Lanyard - Got an issue SDS one here
-Spare pouch - Some BHI stuff also, CQC low-profile 2 mags
-Handcuffs - Dominatrix style takedown
-Cleaning Kit - For stuff
-Facepaint - That too

Yeah the last three were just there for laughs.

I'd like a lanyard for a bit, just to see how it works. How often it gets in the way, snags on stuff when I walk through stores or restaurants if it flops out (sounds dirty!), all that crap. I just now got a lanyard, so I'm new to that too.

I'd really like a Les Baer. They're f*cking amazing. They come in boring ass cardboard boxes though. Oh well ain't paying for the box. Anyway, hopefully they've got one that's not super mega matched-out, and SB15 (California approved :() that will work.

Or this Kimber "Tactical" pistol, 5" standard length:
http://www.kimberamerica.com/tactical.php
http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pistols/tacticalcustom_II.jpg

Mag changes on this thing are very fast. I'm gettin good with it. Maybe I'll get good with my checkbook and actually make enough to take it seriously.

Thanks for the replies guys.

[eggroll]

anything more than one spare magazine or a BUG and you OUGHT to reconsider WTF you are doing, where you are going or who you are hanging around.

lanyard on a concealed carry? yeah lets add additional **** to snag on or afford your opponent a means of disarming you and giving themselves a weapon.

:fork: this is a topic that merits further discussion in a dedicated forum, but the whole point is a mindset and practice issue rather than trying to outfit a BATBELT.... in whic h case consider a dominatrix outfit with rubber nipples! p-)

[Beowulf]

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What do you personally carry? Walther P99 .40

Do you use a retention device, such as a lanyard? No

What type of clothing do you personally wear to conceal it, yet remain casual? (IE not DELTA FORCE!)

Heavy/Light jacket, untucked long sleeve button down shirt. (usually a mid-weight to heavy material like flannel)

I carry OWB, strong side just behind the hip. I need to get an IWB holster b/c I live in the south, it's difficult to conceal OWB in warmer weather.

What do you think are some of the characteristics of a "perfect" CCW gun?

A lot depends on the shooter. I believe you should carry the largest caliber that you can confortably carry, reasonably conceal, and fire quickly,accuratelym and reliably.

Price unfortunately is always a factor for most people. I am wary of ultra-compact weapons, although some like the very small Kimber .45's I prefer a compact or full size weapon in .40 or 45 Form there it's a matter of which particular wepon suits your tastes.
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p-)

I've been meaning to get a small revolver for backup or hot weather carry. I'm thinking interior-weak-side-ankle holster. p-) If that makes sense....

[Aussie E]

Make sure you carry a good flashlight as well.

[Beowulf]

anything more than one spare magazine or a BUG and you OUGHT to reconsider WTF you are doing, where you are going or who you are hanging around.

lanyard on a concealed carry? yeah lets add additional **** to snag on or afford your opponent a means of disarming you and giving themselves a weapon.
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p-)

I agree that the lanyard is a bad idea, one of the keys of CC is the element of surprise. Lanyards are a retention tool for police/mil, b/c they carry in the open....

[Initiative]

What do you personally carry? G27

x2 my G30 is too big...

[James]

When I pack my rod (Mickey Spillane again... rofl ) I carry one extra magazine. With my .45, that gives me a total of 17 rounds; 9 in the pistol and 8 in my extra mag. If I need more than that (since we are talking about self defense and whatnot), then I have likely ehxibited very poor judgement in one way or another.

Always carry an extra mag though.

[CG51]

I've been reading Mickey Spillane recently

*R Lee Ermy voice*

Jezzus H Christ, your not a writer, your a killer!


when i lived in cali i carried a .38 tarus with +P which made it a hot round comparable to a .357...

if your gonna drop a grand then maybe get a titanium .357, 7 round by tarus

http://www.taurususa.com/imagesMain/H_617TB2C.jpg

[gaijinsamurai]

before I moved to Asia I worked in law enforcement. The off-duty weapon I normally carried was a Colt Agent .38, in a fanny-pack rig. On occasion, I'd choose to pack my Glock 19, CZ75, or Springfield .45, usually without an extra magazine, unless I was going out of town and stowing the pistol under the seat of my car.

[oscarsierra]

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[oscarsierra]

So do you all feel a need to carry firearms with you whenever you go out?

It's a tool. Just like a tire-iron, an emergency credit card/cash, a spare, extra anti-freeze, wearing a helmet when you bike, buying band-aids; the list can go on forever. I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

So in answer; yes.

[James]

So do you all feel a need to carry firearms with you whenever you go out?

It's a tool. Just like a tire-iron, an emergency credit card/cash, a spare, extra anti-freeze, wearing a helmet when you bike, buying band-aids; the list can go on forever. I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

So in answer; yes.

What he said. Better safe than sorry.

[yiorgo]

only 2 options in my opinion....SandW 340PD scandium 357/38...weights in at 11oz use the new speer dot 38 plus P ammo...357 is a hand cannon but way cool.......also another consideration if you really want to carry a .45 is the new KAHR P45 coming out.....6.3in in length, 4.5in in height, 6+1, 1in wide and weights only 17oz.....to put it into perspective as big as a G26/27 but way thinner and way lighter

[wiking]

So do you all feel a need to carry firearms with you whenever you go out?

It's just like condoms, you'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. ;) (Alien vs. Predator, for those who haven't seen it)

Here in Norway concealed carry is really not possible, allthough in EXTREME cases you can get a weapon for personal defence. I don't know if it has ever been done, but there is the possibility in the gun laws.

But if my house ever was broken into and i had weapons in the house, I would use it if needed.

A mates dad was in the Norwegian Navy, and he had a Colt .45 at home, before his parents married his mother was at home while his dad was out and someone tried to break in. They didn't get in, but she had the .45 and could have used it if they had gotten in.

[gaijinsamurai]

Mantis wrote: "So do you all feel a need to carry firearms with you whenever you go out?"

Speaking for myself, I currently live in a country with a very low rate of violent crime, which also bans the personal possesion of handguns. I miss being able to target shoot and play with my collection, but I don't miss packing a sidearm every day.
In the US, I worked in a job where I had to arrest people, almost on a daily basis. Many of these offenders would end up in prison, and often their sentences were results of my arrest and/or testimony before a judge or parole board. Even though I lived in a relatively-safe, medium-sized city in Oregon, I felt more at ease if I had the means to protect myself when I was off-duty. I didn't always pack a gun, but I liked knowing that I had the option to do so.
If/when I return to the US, I probably won't go back to a career in law enforcement, but if I live in the same city, I will likely always have to look over my shoulder, and I will definitely maintain a concealed carry permit.

[Uncle Sam]

What do you personally carry? Springfield XD .40 sub 3" / Walther P99 .40 QA

Do you use a retention device, such as a lanyard? Nope

What type of clothing do you personally wear to conceal it, yet remain casual? (IE not DELTA FORCE!)

I live in Florda, ie. hot most of the time. So during the summer I carry my XD sub IWB strong behind hip with shorts and t-shirt (slight bulge, but not very noticeable) in a bladetech "UCH" IWB. I avoid leather.

For the cooler months, wearing jeans and shirt/light jacket, I carry my Walther P99 in a bladetech SOB OSW grip up.

What do you think are some of the characteristics of a "perfect" CCW gun?

Whatever fit's YOU the best. I am thinking of getting a kahr arms PM40 .40 for my CCW during the Summer months. Small, lightweight, and very concealabe.

[MEGR]

I was thinking about carrying a .22 Ruger w/hollowpoints. Some places in Charlotte can get pretty nasty.

[Laconian]

What do you personally carry? Either a Sig .40 (P229) or a S&W 640-1 (.357) Or both. (I am restricted by agency policy)

Do you use a retention device, such as a lanyard? No. Lanyard=Bad idea on concealed carry, but a thumbreak on your rig has +'s & -'s.

What type of clothing do you personally wear to conceal it, yet remain casual? (IE not DELTA FORCE!) I live in the south, so 9 months out of the year, Bowling style shirts, Polo shirts or big Tshirts with a "tail" and Dockers or Cargo pants. My holsters are either an IWB or OWB holster for the Sig (worn strongside behind the hip. For the 5 shot, either and IWB or an ankle rig worn inside the off hand leg. Of course you can't wear shorts this way...Word of advice on the shirts, the louder the print or pattern, the less likely your rig is to "print." My Eagle fanny pack if I am lazy...

What do you think are some of the characteristics of a "perfect" CCW gun? Reliability, concealability, weight (you will carry a whole lot more than you need to shoot).

Given my druthers, I'd carry a LW Colt Commander-style or maybe an LW Officer-style model, but I really like my 5-shot too and the Glock 26 I had for awhile, but what works for me or someone else might not work for you.... Whatever you decide to carry, practice, practice, practice, practice, your draw (dry-fire) with a variety of clothing styles and your reholster as well. I would recommend one ammo change (speed strip or speedloader or mag). Good Luck.

[Beowulf]

lets stay on-topic. this isn't a gun control topic. It's a CC topic.

there are plenty of gun control debates in the pol. rants section

[CMEPTb]

Getting a CCW in CA is a tremendous pain in the behind, especially in the LA area. If I may ask, on what grounds do you plan on applying? (this is addressed to mr. skorostnoy)

[tc2129]

What do you personally carry?
Glock 23 .40S&W with 13 round mag loaded with 180 gr. Speer Gold Dots or a Taurus 850 CIA Ti .38 special loaded with Corbon 125 gr. +P. I also always have a NAA .22 Magnum Mini-revolver.

Do you use a retention device, such as a lanyard?
No

What type of clothing do you personally wear to conceal it, yet remain casual? (IE not DELTA FORCE!)
I am in Florida, so it is usually very hot and humid. So to conceal, I wear polo style shirts, button up shirts and larger T-shirts left untucked with cargo pants, jeans a waist size bigger for IWB holsters, and shorts, again with the shirts left untucked. As far as holsters, the Taurus rides in an IWB on the strongside. The mini-.22 usually in a pocket in a pocket holster. The Glock in various holsters depending on weather and clothing. I have a Fobus paddle, and a Galco. Also have used Glock's belt holster a few times. Looking at the new Galco Matrix.

What do you think are some of the characteristics of a "perfect" CCW gun?
A weapon that fits you. One you are comfortable with, have practiced with, and you shoot very well with. Weight is a big consideration.

[James]

Getting a CCW in CA is a tremendous pain in the behind, especially in the LA area. If I may ask, on what grounds do you plan on applying?

I live in Washington State (Seattle)... WA is a "shall issue" state. Initial application takes about a month - your record and fingerprints go to the State Patrol and the FBI. If you are clean, you get your permit.

[memphiz]

Can you carry more than one gun on you?

[James]

Can you carry more than one gun on you?

In WA it is calle a "Concealed Pistol License". I can carry as many as I want, but I think one will suffice.

[memphiz]

Can you carry more than one gun on you?

In WA it is calle a "Concealed Pistol License". I can carry as many as I want, but I think one will suffice.
Sweet!

[eggroll]

Hey if you live in country that prohibits personal freedoms and abilities and are perfectly fine with that, then thats your perogative.

I personally would rather have the ability to fight back if the situation goes south rather unexpectedly. But again, having a carry weapon is ONLY one facet of bearing the document saying that you can. If you cant understand that then I will not expend further time to educate you, as it is your job to step up and find out yourself.



be well -

[TacoDelRio]

Mantis wrote:
So do you all feel a need to carry firearms with you whenever you go out?

Hell @#%@%#@ing yes! I live in Los Angeles. "West side", nigga. rofl When I walk to the store, some places I go through look WORSE than Tijuana. Worse, not better. And people here like trying to get me into fighting them, puffing out their chests, smacking their chests, and talking real fast while looking angry, I dunno why. And they all take pride in being in gangs, like it's some sort of cool thing to be in semi-organised crime. I dunno, once more. I'm just a single tall white dude in the middle of Mexico 2.

Once again, if you don't want to have the right to FIGHT BACK when someone decides your life is worth less than your wallet and all $15.38 that's in it, then that's fine by me. I just want the ability to say "No.".


It was interesting to see the responses. One spare magazine seems to be the semi-norm, and without a retention lanyard. Makes sense. No snagging on ****. Remember, I'm new to this, and I don't intend to go out with a tactical vest on looking all high-speed and ****. Just checking out what the other guys do.

Might go with that Kimber Custom 2 Tactical 5", just standard stuff.

CMEPTb: The company I work through does training for CCW. LA county is pure bullcrap, which is where I live, damnit. HOWEVER, you go through the San Bernardino SD, and they issue about 3,200 CCW's a year. They tell you all the stuff ya need in the course (which I have not done yet, obviously).

*And to whomever said "carry a good flashlight", I do. I've got a Surefire E1E Executive Elite with a KL1 LED head. It's the smallest light Surefire sells, fitted with an LED head, which makes it real freakin' bright, and it lasts about 2 hours before the battery turns to crap. It's either that, or I've got one without a clip (G2 Nitrolon) which is a no-go, or one that's too long (C3 Centurion), both of which are attastched to other "boomsticks".



Thanks for the large quantity of replies guys!

[Geezah]

What do you personally carry? SIG 239, 9mm, Stainless/Nitron Slide, Nite Sights.

Do you use a retention device, such as a lanyard? No

What type of clothing do you personally wear to conceal it, yet remain casual?This had me abit parrers, I went out last weekend and carried for the first time, met my Wife at the car dealers for some insurance work, then went to Wal-Mart(for some reason all SIG owners new to CCW must buy ammo at Wa-Mart(unwritten law I guess p-) )then off to Krogers. I had a hooded sweat on and was paranoid the whole time the butt was exposed as I wear an IWB holster, found out that 3 o'clock doesn't work and will be moving to the 4 o'clock position. And you have to add the stupid Ohio law that requires your firearm to be in plain sight on your person when in a car, hence the 3 o'clock :cantbeli:

What do you think are some of the characteristics of a "perfect" CCW gun?Hard to tell really this is my first firearm purchased for CCW but as I love the P226, I had to stick with SIG ;)

I have a Down Under (http://www.highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/_Down_Under_Straps/_down_under_straps.html) holster from High Noon Holsters (http://www.highnoonholsters.com/index.html) and also have Double Take (http://www.highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/_Double_Take/_double_take.html) mag pouch.

[Geezah]

Where are all you from?


West London then Xenia, Ohio and it's a shame you can't carry there.

Anyway to keep this on topic you are more than welcome to visit any number of my posts on the errors of gun control in the Political Rants section. ;)

[wiking]

MrSkorotsnoy,

It sounds like you REALLY need a gun in your neighbour hood.
But why do you live in it? The way you describe it, moving sounds like a bloody good idea.


Geezah,

How's that like, the first time. Are you scared ****less someone's going to see it and call the cops, or that it's going to just fall out?

It has to be in plain sight when you are in the car? WTF!?!?!

I can see it makes sense from the lawmakers\ Law enforcement officers point of view, but personally i think it just sounds FUBAR.


To anyone who carries, have you ever been pulled over or stopped by a police officer while carrying, and how do you handle that situation?
You don't just tell a copper "i'm carrying", that would most likely freak him out.

[Werewolf01]

My primary carry pistol is a M1911a1, I carry two extra mags,(if you need more than two extra mags, you probably need a rifle) and I do not use a lanyard. I normally wear a photographer's vest in the Summer, which works out well, because I smoke a pipe and it gives me a place to kepp my pipe, my matches and my Old Ironsides. In the wintertime I wear my Barbour with a liner or a wool overcoat. My theory is if the Latakia doesn't repel the would be bad guys, the 185 gr Silvertips will. A CCW needs to be reliable and accurate, and you need to be exceptionally familiar with it. You should fire at leat 250 rounds a month through it. I am 5'10" and a very non-fat 197 pounds (run 9 miles a day and you will see what I mean). You might want to check some of the legal precedent for carrying SA in your area. If you buy a 1911 variant, invest in a little training (Gunsite, etc.) and you will have a good fall back if you ever end up in court, unless you have been trained in the military or elsewhere. To answer another query, yes, I feel compelled to carry a weapon that may save my life or the lives of others. I believe in self reliance, and I do not want nor expect big brother to watch my back.

[Geezah]

Geezah,

How's that like, the first time. Are you scared ****less someone's going to see it and call the cops, or that it's going to just fall out?

I was more worried about leaving an outline of the butt on my clothes and the fact my sweater would ride up above it, but not worried about falling out, I have the retention screw just tight enough, plus I held my holster upside down with the firearm in(at home) and swung it around and it didn't go anywhere ;)



It has to be in plain sight when you are in the car? WTF!?!?!

I can see it makes sense from the lawmakers\ Law enforcement officers point of view, but personally i think it just sounds FUBAR.

That was the Ohio State Troopers that wanted that written into the law, the guy in charge of the OSHP sai that if someone tries to attack you in your car to drive away. Well next thing you know a couple of people tried that and got shot and died, plus the Fraternity of Police Officers and Buckeye Sheriff's Assc kept on trying to hold meetings with the OSHP, but they refused or kept on stalling. Anyway went through but I look for the plain view crap to go away soon.



To anyone who carries, have you ever been pulled over or stopped by a police officer while carrying, and how do you handle that situation?
You don't just tell a copper "i'm carrying", that would most likely freak him out.

No, not yet.
In Ohio, you basically have to tell him straight away that you have a license to carry concealed and you have the firearm on you. At no point must you movement towards it. But no, I haven't been pulled yet, and I'm not looking forward to when it happens.

[Uncle Sam]

To anyone who carries, have you ever been pulled over or stopped by a police officer while carrying, and how do you handle that situation?
You don't just tell a copper "i'm carrying", that would most likely freak him out.

In Florida, you don't have to say a thing to the Police, even if you are stopped. But...It's always a good idea to say you carry concealed and show your CC license aka "CWL" in FLorida, (If you have a weapon on you at that time)

I was stopped for speeding, not too long ago, and along with my drivers license and insurance card, I gave him my CC license and said "I am presently carrying concealed."

We "chatted" for a few minutes and he let me go with a warning.

[James]

To anyone who carries, have you ever been pulled over or stopped by a police officer while carrying, and how do you handle that situation?
You don't just tell a copper "i'm carrying", that would most likely freak him out.

In Florida, you don't have to say a thing to the Police, even if you are stopped. But...It's always a good idea to say you carry concealed and show your CC license aka "CWL" in FLorida, (If you have a weapon on you at that time)

I was stopped for speeding, not too long ago, and along with my drivers license and insurance card, I gave him my CC license and said "I am presently carrying concealed."

We "chatted" for a few minutes and he let me go with a warning.

Was it a warning for speeding or a warning for carrying a rod?

I've been pulled over for driving too fast a few times, and once a friendly state trooper stopped to help me change a flat tire. I didn't mention the fact that I was packing... If they'd asked, of course, I would've done whatever they wanted me to do. I'm sure that the trooper who helped me with the flat tire knew I was packing heat, but he didn't say anything about it.

[TacoDelRio]

MrSkorotsnoy,

It sounds like you REALLY need a gun in your neighbour hood.
But why do you live in it? The way you describe it, moving sounds like a bloody good idea.

Money. Can't move till I have enough of it to buy some resemblance of a house in a better place, like Nevada or Arizona. Till then, it's here in sunny Kalifornia.

As far as I was told, you just show the police officer your CCW. He can figure out the rest.

[Uncle Sam]

To anyone who carries, have you ever been pulled over or stopped by a police officer while carrying, and how do you handle that situation?
You don't just tell a copper "i'm carrying", that would most likely freak him out.

In Florida, you don't have to say a thing to the Police, even if you are stopped. But...It's always a good idea to say you carry concealed and show your CC license aka "CWL" in FLorida, (If you have a weapon on you at that time)

I was stopped for speeding, not too long ago, and along with my drivers license and insurance card, I gave him my CC license and said "I am presently carrying concealed."

We "chatted" for a few minutes and he let me go with a warning.

Was it a warning for speeding or a warning for carrying a rod?

I've been pulled over for driving too fast a few times, and once a friendly state trooper stopped to help me change a flat tire. I didn't mention the fact that I was packing... If they'd asked, of course, I would've done whatever they wanted me to do. I'm sure that the trooper who helped me with the flat tire knew I was packing heat, but he didn't say anything about it.

A warning to slow down. He was all for personal protection, that's what we "chatted" about. He basically wanted to know what I was carrying, he seemed pretty cool.

[CMEPTb]

I go to school in downtown so I know exactly what you're talking about - neighborhood wise.

You might want to consider something without an external hammer like a glock that won't get caught in your clothes if you need to pull it out in a hurry. g26 in 9mm takes 12 round mags...g 27 in 40 cal takes 11

[James]

A warning to slow down. He was all for personal protection, that's what we "chatted" about. He basically wanted to know what I was carrying, he seemed pretty cool.

Cool. I have a couple of buddies who are cops around here, and we get together from time to time while they're on duty for coffee, dinner, whatever. Once I went on a ride along with one of them (back in October). He only asked if I was carrying, just so he'd know. Then, because of my background, he basically gave me carte blanche if something bad happened.

[TacoDelRio]

The Para-Ordnance LDA CCO has a cut-off hamme. It's there, but it only protrudes slightly when cocked.

What school do you go to?

[eggroll]

back to the original idea - MrS

1 spare mag in a kydex belt carrier with adjustable tensioning - I personally do not carry my surefire along the same plane as my spare mag... wouldnt want to slam home a light and shine a mag.

An E2E, cell and Strider Tarani wind out my on the town getup.

[James]

back to the original idea - MrS

1 spare mag in a kydex belt carrier with adjustable tensioning - I personally do not carry my surefire along the same plane as my spare mag... wouldnt want to slam home a light and shine a mag.

An E2E, cell and Strider Tarani wind out my on the town getup.

Good call about the light.

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

Nice post, I voted YES. Definitely..

I was thinkin of gettin a HK USP, ~Compact~ but some said it was too bulky for concealment. Anyways, I m i g h t try a SIG P229 instead. I'm goin for compactness and a lethal round, preferably .45, or .357. Also price has to be decent. HK is a bit too expensive, but you get what you pay for...

Also, its harder for chicks to conceal guns. Alternatively, I thought of my purse, hehe

[CMEPTb]

South Western on Wilshire and Vermont...a lot of the Rampart sh*t went down one block over on Shatto Place.

[Praetorian 05]

You were dead on with the Warthog. I carry Para Ordnance, my opion is they're the best. My second choice is the Glock. I have a 23 and it's very sweet, but the P12 I carry is just a better setup.

[Geezah]

Nice post, I voted YES. Definitely..

I was thinkin of gettin a HK USP, ~Compact~ but some said it was too bulky for concealment. Anyways, I m i g h t try a SIG P229 instead. I'm goin for compactness and a lethal round, preferably .45, or .357. Also price has to be decent. HK is a bit too expensive, but you get what you pay for...

Also, its harder for chicks to conceal guns. Alternatively, I thought of my purse, hehe

Depending on your frame size and height, you might want to consider a P239, as the P229 is a step up above the P239 and a step below the P226 but is as wide as the 226. The 239 is available in 9mm, .40 S&W or .357 SIG, but at the end of the day the choice is yours. If you're able to you might want to seek out a range that has these on hand in the different calibers so you can see what feels best. My buddys wife limp wrists his H&K P2000 but was semi ok with my P239 in 9mm.

[Werewolf01]

My wife is 5'6" and less than 100 lbs. She has no problems concealing a full size M9 with a coat of some sort and that is a rather large frame auto. Look at it this way, it gives you a REALLY good excuse to go do some shopping.

[TacoDelRio]

The P239 is great for women. SIGARMS said that's who they made it for, but they're marketting assholes, as are we, so whatever.

Or check out the newer Subcompact Glocks (38? 39?) in .45 G.A.P., even though that round isn't super easy to find.

EGGROLL: The only Strider I've got is a fixed blade! I stick with one or more of my Spyderco's, the Harpy being my favorite for self defense, and VG10 steel takes a beating. Great little knife.

One spare mag. I'm thinking of the Blackhawk CQC stuff, with the carbon fiber colored stuff. SERPA and all that.

ANd now I'm thinking of the Springfield Armory XD40 5" Tactical, since we just got a buttload of them in. They're pretty nice, shoot real well. Just hate that damned grip safety.

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

Nice post, I voted YES. Definitely..

I was thinkin of gettin a HK USP, ~Compact~ but some said it was too bulky for concealment. Anyways, I m i g h t try a SIG P229 instead. I'm goin for compactness and a lethal round, preferably .45, or .357. Also price has to be decent. HK is a bit too expensive, but you get what you pay for...

Also, its harder for chicks to conceal guns. Alternatively, I thought of my purse, hehe

Depending on your frame size and height, you might want to consider a P239, as the P229 is a step up above the P239 and a step below the P226 but is as wide as the 226. The 239 is available in 9mm, .40 S&W or .357 SIG, but at the end of the day the choice is yours. If you're able to you might want to seek out a range that has these on hand in the different calibers so you can see what feels best. My buddys wife limp wrists his H&K P2000 but was semi ok with my P239 in 9mm.


Spanx for the recommendation. I did a li'l searching on the P239, it sounds and looks yummy, i'll definitely take it into consideration. How much do these usually go for? Here's a recent pic of my frame/bod, so ya can get an idea...

[Apogee]

I'm gonna get my concealed carry premit this summer while I'm home, since the court house is never open when I'm on pass.

Hot pic sinful.

[eggroll]

S,

Everyones got a preference - I still carry a delicaII when dress permits, and the tarani goes into the RR TakkiKhakis

I am in line to get a serpa soon, saw them demonstrated at the SHOT, did not get a chance for some range time. Still a bit leery of the button / trigger guard retention system. Time will tell.

as fara as round, I was a card carrying member of the church of the Thor's Hammer aka .45 and went to 9mm ... Glock 19 and Cz75BD... quite honestly I have not looked back. But then again, everyones got their preferences on what constitutes a "Lethal" round.

EGG

[One_A]

Spanx for the recommendation. I did a li'l searching on the P239, it sounds and looks yummy, i'll definitely take it into consideration. How much do these usually go for? Here's a recent pic of my frame/bod, so ya can get an idea...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/ChrissyAK107/chrissytease.jpg

You're going to need something smaller than a P229 there kiddo.

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

~lol~ really? What would be more fitting/appropriate? The P239 looks smaller

[Uncle Sam]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/ChrissyAK107/chrissytease.jpg
~lol~ really? What would be more fitting/appropriate?

Me !

:D



No, really!

-----------------------------

Try a Kahr Arms PM4044 (http://www.kahr.com/front.html).

Here (http://www.kahr.com/front.html) is a review of the 9mm, but you want the .40 (PM4044)

[wiking]

Nice post, I voted YES. Definitely..

I was thinkin of gettin a HK USP, ~Compact~ but some said it was too bulky for concealment. Anyways, I m i g h t try a SIG P229 instead. I'm goin for compactness and a lethal round, preferably .45, or .357. Also price has to be decent. HK is a bit too expensive, but you get what you pay for...

Also, its harder for chicks to conceal guns. Alternatively, I thought of my purse, hehe

Depending on your frame size and height, you might want to consider a P239, as the P229 is a step up above the P239 and a step below the P226 but is as wide as the 226. The 239 is available in 9mm, .40 S&W or .357 SIG, but at the end of the day the choice is yours. If you're able to you might want to seek out a range that has these on hand in the different calibers so you can see what feels best. My buddys wife limp wrists his H&K P2000 but was semi ok with my P239 in 9mm.


Spanx for the recommendation. I did a li'l searching on the P239, it sounds and looks yummy, i'll definitely take it into consideration. How much do these usually go for? Here's a recent pic of my frame/bod, so ya can get an idea...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/ChrissyAK107/chrissytease.jpg

[insert drooling smiley here] wow..................................... ;)

But if what you're wearing there is representative of your chloting style, you're going to have to re-think your wardrobe for Concealed Carry.

[Geezah]

Spanx for the recommendation. I did a li'l searching on the P239, it sounds and looks yummy, i'll definitely take it into consideration. How much do these usually go for? Here's a recent pic of my frame/bod, so ya can get an idea...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/ChrissyAK107/chrissytease.jpg

You're going to need something smaller than a P229 there kiddo.

As you wear very tight fitting clothes and are very fit p-) you may want to consider something other than the P239 as it will leave a bad imprint and give away the fact you are carrying.
You could always look at the
http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/p232-large.jpg
which take .380 ACP or maybe even a S&W LadySmith which is the Model 60LS in either .357 Magnum or 38S&W
http://www.firearms.smith-wesson.com/userimages/162414_large.jpg

But as Wiking said, if you are stuck on a SIG and looking at the P239 you will have to rethink your style of dress,or hit an indoor range that offers these different styles and see what you like the best.
Saying that you could always hit the CCW section on the SIGforum (http://sigforum.com/eve/ubb.x?a=frm&s=674608412&f=830601935). Ask theere what some of the Wives or guys girlfriends carry as I've seen some small friend ladies over that carry ;)

I think I paid around $400+ for my SIG, it's fully loaded though.

[Grozny]

Once again I find myself pushing the Makarov :D

Really reliable. Load it up with some Hornady JHP rounds and you are good to go.

[Werewolf01]

You look a lot like my wife. Carry anything comfortable and work on the concealmet issue. If you want a full size auto, just work with it.

[Laconian]

I am a strong supporter of the individual right to bear arms and carry concealed, but anyone thinking about carrying a gun needs to first reconcile themselves to the moral, ethical and legal constraints & responsibilities that carrying a firearm entails. Only you can answer the questions of "can I kill another human being" That's not an easy question to answer in a day & age when most people are afraid to look somebody in the eye, let alone lay hands on someone. Think of the emotional strains that will go along with a deadly force encounter. They are so strong that almost 80% of police officers involved in shootings are not in LE within 5 years of their shooting. That's just the strain on the indvidual, think of the impact on your family. I've seen marriages end over justified shootings because the family just couldn't deal with the strain...

If you shoot someone (in some cases if you draw your weapon) you will be criminally investigated and probably sued in civil court. If you have ever been a defendant in a civil trial it is not pretty (BTDT - it sucks). The courts will hold you, as an armed civilian to a higher standard, simply because you are carrying a gun. In any court proceding (and probably in the media) you will be painted as a weirdo vigilante who has read I, THE JURY too many times (kudos to James for reviving Mick Spillane). And that will be if you did everything CORRECTLY.

If you examine yourself & still wish to carry, please do so. An armed civilian, once help save my bacon when I was a road cop. Also, get training in situational awareness, weapon retention (what happens if you pull your piece and the bad guy goes for it? Can you shoot?) & unarmed defense as well, because chances are if something breaks bad and you have your weapon in deep concealment, access to it will not be fast and your going to have to do something to get time & distance to either make a draw or unass the AO. (For example, ankle rigs are great for concealment, but drawing from one ranges from difficult to impossible, especially with some mope pounding you in the head while you bend down to get it. The same is true for fanny packs and ladies purses).

I do not mean to offend anyone with these remarks, but carrying a firearm is serious business and these are things that need to be considered as much as gun, load and rig. The warrior mindset is more important then the warrior's tools.

[Geezah]

Great Post Laconian X10

[Uncle Sam]

Excellent post Laconian

[oscarsierra]

Well pointed and placed, Laconian.

PS: Would you happen to be running around Glynco? ;)

[Werewolf01]

Dead on Laconian. ;)

[Icarus]

Spanx for the recommendation. I did a li'l searching on the P239, it sounds and looks yummy, i'll definitely take it into consideration. How much do these usually go for? Here's a recent pic of my frame/bod, so ya can get an idea...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/ChrissyAK107/chrissytease.jpg

Oah Nice :-D

My wife have no problem hiding a gun on her "frame". A Desert eagle has no problem vanish between her ****s ;-)

[Laconian]

@mnbnm:
Yes, I am here at the Fantasy Law Enforcement Training Center

[TacoDelRio]

Laconian good stuff

We'll have a post about that issue (mental side to self-defense) in a bit, shall we?

Sinfulcurves, why are you in a military forum? Go to a modelling forum! You can be our Milphotos.net model then! :D

Damn

[wiking]

Laconian good stuff

We'll have a post about that issue (mental side to self-defense) in a bit, shall we?

Sinfulcurves, why are you in a military forum? Go to a modelling forum! You can be our Milphotos.net model then! :D

Damn


We all chip in and Sinfulcurves can model BDU's and just every military equipment we can get our hands on p-)

We all (the male majority of mp.net) have to agree that an M1 Abrams would look damn sweet with a bikini-wearing woman on top of the turret :D

I vote that Sinfulcurves receive the "mp.net OMFG111 BABE11111oneeleven" award.

[TacoDelRio]

I second that notion.

More pictures!! GO!

[James]

Is anyone else wondering why her pics are always slightly out of focus?

[Geezah]

Is anyone else wondering why her pics are always slightly out of focus?

Webcam?


I just thought it was my eyes p-)

[wiking]

Is anyone else wondering why her pics are always slightly out of focus?

Let us not complain about the quality, but let us insted request a head shot :D

[James]

Is anyone else wondering why her pics are always slightly out of focus?

Let us not complain about the quality, but let us insted request a head shot :D

She's done one in the past.

[Geezah]

As much as I would love that, I suggest we keep on topic? :P


P.S.Yes, I do like ladies p-)

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

Hehe, again, spanx for the recommendation/comments, much appreciated ;)

About the pics.. yah, sorry...not the best quality, all done through webcam, and was just a quick snapshot, anyway. I'm no model, lol. I had posted headshot in an old ~post a pic of yourself~ thread a few months back.

Anyways, Mmmmm, P232 does looks nice, too bad it's only 9mm/.380. I dunno much on .380, isn't it considered kinda weak-ish? I usually read up on .45ACP, .357SIG. Reading all those 9mm VS 357 VS blah blah articles really have an impact on me.

Yep, I know I gotta change my wardrobe for concealment, that's why I automatically thought of my purse instead, hehe

[Werewolf01]

Pick a sidearm and a caliber you find comfortable and controlable, learn to shoot it well, then carry it. Shot placement will make more of a difference than anything. 45 ACP doesn't do you much good if you don't put the round where it needs to be. Virtually all common handgun calibers have a good load for denfense, and most have many. I know men who have a difficlut time controlling 9mike and my wife (who again resembles your build very, very closely) can go to town on a B7 with a 1911 in 45 ACP. Try some different models and calibers before you make a decision that is going to be expensive even it it is the perfect one. :D

[nagant_m44]

Spanx for the recommendation. I did a li'l searching on the P239, it sounds and looks yummy, i'll definitely take it into consideration. How much do these usually go for? Here's a recent pic of my frame/bod, so ya can get an idea...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/ChrissyAK107/chrissytease.jpg[/quote]

I think you can use this:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1297213.stm.

:D

And I'm sure you get this alot, but you are a very beautiful woman...

[wiking]

Brilliant holster :lol:

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

hehe, that's nice. Just wonder what the material is like, I like lacey, satin type stuff. I'm into stuff like that.

[wiking]

hehe, that's nice. Just wonder what the material is like, I like lacey, satin type stuff. I'm into stuff like that.

woot woot :D :D :hug: :hug:

Do you know how many horny buggers just sat for 5 minutes just grinning like idiots after reading that? :lol:

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

Pick a sidearm and a caliber you find comfortable and controlable, learn to shoot it well, then carry it. Shot placement will make more of a difference than anything. 45 ACP doesn't do you much good if you don't put the round where it needs to be. Virtually all common handgun calibers have a good load for denfense, and most have many. I know men who have a difficlut time controlling 9mike and my wife (who again resembles your build very, very closely) can go to town on a B7 with a 1911 in 45 ACP. Try some different models and calibers before you make a decision that is going to be expensive even it it is the perfect one. :D

True, I really need to get a feel for different calibers. I might go with that smaller SIG P232. Some say a 9mm with +P+ ammo can be just as effective, or more lethal than a .45ACP.

ya familiar with Cor-bon ammo? I hear their really good.

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

hehe, that's nice. Just wonder what the material is like, I like lacey, satin type stuff. I'm into stuff like that.

woot woot :D :D :hug: :hug:

Do you know how many horny buggers just sat for 5 minutes just grinning like idiots after reading that? :lol:

Whoopsies, lol. Well, least (was) I didn't mention any thong-like style, or bootyshorts. ;)

pm me if you wanna hook up

[Werewolf01]

Pick a sidearm and a caliber you find comfortable and controlable, learn to shoot it well, then carry it. Shot placement will make more of a difference than anything. 45 ACP doesn't do you much good if you don't put the round where it needs to be. Virtually all common handgun calibers have a good load for denfense, and most have many. I know men who have a difficlut time controlling 9mike and my wife (who again resembles your build very, very closely) can go to town on a B7 with a 1911 in 45 ACP. Try some different models and calibers before you make a decision that is going to be expensive even it it is the perfect one. :D

True, I really need to get a feel for different calibers. I might go with that smaller SIG P232. Some say a 9mm with +P+ ammo can be just as effective, or more lethal than a .45ACP.

ya familiar with Cor-bon ammo? I hear their really good.


Corbon is good ammo. 9 mm +P+ is subgun ammo, I wouldn't put it through an handgun on a regular basis and you really don't need that much punch, and you proabaly don't want it in a 239. Try 124 Gr Hydra Shok (that's what is in my wife's M9). Good round, normal recoil, plenty of punch. Corbon is good, but I have always liked hydra shok in 9mm. I keep 185 gr Silvertips in my 1911.

[Geezah]

Pick a sidearm and a caliber you find comfortable and controlable, learn to shoot it well, then carry it. Shot placement will make more of a difference than anything. 45 ACP doesn't do you much good if you don't put the round where it needs to be. Virtually all common handgun calibers have a good load for denfense, and most have many. I know men who have a difficlut time controlling 9mike and my wife (who again resembles your build very, very closely) can go to town on a B7 with a 1911 in 45 ACP. Try some different models and calibers before you make a decision that is going to be expensive even it it is the perfect one. :D

True, I really need to get a feel for different calibers. I might go with that smaller SIG P232. Some say a 9mm with +P+ ammo can be just as effective, or more lethal than a .45ACP.

ya familiar with Cor-bon ammo? I hear their really good.

My FFL gave me a blister pack of 8rnds of CorBon Bee Safe, and it's pretty pricey about $18 a pack, but as I've never shot any of it I'm abit nervous about using it as my home defence ammo. So I use Federal Expanding Full Metal Jacket 124grn +P which I know goes bang everytime I pull the trigger ;)
The EFMJ is consistant in the way it expands because of the silicon plug under the jacket. But again this will be a personal choice.

On the +P+ with SIGs, SIG do not recommened constant use with the +P+(+P is ok though).

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

Hydra Shok is new for me, I'll definitely look into it

So +P+ ammo is too strong for SIG's, huh? A friend always recommended goin with +P or +P+ ammo in a 9mm since i'm a bit hesitant about the round in general and prefer 45, 357, etc.

On a diff. subject, any of ya'll ever fired 10mm? It sounds like a really devastating round, too bad it isn't as widespread. I think only one company manufactured, Delta Elite

[Geezah]

So +P+ ammo is too strong for SIG's, huh? A friend always recommended goin with +P or +P+ ammo in a 9mm since i'm a bit hesitant about the round in general and prefer 45, 357, etc.


I think if you change out the recoil spring, the +P+ is ok but I'm not 100% on that, I think I remember a few guys over on SIG Forum saying they use +P+ all the time, but I'm going off what SIG cs told me. Plus I think +P would do the job it needs to.



On a diff. subject, any of ya'll ever fired 10mm? It sounds like a really devastating round, too bad it isn't as widespread. I think only one company manufactured, Delta Elite

No experience here.

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

okie, so basically stronger ammo chambered wears the gun out more, or almost can jam at a certain moment?

[Geezah]

okie, so basically stronger ammo chambered wears the gun out more, or almost can jam at a certain moment?

Found the following over at SIG Forum,


As I recall, Sigs are officially ok for +P (which actually IS standardized by SAAMI in some calibers), but not +P+ which are beyond SAAMI +P. At least in the 9mm variants designed for NATO loads which are +P by SAAMI standards.

But it seems that allot of people run +P+ through their SIGs and yes there is more wear due to the higher/greater pressure.

Here's SAAMI (http://www.saami.org/)s website.

[Jack Mehoff]

Nice post, I voted YES. Definitely..

I was thinkin of gettin a HK USP, ~Compact~ but some said it was too bulky for concealment. Anyways, I m i g h t try a SIG P229 instead. I'm goin for compactness and a lethal round, preferably .45, or .357. Also price has to be decent. HK is a bit too expensive, but you get what you pay for...

Also, its harder for chicks to conceal guns. Alternatively, I thought of my purse, hehe

Depending on your frame size and height, you might want to consider a P239, as the P229 is a step up above the P239 and a step below the P226 but is as wide as the 226. The 239 is available in 9mm, .40 S&W or .357 SIG, but at the end of the day the choice is yours. If you're able to you might want to seek out a range that has these on hand in the different calibers so you can see what feels best. My buddys wife limp wrists his H&K P2000 but was semi ok with my P239 in 9mm.


Spanx for the recommendation. I did a li'l searching on the P239, it sounds and looks yummy, i'll definitely take it into consideration. How much do these usually go for? Here's a recent pic of my frame/bod, so ya can get an idea...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/ChrissyAK107/chrissytease.jpg

You ruined my keyboard!!!!!!!!!

[TacoDelRio]

**** I'm trying to remember what company made this one holster you could use with certain handguns.

Oh yeah, ever think of the Glock 36? It's the "Slimline" .45 ACP, 6+1 capacity, only about 1.04 inches thick.

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

**** I'm trying to remember what company made this one holster you could use with certain handguns.

Oh yeah, ever think of the Glock 36? It's the "Slimline" .45 ACP, 6+1 capacity, only about 1.04 inches thick.

Yep, a few have recommended Glock, but it's not somethin' i'm really into, I guess i'm picky when it comes to name brands, hehe.

[Uncle Sam]

Sinfulcurves_AK107: Kahr Arms PM4044...Check it out

[Initiative]

**** I'm trying to remember what company made this one holster you could use with certain handguns.

Oh yeah, ever think of the Glock 36? It's the "Slimline" .45 ACP, 6+1 capacity, only about 1.04 inches thick.

Yep, a few have recommended Glock, but it's not somethin' i'm really into, I guess i'm picky when it comes to name brands, hehe.

A Carl Gustaf is nice but a bit on the big side. (Some restrictions may apply.) Either way you'd look awesome with one.

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

Sinfulcurves_AK107: Kahr Arms PM4044...Check it out

http://www.kahr.com/images/SS_PM4044.PDF

Spanx, I found this The size looks pretty good, good round, too. Price is kinds pricey, though?

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

Carl Gustaf: AKA ~M3 MAAWS~? Hehe, we were talklin about that in another thread. I didn't know CG did pistols, too..

[Germaine]

Just wondering if u want a pistol (u only want for self defense or something to have fun with too?) to conceal a .22 will work for close range and u can get them small....

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

Just wondering if u want a pistol (u only want for self defense or something to have fun with too?) to conceal a .22 will work for close range and u can get them small....

Yep,a bit of both: Persoanl defense weapon and for fun, practice shooting.

[Germaine]

Just wondering if u want a pistol (u only want for self defense or something to have fun with too?) to conceal a .22 will work for close range and u can get them small....

Yep,a bit of both: Persoanl defense weapon and for fun, practice shooting.
u can get good walters and lugers cheap (and ammos cheap) but, a .38 isnt to bad. Personaly i like 9mm (for cost of pistol and ammo) Sigs and Brownings

[Initiative]

Carl Gustaf: AKA ~M3 MAAWS~? Hehe, we were talklin about that in another thread. I didn't know CG did pistols, too..

Yes, the M3 MAAWS. Just make sure you are at a comfortable distance.

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

Hehe, if it were possible, I would love to possess an M3! There's so many rounds to play around with.

[jasonglh]

I wont even vacation anywhere that wont reciprocate my CDWL.

Luckily everywhere I would want to go is my southern neighbors so its not a problem.

HK compact 40 or S&W 5906 9mm with hydrashocks.

No lanyard.

On vacation I wear a fanny pack or a camera case on my belt. Most of the time I wear Docker type shorts and a untucked loose button up shirt so it conceals well even with my IWB holster.

I have carried since KY passed its CDWL and carry most places.

[percell_086]

I walked around wearing a Browning Hi-power 9mm in an in-the-pants-holster with a zip-up hoodie over it, you couldn't notice I was carrying a gun.

But, you wear very close fitting clothes, so that would be a problem :D
Ever think of a P99? My bro was looking into that one for concealed carry. The price was OK here.

Percell


Ps; how old are you? Just out of intrest.

[wiking]

Yesterday my dad gave me his old Leatherman Multitool. I carried it around for a while on my belt, and that alone was a very noticable weight on my side. Carrying a gun must be a hell of a lot worse.
Now i really understandd that a proper belt and holster is needed for comfortable carry.

[percell_086]

I always (ALWAYS) carry my Leatherman pst1 on my belt, it becomes a habit, but when I wear a gun, I wear my CQB emergency rappel belt from Blackhawk. It works great.

Percell

[wiking]

I always (ALWAYS) carry my Leatherman pst1 on my belt, it becomes a habit, but when I wear a gun, I wear my CQB emergency rappel belt from Blackhawk. It works great.

Percell

Only one thing i think bad of the leatherman is that it's all metal and not isolated\insolated (what's the right one here) so you can't really use it on anything electrical.

[yiorgo]

Sinful Kahr is coming out with there first .45 caliber this spring....weight 17oz..overall length 6.3in...width 1.00 in.....height 4.8in.....will be smaller than the G36 and weights much less......also think about the S&W 340PD scandium 38special/357 weights 12oz and you can shoot some really potent stuff....the 357 out of it makes this little gun a hand cannon and isnt fun to shoot at all....but packed with the New speer dot 38+P ammo.....it rocks

[percell_086]

About the leatherman, I use it to fight too:D IMHO gives a harder punch. but you're right, not so good for electrical use i think.
Sorry for going off-topic.

Percell

[uglybaby]

I carry a Sig Arms 239 in .40 with Federal Hydrashoks. I generally carry in the warmer months(no jackets) a Desantis gunhide inside the pants. I carry a spare mag in a carrier on my belt. I dont have a lanyard or retention device. This would not be practical for CCW, too many things to get hung up on..zippers buckles and such. Have you experimented with any of the Sig Arms line? They do have a 1911 style pistol in their line now although I cant comment on it personally. I have found the Sigs for me personally to be the best choice in funtion and fit. You might want to consider a P220. 45 auto s/a and d/a. Overall its going to come down to what feels good to you. I dont know if you have the oppurtunity but try and get to shoot as many of the firearms you are considering before buying. Oh and customer service with Sig Arms is a like a dream in the unlikely event you should require their help. Here is a link you might find helpful http://sigforum.com/eve/ubb.x?a=cfrm&s=674608412
Keep us posted. :D

[TacoDelRio]

Uglybaby,

I have experimented with almost every single pistol that is legal for sale in the wonderful state of California. (I work at a gun store)

I'm still leaning towards the Para-Ordnance CCO, 6+1 .45ACP small and all that. Either that, or maybe a Springfield Armory XD40, standard length. I think instead of buying a dedicated CCW gun, may as well spread out my meager wages as much as possible, and get one gun that may be useful in several roles. Tiny .45 single actions aren't super fun for shooting, usually.

Or I'll wait till we can get the Para Warthog. Probably a bit wide with 10+1 capacity in a handgun the size of a fetus, but we'll see. Stupid laws.

I have tried the SIGARMS 1911GSR. They have had some problems, as are to be expected with any really new gun. Their hammers actually strike the frame on their right, causing some minor problems. That, and their firing pin plunger retaining pins like to go "SPROING!" and hide under rocks and other objects when you shoot. I'm not a fan of non-American 1911's anyway, just because I'm a stubborn American.

Thank you sir.

[broncobob1]

Kimber Pro Elite .45ACP

Milt Sparks Summer Special IWB

230gr Match Hardball

Extra magazine, left side back pocket.

I live in a hot climate(South Texas) which makes carrying a concealed weapon a challenge in the summer. I will, "dress down" to conceal the gun, ie. shirtail out, loose fitting, baggy shirts etc. Fanny packs stand out down here, when I see one on a man, 9 times out of 10, hes packin.

After 160 hrs of pistol training at Thunder Ranch, the best advice I can give is, buy the best pistol you can afford, carried in the best holster made, mated to a proper belt, backed up by a extra magazine.

Then after you have acquired the proper equipment, attend one of the shooting schools that teach you the skills you will need to use all of that gear. Thunder Ranch in Oregon or Gunsite in Arizona are probably the two premier teaching school in the country and both are close to California.

Expensive? you betcha, but worth every penny if you ever have to use that gun.

Good luck,

BB

[TacoDelRio]

We've got the Kimber Pro CDP II's. Similar?

We also have our own training group around here. FTA, Firearms Training Associates. That's who we train through as far as anything that gives you papers.

[uglybaby]

Have you checked out any of the Springfield Armory line? Oh I guess you have. The Operator and Professional models are really nice out of the box shooters. This would be your first handgun though yes? I would be wary of recommending a 1911 style pistol for your first handgun. How about a CZ 75. They are a great weapon, reliable and can be found relatively inexpensively. 9mm is cheap as heck to shoot for targets and given the proper round and trainng just as lethal as 230gr .45. Have you considered any wheelguns?

[TacoDelRio]

I have considered wheelguns. I hate Smith and Wesson though, and I know alot of you will disagree, but it's my opinion. That leaves few Kommiefornia-approved models. I ain't touchin' Taurus....

CZ75... most popular police pistol in the world.... maybe the P-01 if they made em' in .40. I won't buy a 9x19mm. Simply won't until I've got a defensive pistol. 9mm is useless in my opinion (once again, opinion).

Problem I have with CZ's is I can't handle them for ****. Why? I've got big gorrilla hands, and they've got an enclosed slide. I cannot manipulate it, and it gets worse with sweat or oil. I'm hoping I cna try a CZ-100, but I don't think they're Kommie-legal. Damned SB15.

The SA Operators are f*cking nice. First time I shot one against some clay pigeons strung up 25m away, Jesus. Center punch them all. NICE SMOOTH GUN. Much much much more of a competition piece than a combat pistol. Then again, the name OPERATOR does imply that a woman who controls phone lines will use it! woot

We just got their "USMC MEU/SOC" pistol:
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/a1/PX9105ML.jpg
A less-fancy OPERATOR, no bull barrel, and not a full length rail. I like the rail because I live in the city, and in a house (get that, hmmm.) If I'm walking down my stairs, I might have one hand on the stairs. Got my Surefire X200 on. It's convenient, and alot of people don't want to admit that rails are useful. And guess what else is amazing too? For CCW, you can just REMOVE the light from the pistol! Get that! :D (I know someone's gonna say I'm dumb, so I'll shoot them down first!)

And on a customized side-note, we've got lots and lots of rattlesnakes in our hills, so I may make some grips next time I cook one up fer lunchies! :-*$

I like the TRP (Tactical Response Pistol) alot too.

[uglybaby]

Okay so I get that your lusting after a 1911. I wont have the 9mm arguement with you, although I hope you realize what matters is proper shot placement and carrying a weapon with which you have trained on..alot. I still don't know if this is your first handgun. The 1911 is probably the finest combat handgun there is, but I think trainging until it is all muscle memory is key. I mean thousands and thousands of rounds. Some may disagree. For me a defense handgun is one I can draw and fire without thinking about controls, external safeties or if the hammer is cocked. How about a .22 as your first gun to learn technique and practice. There are companies that sell kits to convert full size weapons to fire .22 allowing you to learn proper handling without breaking the bank. I believe there are models like this for Kimber...the rest I dont know. You probably know better than I working at a gun shop. For me personally I would love to get my hands on a HK P7-M8. Just not in my price range. Let me know if you have some at your shop and wanna cut me a deal... :lol:

[TacoDelRio]

Don't worry. I completely agree with you. I just hate 9mm as anything but a fun round to shoot binary targets with, or compete with. When I do shoot, I unload tons of ammo, and muscle memory gets real good even when you don't shoot by simply practicing drawing and aiming in the house. Taking off the safety, etc. Shouldn't need to think about it, it just happens. Target is on the ground incapacitated before you realise what you've just done! :P

I've got too much .22lr ammo lying around to practice anymore! We do have the Kimber .22 barrel/slide units though.

We actually dio have HK P7-M8's at our shop. DUDE, NOOO $1,400? HELL NO. Why do you want one of them squeeze cockers so bad?

[CMEPTb]

you guys do out of state transfers where you work? how much?

[TacoDelRio]

We do not do FFL transfers, dunno why. Kinda glad though, as PPT's are enough paperwork that I'm not getting paid for as it is.

Normally, FFL transfers depend on shipping costs, and I think they're $35 if government paperwork (like a 4473) is involved.

However, we don't do them.

[Durandal]

What do you personally carry? Beretta 92

Do you use a retention device, such as a lanyard? No

What type of clothing do you personally wear to conceal it, yet remain casual? [P]Wool P-Coat or Wind Breaker with a shoulder rig[/b]

What do you think are some of the characteristics of a "perfect" CCW gun? Its a personal thing. Some folks prefer revolvers or DA only autos. I personally, do not mind the larger frame gun, but it limits where I can carry it. I will be, in the future going to a smaller frame pistol, probably a USP Compact or if Geezah talks me into it a SiG. I prefer having a manufactured decocker and a safety, so Glocks are out.

Well, I'm just curious how you guys do it. Lemme know what's up in your state. Kentucky is a "will" issue State and has reciprocity in many States. I can travel the length of I-75 from Michigan to Florida and be legal. Which is nice.

[Durandal]

So do you all feel a need to carry firearms with you whenever you go out?

Not safer, just prepared.

It is not about safety, especially for me. I am a large frame, slightly over weight big boned MF'er. People do not screw with me.

But I can carry and do. I may NEVER need it....EVER.

If I do though, its there.

I also have a breakdown kit survival pack in my car and fresh water and various supplies in my house.

Having lived through a Category II Hurricane while on vacation and not having the right supplies to manage a relatively normal life for three days I now take all sorts of steps to be ready for a host of issues.

Most people should do that. Its common sense. Modern technologies in this world are not infallible. A simple snow storm or thunder storm can wreck a community for several days. If you do not have power, light, or heat, what do you do?

The gun is simply a part of that preparation.

[uglybaby]

As far as the carrying all the time, I do. Except at work (University and can't). My wife used to ask me why I need to carry to go the movies at the mall. After the whacko shooting people at the local mall in Kingston (this made the national news), we don't have that arguement anymore.

[Geezah]

As far as the carrying all the time, I do. Except at work (University and can't). My wife used to ask me why I need to carry to go the movies at the mall. After the whacko shooting people at the local mall in Kingston (this made the national news), we don't have that arguement anymore.

So far since getting my license I've only carried two weekends in a IWB holster, it's somewhat bizarre to get used to but this weekedn just gone my Wife didn't say a thing about it, and that was after I asked her if she minded before we went out :cantbeli:

[Geezah]

I will be, in the future going to a smaller frame pistol, probably a USP Compact or if Geezah talks me into it a SiG.

When we next hook up I'll let you shoot my SIG, only thing is it doesn't have a manually safety but 4 internal safeties.
I don;t feel worried by that though,I've carried with one in the chamber and 8 in the mag, no problem.

[uglybaby]

The carrying "feeling" is one thats hard to describe when new to the game. The anxiety of some freak accident causing it to drop out of it holster when using the mens room for the first time is a a fun one...Now though I have to remind myself that I have it on me. As for carrying one in the chamber I thinks its the only way to go. Isreali style is just asking for trouble in my book. Geezah you have what a p220?

[Geezah]

The carrying "feeling" is one thats hard to describe when new to the game. The anxiety of some freak accident causing it to drop out of it holster when using the mens room for the first time is a a fun one...Now though I have to remind myself that I have it on me. As for carrying one in the chamber I thinks its the only way to go. Isreali style is just asking for trouble in my book. Geezah you have what a p220?

Agreed, I thought if I'm going to carry I need to do it right and get used to it.

I have a P226 and my carry piece is the P239, both are 9mm.

[uglybaby]

How do you like your 239 Geezah? Did you experience any of the "loose slide syndrome"? Mine did initially, nothing a few coats of teflon sprayed on didn't take care of. I've been itching to get a 226 Navy...not that I plan to immerse it in seawater or anything. Do you hang around the Sig Forum? Cheers.

[Geezah]

How do you like your 239 Geezah? Did you experience any of the "loose slide syndrome"? Mine did initially, nothing a few coats of teflon sprayed on didn't take care of. I've been itching to get a 226 Navy...not that I plan to immerse it in seawater or anything. Do you hang around the Sig Forum? Cheers.

I love it, I purchased my P226 first then the P239, I have slight slide rattle(as I would imagine most semi-autos do) but nothing to write home about, from what I understand it's expected but doesn't affect accuracy.
I post over on the SIG Forum but nowhere near as much as here, my user name over there is Geezer, I also post every now again on AR15.com(Geezah) but again not that much, I use them more as great sources of information.