Secret Bush tapes reveal apparent drug use

[J-10]

Secretly taped phone calls to Bush appear to reveal drug use
Feb. 19, 2005, 10:42PM
Associated Press

NEW YORK -- Private conversations with George Bush secretly taped by an old friend before he was elected president foreshadow some of his political strategies and appear to reveal that he acknowledged using marijuana, The New York Times reported Saturday.

The conversations were recorded by Doug Wead, a former aide to George W. Bush's father, beginning in 1998, when Bush was weighing a presidential bid, until just before the Republican National Convention in 2000, the Times said in a story posted on its Web site.

The tapes show Bush crafting a strategy for navigating the tricky political waters between Christian conservative and secular voters, repeatedly worrying that evangelicals would be angered by a refusal to bash gays and that secular Americans would be turned off by meetings with evangelical leaders.

On one tape, Bush explains that he told one prominent evangelical that he would not "kick gays, because I'm a sinner. How can I differentiate sin?"

In early tapes, Bush dismisses the strength of John McCain for the nomination and expresses concern about rival Steve Forbes. He also praises John Ashcroft as a promising candidate for Supreme Court justice, attorney general or vice president.

Bush also criticizes then-Vice President Al Gore for admitting marijuana use and explains why he would not do the same.

"I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions," he said, according to the Times. "You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried."

According to the article, Wead played 12 of the tapes to a Times reporter. He said he recorded them because he viewed Bush as a historic figure. He is the author of a new book on presidential childhoods.

The White House did not deny the authenticity of the tapes.

"The governor was having casual conversations with someone he believed was his friend," White House spokesman Trent Duffy said, referring to Bush.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3048068

[username]

ooooooooo

[Weasel]

Michael Moore was right? No, that´s not possible. Never. NEVER!!!!!!!!!

rofl

[Herrmannek]

point is that he said in totaly private talk with man hi trusted "i don't want children to hear what I did because that could apeal them" not "hell if I'll tell about my Marry experiences they will not reelect me" ... Bush had problems with himself at some point on his life, and AFAIK it wasn't mistery for anyone...

[budanski]

The conversations were recorded by Doug Weed, a former aide to George W. Bush's father, beginning in 1998, when Bush was weighing a presidential bud, until just before the Republican National Convention in 2000, the Times said in a story posted on its Web site.

Yup, thats evidence to me...

[Freibier]

So Dubya did drugs?
He just gained a few points on my sympathometer :P

[Weasel]

So Dubya did drugs?
He just gained a few points on my sympathometer :P

So he raised from one to two points (out of hundreds) on the Bushometer?

[Freibier]

So Dubya did drugs?
He just gained a few points on my sympathometer :P

So he raised from one to two points (out of hundreds) on the Bushometer?
yep :P

[ElHombre]

i wonder if he ever experiences pangs of guilt whenever he supports mandatory sentences for drug users.

'that could have been me.'

[Federalist]

Um, ok. Big deal. The point is in a conversation he didn't know was being taped he said he wouldn't answer "those questions." Why? Because it might cost him the election? No! So little kids wouldn't do the same thing! That just earned him some points with me and probably a lot of other people too.

[Aerosoul]

I already had heard he did cocaine...

[Weasel]

Marijuana, cocaine, alcohol en masse. What else?

[BarkingSquirrel]

Yeah, we're missing something, proof.

[Pook2]

Everyone Makes mistakes, as long as you learn.

IMO I dont think it makes any worse of a man. As long as he learned it wasnt the best thing for him to do.

[Avary]

So, when it's Bill Clinton smoking pot is just cute but from George Bush it's eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil? :roll:

[pistol]

Um, ok. Big deal. The point is in a conversation he didn't know was being taped he said he wouldn't answer "those questions." Why? Because it might cost him the election? No! So little kids wouldn't do the same thing! That just earned him some points with me and probably a lot of other people too.

I'm glad that conservatives such as yourself have such high moral values. George Bush's "do as I say, not as I do" style of leadership has clearly been a success. Points my ass... :bash:

[Kilgor]

Um, ok. Big deal. The point is in a conversation he didn't know was being taped he said he wouldn't answer "those questions." Why? Because it might cost him the election? No! So little kids wouldn't do the same thing! That just earned him some points with me and probably a lot of other people too.

I'm glad that conservatives such as yourself have such high moral values. George Bush's "do as I say, not as I do" style of leadership has clearly been a success. Points my ass... :bash:

I guess if your a democrat you can screw interns and then lie about it directly to the american people because you never had "high moral values" to begin with ?


"thats ok Ted, its fine that you got drunk and killed a lady in your car ... your a democrat, you never had high moral values !"

rofl

[BarkingSquirrel]

Don't forget Gore who admitted to smoking pot, and I'm willing to bet my house Kerry's done drugs too. Only reason it's news worthy is because it's Bush.

[Kilgor]

Don't forget Gore who admitted to smoking pot, and I'm willing to bet my house Kerry's done drugs too. Only reason it's news worthy is because it's Bush.

You'd have to be on drugs to wannta stick it in that wife of his.

[Seiyuuki]

Saying "I invented the internet" on national television is a whole lot worse. rofl

[HooyahCQB]

That's not the full story:


February 20, 2005
In Secretly Taped Conversations, Glimpses of the Future President
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

WASHINGTON, Feb. 19 - As George W. Bush was first moving onto the national political stage, he often turned for advice to an old friend who secretly taped some of their private conversations, creating a rare record of the future president as a politician and a personality.

In the last several weeks, that friend, Doug Wead, an author and former aide to Mr. Bush's father, disclosed the tapes' existence to a reporter and played about a dozen of them.

Variously earnest, confident or prickly in those conversations, Mr. Bush weighs the political risks and benefits of his religious faith, discusses campaign strategy and comments on rivals. John McCain "will wear thin," he predicted. John Ashcroft, he confided, would be a "very good Supreme Court pick" or a "fabulous" vice president. And in exchanges about his handling of questions from the news media about his past, Mr. Bush appears to have acknowledged trying marijuana.

Mr. Wead said he recorded the conversations because he viewed Mr. Bush as a historic figure, but he said he knew that the president might regard his actions as a betrayal. As the author of a new book about presidential childhoods, Mr. Wead could benefit from any publicity, but he said that was not a motive in disclosing the tapes.

The White House did not dispute the authenticity of the tapes or respond to their contents. Trent Duffy, a White House spokesman, said, "The governor was having casual conversations with someone he believed was his friend." Asked about drug use, Mr. Duffy said, "That has been asked and answered so many times there is nothing more to add."

The conversations Mr. Wead played offer insights into Mr. Bush's thinking from the time he was weighing a run for president in 1998 to shortly before he accepted the Republican nomination in 2000. Mr. Wead had been a liaison to evangelical Protestants for the president's father, and the intersection of religion and politics is a recurring theme in the talks.

Preparing to meet Christian leaders in September 1998, Mr. Bush told Mr. Wead, "As you said, there are some code words. There are some proper ways to say things, and some improper ways." He added, "I am going to say that I've accepted Christ into my life. And that's a true statement."

But Mr. Bush also repeatedly worried that prominent evangelical Christians would not like his refusal "to kick gays." At the same time, he was wary of unnerving secular voters by meeting publicly with evangelical leaders. When he thought his aides had agreed to such a meeting, Mr. Bush complained to Karl Rove, his political strategist, "What the hell is this about?"

Mr. Bush, who has acknowledged a drinking problem years ago, told Mr. Wead on the tapes that he could withstand scrutiny of his past. He said it involved nothing more than "just, you know, wild behavior." He worried, though, that allegations of cocaine use would surface in the campaign, and he blamed his opponents for stirring rumors. "If nobody shows up, there's no story," he told Mr. Wead, "and if somebody shows up, it is going to be made up." But when Mr. Wead said that Mr. Bush had in the past publicly denied using cocaine, Mr. Bush replied, "I haven't denied anything."

He refused to answer reporters' questions about his past behavior, he said, even though it might cost him the election. Defending his approach, Mr. Bush said: "I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions. You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried."

He mocked Vice President Al Gore for acknowledging marijuana use. "Baby boomers have got to grow up and say, yeah, I may have done drugs, but instead of admitting it, say to kids, don't do them," he said.

Mr. Bush threatened that if his rival Steve Forbes attacked him too hard during the campaign and won, both Mr. Bush, then the Texas governor, and his brother, Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, would withhold their support. "He can forget Texas. And he can forget Florida. And I will sit on my hands," Mr. Bush said.

The private Mr. Bush sounds remarkably similar in many ways to the public President Bush. Many of the taped comments foreshadow aspects of his presidency, including his opposition to both anti-gay language and recognizing same-*** marriage, his skepticism about the United Nations, his sense of moral purpose and his focus on cultivating conservative Christian voters.

Mr. Wead said he withheld many tapes of conversations that were repetitive or of a purely personal nature. The dozen conversations he agreed to play ranged in length from five minutes to nearly half an hour. In them, the future president affectionately addresses Mr. Wead as "Weadie" or "Weadnik," asks if his children still believe in Santa Claus, and chides him for skipping a doctor's appointment. Mr. Bush also regularly gripes about the barbs of the press and his rivals. And he is cocky at times. "It's me versus the world," he told Mr. Wead. "The good news is, the world is on my side. Or more than half of it."

Other presidents, such as Richard M. Nixon and Lyndon B. Johnson, secretly recorded conversations from the White House. Some former associates of President Bill Clinton taped personal conversations in apparent efforts to embarrass or entrap him. But Mr. Wead's recordings are a rare example of a future president taped at length without his knowledge talking about matters of public interest like his political strategy and priorities.

Mr. Wead first acknowledged the tapes to a reporter in December to defend the accuracy of a passage about Mr. Bush in his new book, "The Raising of a President." He did not mention the tapes in the book or footnotes, saying he drew on them for only one page of the book. He said he never sought to sell or profit from them. He said he made the tapes in states where it was legal to do so with only one party's knowledge.

Mr. Wead eventually agreed to play a dozen tapes on the condition that the names of any private citizens be withheld. The New York Times hired Tom Owen, an expert on audio authentication, to examine samples from the tapes. He concluded the voice was that of the president.

A White House adviser to the first President Bush, Mr. Wead said in an interview in The Washington Post in 1990 that Andrew H. Card Jr., then deputy chief of staff, told him to leave the administration "sooner rather than later" after he sent conservatives a letter faulting the White House for inviting gay activists to an event. But Mr. Wead said he left on good terms. He never had a formal role in the current president's campaign, though the tapes suggest he had angled for one.

Mr. Wead said he admired George W. Bush and stayed in touch with some members of his family. While he said he has not communicated with the president since early in his first term, he attributed that to Mr. Bush's busy schedule.

Mr. Wead said he recorded his conversations with the president in part because he thought he might be asked to write a book for the campaign. He also wanted a clear account of any requests Mr. Bush made of him. But he said his main motivation in making the tapes, which he originally intended to be released only after his own death, was to leave the nation a unique record of Mr. Bush.

"I believe that, like him or not, he is going to be a huge historical figure," Mr. Wead said. "If I was on the telephone with Churchill or Gandhi, I would tape record them too."

Summer of 1998

The first of the taped conversations Mr. Wead disclosed took place in the summer of 1998, when Mr. Bush was running for his second term as Texas governor. At the time, Mr. Bush was considered a political moderate who worked well with Democrats and was widely admired by Texans of both parties. His family name made him a strong presidential contender, but he had not yet committed to run.

Still, in a conversation that November on the eve of Mr. Bush's re-election, his confidence was soaring. "I believe tomorrow is going to change Texas politics forever," he told Mr. Wead. "The top three offices right below me will be the first time there has been a Republican in that slot since the Civil War. Isn't that amazing? And I hate to be a braggart, but they are going to win for one reason: me."

Talking to Mr. Wead, a former Assemblies of God minister who was well connected in conservative evangelical circles, Mr. Bush's biggest concern about the Republican presidential primary was shoring up his right flank. Mr. Forbes was working hard to win the support of conservative Christians by emphasizing his opposition to abortion. "I view him as a problem, don't you?" Mr. Bush asked.

Mr. Bush knew that his own religious faith could be an asset with conservative Christian voters, and his personal devotion was often evident in the taped conversations. When Mr. Wead warned him that "power corrupts," for example, Mr. Bush told him not to worry: "I have got a great wife. And I read the Bible daily. The Bible is pretty good about keeping your ego in check."

In November 1999, he told his friend that he had been deeply moved by a memorial service for students who died in an accident when constructing a Thanksgiving weekend bonfire at Texas A & M University, especially by the prayers by friends of the students.

In another conversation, he described a "powerful moment" visiting the site of the Sermon on the Mount in Israel with a group of state governors, where he read "Amazing Grace" aloud. "I look forward to sharing this at some point in time," he told Mr. Wead about the event.

Preparing to meet with influential Christian conservatives, Mr. Bush tested his lines with Mr. Wead. "I'm going to tell them the five turning points in my life," he said. "Accepting Christ. Marrying my wife. Having children. Running for governor. And listening to my mother."

In September 1998, Mr. Bush told Mr. Wead that he was getting ready for his first meeting with James C. Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, an evangelical self-help group. Dr. Dobson, probably the most influential evangelical conservative, wanted to examine the candidate's Christian credentials.

"He said he would like to meet me, you know, he had heard some nice things, you know, well, 'I don't know if he is a true believer' kind of attitude," Mr. Bush said.

Mr. Bush said he intended to reassure Dr. Dobson of his opposition to abortion. Mr. Bush said he was concerned about rumors that Dr. Dobson had been telling others that the "Bushes weren't going to be involved in abortion," meaning that the Bush family preferred to avoid the issue rather than fight over it.

"I just don't believe I said that. Why would I have said that?" Mr. Bush told Mr. Wead with annoyance.

By the end of the primary, Mr. Bush alluded to Dr. Dobson's strong views on abortion again, apparently ruling out potential vice presidents including Gov. Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania and Gen. Colin L. Powell, who favored abortion rights. Picking any of them could turn conservative Christians away from the ticket, Mr. Bush said.

"They are not going to like it anyway, boy," Mr. Bush said. "Dobson made it clear."

Signs of Concern

Early on, though, Mr. Bush appeared most worried that Christian conservatives would object to his determination not to criticize gay people. "I think he wants me to attack homo******s," Mr. Bush said after meeting James Robison, a prominent evangelical minister in Texas.

But Mr. Bush said he did not intend to change his position. He said he told Mr. Robison: "Look, James, I got to tell you two things right off the bat. One, I'm not going to kick gays, because I'm a sinner. How can I differentiate sin?"

Later, he read aloud an aide's report from a convention of the Christian Coalition, a conservative political group: "This crowd uses gays as the enemy. It's hard to distinguish between fear of the homo****** political agenda and fear of homo******ity, however."

"This is an issue I have been trying to downplay," Mr. Bush said. "I think it is bad for Republicans to be kicking gays."

Told that one conservative supporter was saying Mr. Bush had pledged not to hire gay people, Mr. Bush said sharply: "No, what I said was, I wouldn't fire gays."

As early as 1998, however, Mr. Bush had already identified one gay-rights issue where he found common ground with conservative Christians: same-*** marriage. "Gay marriage, I am against that. Special rights, I am against that," Mr. Bush told Mr. Wead, five years before a Massachusetts court brought the issue to national attention.

Mr. Bush took stock of conservative Christian views of foreign policy as well. Reading more of the report from the Christian Coalition meeting, Mr. Bush said to Mr. Wead: "Sovereignty. The issue is huge. The mere mention of Kofi Annan in the U.N. caused the crowd to go into a veritable fit. The coalition wants America strong and wants the American flag flying overseas, not the pale blue of the U.N."

As eager as Mr. Bush was to cultivate the support of Christian conservatives, he did not want to do it too publicly for fear of driving away more secular voters. When Mr. Wead warned Mr. Bush to avoid big meetings with evangelical leaders, Mr. Bush said, "I'm just going to have one," and, "This is not meant to be public."

Past Behavior

Many of the taped conversations revolve around Mr. Bush's handling of questions about his past behavior. In August 1998, he worried that the scandals of the Clinton administration had sharpened journalists' determination to investigate the private lives of candidates. He even expressed a hint of sympathy for his Democratic predecessor.

"I don't like it either," Mr. Bush said of the Clinton investigations. "But on the other hand, I think he has disgraced the nation."

When Mr. Wead warned that he had heard reporters talking about Mr. Bush's "immature" past, Mr. Bush said, "That's part of my schtick, which is, look, we have all made mistakes."

He said he learned "a couple of really good lines" from Mr. Robison, the Texas pastor: "What you need to say time and time again is not talk about the details of your transgressions but talk about what I have learned. I've sinned and I've learned."

"I said, 'James' - he stopped - I said, 'I did some things when I was young that were immature,' " Mr. Bush said. "He said, 'But have you learned?' I said, 'James, that's the difference between me and the president. I've learned. I am prepared to accept the responsibility of this office.' "By the summer of 1999, Mr. Bush was telling Mr. Wead his approach to such prying questions had evolved. "I think it is time for somebody to just draw the line and look people in the eye and say, I am not going to participate in ugly rumors about me, and blame my opponents, and hold the line, and stand up for a system that will not allow this kind of crap to go on."

Later, however, Mr. Bush worried that his refusal to answer questions about whether he had used illegal drugs in the past could prove costly, but he held out nonetheless. "I am just not going to answer those questions. And it might cost me the election," he told Mr. Wead.

He complained repeatedly about the press scrutiny, accusing the news media of a "campaign" against him. While he talked of certain reporters as "pro-Bush" and commented favorably on some publications (U.S. News & World Report is "halfway decent," but Time magazine is "awful"), he vented frequently to Mr. Wead about what he considered the liberal bias and invasiveness of the news media in general.

"It's unbelievable," Mr. Bush said, reciting various rumors about his past that his aides had picked up from reporters. "They just float sewer out there."

Mr. Bush bristled at even an implicit aspersion on his past behavior from Dan Quayle, the former vice president and a rival candidate.

"He's gone ugly on me, man," Mr. Bush told Mr. Wead. Mr. Bush quoted Mr. Quayle as saying, "I'm proud of what I did before 40."

"As if I am not!" Mr. Bush said.

Sizing Up Opponents

During the primary contest, Mr. Bush often sized up his dozen Republican rivals, assessing their appeal to conservative Christian voters, their treatment of him and their prospects of serving in a future Bush administration. He paid particular attention to Senator John Ashcroft. "I like Ashcroft a lot," he told Mr. Wead in November 1998. "He is a competent man. He would be a good Supreme Court pick. He would be a good attorney general. He would be a good vice president."

When Mr. Wead predicted an uproar if Mr. Ashcroft were appointed to the court because of his conservative religious views, Mr. Bush replied, "Well, tough."

While Mr. Bush thought the conservative Christian candidates Gary L. Bauer and Alan Keyes would probably scare away moderates, he saw Mr. Ashcroft as an ally because he would draw evangelical voters into the race.

"I want Ashcroft to stay in there, and I want him to be very strong," Mr. Bush said. " I would love it to be a Bush-Ashcroft race. Only because I respect him. He wouldn't say ugly things about me. And I damn sure wouldn't say ugly things about him."

But Mr. Bush was sharply critical of Mr. Forbes, another son of privilege with a famous last name. Evangelicals were not going to like him, Mr. Bush said. "He's too preppy," Mr. Bush said, calling Mr. Forbes "mean spirited."

Recalling the bruising primary fight Mr. Forbes waged against Bob Dole in 1996, Mr. Bush told Mr. Wead, "Steve Forbes is going to hear this message from me. I will do nothing for him if he does to me what he did to Dole. Period. There is going to be a consequence. He is not dealing with the average, you know, 'Oh gosh, let's all get together after it's over.' I will promise you, I will not help him. I don't care."

Another time, Mr. Bush discussed offering Mr. Forbes a job as economic adviser or even secretary of commerce, if Mr. Forbes would approach him first.

Mr. Bush's political predictions were not always on the mark. Before the New Hampshire primary, Mr. Bush all but dismissed Senator John McCain, who turned out to be his strongest challenger.

"He's going to wear very thin when it is all said and done," he said.

When Mr. Wead suggested in June 2000 that Mr. McCain's popularity with Democrats and moderate voters might make him a strong vice presidential candidate, Mr. Bush almost laughed. "Oh, come on!" He added, "I don't know if he helps us win."

Mr. Bush could hardly contain his disdain for Mr. Gore, his Democratic opponent, at one point calling him "pathologically a liar." His confidence in the moral purpose of his campaign to usher in "a responsibility era" never wavered, but he acknowledged that winning might require hard jabs. "I may have to get a little rough for a while," he told Mr. Wead, "but that is what the old man had to do with Dukakis, remember?"

For his part, Mr. Wead said what was most resonant about the conversations with Mr. Bush was his concern that his past behavior might come back to haunt him. Mr. Wead said he used the tapes for his book because Mr. Bush's life so clearly fit his thesis: that presidents often grow up overshadowed by another sibling.

"What I saw in George W. Bush is that he purposefully put himself in the shadows by his irresponsible behavior as a young person," Mr. Wead said. That enabled him to come into his own outside the glare of his parents' expectations, Mr. Wead said.

Why disclose the tapes? "I just felt that the historical point I was making trumped a personal relationship," Mr. Wead said. Asked about consequences, Mr. Wead said, "I'll always be friendly toward him."


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20talk.html?ei=5065&en=3d3a7b4f99465096&ex=1109480400&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&position=

[HooyahCQB]

Um, ok. Big deal. The point is in a conversation he didn't know was being taped he said he wouldn't answer "those questions." Why? Because it might cost him the election? No! So little kids wouldn't do the same thing! That just earned him some points with me and probably a lot of other people too.

I'm glad that conservatives such as yourself have such high moral values. George Bush's "do as I say, not as I do" style of leadership has clearly been a success. Points my ass... :bash:

I guess if your a democrat you can screw interns and then lie about it directly to the american people because you never had "high moral values" to begin with ?


"thats ok Ted, its fine that you got drunk and killed a lady in your car ... your a democrat, you never had high moral values !"

rofl

rofl

That just threw pistols post out the window (even though it was already on its way)!

[Sir Zach of R.]

Saying "I invented the internet" on national television is a whole lot worse. rofl

rofl I really couldn't care less what Clinton did with Monica, cuz when you look at Hillary, you have to look at it from his perspective. rofl

[HooyahCQB]

Saying "I invented the internet" on national television is a whole lot worse. rofl

rofl I really couldn't care less what Clinton did with Monica, cuz when you look at Hillary, you have to look at it from his perspective. rofl

rofl

[budgie]

I saw this on CBS and thought 'big deal'. So Bush had a colorful youth? Ho-hum...

Even if this tape had come out before the election it wouldn't have affected Bush's chances as his supporters have long since made up their minds that President Bush is infallible.

What's telling is the mess the Republican Noise Machine made over Clinton's youthful drug use by comparison...

[johnyjee]

we know that bush is a mother ****ing punk that sniff coke

[Jobu]

Who cares if Bush smoke pot?

[pistol]

I guess if your a democrat you can screw interns and then lie about it directly to the american people because you never had "high moral values" to begin with ?


So heavy drinking, cocaine use (and who knows what else), multiple arrests including a DUI are fine because Bill Clinton got a hummer from an intern? Please, this is just another case of the pot calling the kettle black.



"thats ok Ted, its fine that you got drunk and killed a lady in your car ... your a democrat, you never had high moral values !"
rofl

That's an interesting example you make. Laura Bush has actually killed someone with her car and George Bush endangered countless lives by driving intoxicated who knows how many times before he was actually caught. I'm glad you find it humorous.


:bash:

[BarkingSquirrel]

I guess if your a democrat you can screw interns and then lie about it directly to the american people because you never had "high moral values" to begin with ?


So heavy drinking, cocaine use (and who knows what else), multiple arrests including a DUI are fine because Bill Clinton got a hummer from an intern? Please, this is just another case of the pot calling the kettle black.Well, its sure better than murder, along with the other litter and EPA laws broken by disposing of a car in a body of water ;)

[Kilgor]

you dont get it do you ?

Why do you treat democrat and republican crimes differently ?

Its ok for democrats to do sin, yet republicans must be held to account more sevrely.

Also it was more than just a blowjob for Bill. To get on public television and lie directly to the american people like that is unnacceptable.

[pistol]

To get on public television and lie directly to the american people like that is unnacceptable.

Unless it is about WMDs and involves starting a war. :bash:

[Kilgor]

To get on public television and lie directly to the american people like that is unnacceptable.

Unless it is about WMDs and involves starting a war. :bash:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

;)

Not your day huh rofl

[budgie]

Well, its sure better than murder, along with the other litter and EPA laws broken by disposing of a car in a body of water ;)

*Dives on squirrel to knock him out of the oncoming train's path averting his noble sacrifice for Bush*

AFAIK Bush was arrested and if his Daddy didn't intervene convicted of DUI. If you're suggesting Clinton commited murder - was he even charged? Or are you alluding to the Kennedy thing at Chappa-whatsit?

[pistol]

To get on public television and lie directly to the american people like that is unnacceptable.

Unless it is about WMDs and involves starting a war. :bash:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998



And he was successful. Iraq had no WMDs and he didn't have to lie about it. BTW, nice job avoiding the meat of my post and trying to turn the debate over George Bush's drug use into a debate about Clinton getting a BJ. Sorry to keep zinging you here, its gotta be hell for your ego...

[Sir Zach of R.]

To get on public television and lie directly to the american people like that is unnacceptable.

Unless it is about WMDs and involves starting a war. :bash:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998



And he was successful. Iraq had no WMDs and he didn't have to lie about it. BTW, nice job avoiding the meat of my post and trying to turn the debate over George Bush's drug use into a debate about Clinton getting a BJ. Sorry to keep zinging you here, its gotta be hell for your ego...

Sorry pistol, my official militaryphotos.net Zingage detector remains at zero. Instead I used my "Forgets to post the other facts" detector, and your posts broke it.

Saddam was trying his hardest to show that he still had WMD in the months leading up to the war. I don't know if this was to try to scare us, to scare his arab neighbors, I have no idea. But we do know he had them during the nineties. After all, over 600,000 people were killed while living in Iraq under Saddam.

And I also do specifically remember France and several other notable European countries saying he had WMD. Not to mention John Kerry's speech where he said it'd be ludacris to believe Saddam didn't have WMD. Democrats' attitudes didn't start changing on this subject untile around July/August of that year. Now what I don't understand, is how they can call W. a liar when they still haven't admitted their own self proclaimed "lies" about Iraq's WMD.

I'm sorry pistol, but the sh!t you spew is complete hipocrasy when alligned with the past messages made by liberals around the US. You sir, have been shot down, and killed on impact. Thankyou ladies and germs, and goodnight. p-)

[pistol]

But we do know he had them during the nineties. After all, over 600,000 people were killed while living in Iraq under Saddam.

And I also do specifically remember France and several other notable European countries saying he had WMD. Not to mention John Kerry's speech where he said it'd be ludacris to believe Saddam didn't have WMD. Democrats' attitudes didn't start changing on this subject untile around July/August of that year. Now what I don't understand, is how they can call W. a liar when they still haven't admitted their own self proclaimed "lies" about Iraq's WMD.


Enough appologies. Was it or was it not a lie? Answer in one word. A 'yes' answer indicates that Saddam had WMDs in 2003 when we invaded. A 'no' answer indicates that he did not.

[Zorro C9]

What Clinton did had nothing to do with the Americanski people- it's none of their business and should have stayed between Billy Bob and Hills.

[FallenAngel]

But we do know he had them during the nineties. After all, over 600,000 people were killed while living in Iraq under Saddam.

And I also do specifically remember France and several other notable European countries saying he had WMD. Not to mention John Kerry's speech where he said it'd be ludacris to believe Saddam didn't have WMD. Democrats' attitudes didn't start changing on this subject untile around July/August of that year. Now what I don't understand, is how they can call W. a liar when they still haven't admitted their own self proclaimed "lies" about Iraq's WMD.


Enough appologies. Was it or was it not a lie? Answer in one word. A 'yes' answer indicates that Saddam had WMDs in 2003 when we invaded. A 'no' answer indicates that he did not.

Actually, no one (UN, EU, US) knew where Saddam's stockpiles of weapons were or are today for that matter. We know he had them. He didn't prove he destroyed them. The logical conclusion came to by everyone (Dems, Republicans, UN officials, etc) was that he still had them.

So, really, saying Bush knew for a fact they were no longer in Iraq would be calling everyone else who thought Saddam had WMD a liar too.

The only point that's worth contending is whether or not you think missing WMD last seen in the hands of a dictator (and evil one at that) is worth going to war over. At least in the US, UK, Italy, Poland, Spain (initially), etc etc....the answer was "yes".

[Ratman]

I rate Dubya's decision and ability to overcome his drug and alcohol addiction as the most impressive thing he's ever done in his life. (I realize he hasn't done much at all "impressing", but chalk this one up.) He had to do that himself at the end of the day. And from what I've read, he wasn't a mere casual user. Good for him.

[gaijinsamurai]

I'm a registered Democrat and I CAN'T STAND Bush. That having been said, I can say I have a bit MORE RESPECT FOR HIM after reading this!! It is the person who stabbed him in the back by secretly recording the conversations that is the scumbag, in my opinion. If Bush refused to answer the "pot" question, I could care less. It is a dumb issue anyways. I care more about his willingness to lie to get his war in Iraq.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I'm a leftie but I also give Bush credit on this. He was ****ing his life up on booze etc. He turned it around. All though I disagree with his policies he got rid of the devils and has become a successfull businessman and politician.

Onto the WMD. Now 6 months before the war Iraq declared that it did not have any WMD's and the only things the inspectors found were some scud missiles that had their firing capability removed by the Iraqi's.

One thing I will say though. This is a question. Would we even really care if Iraq, Iran, Syria had WMD's or supported terrorism if Israel and or Oil was not in the Middle East? Oh and the Suez Canal?

[gaijinsamurai]

No, we wouldn't care. That's why so many other countries get away with what they do!

[Federalist]

So Bush admmitted to grug use. If A man must have never done anything wrong in his life in order to be president, we would have no president! The point is, he didn't lie about it. Thats what separates him from Bill "I didn't inhale" Clinton, John "war hero" Kerry, and all the other leftists. Honesty and the ability to admit having made a mistake.

[Weasel]

I prefer presidents who like blowjobs instead of drugs.

[BarkingSquirrel]

*** can be just as addictive as pot. An addiction is an addiction is an addiction. Unlike bubba, Bush proved he can beat his.

[Federalist]

I prefer presidents who like blowjobs instead of drugs.

Bush experimented with drugs years before entering the White House. Clinton got his blowjob while in the White House serving as president of the United States, and lied about it on national tv. Oh, and Clinton did admit to trying marijuana but claimed "I didn't inhale."

[Federalist]

I prefer presidents who like blowjobs instead of drugs.

Clinton likes blowjobs. Bush liked drugs. Can you spot the difference? (I put it in bold letters to make it easier for you).

"Don't vote for the Democrats; they left a bad taste in my mouth."
- Monica Lewinsky

p-)

[Weasel]

Why are blowjobs bad and worth a public discussion?

[CG51]

marion berry for president...he was busted in a motel room smoking crack with a prostitute...now thats politics at its best...

[Dennis G]

The President addressed it when he ran for Governor the first time. When asked about drug use in a debate with Ma Richards he answered "When I was young and stupid, I was young and stupid. I grew up..." Very few people who grew up in the 60's didn't try pot. Big deal. It's what's in their heart now that matters! I have heard a lot of excerpts from these recordings and I think the President comes off very well.


"I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions," he said, according to the Times. "You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried."

Wouldn't it have been nice if slick Willie had thought of the impact upon children before he lied under oath?

Then again, Slick Willie is a sociopath whereas George W has a conscience.

To reiterate-the only reason IMO that this crap is in the news is because it is yet another desperate attempt by the left to make Bush look bad. Same thing happened the day or so before the 2000 election when it was revealed that George W had a DUI arrest in 1976 or 1974.





But we do know he had them during the nineties. After all, over 600,000 people were killed while living in Iraq under Saddam.

And I also do specifically remember France and several other notable European countries saying he had WMD. Not to mention John Kerry's speech where he said it'd be ludacris to believe Saddam didn't have WMD. Democrats' attitudes didn't start changing on this subject untile around July/August of that year. Now what I don't understand, is how they can call W. a liar when they still haven't admitted their own self proclaimed "lies" about Iraq's WMD.


Enough appologies. Was it or was it not a lie? Answer in one word. A 'yes' answer indicates that Saddam had WMDs in 2003 when we invaded. A 'no' answer indicates that he did not.

Pistol you're a dumbass, no need for an apology. ;)

[radon]

Why had Clinton to answer questions about having blow jobs in the first place?

[ibstolidude]

I prefer presidents who like blowjobs instead of drugs.
hwo unfortunate then the one to whom you refer had no clean slate w/drugs.

[Kilgor]

I prefer presidents who like blowjobs instead of drugs.

Id say like most people here.. they would experimented with both.

My problem is Clinton continously lied to the public about the whole affair until the money shot dress turned up.

[pistol]

Wouldn't it have been nice if slick Willie had thought of the impact upon children before he lied under oath?

Then again, Slick Willie is a sociopath whereas George W has a conscience.



And I'm sure that so-called conscience is clear watching casket after casket come home from the war started over his lies. That's no conscience. :bash:

[BarkingSquirrel]

Yeah, I mean we all know 25 million lifes aren't worth ****, after all they're just worthless ragheads right?

[James]

Marijuana, cocaine, alcohol en masse. What else?

I thought Shrub's substance abuse back in the day was common knowledge... I guess the media can make old news "new" again... :roll:

[Seiyuuki]

Hitler was a vegetarian, doesn't drink much, even won some medals for serving in the first World War. Though history shown that his clean record didn't exactly make him the best leader in world history.

[Kilgor]

Hitler was a vegetarian, doesn't drink much, even won some medals for serving in the first World War. Though history shown that his clean record didn't exactly make him the best leader in world history.

Good point, and we all have been told how closely bush is to hitler :roll:

[Trigger]

aw, darn!
There goes dubya's chance for re-election. rofl

Kudos to you guys who are still able to find the darkest spots on the sunniest days.

Maybe you should follow Hunter S. Thompson's lead and save yourself needless suffering. rofl

[HooyahCQB]

Why are blowjobs bad and worth a public discussion?

Weasel, purely curious question, have have you been to the United States? You're from Germany right? Definately Europe?

Whereas open violence is taboo in your TV programs and culture, *** is taboo in ours. You don't see it from the same angle, that's all.

Hope this helps a bit.

[pistol]

*** is taboo in ours.

Since when?

[Zorro C9]

Taboo or not, it's still none of the publics business. It didn't impact the running of the nation until someone got righteous about it. It should have stayed between a husband and his wife. That's all.

[Milkman]

I also hear from a reliable source that Bush does PCP, while having *** with his secretary, who is a male.


/sarcasm


Curiously, I never hear Liberals denounce Clinton for being a pot smoker, why do you think that is the case? :roll:



*** is taboo in ours.

Since when?

When was the last time you saw full nudity and *** on national television?

Thats right, never. FFS we see part of Janet Jackson's **** and everyone freaks out, how do you think they would respond if she stripped naked and had Timberlake bang her from the behind?

[Ratman]

you dont get it do you ?

Why do you treat democrat and republican crimes differently ?

Its ok for democrats to do sin, yet republicans must be held to account more sevrely.

Also it was more than just a blowjob for Bill. To get on public television and lie directly to the american people like that is unnacceptable.

Bush does this for a living. :cantbeli: Except that Bush doesn't get on public television because his handlers are AFRAID.

Also, IMO, there are different degrees of "lying". Degree 1: saying that the holocoust never happened. Degree 10: denying that you shagged your neighbors wife.

Bush's reference to British intelligence in his STU address re Iraq attempting to get nuclear material falls into category 2; Clinton's "****** relations" misnomer falls into category 9.

[Ratman]

I prefer presidents who like blowjobs instead of drugs.

Clinton likes blowjobs. Bush liked drugs. Can you spot the difference? (I put it in bold letters to make it easier for you).

"Don't vote for the Democrats; they left a bad taste in my mouth."
- Monica Lewinsky

p-)

And where do you stand on these issues.

[HooyahCQB]

*** is taboo in ours.

Since when?


I'm sorry.....MORE Taboo..

..at least for those of us who have morals..

[Weasel]

Hitler was a vegetarian, doesn't drink much, even won some medals for serving in the first World War. Though history shown that his clean record didn't exactly make him the best leader in world history.

You compare Hitler with Bush? :roll:

[Seiyuuki]

Hitler was a vegetarian, doesn't drink much, even won some medals for serving in the first World War. Though history shown that his clean record didn't exactly make him the best leader in world history.

You compare Hitler with Bush? :roll:

Being stupid must come naturally to you.

Never heard that joke have you, you know, the one that ask which man you want as your President, one being an alcoholic and an ass, the other being perfect. You being stupid and all, I'll tell you the answer, the perfect guy was Hitler and the drunk was Winston Churchill.

[Weasel]

Hitler was a vegetarian, doesn't drink much, even won some medals for serving in the first World War. Though history shown that his clean record didn't exactly make him the best leader in world history.

You compare Hitler with Bush? :roll:

Being stupid must come naturally to you.

Never heard that joke have you, you know, the one that ask which man you want as your President, one being an alcoholic and an ass, the other being perfect. You being stupid and all, I'll tell you the answer, the perfect guy was Hitler and the drunk was Winston Churchill.

Very funny, indeed. :roll:

[Seiyuuki]

Hitler was a vegetarian, doesn't drink much, even won some medals for serving in the first World War. Though history shown that his clean record didn't exactly make him the best leader in world history.

You compare Hitler with Bush? :roll:

Being stupid must come naturally to you.

Never heard that joke have you, you know, the one that ask which man you want as your President, one being an alcoholic and an ass, the other being perfect. You being stupid and all, I'll tell you the answer, the perfect guy was Hitler and the drunk was Winston Churchill.

Very funny, indeed. :roll:

I thought so, that was why I said "BUSH IS LIKE HITLER", wait, that wasn't me, that was you, idiot.

[Weasel]

Hitler was a vegetarian, doesn't drink much, even won some medals for serving in the first World War. Though history shown that his clean record didn't exactly make him the best leader in world history.

You compare Hitler with Bush? :roll:

Being stupid must come naturally to you.

Never heard that joke have you, you know, the one that ask which man you want as your President, one being an alcoholic and an ass, the other being perfect. You being stupid and all, I'll tell you the answer, the perfect guy was Hitler and the drunk was Winston Churchill.

Very funny, indeed. :roll:

I thought so, that was why I said "BUSH IS LIKE HITLER", wait, that wasn't me, that was you, idiot.

Where did I wrote that? Can´t remember.

And sorry, I don´t use insults.

[Seiyuuki]

Where did I wrote that? Can´t remember.

And sorry, I don´t use insults.


You compare Hitler with Bush? :roll:

Look up euphemism, idiot. It isn't an insult when you earn that title.

[Weasel]

Where did I wrote that? Can´t remember.

And sorry, I don´t use insults.


You compare Hitler with Bush? :roll:

Look up euphemism, idiot. It isn't an insult when you earn that title.

Whatever you say. Whatever your level is. :P

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Um, ok. Big deal. The point is in a conversation he didn't know was being taped he said he wouldn't answer "those questions." Why? Because it might cost him the election? No! So little kids wouldn't do the same thing! That just earned him some points with me and probably a lot of other people too.

I'm glad that conservatives such as yourself have such high moral values. George Bush's "do as I say, not as I do" style of leadership has clearly been a success. Points my ass... :bash:

You have missed a fundamental point (one that a lot of people miss)..

Bush is not saying "do as I say, not as I do", he's saying "do as I say, not as I did"

That is the difference between being a hypocrite, and being a leader (or a parent for that matter).

[Pandy]

Seiyuuki & Weasel, Shut the **** up.... you guys are bitching about something that should have ended like 5 replys ago...

President Bush smoking weed?... who hasn't? ****, I know my mom done smoke weed before and been drunk a good amount of times... I know my dad done did a lot of stuff... so what.. President's weren't President's when they did those drugs so... I bet you MONEY that when they were ****ed up.... they said these words.. "I'm gonna become President..." ;) I know I did :roll: