Just saw excellent movie called "The Sept. Tapes"

[M1A2U2]

This movie is crazy. Its a movie/documentary of this guy who goes into afghanistan after 9/11 to try and find bin Laden and ends up getting in the middle of a **** storm. Its like the blair witch of t war movies. I highly recommend everyone see it.
www.septembertapes.com
Click on the title when you get to the website then view the trailer.

[AFG]

ah this looks familiar. remember somebody posted the video clip when they're in the church (or whatever) and then someone commented that the AK they had was fake or something?

[Mark Sman]

Yup, seen it. Its the same movie that the clip was from.

A for effort to the production crew. Filmed in Afghanistan. The rest, meh, not my cup of boiled bat wings. But then, everyone has their own take.

[M1A2U2]

Well i first watched it i didnt know it was staged, yet as the movie goes on it turns out much of it wasnt staged. They really began to question whether it was worth fiming because the arfghans the are with are really trying to find bin laden. Just some of the combat scenes are made up.
But the gunshots and stuff really do look real. Some of the most realistic gun work ive ever seen in a movie. Usually u just see like huge muzzle flashes with these stupid fake sounds. This realy makes you think that its real.

[obd]

haha, yeah I actually picked it up in from the rentals having never heard of it. I initially thought it was some sort of newely released documentary of A-stan and I went into it fully thinking I was about to watch a documentary.

My very first thought however were, "this guy is a complete and total moron with a death wish" and Im not just talking about going to A-stan without proper preperation. Im talking about his completely moronic actions examples: Asking stupid questions of the locals, making dumb ass ignorant and overly simplistic statements about the A-stan/world situation (which I guess fit his character of a young american male not really interested in the word suddenly being forced to confront it and take note of it by the 9/11 attacks), playing soccer out in a public street with his shirt off (as in big white AMERICAN!!), and especially when he went to the underground arms dealer. I was thinking "this mofo WANTS to die here" as some sort of survivors guilt for his families losses on 9/11 or some ****.

Really though this movie was done really really well. The first 20 minutes looks exactly like its a real deal documentary. Very realistic dialogue and perfect cinimetography. Accept for the main character's dialogue which is straight out of "ignorant bumbling American" all the other dialogue was spot on. The scene where the arms deal almost goes bad b/c dumb ass American didnt realize what he was getting himself into was done really really well. A near perfect depiction of exactly how a situation like that can deteriorate into a life/death situation.

Its kinda funny, just as soon as I begain to think "this is bull****, this isnt really a documentary" (I actually though this within the first 5 minutes but then the scenes of them walking through the real streets of A-stan changed my mind) (I was thinking "ok nobody in thier right mind would take risks to make a fake documentary movie in A-stan with all the **** going down there) there is the scene where the Afghans bandits raid thier convoy and threaten to kill them. That scene was so dramatic and so well done I basically forgot my earlier skepticism.

The combat scenes were also very well done. Easily the most realistic (although not perfect) I have ever seen and really makes the "realism" of Saving Private Ryan come into question. I didt notice the "fake" looking Ak-47 he had but I actually chalked it up as one of the Afghan copies seen often in A-stan (and often actually made just over the border in P-stan). hehehehe

Right about the point where his interpreter gets shot is where the whole movie goes all to hell though in terms of believability.

Still I gotta give credit to the makers of this movie.

1. They shot in A-stan which is amazing enough
2. They had a small budget
3. The acting was top notch (although the main characters dialogue itself nearly ruined the movie for me b/c it was so stupid as to be nearly unbelievable but luckily the many tense moments made me forget about it). They used real Afghans to in some cases portray themselves and,......you guessed it.........they did a perfectly believable job acting like themselves heheheh.

4. By far the best performance in the movie has to go to the Afghan interpreter and "minder". The scene where he gets dragged out of the car and such during the convoy raid had me on the edge of my seat literally. I could feel his fear! Awesome job.

Scene's not to be missed include:

1. The convoy chase where they are shooting RPG's at thier truck in a classic chase sequence (this did make me think Hollywood BS!!! but it was still really well done)

2. The arms deal gone bad scene (very tense and exciting)

3. The first 20 minutes of the movie

4. The first major battle

5. The bandit convoy raid where they were nearly executed

6. The cave fight at the end (at this point I was just laughing constantly and also smiling because the movie had me fooled for the forst 30-45 minutes or so)


Its neat to watch how the movie breaks down your bull**** detectors. As soon as it gets to a point where you think "BS", there is usually a really tense and hyper realistic scene that sucks you in and makes you forget about the unrealistic camera movements and especially the cutting.

Overall rating: B+ (mostly because the ending sucked ass)

[Mark Sman]

I agree with much of what OBD says about this movie, with two major exceptions.


The scene where the arms deal almost goes bad b/c dumb ass American didnt realize what he was getting himself into was done really really well. A near perfect depiction of exactly how a situation like that can deteriorate into a life/death situation.

Its actually the interpreter that almost gets them wacked in that scene. Watch it again. The American (as actually was the interpreter, although of Afghani origin) knew what he was doing. Buying a gun. Watch what the afghanis say in the background. They are all mad at Walli.

The making of the movie bit that is on my DVD is actualy more interesting than movie.

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The other major exception.

The major combat scenes. I was thinking the tracers were a little bit to "Roman candle."

But like I said. Everyone tastes things differently. Overall: more effort than anyone puts into making a picture. A for effort.

[wiking]

Bugger, there's only one guy that's sharing it on all the DC++ hubs i'm on. This is going to take a while :|


Looks like an excellent movie.

[obd]

yes that is technically true that the interpretor caused the situation to go downhill but ONLY because he knew that the American was not a serious arms buyer and he was trying to just get out before it got really bad.......as in they talk for 3 hours and waste time and then dumd **** only buys one pistol etc........

Also the interpretor was VERY smart to warn him not to pull out ALL his money at one time as he was about to do. Often if you bring too much money they just shoot you and take it hehehe........

So really I still blame the American character for getting them into that situation in the first place. The interpreter knew just how dangerous it was and was only trying to get out of it ASAP which was probably the best thing to do. It went all to hell when they got suspicious that he was "intereupting the deal" (which he was and for good reason hehe)

Also I agree with some of the tracer bits. As I said it was good but not perfect. Also some of the wall impacts looked overly done and a bit fake.

Haha I just remmembered: The part where the RPG-7 makes a hole in the wall for him to climb out of also had me saying "hollywood BS!!!!" heheh. It was just TOO perfect hehe.

[Saint]

Is this movie comming to dvd anytime soon?
I would like to see it..

[Sloppy Joe2]

Is this movie comming to dvd anytime soon?
I would like to see it.. its out on dvd just saw it as well and it was a joke yeah obd is right where for the first 20 or so minutes of it looked genuine UNTIL the battle with the crappiest looking stunt gun i have ever seen even me having only held a kalashnikov a few times could tell it was a crappy toy knock off i even thought at first that it was a toy gun i had a few years back as a kid i hate to pick a part movies and usually try to sit back and enjoy them but i could not help myself here this was not the only scene with mistakes again as obd pointed out his review on it was very good i dont recommend it but hey if you see it have fun :)

[usa320]

if you need an interpreter, you probably shouldnt be running around afghanistan alone in the first place.

I have no problem with Bounty Hunters going over there trying to find Osama, but they oughta know the langauge and the culture first. a stupid slip up of words could get them shot.

[M1A2U2]

that was a real AK. The stock was like a modified version from some central asian country. THe had another Ak later on in the movie when he run out of the camo on the weird looking one.

[EvanL]

if you need an interpreter, you probably shouldnt be running around afghanistan alone in the first place.

I have no problem with Bounty Hunters going over there trying to find Osama, but they oughta know the langauge and the culture first. a stupid slip up of words could get them shot.
maybe you should head on over there with them to protect them. seeing as you know the language and culture.
You would probably do great over there, especially as a human bullet catcher.

[Lifeinasmallbox]

i liked it...

[Sloppy Joe2]

that was a real AK. The stock was like a modified version from some central asian country. THe had another Ak later on in the movie when he run out of the camo on the weird looking one. go watch it again and look at the magazine, the front sight and the lack of a rear sight all together the magazine would hold a .22 lr at best compare the ak in the firefight to the one he had in the cave with the camera man the one he had in the cave looked genuine check it again so will i maybe i am mistaken :)

[usa320]

if you need an interpreter, you probably shouldnt be running around afghanistan alone in the first place.

I have no problem with Bounty Hunters going over there trying to find Osama, but they oughta know the langauge and the culture first. a stupid slip up of words could get them shot.
maybe you should head on over there with them to protect them. seeing as you know the language and culture.
You would probably do great over there, especially as a human bullet catcher.

**** off.

I never said i knew the language, and hence, i dont plan on travelling there anytime soon.

This doesnt just go for afghanistan. It is unwise to go to any nation that speaks another language without knowing at least some basic phrases in their respective language.

[EvanL]

if you need an interpreter, you probably shouldnt be running around afghanistan alone in the first place.

I have no problem with Bounty Hunters going over there trying to find Osama, but they oughta know the langauge and the culture first. a stupid slip up of words could get them shot.
maybe you should head on over there with them to protect them. seeing as you know the language and culture.
You would probably do great over there, especially as a human bullet catcher.

f*** off.

I never said i knew the language, and hence, i dont plan on travelling there anytime soon.

This doesnt just go for afghanistan. It is unwise to go to any nation that speaks another language without knowing at least some basic phrases in their respective language.
haha im jabbing at you cus you think you know everything. dont piss yourself over it.

[Brozozo]

I also just saw an awesome movie, it's called "Debbie Does Dallas"

FVCK YEAH!

[jaybird13]

cough:: blair witch ::cough

[Lifeinasmallbox]

go watch it again and look at the magazine, the front sight and the lack of a rear sight all together the magazine would hold a .22 lr at best compare the ak in the firefight to the one he had in the cave with the camera man the one he had in the cave looked genuine check it again so will i maybe i am mistaken

audie you suck... :bash:

i seen a show about insurgents. it showed them making their own guns. maybe they just tweaked the AK design a little bit so it could shoot a 9mm or yes a .22. yeah it did look like a toy but i swear i seen muzzle flash AND a recoil. but what do i konw...im just ur understudy........and tell mom i say hi

[M1A2U2]

I think it may be chinese made.

[Sloppy Joe2]

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go watch it again and look at the magazine, the front sight and the lack of a rear sight all together the magazine would hold a .22 lr at best compare the ak in the firefight to the one he had in the cave with the camera man the one he had in the cave looked genuine check it again so will i maybe i am mistaken


audie you suck...

i seen a show about insurgents. it showed them making their own guns. maybe they just tweaked the AK design a little bit so it could shoot a 9mm or yes a .22. yeah it did look like a toy but i swear i seen muzzle flash AND a recoil. but what do i konw...im just ur understudy........and tell mom i say hi
hollywood stunt guns the ones you see in all your favorite blockbusters have this same look and effect she says hi back asks how your foot is ???

[Lifeinasmallbox]

i guess this is a circle arguement...i cant prove that it was real and you cant prove that it was hollywood... we settle this in a ghost recon duo...i kick ur ass....tell her the hole is healing up fine :lol:

[obd]

yeah, when I saw the movie I just chalked it up to an Afghan or Pakistani made Ak clone made to fire a different calibre.......as in a hunting version of the AK or something. I assumed some poor farmer bought the AK nock off because it was cheaper than a full fledged imported AK. (and maybe easier to shoot with the smaller rounds)

I've actually seen a history channel called "Tales of the Gun: Weapons of Afghanistan" where they detail some of the home made clones made in various shops in A-stan/P-stan. That AK looked like it could easily have come from one of those shops.

There is also the important note that at the end of the movie he picks up what looks like a proper AK in the cave sequence so perhaps the directors recognized the difference and purpously gave him and Afghan made AK clone ..........who knows.

But anyway, it clearly had no front site, was rechambered, etc.

Im not really an expert on what sorts of AK variants are found in A-stan by the non war fighting farmers and such. Perhaps they do use smaller calibre AK style weapons to patrol thier farms etc..........Although to be honest I cant really imagine anything cheaper in A-stan than 7.62 short!!!! hehehe.

Oh well.

[Lifeinasmallbox]

:D :D :D

[Lifeinasmallbox]

:D :D :D

[Sloppy Joe2]

the main character was also in band of brother, the lost battalion and the tv mini series spartacus :D

[Lifeinasmallbox]

this hurts....kinda like when i found out wrestling was fake or that the easter bunny was a homo******.... :cantbeli:

http://www.firstlookmedia.com/films/septembertapes/sept_tapes_prod_notes.pdf

audie you suck....

but they do make their own guns.....