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Ghostwolf
02-20-2005, 10:16 AM
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- China's growing military and its threat to Taiwan will be primary topics of conversation when foreign and defense ministers from the United States and Japan meet Saturday, State Department officials said.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will hold talks with their Japanese counterparts at the State Department as part of a regular formal dialogue on the U.S.-Japan Security Alliance, a cornerstone of U.S. national security interests in East Asia.

The Washington Post reported in Friday's editions that Saturday's discussions will include a focus on Taiwan as a new security concern. The paper also suggested a communiqu?issued after the talks would call for Japan to take a greater role in coordination with U.S. forces in Asia.

The talks come as the United States considers how to realign the nearly 50,000 U.S. forces in Japan.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told reporters Friday afternoon that any discussions about Taiwan or about a greater role for Japan would be "within the scope" of the two nations' mutual security treaty.

"We and Japan are allies," Boucher said. "When there are tensions in some parts of Asia -- whether it's North Korea, the Taiwan Strait or some other part of Asia -- we talk to Japan about it."

China views Taiwan as a renegade province that must be united with the mainland, by force if necessary.

Although U.S. policy recognizes Taiwan as part of China, the Bush administration has been increasingly concerned about China's threat to use force against Taiwan, should it move toward independence.

The United States does not have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan, but has pledged to protect it and provide arms sales through the Taiwan Relations Act.

Rice said Friday that "the cross-strait issue is an issue of concern in the Asia Pacific" and that stability in the region depends on a peaceful resolution of the Taiwan issue.

"We have cautioned all parties that there should be no attempt to change the status quo unilaterally," she said. "That means no attempt by China to change the status quo unilaterally, no attempt by Taiwan to change the status quo unilaterally."

A senior State Department official said that while the United States has consistently talked with Japan about the tension across the Taiwan Strait, "we are going to note this in public this time because we want others to know that we are both concerned about it."

Officials have also warned about China's aggressive military buildup. On Wednesday, CIA Director Porter Goss told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that China's military buildup not only tilts the balance of power in the Taiwan Strait, it threatens U.S. forces in the region. (Full story)

Boucher said that China's emerging military and economic power in Asia is seen as positive -- for example, in the World Trade Organization and in the U.N. Security Council.

He said there are areas of concern, such as China's threats against Taiwan and Beijing's export of missile technology.

"We support the emergence of China in the region and on the world stage in many areas, as it's doing," Boucher said. But he added, "we also expect China to play by the rules, to adopt the various standards of conduct that other responsible international players use."

The senior State Department official said that while China's main goal of expanding its military might is to intimidate Taiwan, it is also trying to demonstrate its power in the region and operating in areas where the United States has operations, "which is not a good thing."

The official added that Japan is concerned about moves by China, such as a recent incursion into Japanese waters by a Chinese submarine.

Saturday's talks will also include the North Korean nuclear issue. The United States is working with Japan, China and Russia to persuade North Korea to return to six-party talks aimed at ending its nuclear program


Source (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/19/us.japan/index.html)

Jin
02-21-2005, 05:06 PM
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- China's growing military and its threat to Taiwan will be primary topics of conversation when foreign and defense ministers from the United States and Japan meet Saturday, State Department officials said.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will hold talks with their Japanese counterparts at the State Department as part of a regular formal dialogue on the U.S.-Japan Security Alliance, a cornerstone of U.S. national security interests in East Asia.

The Washington Post reported in Friday's editions that Saturday's discussions will include a focus on Taiwan as a new security concern. The paper also suggested a communiqu?issued after the talks would call for Japan to take a greater role in coordination with U.S. forces in Asia.

The talks come as the United States considers how to realign the nearly 50,000 U.S. forces in Japan.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told reporters Friday afternoon that any discussions about Taiwan or about a greater role for Japan would be "within the scope" of the two nations' mutual security treaty.

"We and Japan are allies," Boucher said. "When there are tensions in some parts of Asia -- whether it's North Korea, the Taiwan Strait or some other part of Asia -- we talk to Japan about it."

China views Taiwan as a renegade province that must be united with the mainland, by force if necessary.

Although U.S. policy recognizes Taiwan as part of China, the Bush administration has been increasingly concerned about China's threat to use force against Taiwan, should it move toward independence.

The United States does not have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan, but has pledged to protect it and provide arms sales through the Taiwan Relations Act.

Rice said Friday that "the cross-strait issue is an issue of concern in the Asia Pacific" and that stability in the region depends on a peaceful resolution of the Taiwan issue.

"We have cautioned all parties that there should be no attempt to change the status quo unilaterally," she said. "That means no attempt by China to change the status quo unilaterally, no attempt by Taiwan to change the status quo unilaterally."

A senior State Department official said that while the United States has consistently talked with Japan about the tension across the Taiwan Strait, "we are going to note this in public this time because we want others to know that we are both concerned about it."

Officials have also warned about China's aggressive military buildup. On Wednesday, CIA Director Porter Goss told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that China's military buildup not only tilts the balance of power in the Taiwan Strait, it threatens U.S. forces in the region. (Full story)

Boucher said that China's emerging military and economic power in Asia is seen as positive -- for example, in the World Trade Organization and in the U.N. Security Council.

He said there are areas of concern, such as China's threats against Taiwan and Beijing's export of missile technology.

"We support the emergence of China in the region and on the world stage in many areas, as it's doing," Boucher said. But he added, "we also expect China to play by the rules, to adopt the various standards of conduct that other responsible international players use."

The senior State Department official said that while China's main goal of expanding its military might is to intimidate Taiwan, it is also trying to demonstrate its power in the region and operating in areas where the United States has operations, "which is not a good thing."

The official added that Japan is concerned about moves by China, such as a recent incursion into Japanese waters by a Chinese submarine.

Saturday's talks will also include the North Korean nuclear issue. The United States is working with Japan, China and Russia to persuade North Korea to return to six-party talks aimed at ending its nuclear program


Source (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/19/us.japan/index.html)

I fail to see the point as to why the Japanese and the Americans would make a statement like this. Its already known for a fact that the Japanese will support the US if it enters the conflict between China and Taiwan. The statement will only agitate the Chinese and put even more pressure on the Japanese - Chinese relationship.

In any case, if a war does break out between China and Taiwan... The entire region will go down into a sh!et hole. Including where I am right now... :petting:

duck
02-21-2005, 05:27 PM
I'll be stopping by next week. Hold on until then. ;)

More seriously, any Japanese military upgrading considered offensive by other area Nations would surely result in at least South Korea taking countermeasures of it's own.

Dong Tsun Chang
02-21-2005, 05:39 PM
At least one of Taiwan's defence heads said in an event of Beijing's attack they would retaliate by arsoning HK and Shang Hai first...


In any case, if a war does break out between China and Taiwan... The entire region will go down into a sh!et hole. Including where I am right now... :petting:

Jin
02-21-2005, 05:40 PM
Sooner or later, there will be an arms race.

It will be like a chain reaction. Japan will increase its Military...SK will respond and do the same. And all it takes is one flareup...and everything in that region lights up in flames!
:(

Jin
02-21-2005, 05:44 PM
At least one of Taiwan's defence heads said in an event of Beijing's attack they would retaliate by arsoning HK and Shang Hai first...


In any case, if a war does break out between China and Taiwan... The entire region will go down into a sh!et hole. Including where I am right now... :petting:

If its true....sucks to be me. :petting:

But that would also cause damage to other countries as well... Many companies are based in HK.

Dong Tsun Chang
02-21-2005, 05:53 PM
So move to northern China mate, Da Lian could be good choice for its nice beach and lovely girls. :lol: People has to seek shining points for making up miserable world, isn't it?

Let's pray Taiwan wouldn't be stupid enough to go for independence, otherwise let's pary Beijing would tolerate Taiwan... :(

TheKiwi
02-21-2005, 07:18 PM
Any increase in Japanese military power is only going to be temporary. At their current population 'growth' rates, they're going to shrink from 127 million to just 65-70 million by 2050. Any increases cannot be kept up long term. China simply has to play the patience game.

basket of soft kittens
02-21-2005, 09:05 PM
does anyone else see a second cold war? here except replace russia with china

CG51
02-21-2005, 09:25 PM
or if china, india and russia form a tri-pact...then there will be a huge arms race...

Seiyuuki
02-21-2005, 09:28 PM
Any increase in Japanese military power is only going to be temporary. At their current population 'growth' rates, they're going to shrink from 127 million to just 65-70 million by 2050. Any increases cannot be kept up long term. China simply has to play the patience game.

With China one child birth policy and your average Chinese preference for a male child, by 2050, China is going to have a huge male population with very few female to marry too.

basket of soft kittens
02-21-2005, 09:37 PM
Any increase in Japanese military power is only going to be temporary. At their current population 'growth' rates, they're going to shrink from 127 million to just 65-70 million by 2050. Any increases cannot be kept up long term. China simply has to play the patience game.

With China one child birth policy and your average Chinese preference for a male child, by 2050, China is going to have a huge male population with very few female to marry too.
then they will start spreading......

TheKiwi
02-21-2005, 10:09 PM
Nah, they'll stick them all in the Army.

Jin
02-21-2005, 11:40 PM
that means...umlimited man power...

Jin
02-21-2005, 11:41 PM
or if china, india and russia form a tri-pact...then there will be a huge arms race...

I heard China, Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa will form its own defense bloc.

"BRICS"
(Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa)

NicNZ
02-22-2005, 12:07 AM
that means...umlimited man power...
And some terrible boy-bands...

...and a massive demand for ****! :D

Seiyuuki
02-22-2005, 12:46 AM
that means...umlimited man power...
And some terrible boy-bands...

...and a massive demand for ****! :D

I know I shouldn't, but I just can't help it. This all bring up the thread about "gay bomb" or something like that. rofl

CG51
02-22-2005, 01:03 AM
or if china, india and russia form a tri-pact...then there will be a huge arms race...

I heard China, Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa will form its own defense bloc.

"BRICS"
(Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa)

possible...i believe china, india and russia would be more feasible in terms of logistics...i read where the three have been discussing this pact for years now...china and india are the top consumers of russian hardware...the future will be interesting indeed...

Lokos
02-22-2005, 01:20 AM
Actually, what it means is a catastrophic demographic implosion that will most likely fundamentally change the nature of Chinese society.

Lokos

CG51
02-22-2005, 01:49 AM
Actually, what it means is a catastrophic demographic implosion that will most likely fundamentally change the nature of Chinese society.

im not sure i follow you...

Lokos
02-22-2005, 11:18 AM
If there are more males than females, and a social preference for having male children, with a One Child policy in place China will be experiencing a MAJOR population implosion in the next thirty years or so, as excess males die off and a cycle of male excess is born - which could introduce a cascading effect.

It will be corrected, I'm sure of it, but not before there is a fundamental shift in the way Chinese see their own society, and the way they look at gender based worth.

Lokos

CG51
02-22-2005, 11:38 AM
i see..not to mention that with a shortage of women, that will be one aggressive army... ;)

Jin
02-22-2005, 11:48 AM
i see..not to mention that with a shortage of women, that will be one aggressive army... ;)

Japan is the **** capital of the world...
I guess the Chinese army will be targetting for that! haha :roll:

CG51
02-22-2005, 01:05 PM
or maybe for the technology and/or revenge for WWII... :P