View Full Version : 3rd Infantry Vs. Medina Division
FallenAngel
03-24-2003, 09:34 PM
US 3rd Infantry Division had initial contact with Medina Republican Guard Division today about 50 miles south of Baghdad...
any guess on what will happen and/or how long until the Iraqis are defeated?
IE- is this just a mere speed bump, or should we start diggin the trenches and hunker down for a hell of a fight?
Also, on a related note, I heard somewhere that Saddam has authorized Rep. Guard units to use the Chemical Weapons they say they don't have.
Merik
03-24-2003, 09:45 PM
I think what will happen is we will have to hunker down until the lazy ass Marines catch up to the 3rd ID.The Marines are really dragging thier asses.
I also think that if Saddam is alive then he will most defienatly give the order for chem weapons.
Dragging their asses? Dude the Marines were the first into Iraq and incase you hadnt noticed they are doing almost all of the fighting. The 3rd ID went pretty much totally unopposed through the open desert. How dare you say the Marines are dragging their asses, you should be bitch slapped for saying that. They are the ones who are having to fight through the towns and have met by far the most resistance. Do some research before you make another ignorant disrespectful statement about our fighting men.
Ratamacue
03-24-2003, 10:02 PM
I'm going to have to side with semper on this one. That was one of the most idiotic statements I've ever heard, Merik.
I think a good measure of this is the number of photos on here for each. For the Marines there's 84. For the Infantry divisions, 6. This is because there aren't any photos available for the 3rd and 7th ID's... this war so far is all on the Marines for the most part. As we get closer to Baghdad, I think the ID will be used more because of their big guns and vehicles, but taking the cities so far has been through the Marine spearhead.
Ratamacue
03-24-2003, 11:30 PM
What I'm wondering is whether they're really going to use a mostly green unit like the 3rd ID to take Baghdad, or whether they're going to move in the 101st ABN or wait for the Marines catch up to help before moving in.
I think unlike the rest of the cities that they bypassed, they're going to take Baghdad slowly. Right now they're pounding the Republican Guard repeatedly and I think they'll do that until they've been as wiped out as they can be from the air. That should give plenty of time for any necessary troops to get into position.
FAST*MARINE*
03-25-2003, 12:21 AM
Dragging asses, are you really that dumb? The army was cruising north with no enemy sight. Oh, but look now, they will hold up for 30+hours, maybe to wait for those MARINES, to help them out with the republican guard. Punk MO FO's love to hate the Marines!
warchild1/27scout
03-25-2003, 01:15 AM
i think franks has something up his sleeve.the gulf war2 version of the hail mary with the 101st.theres just some troops that are ar'nt in the mix yet and no one knows where they are.the ****s getting ready to hit the fan so sit back and relax and get ready for a show from the biggest,baddest fastest military on earth
Seraphim
03-25-2003, 01:18 AM
Ya, like wheres the 82nd Airborne? They havent mentioned anything about them.
jupupayan
03-25-2003, 05:48 AM
82nd airborne?? I think they're in Afganistan
TacoDelRio
03-25-2003, 01:56 PM
Do people realise that Marines are called "Marines" for a reason? HINT HINT: Marine environments, aka beach landings, port cities, ship boarding stuff, etc.
Dang kids!
Hooah!
Pvt Dacey
US Army
Cpl Stumps
03-25-2003, 02:48 PM
"Draggin Ass"
It shocks and amazes me that in this time of war there are people playing this B.S. rivalry between the services. In my opinion an attack on an Army Soldier is equal to an attack on a Marine. An attack on Airmen is an attack on a Marine. Get a clue buddy, the Army will soon be heavily engaged, and they will take casualties just like the Marines and I will never come on this site or say that the Army is doing anything wrong. All of them...Airforce, Army, Marine, Navy and Coast Guard are brave Americans and should be honored as such.
Semper Fi to:
On Tuesday, the Department of Defense identified all nine as having been stationed at Lejeune: Lance Cpl. Brian Rory Buesing, 20, Cedar Key, Fla.; Cpl. Randal Kent Rosacker, 21, San Diego, Calif.; Sgt. Michael E. Bitz, 31, Ventura, Calif.; Lance Cpl. David K. Fribley, 26, Lee, Fla.; Cpl. Jose A. Garibay, 21, Orange, Calif.; Cpl. Jorge A. Gonzalez, 20, Los Angeles; Staff Sgt. Phillip A. Jordan, 42, Brazoria, Texas; Lance Cpl. Thomas J. Slocum, age unknown, Adams, Colo.; and 2nd Lt. Frederick E. Pokorney Jr., 31, Nye, Nev.
May they rest in peace.
Cpl Stumps
Ratamacue
03-25-2003, 03:28 PM
No Skorotsnoy, they're called Marines because they're trained in amphibious invasion.
Merik
03-25-2003, 03:42 PM
Do people realise that Marines are called "Marines" for a reason? HINT HINT: Marine environments, aka beach landings, port cities, ship boarding stuff, etc.
Dang kids!
Hooah!
Pvt Dacey
US Army
THANK YOU DACEY!!!!!!!!!!!The Marines should not be "in country' like they are.They were never intended for that role.But look,all Im trying to say is that the Marines are focusing more on stopping somewhere and fight it out instead of advancing and leave mop up units behind to force down any resitance.Thats classic infantry operations.But the Marines are not a LAND FORCE UNIT.They are an assaulting force,not a inland force.
Thats what I meant about dragging thier asses.They need to keep going and leave units behind to put down the resistance.
Merik
03-25-2003, 03:46 PM
"Draggin Ass"
It shocks and amazes me that in this time of war there are people playing this B.S. rivalry between the services. In my opinion an attack on an Army Soldier is equal to an attack on a Marine. An attack on Airmen is an attack on a Marine. Get a clue buddy, the Army will soon be heavily engaged, and they will take casualties just like the Marines and I will never come on this site or say that the Army is doing anything wrong. All of them...Airforce, Army, Marine, Navy and Coast Guard are brave Americans and should be honored as such.
Semper Fi to:
On Tuesday, the Department of Defense identified all nine as having been stationed at Lejeune: Lance Cpl. Brian Rory Buesing, 20, Cedar Key, Fla.; Cpl. Randal Kent Rosacker, 21, San Diego, Calif.; Sgt. Michael E. Bitz, 31, Ventura, Calif.; Lance Cpl. David K. Fribley, 26, Lee, Fla.; Cpl. Jose A. Garibay, 21, Orange, Calif.; Cpl. Jorge A. Gonzalez, 20, Los Angeles; Staff Sgt. Phillip A. Jordan, 42, Brazoria, Texas; Lance Cpl. Thomas J. Slocum, age unknown, Adams, Colo.; and 2nd Lt. Frederick E. Pokorney Jr., 31, Nye, Nev.
May they rest in peace.
Cpl Stumps
Col.Stump,I am not questioning thier bravery or thier status as soldiers of this fine country of ours.They have split blood on the battlefield and for that they deserve every drop of gratitude we can give them.But the manner,or the role that they were used in that lost those lives should not have happened.I am not siding with any particular service branch,Im just saying they have used the Marines wrongly.Please dont mis-interpret this.
Ratamacue
03-25-2003, 04:04 PM
You are an utter idiot. I can't say it any clearer. I apologize for being aggressive, but what you said is just plain hilarious.
Basically, what you're saying, is that the Marines should not have fought as they did in the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, and Desert Storm? Right.
Marines are an elite infantry force, specially trained in everything a Ranger can do minus the airborne capability. They are in NO WAY unsuited for land combat, and are probably even more so than the majority of the 3rd Infantry Division. Since 1775 they were trained for land combat via amphibious invasion.
And in case you're interested, it's not the Marine Corps that's decided that the Marines are taking the cities in the south. It's General Franks. What else were we supposed to do, entirely skip over all the cities and go straight to Baghdad? It's dangerous enough that the 3rd ID and 7th Cav. have just rolled through, leaving all those cities behind them.
You need to think before you speak. I can't express how incredibly idiotic your above statements have been in this thread.
Vance
03-25-2003, 04:19 PM
Marines are an elite infantry force, specially trained in everything a Ranger can do minus the airborne capability.
Specially trained in everything a Ranger can do at a lower level, maybe....sorry. Rangers are better trained.
Vance we have had this discussion before. Nobody in the Army wants to admit it but the bottom line is the infantry Marines are just as capable as Rangers minus the airborne capability and maybe a few other very specific things as Ratamacue said. Rangers are SOF so they are supposed to have good training and abilities, but Marines are elite as well. Not to mention Rangers are no comparison with Force Reconaissance.
Merik, nobody can plan this war better than the people doing it now, so you can rest assured what they are doing is best for our goals. I seriously doubt you can critique or give advice to General Franks and his war strategy. The war hasnt even been going on for a WEEK and you act like we have been held up forever, they are moving at a generally quick rate. Marines are a great infantry unit and can fight on the ground just as good if not BETTER than the 3rd ID. Why do you think they sent the Marines in first? Why do you think they are the ones doing all the fighting in the heavily fortified areas and the Army is rolling across open desert? The Army will definately eventually see its share of the battle as soon as we reach Baghdad but I am just saying that the Marines can and will fight with high success on the land or sea, they always have and always will.
Merik
03-25-2003, 04:40 PM
I dont mean pretend that I know more than General Franks.Im not trying to say that at all.If I have and it HAS offended you guys then I apologize,that was not my intent.
Cpl Stumps
03-25-2003, 07:19 PM
Ok
I'm not going to slam anyone, but let's look at history. During WWI the Marines (clearly well away from any ocean) engaged the Germans at Bellau Woods. During this vicious fighting Marines were engaging Germans at extreme ranges with their rifles farther then the Germans could engage. It was during this battle that Marines were called Devil Dogs by the Germans.
WWII-Marines took part in the massive Island hopping campaign-standard role for an amphibous force.
After WWII Army questioned what the purpose of the Marines were for since the Army proved that it could also mount amphib ops (Normandy). So Marines decided that they must make themselves even more elite.
Korea-Marines conduct landing at Inchon, cut off NKPA. Then when China enters Chesty Puller leads the Marines (and any other Military stragglers they pick up) out. Facing a much more superior force (I believe it was 10 divisions to 1) the Marines withdrew with all their equipment, all the Army's equipment that they picked up along the way, as well as their dead and wounded.
Vietnam-Marines engaged in the taking of Hue city, clearly this wasn't an amphibous operation but again Marines did what they do best, Adapt, overcome and improvise.
Desert Storm-Army QR units like 82nd Airborned were dropped in to Saudi Desert as trip wire, but it wasn't until the Marines showed up with their pre positioned ships that a substantial force that could have engaged with armor was present and awaited the Army's heavy armor divisions.
The Marines are a force in readiness. The Marines don't take on tasks they can't handle because they can handle everything. Are they the Rangers? NO! Do the Rangers have faults? YES. As does every service.
Again those troops out their fighting from all services are the bravest there is. But lets face facts, when a 7.62mm round flys by your head your not going to go charge out there. What is the media going to say when HEAT rounds start flying past the 3rd Div or Chem rounds start impacting in their area?
I know that I won't be saying "Hey they need to get the lead out and take that darn Baghdad!" Because I'm not the one sitting there getting shot at!
Semper Fi
Cpl Stumps
Ichhabe
03-25-2003, 07:49 PM
On the issue of using the Marines in a wrong way. General Franks IS stupid. Everybody can see that. He only have 4 stars. Smartness doesnt kick in before your a 10 star General....
By what are you judging General Franks to be stupid? I actually think he seems to be an intelligent man and knows exactly what he is talking about. I dont know much about him but they dont make you the allied commander of all war operations for nothing dude. As I have said before, I doubt any of us have the place to critique his strategy, plus there is probably alot up his sleeve nobody knows about or expects thats gonna lead us to victory.
Ratamacue
03-25-2003, 07:59 PM
He was kidding, semper.
Thought he was just making fun of the general, hard to tell sarcasm online especially when Im used to being serious :cantbeli:
Ichhabe
03-25-2003, 11:31 PM
I would never ever ever ever make fun of General Franks.
I know the deal now I was just confused :D
rafaelcb
03-26-2003, 04:05 AM
I am not going to say who's 'better' since it is a stupid discussion like discussing whether and apple tastes 'better' than an orange. But I have seen at least 2 different amphibious vehicles completely destroyed in Irak. And I've heard these vehicles were made of aluminium. I still have not seen any Abrams destroyed.
So I think that the marines equipment is not appropiate for fighting a desert war in which anti-tank granades or missiles play an important role. Probably that's why they are being used to city-cleaning (BTW, much more dangerous than desert warfare)
Other question were are the Rangers fighting? Haven't heard anything of them.
Best Regards,
Rafael
Amphibious vehicles are always going to be weaker than regular vehicles simply so that they don't sink.
I heard that 2 abrams takes were 'neutralised' after getting stuck on the other side of the euphrates during a Republican guard attack.
which make it sound like they can fix it but not quickly...
Rafaelcb, the Marines also use the Abrams.
The Iraqis are now using a TOW missile or very similar variant mounted ontop of trucks, some of the missiles were captured by us already.
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