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budanski
03-24-2003, 10:05 PM
By JOHN MARKOFF and MARK LANDLER



Electronic Arts, the nation's largest maker of video games, says it is caught in the cross-fire between the German and United States governments over the Iraq war.

This month, the German government listed a new game produced by Electronic Arts on an index of games the government considers violent. Such games may not be advertised or displayed on shelves in Germany, although they may be kept under store counters and sold to adults.

The game, Command & Conquer Generals, depicts an animated siege of Baghdad, with the United States military battling a fictional terrorist group called the Global Liberation Army, which bombs the city with missiles carrying anthrax, killing civilians.

The director of the German federal bureau that reviews media products for the youth market said the game had been restricted because it glorified war.

"It portrays war as the only way to resolve conflicts," said the director, Elke Monssen-Engberding, whose agency is part of the Ministry for Family Affairs. "It generally advocates war, and it gives military force an aesthetic appeal."

But a spokesman for Electronic Arts said the company thought the German government was acting against the game because of the Baghdad element and the political dispute between the United States and Germany over invading Iraq. He said similar games that depict combat, but not blood and explicit violence, had not been restricted.

"Until now the games that are indexed are typically slasher games in which individuals fight and someone is killed and there is blood," said Jeff Brown, an Electronic Arts spokesman. "This is a military strategy game." He said the company began development of the game long before the possibility of war in Iraq was evident.

Ms. Monssen-Engberding said the war in Iraq had nothing to do with the decision. She said the bureau had restricted a few other games because they glorified war, but she acknowledged that the ban was more frequently used on books and magazines.

She said most of the restricted war games were American, but only because the United States produces the majority of such titles.

The bureau has placed about 370 computer game titles on its restricted list since 1984, about 20 a year. The majority of those are restricted because they show "especially brutal acts of violence," she said.

article (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/24/technology/24GAME.html?ex=1040360400&en=0af7158d1cc97ad9&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA)

Light Fighter
03-24-2003, 10:26 PM
So, how long until the Germans deem "Medal of Honor" and its related expansions to violent? I mean, you are killing Nazi's and there is no blood. Its just depicting actual historical events......

GearGod
03-24-2003, 10:55 PM
Can someone tell me how banning games will affect anything? Will kids/adults go crazy and start killing people on the streets? Or will they be all more patriotic and join their military? I dont know about you guys but I dont see anything wrong with "GLORIFYING WAR" I think war kicks @$$, every aspect of it EXCEPT THE DEATH.

I guess one could say that war is glorified in video games and airsoft- I say so what if its glorified? For me, the more I get into video games/airsoft, the more I want to join the US Army because in video games/airsoft, a standard of realism is always desperately trying to be a achieved.

cut
03-24-2003, 11:29 PM
So, how long until the Germans deem "Medal of Honor" and its related expansions to violent? I mean, you are killing Nazi's and there is no blood. Its just depicting actual historical events......

Politians can't critise israel in germany simply because of history

so I imagine that games such as medal of honor are affected

Ratamacue
03-24-2003, 11:31 PM
Adam, there are alot of things in war just as bad as death. Nothing about it is kickass.

Minjin
03-24-2003, 11:55 PM
There is a difference between a healthy respect for the military, and glorifying war. Some of us are mature enough to know the difference, and some of us are Adam.

Personally I play all sorts of war games and such, and I don't see the glory in war. I do see something worth studying, and which demands a high level of respect. Banning games will change nothing. Parenting needs to change if people are worried about their children.

GearGod
03-25-2003, 04:23 PM
"Nothing about it is kickass"

So you're saying that infantry/sf stuff isnt fun and/or kick@$$? Im sure they would tell you otherwise- I dont know about you but If I joined a unit such as 75th Ranger Regiment I would have the time of my life until the day that my friend(s) get injured/captured/killed or if that happens to me

Trigger
03-25-2003, 04:26 PM
...There he goes again :cantbeli:

Ratamacue
03-25-2003, 04:26 PM
That time of your life would be very short. People tend to die in war, even Rangers. Probably just the moment when you shot your first man would probably end that "time of your life."

Go ask one of the Marines at An Nasiriyah, Basra, or Umm Qsar whether they're having a grand old time. I mean, killing people MUST be fun!

Merik
03-25-2003, 04:35 PM
Medal Of Honor is affected by it.In fact the game is actually a "marked down" version of the type you can buy here in the States.Basically it is nowhere the same as the one here.

David
03-25-2003, 08:23 PM
I think war kicks @$$, every aspect of it EXCEPT THE DEATH.

that has to be one of the stupidest things adam has said so far. i don't know what you think the military does, but a soldiers main purpose in war is in fact to KILL the enemy and it's not impersonal like in video games. and i don't see any aspects of war that don't involve death.

StarvingStudent47
03-25-2003, 09:08 PM
When someone makes a cool, entertaining real-time strategy game about negotiating with other members on the UN Security Council, I'll play it. But for the moment, warfare is what strategy computer games are all about. C&C Generals shows warfare as the only solution...but so does Warcraft 3...so does Starcraft...so does Red Alert 2...for that matter, so do games in other genres, such as Doom, and Ghost Recon, and Tekken Tag Tournament, and Mechwarrior 4.

With the exception of role-playing games, sports games, and driving games, pretty much ALL computer games show violence as the only solution to problems.

The German government needs to get off their high horse here. Maybe a few hours with an X-Box would do them some good.

Apogee
03-25-2003, 09:49 PM
I dont see anything wrong with "GLORIFYING WAR" I think war kicks @$$, every aspect of it EXCEPT THE DEATH.

wow.... Obviously I've never been to war, or even in a combat zone, but there is nothing kick ass about war. Thats a very romantic and ignorant thing to say. 22 and 23 hour days are not really kick ass. Living in constant fear is not cool. Getting captured is not a good time. Do everyone a favor and keep your mouth shut on this one.

Merik
03-25-2003, 10:26 PM
War is death you moron.There is now way to avoid death and wage war at the same time.