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piesmatt
02-23-2005, 10:19 AM
Drugs and alcohol
Ecstasy trials for combat stress

David Adam, science correspondent
Thursday February 17, 2005
The Guardian

American soldiers traumatised by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are to be offered the drug ecstasy to help free them of flashbacks and recurring nightmares.

The US food and drug administration has given the go-ahead for the soldiers to be included in an experiment to see if MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstasy, can treat post-traumatic stress disorder.

Scientists behind the trial in South Carolina think the feelings of emotional closeness reported by those taking the drug could help the soldiers talk about their experiences to therapists. Several victims of rape and ****** abuse with post-traumatic stress disorder, for whom existing treatments are ineffective, have been given MDMA since the research began last year.

Michael Mithoefer, the psychiatrist leading the trial, said: "It's looking very promising. It's too early to draw any conclusions but in these treatment-resistant people so far the results are encouraging.

"People are able to connect more deeply on an emotional level with the fact they are safe now."

He is about to advertise for war veterans who fought in the last five years to join the study.

According to the US national centre for post-traumatic stress disorder, up to 30% of combat veterans suffer from the condition at some point in their lives.

Known as shell shock during the first world war and combat fatigue in the second, the condition is characterised by intrusive memories, panic attacks and the avoidance of situations which might force sufferers to relive their wartime experiences.

Dr Mithoefer said the MDMA helped people discuss traumatic situations without triggering anxiety.

"It appears to act as a catalyst to help people move through whatever's been blocking their success in therapy."

The existing drug-assisted therapy sessions last up to eight hours, during music is played. The patients swallow a capsule containing a placebo or 125mg of MDMA - about the same or a little more than a typical ecstasy tablet.

Psychologists assess the patients before and after the trial to judge whether the drug has helped.

The study has provoked controversy, because significant doubts remain about the long-term risks of ecstasy.

Animal studies suggest that it lowers levels of the brain chemical serotonin, and some politicians and anti-drug campaigners have argued that research into possible medical benefits of illegal drugs presents a falsely reassuring message.

The South Carolina study marks a resurgence of interest in the use of controlled psychedelic and hallucinogenic drugs. Several studies in the US are planned or are under way to investigate whether MDMA, LSD and psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, can treat conditions ranging from obsessive compulsive disorder to anxiety in terminal cancer patients.

http://society.guardian.co.uk/drugsandalcohol/story/0,8150,1416150,00.html

sp2c
02-23-2005, 10:21 AM
Hood's right, I'm a little child

hood
02-23-2005, 10:30 AM
I'm all for getting help for these people, but I'm on the side of doubt on this one. Although I haven't taken it myself, I've heard about and seen the bad side effects from E first hand and it would be difficult to say that it's worth it here.

von_Moo142
02-23-2005, 10:46 AM
I'm all for getting help for these people, but I'm on the side of doubt on this one. Although I haven't taken it myself, I've heard about and seen the bad side effects from E first hand and it would be difficult to say that it's worth it here.

I think that it's sensible to be somewhat sceptical here, as MDMA has not been shown to be especially useful in the past.

But it's worth noting that there is a world of difference between someone self medicating with a product that is not required to conform to any standards, and a proper medically supervised programme using a quality controlled and properly formulated drug.

Hellfish
02-23-2005, 11:00 AM
As someone who has taken MDMA, LSD and Psylocibyn, I honestly think that they can help. While I'm not saying I advocate the outright legalization, I think that in a controlled environment these drugs can be useful (well... maybe not LSD - it's too unpredictable).

Before I took any drugs, I always did thorough research and found out what was true, what was false and what to expect. While I was only a casual, recreational user (I discontinued any use several years ago) I am confident that these drugs are safe and can help people with this kind of emotional trauma if you know what you're doing (same as all drugs).

Geezah
02-23-2005, 11:27 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/Geezah/EverythingStarts_logoMedium.jpg

Seeing as I'm an old Raver from the early 90s but having never got loved up or dropped any acid, I think this is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Steve Andrews
02-23-2005, 11:54 AM
http://www.muppetstore.com/pics_big/25802.jpg

shrek
02-23-2005, 12:08 PM
This, I gotta see!

Geezah
02-23-2005, 12:13 PM
"Everything starts with an E" (http://www.everythingstartswithe.co.uk/)

Erik_MAA
02-23-2005, 12:18 PM
I think there are some misconceptions about how this is done....based on a news report I heard on the radio, I think some clarifications are in order:

1. This would be pharmacutical MDMA, not "street" Ex, which has god-knows-what in it;

2. The soldiers would not regularly dose MDMA, they would take it under controlled conditions and be monitored by a physician and a psychiatrist during the entire period of time the drug was affecting them.

Based on this, it sounds like a much more feasible concept.

PTSD is a very serious problem, I'm glad to see that the Army may actually be doing something about it.

usarfang
02-23-2005, 12:29 PM
i think they should give them some weed to smoke instead of taking ecstacy which have a long term effect which is digs holes in your brain.
if i were a general i'll give my soldiers weed to smoke to relax them and get them happy

American Patriot
02-23-2005, 12:44 PM
mdma toxicity only occurs at high doses I think

Hellfish
02-23-2005, 12:45 PM
mdma toxicity only occurs at high doses I think

Correct.

von_Moo142
02-23-2005, 12:59 PM
mdma toxicity only occurs at high doses I think

That would be acute toxicity. If you are thinking of deaths and serious injury caused by ecstacy then you're right: It's often the case that someone has taken too much*. I think everyone realises they need to stay properly hydrated now.

But MDMA also causes potentially serious problems due to chronic use, and these are dependant on dose and frequency of use. So users who take "sensible", controlled doses on a regular basis can suffer health effects too.

Plus, with a product that may contain relatively high levels impurities from the synthesis and whatever the tablet presser thought would be good to chuck into the formulation, both acute and chronic toxicity issues are not so easy to quantify.


* This is not so hard to do if you have bad information about the strength of your E.

ZoneOne
02-23-2005, 01:03 PM
i'd say be careful with this.

I have taken a ecstasy in my day and while it is fun it isn't good for you.

While I can't personally see any side effects I know for a fact I would have been better off if I never took it.

There has to be something else to treat PTSD
or just with very small amounts of MDMA

Geezah
02-23-2005, 01:06 PM
One thing I remember is if someone started having convulsions was to give them orange juice. Something about the acid in orange juice would bring them out of it, and I've seen it work.

TriggerPuller
02-23-2005, 01:14 PM
What good ol' Zoloft isnt good enough for PTSD?

TP

Hellfish
02-23-2005, 01:27 PM
While I can't personally see any side effects I know for a fact I would have been better off if I never took it.


I'd say the same thing about LSD. I know I've ****ed myself up on it... I know I overdid it and I don't think it was worth it as a good 25% of the trips I took were bad ones. Imagine being stuck in a tiny box for 8 hours with a lot of insects... that's what it was like sometimes.

USMC-Congbuster
02-23-2005, 01:48 PM
maybe beautiful blonde women that put out would do the trick? no?

Michael RVR
02-23-2005, 04:15 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it worked, there was some quite successful studies years ago involving rape victims and that kind of thing.

woot

hughdotoh
02-24-2005, 12:49 AM
USMC-Congbuster Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject:

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maybe beautiful blonde women that put out would do the trick? no?


rofl woot rofl