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breaking news from cnn..
casualties reported.
Well there goes the one only chance of peace in the holy land; if it is a suicide bomber the one last chance for peace just went out the window.
Anyone have more info on this ?
JERUSALEM - An explosion rocked the Tel Aviv beachfront late Friday, wounding at least 20 people, Israeli media reported. The cause of the blast wasn't immediately known.
The explosion occurred near a pedestrian walkway popular with tourists, Channel 2 TV reported. Citing police, it said at least 20 people were wounded.
Israel and the Palestinians declared a cease-fire earlier this month meant to end more than four years of fighting. During the violence, Tel Aviv was a frequent target of Palestinian suicide bombers.
GrimReaper
02-25-2005, 05:06 PM
At least thirty wounded, also several dead after an explosion near the entrance to the "Stage" club on the Tel-Aviv beachfront.
At least 3 people died in the explosion.
A hunt for a second suspect that escaped is on.
The islamic jihad is has taken responsibillity for the action.
Abolith
02-25-2005, 05:34 PM
great.....so much for peace.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4299609.stm
Lurch
02-25-2005, 06:10 PM
well it lasted longer than I thought it would...here we go again :cantbeli:
Sayeret
02-25-2005, 06:23 PM
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1109301662303
RIP, I hope the wounded heal up fast.
Islamic Jihad and Fateh denied that they are behind the attack unlike what reutors claimed.
chomstein
02-25-2005, 06:37 PM
well it lasted longer than I thought it would...here we go again :cantbeli:
I don't get the whole "here we go again" stuff. Or the "cycle of violence" comments. I can't help but wonder if natives (due to land grievances) started blowing up busses in Ottawa, or Mexicans (due to poor working conditions and/or racism) in Manhattan, how our armies would respond? How would we respond? Would we merely respond with a shrug of our shoulders and say: "Oh damn, here we go again. Such violence on both sides, tsk tsk".
Nah, we'd probably say: "F'ing terrorist scum, our governments should take all measures necessary to allow people to shop, eat out, cross streets, without worrying if they're going to come home without their limbs.
Nah, it ain't "here we again". It's F'ing Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. And that's the regular folks. And for those that support Hamas/Islamic Jihad...I say...
BURN IN HELL.
BlackRain
02-25-2005, 06:40 PM
That's what happens when you open up border checkpoints again, give land back, destroy your settlements, and expose your neck to the enemy.
The enemy will always take advantage.
I hope this does not start another death spiral of violence.
Cambridge Rabbit
02-25-2005, 06:50 PM
R.I.P.
What a ****ty little world we live in ...
Bootneck
02-25-2005, 06:56 PM
Or maybe we just have some ****ty people living in our world...
R.I.P.
What a ****ty little world we live in ...
GrantT
02-25-2005, 06:57 PM
Supposedly one of the militants group said Hezbollah were involved.
SeanAshi
02-25-2005, 06:57 PM
It's a mistake to allow those terrorist to re-group and re-arm and thats what they've been doing.
usm2b
02-25-2005, 06:58 PM
RIP to the innocents hurt in this tragic event.
Why is it so gawdam easy for 1 person to change the world now? As sad as this is, I really hop the Isrealis step up and show exactly how much they want this peace. If they don't retaliate persay maybe the Palastinian people will be willing to do a little neighborhood cleanup.
BlackRain
02-25-2005, 06:58 PM
Supposedly one of the militants group said Hezbollah were involved.
Can't be.
They are not a 'terrorist organization' according to Chirac.
usm2b
02-25-2005, 06:59 PM
well it lasted longer than I thought it would...here we go again :cantbeli:
I don't get the whole "here we go again" stuff. Or the "cycle of violence" comments. I can't help but wonder if natives (due to land grievances) started blowing up busses in Ottawa, or Mexicans (due to poor working conditions and/or racism) in Manhattan, how our armies would respond? How would we respond? Would we merely respond with a shrug of our shoulders and say: "Oh damn, here we go again. Such violence on both sides, tsk tsk".
Nah, we'd probably say: "F'ing terrorist scum, our governments should take all measures necessary to allow people to shop, eat out, cross streets, without worrying if they're going to come home without their limbs.
Nah, it ain't "here we again". It's F'ing Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. And that's the regular folks. And for those that support Hamas/Islamic Jihad...I say...
BURN IN HELL.
Its people like you that fuel the "cycle of violence". So, to you I say, "here we go again"
Edit - although I do share in your views of the people that support hamas/islamid jihadists should be stopped and indeed burn in hell
Moledet
02-25-2005, 07:04 PM
Islamic Jihad and Fateh denied that they are behind the attack unlike what reutors claimed.
That doesn't mean that it's not a lie.
Islamic Jihad and Fateh denied that they are behind the attack unlike what reutors claimed.
That doesn't mean that it's not a lie.
why would they lie? They always say when they do it, and release the tape of whoever carried out the attack.
Even hamas condemned this attack. This is a blow the palestinians, because they did want he IDF to pull out of gaza. Why wouldnt they? Why would an anonymous person call reutors and say its fateh, and then another calls the french agency and says its islamic jihad?
RavenW
02-25-2005, 07:30 PM
some leftist commentators are real pigs...
The bodies of innocent Jewish victims are still warm, and they already talk that it would be Israel that will indanger the peace process by retaliating... can you imagine?
like what happened 30 minutes ago did not "indanger" peace process, since it was murder of Jews...
no words to describe...
PA can go f*k themselves... pigs... real pigs...
RavenW
02-25-2005, 07:43 PM
western journalists usually shy away to show the actual victims of terror attacks in Israel... I mean if it would be like a Palestinian than the pictures would be all across the globe, but Jews... who would really care to show them except Jews themselves?
here are some to refresh Europe's memory
http://www.mignews.com/news/photo/world/260205_21013_19133.html
this youth just went to friday night clubbing...
Moledet
02-25-2005, 07:52 PM
Islamic Jihad and Fateh denied that they are behind the attack unlike what reutors claimed.
That doesn't mean that it's not a lie.
why would they lie? They always say when they do it, and release the tape of whoever carried out the attack.
Even hamas condemned this attack. This is a blow the palestinians, because they did want he IDF to pull out of gaza. Why wouldnt they? Why would an anonymous person call reutors and say its fateh, and then another calls the french agency and says its islamic jihad?
Because the one who did it will get itself less popular among the Palestinians, the Egyptians and the PA.
GrimmyRX
02-25-2005, 08:14 PM
Islamic Jihad and Fateh denied that they are behind the attack unlike what reutors claimed.
That doesn't mean that it's not a lie.
why would they lie? They always say when they do it, and release the tape of whoever carried out the attack.
Even hamas condemned this attack. This is a blow the palestinians, because they did want he IDF to pull out of gaza. Why wouldnt they? Why would an anonymous person call reutors and say its fateh, and then another calls the french agency and says its islamic jihad?
Because the one who did it will get itself less popular among the Palestinians, the Egyptians and the PA.
So why would they do it?
"Ya! Lets make a statement to the world and Isreal! Except that we won't actually say that we did it, so only WE will know it's a statment to Isreal... and we can't let it leak out or else we'll get beaten down like dogs by other Pally groups. Hmm... Maybe it wasn't such a good idea?"
Yea, some T's are dumb, but most arn't THAT dumb.
jedisponge
02-25-2005, 08:18 PM
Islamic Jihad and Fateh denied that they are behind the attack unlike what reutors claimed.
That doesn't mean that it's not a lie.
why would they lie? They always say when they do it, and release the tape of whoever carried out the attack.
Even hamas condemned this attack. This is a blow the palestinians, because they did want he IDF to pull out of gaza. Why wouldnt they? Why would an anonymous person call reutors and say its fateh, and then another calls the french agency and says its islamic jihad?
Because the one who did it will get itself less popular among the Palestinians, the Egyptians and the PA.
So why would they do it?
"Ya! Lets make a statement to the world and Isreal! Except that we won't actually say that we did it, so only WE will know it's a statment to Isreal... and we can't let it leak out or else we'll get beaten down like dogs by other Pally groups. Hmm... Maybe it wasn't such a good idea?"
Yea, some T's are dumb, but most arn't THAT dumb.
can you speak for them?
Moledet
02-25-2005, 08:32 PM
Islamic Jihad and Fateh denied that they are behind the attack unlike what reutors claimed.
That doesn't mean that it's not a lie.
why would they lie? They always say when they do it, and release the tape of whoever carried out the attack.
Even hamas condemned this attack. This is a blow the palestinians, because they did want he IDF to pull out of gaza. Why wouldnt they? Why would an anonymous person call reutors and say its fateh, and then another calls the french agency and says its islamic jihad?
Because the one who did it will get itself less popular among the Palestinians, the Egyptians and the PA.
So why would they do it?
"Ya! Lets make a statement to the world and Isreal! Except that we won't actually say that we did it, so only WE will know it's a statment to Isreal... and we can't let it leak out or else we'll get beaten down like dogs by other Pally groups. Hmm... Maybe it wasn't such a good idea?"
Yea, some T's are dumb, but most arn't THAT dumb.
It's not a statement, it's just another mass murder carried out by them.
shadower
02-25-2005, 10:13 PM
I don't trust no one those days but why atack civilians go and blow your selfe in front of military.I bet you won't get even close to them.Strange guy their Allah to let them in Paradise for killing helples people.
usa320
02-25-2005, 10:26 PM
The new palestinian authority is now in the limelight. This is their time to shine. Either they need to take the lead and show they truly are devoted to peace in the middle east by cracking down hard on ALL extremist groups, or they need to pay the price. Their response to this will either make them, or break them.
If it is Hezbollah, i hope Israel bombs the hell outta Hezbollah bases in Syria and Hezbollah supply lines in Iran.
You know, in the War on Terror, the US has distanced itself from Israel in fear of the political reprecussions. I think that was the dumbest thing we ever should have done. I think we should have made Israel one of our closest allies. They have been dealing with counter terrorism for decades, and their intelligence networks in the region are far more extensive than our own.
If we do take military action against Iran at some point in the future, i would definately expect the IAF to be flying sorties along side the USAF.
SeanAshi
02-25-2005, 10:36 PM
The IDF has been thwarting attacks on a daily basis haven't they? I'm curious to know...will the Palestinian security forces ever use force against terrorist groups?
RavenW
02-26-2005, 05:30 AM
The IDF has been thwarting attacks on a daily basis haven't they? I'm curious to know...will the Palestinian security forces ever use force against terrorist groups?
How could they use their security forces against terrorist if half of those forces terrorists anyway?
and Israel doesn't help the peace process either releasing the terrorists from jail.
Those evil-doers should be destroyed - not to be negotiate with. Just like Hitler and Goebels.
samjung23
02-26-2005, 05:37 AM
I'm starting to think Israel should be relocated...somewhere around Asia or Africa...this crap is never going to end.
RIP to all the dead.
RavenW
02-26-2005, 06:06 AM
I'm starting to think Israel should be relocated...somewhere around Asia or Africa...this crap is never going to end.
That's what I am talking about - morons among our midst that make such statements.
Damn, sometimes it just a question of intelligence on this planet...
Moledet
02-26-2005, 08:23 AM
The IDF has been thwarting attacks on a daily basis haven't they? I'm curious to know...will the Palestinian security forces ever use force against terrorist groups?
The IDF stopped 10 suicide bombers in their tracks since the "truce" started.
Zander
02-26-2005, 08:57 AM
I'm starting to think Israel should be relocated...somewhere around Asia or Africa...this crap is never going to end.
RIP to all the dead.
you are right, it will never end.
Zander
02-26-2005, 08:58 AM
imo hezbollah or some extremist jews did it.
promillo
02-26-2005, 09:01 AM
imo hezbollah or some extremist jews did it.
WTF?
You are sick! :bash:
Lurch
02-26-2005, 09:05 AM
I don't get the whole "here we go again" stuff..
:cantbeli:
what don't you get. Israel has been making concessions...moving settlers and allowing more freedom for the Palistinians. To the point where Israeli politicians are being threatened with assassination.
As a thank you, their kindness is returned with murder.
imo hezbollah or some extremist jews did it.
Unlike the Arabs/Muslims, we don't have a history of bombing each other.
Palestinians See Hizbollah Behind Israel Attack
By Mohammed Assadi
RAMALLAH, West Bank (*******) - Palestinian forces, under pressure for tough action after a suicide bombing killed four Israelis, arrested at least three Palestinians on Saturday but suggested Lebanon's Hizbollah group was behind the attack.
Friday's bombing at a Tel Aviv nightclub dealt a blow to growing peace hopes since President Mahmoud Abbas agreed a ceasefire with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon at a groundbreaking Feb. 8 summit.
Israel said the bombing showed Abbas was wrong if he thought he could coax militants into a formal ceasefire from their current de facto truce and demanded vigorous action. But officials said the Jewish state would show restraint for now.
"We will not tolerate this act," Abbas told reporters as he met security chiefs to talks strategy. "We will not allow anyone to sabotage the goals and ambitions of our people ... We will bring them to justice."
Abbas blamed an unnamed "third party" for involvement in the attack. A senior Palestinian security official involved in the investigation said inquiries indicated Hizbollah's hand.
"All the information that we have until now from interrogations shows that Hizbollah is involved in the operation," the official said.
In Beirut, Hizbollah denied any role and called the accusations a provocation by "the Zionist entity" (Israel).
Both Israel and the Palestinians have recently accused the Iranian-backed group of trying to sabotage peace efforts, though political commentators say the Palestinians could benefit from shifting the blame away from home.
A cell of the militant Islamic Jihad group in the West Bank claimed the attack, but the faction's leadership in the Gaza Strip denied any knowledge and said it would continue to maintain calm. Other mainstream groups also denied any role.
Security officials gave the names of three men arrested at the presumed bomber's village of Deir al-Ghoson -- the first suspected militants held since Abbas succeeded late President Yasser Arafat in January.
Israeli troops arrested five others in a raid on the West Bank village, including two brothers of the suspected bomber.
BLOODY SCENE
The images of ambulances rushing to the popular karaoke club and the blood-stained pavement shook many Israelis, who had begun to believe they had put such scenes behind them. The last such bombing killed three people in Tel Aviv on Nov. 1.
Israeli officials demanded Palestinian action instead of more talks to woo armed groups.
"Words are not enough. We must see action," said Gideon Meir of Israel's Foreign Ministry. "We must see arrests, collecting illegal weapons from those terrorist organizations ... The only language they understand is force."
A 25-nation conference in London this week is due to look at ways to help Palestinians improve security forces and build Israeli confidence in their ability to prevent attacks.
The family in Deir al-Ghoson announced through loudspeakers that Abdullah Shelbayeh "had carried out a martyrdom operation." But there was little sign of the celebration that has often followed bombings.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice demanded that Palestinian leaders find those responsible and "send a clear message that terror will not be tolerated."
Washington has stepped up efforts to revive the peace process after Abbas was elected to succeed late President Yasser Arafat, whom Israel and the United States saw as an obstacle.
Palestinian militant factions have said they are still not satisfied with Israeli gestures meant to build confidence -- such as the release of 500 out of 8,000 prisoners and an end to army raids and assassinations.
They also want a more sweeping Israeli pullback from Gaza and parts of the West Bank, which is slated to begin on July 20.
Hizbollah attacks helped force an end to Israel's occupation of southern Lebanon in 2000 and its fighters, still dominant in the border zone, are seen as heroes by many Palestinians.
(Additional reporting by Lee Marzel in Tel Aviv, Lucy Fielder in Beirut, Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza, Corinne Heller, Jeffrey Heller and Ori Lewis in Jerusalem)
http://olympics.*******.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=7747303&pageNumber=0
Sayeret
02-26-2005, 10:36 AM
imo hezbollah or some extremist jews did it.
I'm starting to wonder if your here just to piss people off.
promillo
02-26-2005, 10:41 AM
imo hezbollah or some extremist jews did it.
Unlike the Arabs/Muslims, we don't have a history of bombing each other.
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Well, for some kind of people, jews are to blame for EVERYTHING.
No matter if its the Shoa, the Hamas, or even if they get stinky feet...they blame the jews. Noone else. :(
[quote=Zander]imo hezbollah or some extremist jews did it.
Unlike the Arabs/Muslims, we don't have a history of bombing each other.
[quote]Palestinians See Hizbollah Behind Israel Attack
Are you sure about that ? Jews were on of the first ones to use "terrorist" tactics to remove the british from Israel/ Palestine . I remember them bombing a british base with a milk truck loaded with explosives... I think that was in the 1940s or something... I forgot exactly..
promillo
02-26-2005, 01:10 PM
Are you sure about that ? Jews were on of the first ones to use "terrorist" tactics to remove the british from Israel/ Palestine . I remember them bombing a british base with a milk truck loaded with explosives... I think that was in the 1940s or something... I forgot exactly..
Do you think there is a difference between fighting with improvised weapons against a military enemy, trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible, like the jews did and to slaughter innocent civilians in a cowardly and barbaric manner like the arabic terrorists do?
Are you sure about that ? Jews were on of the first ones to use "terrorist" tactics to remove the british from Israel/ Palestine . I remember them bombing a british base with a milk truck loaded with explosives... I think that was in the 1940s or something... I forgot exactly..
That's called guerilla warfare...
Anyway, I wasn't referring to the use of terrorism but rather the assumption that in this case Israeli Jews used terrorism against their own countrymen.
Has there been any such case in the past?
I can provide loads of examples of Muslims using terrorism against each other (especially in Iraq).
Mr Gently Benevolent
02-26-2005, 01:49 PM
Anyway, I wasn't referring to the use of terrorism but rather the assumption that in this case Israeli Jews used terrorism against their own countrymen.
Has there been any such case in the past?Yitzhak Rabin maybe.
As Binyamin Kahane said after the killing: “a person could understand Amir.” Of course the vermin Kahane has been taken care of but others like him will spring up and ferment Israeli against Israeli terror the seed is there it just needs nourished.
Mr. Nielsen
02-26-2005, 01:53 PM
Are you sure about that ? Jews were on of the first ones to use "terrorist" tactics to remove the british from Israel/ Palestine . I remember them bombing a british base with a milk truck loaded with explosives... I think that was in the 1940s or something... I forgot exactly..
Do you think there is a difference between fighting with improvised weapons against a military enemy, trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible, like the jews did and to slaughter innocent civilians in a cowardly and barbaric manner like the arabic terrorists do?
Apart from attacking british military personel, jewish terrorists also frequently murdered arab civilians, planting bombs etc. And i'm talking about pre-1948, not about the massacres during the 1948 etnic cleansing of the palestinians.
Mr. Nielsen
02-26-2005, 02:07 PM
imo hezbollah or some extremist jews did it.
It sounds a bit fishy, all this about hezbollah being responsible (more likely a small splinter group, of some other palestinian group, is responsible).
And so far jewish terrorists have targetted israelis they considered to be "traitors" (like Rabin) or palestinian civilians (like Baruch Goldstein did), not arbitrary israeli civilians. But of course these people are lunatics by western standards, so perhaps they would believe it's OK to kill a few israelis to save the rest, by preventing dangerous negotiations? But so far there nothing to support that theory.
Yitzhak Rabin maybe.
I was waiting for someone to bring that up. ;)
Is a political murder the same as a terrorist bombing (indiscriminate murder)?
Of course the vermin Kahane has been taken care of but others like him will spring up and ferment Israeli against Israeli terror the seed is there it just needs nourished.
As much as I believe Kahane was a fanatic, he didn't believe in the indiscriminate murder of fellow Jews.
He did believe in the murder of political figures who went against his ideology.
but others like him will spring up and ferment Israeli against Israeli terror the seed is there it just needs nourished.
The Shabak does its best to take care of such seeds ever since the murder of late PM Rabin...
Mr. Nielsen
02-26-2005, 02:16 PM
Yitzhak Rabin maybe.
I was waiting for someone to bring that up. ;)
Is a political murder the same as a terrorist bombing (indiscriminate murder)?
Of course the vermin Kahane has been taken care of but others like him will spring up and ferment Israeli against Israeli terror the seed is there it just needs nourished.
As much as I believe Kahane was a fanatic, he didn't believe in the indiscriminate murder of fellow Jews.
He did believe in the murder of political figures who went against his ideology.
It all depends on how you define terrrorism. Many definitions of terror talk about the target being a non-combatant or a civilian, with a political purpose to the act.
A palestinian might have killed him as the head of the opposing force etc... but how about a fellow countryman. So what is the assasination of Rabin called in israel? Just a political murder, sounds a bit tame.
Mr Gently Benevolent
02-26-2005, 02:17 PM
The Shabak does its best to take care of such seeds ever since the murder of late PM Rabin...I believe the Shabak may have its hands full when more of the crazy beardies come from the US and elsewhere to make their way up to the land. A question for you S'13, why do so many of the extreme men with the big beards come from the USA?
Apart from attacking british military personel, jewish terrorists also frequently murdered arab civilians, planting bombs etc.
This depends what groups you speak of, LEHI (Stern gang) was without a doubt a terrorist group.
And i'm talking about pre-1948, not about the massacres during the 1948 etnic cleansing of the palestinians.
During 1948 there was a war, and the Palestinians were on the losing side.
So of course many civilians got killed or became refugees.
A lot of those counted as dead civilians were actually combatants.
The most well known "massacre", Deir Yassin, is today recognized as battle that had many civilian casualties.
I'm not saying that war crimes weren't commited, but the extent was much smaller than you have been made to believe.
If there really was "etnic cleansing", why does Israel have over one million Arab citizens?
I believe the Shabak may have its hands full when more of the crazy beardies come from the US and elsewhere to make their way up to the land.
So far it has been doing well.
A question for you S'13, why do so many of the extreme men with the big beards come from the USA?
Maybe because the U.S has the largest Jewish population outside Israel? ;)
Yitzhak Rabin maybe.
I was waiting for someone to bring that up. ;)
Is a political murder the same as a terrorist bombing (indiscriminate murder)?
Of course the vermin Kahane has been taken care of but others like him will spring up and ferment Israeli against Israeli terror the seed is there it just needs nourished.
As much as I believe Kahane was a fanatic, he didn't believe in the indiscriminate murder of fellow Jews.
He did believe in the murder of political figures who went against his ideology.
It all depends on how you define terrrorism. Many definitions of terror talk about the target being a non-combatant or a civilian, with a political purpose to the act.
A palestinian might have killed him as the head of the opposing force etc... but how about a fellow countryman. So what is the assasination of Rabin called in israel? Just a political murder, sounds a bit tame.
I never said that it wasn't a terrorist act, but as you yourslef pointed out, it isn't the same as indiscriminate murder.
Mr Gently Benevolent
02-26-2005, 02:29 PM
Maybe because the U.S has the largest Jewish population outside Israel? ;) Oh yeah I new that but there seems to be a huge amount of this kind going up to the land as of late. :)
GrimReaper
02-26-2005, 03:31 PM
Anyway, I wasn't referring to the use of terrorism but rather the assumption that in this case Israeli Jews used terrorism against their own countrymen.
Has there been any such case in the past?Yitzhak Rabin maybe.
As Binyamin Kahane said after the killing: “a person could understand Amir.” Of course the vermin Kahane has been taken care of but others like him will spring up and ferment Israeli against Israeli terror the seed is there it just needs nourished. The "Vermin" has been taken care of?
Binyamin Kahana was murdered along with his wife by paelstinian "security forces" terrorists. His five daughters were also wounded. Vermin? the only vermin is someone who rejoices from this event.
ronin2172
02-26-2005, 05:24 PM
Are you sure about that ? Jews were on of the first ones to use "terrorist" tactics to remove the british from Israel/ Palestine . I remember them bombing a british base with a milk truck loaded with explosives... I think that was in the 1940s or something... I forgot exactly..
Do you think there is a difference between fighting with improvised weapons against a military enemy, trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible, like the jews did and to slaughter innocent civilians in a cowardly and barbaric manner like the arabic terrorists do?
Apart from attacking british military personel, jewish terrorists also frequently murdered arab civilians, planting bombs etc. And i'm talking about pre-1948, not about the massacres during the 1948 etnic cleansing of the palestinians.
holy crap why is the ONLY time I ever see you post is when u see a chance to say how evil israel is?
There was no 1948 ethnic cleansing of palestenians you troll...do some real research and you will see that. One incident happened, the israelis stopped it, then the arabs blew it all out of proportion, thinking it would cause the masses to rise up and fight...it did the opposite, it scared the arab population into running away. I saw an interview with one of the surviviors and he stated that the incident wasn't as bad as people reported.
Mr Gently Benevolent
02-26-2005, 06:43 PM
Binyamin Kahana was murdered along with his wife by paelstinian "security forces" terrorists. His five daughters were also wounded. Vermin? the only vermin is someone who rejoices from this event.I prefer the word executed yes its a shame his daughters were caught in the ambush but Palistinain civies are also caught up in the IDF's justified pursuit of terrorists. Me personally I would rather have seen Kahane bound hand and foot, read a quick death sentence and then strangled like a runaway slave.
Binyamin Kahana was murdered along with his wife by paelstinian "security forces" terrorists. His five daughters were also wounded. Vermin? the only vermin is someone who rejoices from this event.I prefer the word executed yes its a shame his daughters were caught in the ambush but Palistinain civies are also caught up in the IDF's justified pursuit of terrorists. Me personally I would rather have seen Kahane bound hand and foot, read a quick death sentence and then strangled like a runaway slave.
Kahane was an inciter, there's nothing to show that he took part in actual terrorist operations. If Israel was to target anyone spreading incitment, we would have plenty of people from the British media and PM's on our list, I can tell you that... ;)
As for your belief that Kahane was targeted and his family was caught in the crossfire... Bull****.
Plenty of civilians were murderd by Palestinian terrorists the very same way. He and his family just happend to be among their victims.
Mr Gently Benevolent
02-26-2005, 07:03 PM
Kahane was an inciter, there's nothing to show that he took part in actual terrorist operations. And is the inciter of terrorist acts not just as guilty as the terrorist himself.
Sayeret
02-26-2005, 07:07 PM
Binyamin Kahana was murdered along with his wife by paelstinian "security forces" terrorists. His five daughters were also wounded. Vermin? the only vermin is someone who rejoices from this event.I prefer the word executed yes its a shame his daughters were caught in the ambush but Palistinain civies are also caught up in the IDF's justified pursuit of terrorists. Me personally I would rather have seen Kahane bound hand and foot, read a quick death sentence and then strangled like a runaway slave.
I doubt the Palestinians who killed him and his wife had no qualms with killing his wife and wounding his children.
Mr Gently Benevolent
02-26-2005, 07:24 PM
I doubt the Palestinians who killed him and his wife had no qualms with killing his wife and wounding his children.Yes very true it was a messy and brutal ambush although a very necessary one, as I have said before I would rather it had been done another way. The killing of pops Kahane was better planned and at a fitting moment he was lecturing at an emergency Z.E.E.R.O. conference calling for the mass Aliyah of American Jewry. What now spoils the killing of pops Kahane is the fact that Nosair was probably one of the early Al-Q operatives in the US.
GrimReaper
02-26-2005, 07:31 PM
Khana was tried and judged by all levels of Israel judicial system and found, alternately Innocent and guilty on a small criminal charge of incitement with less then one year of jail. Jail time which the courts decided he doesn't have to serve due to the time of the process.
The charge was BTW incitement to promote strife between citizens and not to promote terror,completely different then terrorism charges and the final judgment was disputed even among the member of the court.
Yet you, the high and mighty Judge , decided he must die like a "runaway-slave" which makes you a terror sympathizer on the level you are trying to claim Kahana was (and was not,legaly) and thus by your own account suitable for the death you wished him to have.
I think the only vermin in this thread is evident now.
Seeing your lateset post, I see I was too delicate, you really are terrorist supporting scum.
Mr. Nielsen
02-26-2005, 07:43 PM
If there really was "etnic cleansing", why does Israel have over one million Arab citizens?
750.000 palestinians were etnicly cleansed from the area, israelis took control over. 150.000 were not displaced or were only displaced within the territory controlled by israel. Those 150.000 have since then turned into this million because of high birth rates.
So why haven't they been kicked out since? I believe Ben Gurion said that such things can only happen in revolutionary times. That is during great tumoil such as in 1948. Afterwards israel had to look nice, as it was very much dependent on the goodwill and economic aid from the western world.
And of course many israelis did indeed want Israel to, not just look nice, but in fact be a country which doesn't do such things. But I wouldn't be surprised, if you could find one or two, who deeply regrettes that the job wasn't finished then and those last 150.000 transfered out also.
Mr Gently Benevolent
02-26-2005, 07:57 PM
Yet you, the high and mighty Judge , decided he must die like a "runaway-slave" which makes you a terror sympathizer on the level you are trying to claim Kahana was (and was not,legaly) and thus by your own account suitable for the death you wished him to have.
I think the only vermin in this thread is evident now.At some point there must have been a committee who decreed that Kahane Jnr should face death I really do not think that the killing was a random terrorist act consider it more of a targeted killing. As for the targeted killing of pops Kahane it was only a matter of time before someone did it whether it was in the US or Israel
In April, 1982, JDL member Allan Goodman opened fire with a machine gun at a Muslim house of worship in Jerusalem, killing two Palestinian Arabs: an elderly man and a 20-year-old youth. After entering the mosque, he continued firing, critically wounding several people. Goodman, from Baltimore, Maryland, had received paramilitary training at the JDL's Camp Jedel in New York state.
Kahane Snr said of the crime,""There was nothing wrong with what he did...the act was perfectly correct" From the Washington Post, April 12, 1982.
GrimReaper
02-26-2005, 08:19 PM
In April, 1982, JDL member Allan Goodman opened fire with a machine gun at a Muslim house of worship in Jerusalem, killing two Palestinian Arabs: an elderly man and a 20-year-old youth. After entering the mosque, he continued firing, critically wounding several people. Goodman, from Baltimore, Maryland, had received paramilitary training at the JDL's Camp Jedel in New York state.
Kahane Snr said of the crime,""There was nothing wrong with what he did...the act was perfectly correct" From the Washington Post, April 12, 1982.
Very logical reference... And how does it concern the murder of Binyamin and Talya Kahana? I guess only terrorist scum see the connection.
Cambridge Rabbit
02-27-2005, 12:18 AM
Maybe because the U.S has the largest Jewish population outside Israel? ;)
Actually, the Jewish community in the United States is still the largest in the world.
Mr Gently Benevolent
02-27-2005, 05:33 AM
I guess only terrorist scum see the connection.Yes yes the same Binyamin who wrote "The Cultural War" for the memorial book for Baruch Goldstein.
If there really was "etnic cleansing", why does Israel have over one million Arab citizens?
750.000 palestinians were etnicly cleansed from the area, israelis took control over. 150.000 were not displaced or were only displaced within the territory controlled by israel. Those 150.000 have since then turned into this million because of high birth rates.
So why haven't they been kicked out since? I believe Ben Gurion said that such things can only happen in revolutionary times. That is during great tumoil such as in 1948. Afterwards israel had to look nice, as it was very much dependent on the goodwill and economic aid from the western world.
In 1949, Israel offered to admit 100,000 Arab refugees, with the understanding that their repatriation would be linked to meaningful peace negotiations. Although 35,000 Arabs eventually returned under a family reunification plan, further implementation of the offer was suspended in the 1950's, after it became clear that the Arab states steadfastly refused to consider Israel's peace overtures, preferring instead to maintain a state of war with and economic boycott against Israel. In contrast, as a gesture of goodwill, Israel unilaterally released the frozen bank accounts and safe deposits of Arab refugees.
Does this sound like something a country carrying out "ethnic cleansing" would do?
If Israel wanted to get rid of its Arab population after the war, it could have done so.
RavenW
02-27-2005, 08:57 AM
750.000 palestinians were etnicly cleansed from the area,
blunt lie
for truth read the book of acclaimed historian, professor of Near East Studies, Dr. Sachar, "History of Israel"
P.S. Personally, I am not planning to answer every damn blunt lie posted by morons on this Internet forum, but for those who are interested in real historical research instead of vicious anti-semitic propaganda I have listed the source. Read it. Know it. Learn it.
GrimReaper
02-27-2005, 09:35 AM
I guess only terrorist scum see the connection.Yes yes the same Binyamin who wrote "The Cultural War" for the memorial book for Baruch Goldstein.
Don't deny it, look inside yourself, you're a murderous,terrorist sympathizer, scum. No different the terrorist scum who declared Fatwas on Salman Rushdie... Kill people because they write and belive in things you don't agree with.
oldsoak
02-27-2005, 10:02 AM
RIP to the dead and a speedy full recovery to the wounded.
Mr Gently Benevolent
02-27-2005, 11:58 AM
Don't deny it, look inside yourself, you're a murderous,terrorist sympathizer, scum. No different the terrorist scum who declared Fatwas on Salman Rushdie... Kill people because they write and belive in things you don't agree with. An accusation I find strange coming from someone who has spent the last couple of posts defending Benyamin Kahane who was the physical embodiment of the Kahane Chai / Kach. http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/kach.htm
GrimReaper
02-27-2005, 12:57 PM
Don't deny it, look inside yourself, you're a murderous,terrorist sympathizer, scum. No different the terrorist scum who declared Fatwas on Salman Rushdie... Kill people because they write and belive in things you don't agree with. An accusation I find strange coming from someone who has spent the last couple of posts defending Benyamin Kahane who was the physical embodiment of the Kahane Chai / Kach. http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/kach.htm
Defending? I have no love for his views, his father's, or Kach.
However these views have been judged by a very lliberal and pluralistic judicial system which punished him and kach accordingly.
You on the other hand, keep justifying and sympathizing with his killers and show a barbaric love for their metheods. I'm surprised you don't talk about stoning or beheading along with your strangle like "runways-slave" statements.
Sayeret
02-27-2005, 01:47 PM
If there really was "etnic cleansing", why does Israel have over one million Arab citizens?
750.000 palestinians were etnicly cleansed from the area, israelis took control over. 150.000 were not displaced or were only displaced within the territory controlled by israel. Those 150.000 have since then turned into this million because of high birth rates.
So why haven't they been kicked out since? I believe Ben Gurion said that such things can only happen in revolutionary times. That is during great tumoil such as in 1948. Afterwards israel had to look nice, as it was very much dependent on the goodwill and economic aid from the western world.
And of course many israelis did indeed want Israel to, not just look nice, but in fact be a country which doesn't do such things. But I wouldn't be surprised, if you could find one or two, who deeply regrettes that the job wasn't finished then and those last 150.000 transfered out also.
If Israel was willing to commit ethnic cleansingin 1948 wouldn't they have committed against the Palestinains in the late 1980s and early 2000s considering how bad the situation was at times?
Israel never committed ethnic cleansing and there's no reason for anyone to believe you unless you provide some proof from a legitimate source.
Moledet
02-27-2005, 02:07 PM
Are you sure about that ? Jews were on of the first ones to use "terrorist" tactics to remove the british from Israel/ Palestine . I remember them bombing a british base with a milk truck loaded with explosives... I think that was in the 1940s or something... I forgot exactly..
Do you think there is a difference between fighting with improvised weapons against a military enemy, trying to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible, like the jews did and to slaughter innocent civilians in a cowardly and barbaric manner like the arabic terrorists do?
Apart from attacking british military personel, jewish terrorists also frequently murdered arab civilians, planting bombs etc. And i'm talking about pre-1948, not about the massacres during the 1948 etnic cleansing of the palestinians.
You forgot to mention why the Jews attacked. You forgot to mention that the Arabs started ALL the riots against Jews (1920, 1921, 1929, 1936, etc...). You forgot to mention how many Jewish civilians were slaughtered by gangs of Arabs (hint: They anahilated the big Jewish settlement in Hebron that existed for thousands of years).
The Shomer and later the Hagnaha and LEHI did their best to protect Jewish settlements that were attacked by the Arabs that didn't think twice if to kill civilians is right or not. While the Jews that were trained by the Poles and the Brits usualy tried to avoid the mass killing of civilians, but it wasn't always possible.
chomstein
02-27-2005, 02:27 PM
You forgot to mention why the Jews attacked.
I don't think they forget. They know...they know. They just leave it out. Think Jenin. If the Palestinians and thier supporters have learned anything it is this: Repeat something, anything enought times and people will start to parrot those words.
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