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J-10
02-25-2005, 10:04 PM
Analysis: Bush trip ends, but not all Euros are won over

Fri Feb 25, 7:32 AM ET
By Judy Keen, USA TODAY

President Bush told thousands of people in Hviezdoslavovo Square on Thursday that they and the United States are "allies and friends and brothers in the cause of freedom."

The remark summed up the goal Bush set before he left for Europe: to "make sure the Europeans understand ... that as we move beyond the differences of the past, that we can work a lot together to achieve big objectives."

But the loudest applause came not when Bush boasted that the war with Iraq was part of the "cause of freedom" but when he promised to make it easier for Slovaks to get visas to travel to the USA. (Related item: Bush, Putin unite against nuclear weapons in Iran)

Bush's words and the crowd's applause, muted by gloved and mittened hands, also were not enough to drown out the chants of protesters.

Dasa Gaaloga came to hear Bush speak not because she likes him, she said, but because "I just want to see him."

Gaaloga, 23, a student, reflected the views of several people in the crowd when asked how people here feel about the Iraq war and Bush's relationship with Europe.

"I'm not for the war, but something had to be done, and now it's over," she said. "Now Bush should pay more attention to Europe's problems."

Bush got the same message from some of the world leaders he met with during the trip.

French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder went to Brussels, where Bush attended NATO and European Union summits, with several concerns. After Bush met with them there and with Russian President Vladimir Putin here on Thursday, plenty of unfinished business remained:

• Bush inched closer to joining Great Britain, Germany and France in negotiations with Iran over halting its nuclear program. But there was no agreement on what incentives might be offered to persuade Iran to stop enriching fuel that could be used in nuclear weapons.

• Bush said he wants to work with Germany to share research and develop technology to reduce global warming, an issue of particular concern to Schroeder. But he did not make a specific proposal.

• France became the last of NATO's 26 members to join its effort to train Iraqi troops and will contribute to a trust fund to do so. But Bush did not win acknowledgment from the leaders of Germany, France and Russia, all of whom opposed the war, that the invasion was a wise move or that Iraq is on the path to stability.

• Bush and Putin agreed to disagree on the Russian president's commitment to democracy. Bush said he believes Putin's assurances that "there can be no return to what we used to have."

Putin said he will "take into account" some of Bush's concerns. But he did not promise to ease restrictions on the media and his political opposition.

The protests that accompanied every stop on Bush's five-day trip and interviews with people on the street in Belgium, Germany and Slovakia suggested that many Europeans have not been won over.

"I don't like him," said Yasmine Marrein, 24, an administrative assistant in Brussels. "I think he searches for war."

European newspapers praised Bush's commitment, in a speech Monday in Brussels, to support a unified, strengthened Europe. But there also was criticism and skepticism. "Bush's new love affair with the Europeans is a love affair of convenience, not a love match," said an editorial in Belgium's left-of-center Le Soir.

A poll in Germany's Die Welt said Germans have more confidence in Putin than in Bush, and 67% said Germans have no reason to still be grateful to the United States for its help rebuilding Germany after World War II. Novy Cas, a tabloid in Bratislava, criticized Slovakia's prime minister, Mikulas Dzurinda, for making "subservient" comments about Bush.

Still, Bush's European counterparts seemed eager to dispel the impression that disagreements over Iraq have permanently soured their relationships with him.

Putin called Bush an "interested partner" and said their meeting was friendly and took place "in a very trustful atmosphere." Chirac said there's been no change in their "very warm relations." Schroeder thanked Bush for a "very friendly conversation."

Some Europeans are ready to move on. The war with Iraq "had to happen," said Viera Gregorova, 55, an advertising executive in Bratislava. "It is time to talk about something else."

Tomas Palko, 18, a student in Bratislava, said, "Europe needs America, so Europe needs Bush."
From (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=710&ncid=703&e=5&u=/usatoday/20050225/pl_usatoday/analysisbushtripendsbutnotalleurosarewonover)

Seiyuuki
02-25-2005, 11:27 PM
It seem most Europeans in this forum does not like to be call "Euros."

EsoognomEhT
02-26-2005, 02:14 AM
J10 do you ever actually post anything that isnt just a story taken off a news site!? Do you think people dont read papers / watch the news?!

;d

Sir Zach of R.
02-26-2005, 03:20 AM
J10 do you ever actually post anything that isnt just a story taken off a news site!? Do you think people dont read papers / watch the news?!

;d

hahaha.......... Shutup :bash:

Ratamacue
02-26-2005, 03:22 AM
J10 do you ever actually post anything that isnt just a story taken off a news site!? Do you think people dont read papers / watch the news?!
So what exactly do you contribute?

walford
02-26-2005, 03:37 AM
J10 do you ever actually post anything that isnt just a story taken off a news site!? Do you think people dont read papers / watch the news?!J-10 finds stories that many of us would otherwise not notice -- especially those concerning the Pacific Rim. Also he posts cute Asian girls in the babes (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34135&highlight=) thread. :P

Besides, not every member of this board can be a master thread starter like obd (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=36178&highlight=) for instance.

EsoognomEhT
02-26-2005, 07:01 AM
Guess you people infact do not read the papers / watch the news and the internet is your only source of information for you to take a lighthearted post quite so seriously.

Ah well

SHAM
02-26-2005, 07:17 AM
It seem most Europeans in this forum does not like to be call "Euros."

How about we call you "dollars"...getting the picture yet?

Lurch
02-26-2005, 08:54 AM
heeeey, J-10 posts some good articles. stuff I would otherwise not see. lads, be nice.

BTW, good article but who really expected everyone to agree with Bush?

^ Euros = dollars. good point, maybe you should have named the currency something else? p-)

Knutsen
02-26-2005, 09:32 AM
Euros = dollars. good point, maybe you should have named the currency something else?

It was going to be called Ecu ( 10 or 12 years ago there were even monopoly-like games in which the money were Ecus with questions about the EEC, the previous name of the EU), but if i'm not mistaken Ecu means something like cow **** in greek or something. IS it right achilles?

achilles
02-26-2005, 10:20 AM
Euros = dollars. good point, maybe you should have named the currency something else?

It was going to be called Ecu ( 10 or 12 years ago there were even monopoly-like games in which the money were Ecus with questions about the EEC, the previous name of the EU), but if i'm not mistaken Ecu means something like cow **** in greek or something. IS it right achilles?

Cow ****? :lol: No, not in Greek bud...French maybe?

cut
02-26-2005, 11:26 AM
Euros = dollars. good point, maybe you should have named the currency something else?

It was going to be called Ecu ( 10 or 12 years ago there were even monopoly-like games in which the money were Ecus with questions about the EEC, the previous name of the EU), but if i'm not mistaken Ecu means something like cow **** in greek or something. IS it right achilles?

Cow ****? :lol: No, not in Greek bud...French maybe?

I think it was because it was the name of an ancient currency, (french I think), so it wasn't really very international.

SHAM
02-26-2005, 12:13 PM
heeeey, J-10 posts some good articles. stuff I would otherwise not see. lads, be nice.

BTW, good article but who really expected everyone to agree with Bush?

^ Euros = dollars. good point, maybe you should have named the currency something else? p-)

Canada "apparently" from the IQ thread has an average IQ of 97, maybe you should start putting it to use..
euros = currency.
europeans = member states of european union.
Its not that hard.
:petting:

walford
02-26-2005, 12:17 PM
It seem most Europeans in this forum does not like to be call "Euros."How about we call you "dollars"...getting the picture yet?That's how we're looked at anyway. Intransigent little $$$$ running around not listening to the wisdom of our more worldly older cousins across the pond.

BlackRain
02-26-2005, 12:20 PM
J10 do you ever actually post anything that isnt just a story taken off a news site!? Do you think people dont read papers / watch the news?!J-10 finds stories that many of us would otherwise not notice -- especially those concerning the Pacific Rim. Also he posts cute Asian girls in the babes (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34135&highlight=) thread. :P

Besides, not every member of this board can be a master thread starter like obd (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=36178&highlight=) for instance.


I did not see this article before and I am glad he posted it.

Seiyuuki
02-26-2005, 01:22 PM
It seem most Europeans in this forum does not like to be call "Euros."

How about we call you "dollars"...getting the picture yet?

Just commenting on the title of the article, Euro. ;)

Ratamacue
02-26-2005, 02:45 PM
Guess you people infact do not read the papers / watch the news and the internet is your only source of information for you to take a lighthearted post quite so seriously.

Ah well
I ask you again: just what do you contribute?

ZaakM433
02-26-2005, 03:03 PM
It seem most Europeans in this forum does not like to be call "Euros."

How about we call you "dollars"...getting the picture yet?

Just commenting on the title of the article, Euro. ;)

I still dont understand. We dont call u euros because of the currency but the continent. So it would be Northers, or ameras or something instead of dollars for us...

Do u guys actually take it as an insult if you're called a euro?

walford
02-26-2005, 03:21 PM
I recall one guy on this board calling 'em 'Yurps.' They didn't seem to like that very much either. Being a Southerner, I'm not particularly fond of being called a 'Yank.'

SHAM
02-26-2005, 03:23 PM
It seem most Europeans in this forum does not like to be call "Euros."

How about we call you "dollars"...getting the picture yet?

Just commenting on the title of the article, Euro. ;)

I still dont understand. We dont call u euros because of the currency but the continent. So it would be Northers, or ameras or something instead of dollars for us...

Do u guys actually take it as an insult if you're called a euro?

Ofcourse not, its just insulting to your own intelligence.
Why dont we call you dollars? why dont we call canadians and mexicans "americans" (continental north america similar to continental europe..european)
The reason we dont call you dollars or mexicans or canadians "americans" is because we know its dumb.
I have lost track of the number of times it has been mentioned on the forum that europe is not a country but a continent . The concept of which seems to elude many.
So in summation, call us whatever you want, its not insulting, more rather amusing.

von_Moo142
02-26-2005, 03:32 PM
I recall one guy on this board calling 'em 'Yurps.' They didn't seem to like that very much either. Being a Southerner, I'm not particularly fond of being called a 'Yank.'

You in the US present a special case though. We shouldn't, IMO, call you Americans, as that is not precise (what you call yourselves is not really our concern). I agree, Yank is no good either (although, like Americans, it's rooted in common use over here).

I try to use "US citizens" as much as possible, but it's a little cumbersome.

BarkingSquirrel
02-26-2005, 03:36 PM
I recall one guy on this board calling 'em 'Yurps.' They didn't seem to like that very much either. Being a Southerner, I'm not particularly fond of being called a 'Yank.'I prefer to call 'em europeons.

IamWhatIam
02-26-2005, 04:23 PM
I think American is fine, because after all, we have America in the name of the country, so it would be technically correct to call us American's.

As for the Europeans, I would prefer to call them what every their nationality dictates, when it's available. (i.e. Irish, Britsh, etc.) Unless of course, they are speaking for the whole of Europe, which some believe that they do, then I call them whatever applies! ;)

walford
02-26-2005, 08:49 PM
I thought you wanted to be called Eurowussies (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28903&highlight=eurowussies)!

von_Moo142
02-26-2005, 08:54 PM
Not everyone can become a member of that select group. You have to earn the right to be called a eurowussie p-)

EsoognomEhT
02-27-2005, 05:08 PM
I ask you again: just what do you contribute?

Discussion.

I in turn, ask you. What do you contribute?

But ok, I shall make it my mission to post news items from various sources, starting with this one;

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=614127