Picture request: minorities in Special Forces

[radx]

Hi guys, is it me or are there little or no minorities in the special forces? Being a minority (in the Reserves *sigh* one day...I'll be regular) I think it's pretty cool to see people of color in the special operations, but pictures seem to be few. I hope I'm not starting an arguement, because I don't want to, I just want to see a few pictures for encouragement. Thanks guys! :)

[Andre]

What race are you and what military reserves are you in?

[radx]

I'm Asian, and Im in Canada.

[Andre]

No offense, but good luck looking for canadian ones.

[Scagel]

I'm Asian, and Im in Canada.

I know of 4-5 asians at my school that plan on going active duty after grad. I really wouldnt be surprised if 2 of them didnt get to SF or something like that- they're just crazy motivated.

[fantassin]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/fantassin/aae.sized.jpg

Two in one !

A Black Marine Corps General and an Asian French Foreign Legion Chief Corporal...

I know, neither the USMC nor the FFL are SF, but I thought it was still a good encouragement since they not exactly are bad role models.

BTW, the SF being often in the "teaching" role with foreign, third-world armies, I have noticed, at first hand when serving with French forces in Africa, that the locals HATED being taught by a Black French soldier.

They wanted White instructors or no instructors at all since they considered the Black instructors as no better than them and almost as "traitors" to their kin.

[radx]

No offense, but good luck looking for canadian ones.

Hehe, yeah I didn't even have JTF2 in mind when I said that- pictures being so rare of the unit. Ironically though, in the unit's most famous picture (where they are escorting Taliban prisoners out of an airplane) one of the operators was black. And I should say, any special forces pictures are fine, because they are just plain cool to look at :P.

[Panzer laid]

I'm Asian, and Im in Canada.

I'm Asian ! and I am in reserve too !

which unit ?


By the way ! Andre !
My joke in my unit is " Me no speak English ! " I am from Richmond "

u were know this joke if u are from Vancouver ! ;)

[cobalt545]

I'm in the regs in Edmonton and we have very few minorities here in my unit. My unit is 99% caucasian. We have a few blacks, asians, and aboriginals. For some reason we just don't get much ethnic diversity in the army. :(

[4fox]

How about a Black SF Brigadier general?

[EvanL]

No offense, but good luck looking for canadian ones.
Your an idiot to say that.
The regular force doesnt have as many minorities as the reserves but per capita, we are still on par with you yanks in terms of minorities in the forces.

[memphiz]

I'm in the regs in Edmonton and we have very few minorities here in my unit. My unit is 99% caucasian. We have a few blacks, asians, and aboriginals. For some reason we just don't get much ethnic diversity in the army. :(
I think it has to do witht he fact that when someone of a different race immegrates to Canada they dont feel the need to serve in our forces. They'd rather serve in there 'home' country. On my BMQ course there is a few Asians

[EvanL]

I'm in the regs in Edmonton and we have very few minorities here in my unit. My unit is 99% caucasian. We have a few blacks, asians, and aboriginals. For some reason we just don't get much ethnic diversity in the army. :(
I think it has to do witht he fact that when someone of a different race immegrates to Canada they dont feel the need to serve in our forces. They'd rather serve in there 'home' country. On my BMQ course there is a few Asianswhen you come out east its alot different. here in ottawa i see minorities in uniform everyday.

[[AFSOC]]

keep in mind too in Canada...

a lot of the asians and other minorities came in the 80's and recently

[sowannab]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/US_Naval_Special_Warfare_Command/aaa

the best pic i've seen
asian in the us navy seals

though navy seals are special operations

[DnA]

I'm Asian, and Im in Canada.

I'm Asian ! and I am in reserve too !

which unit ?


By the way ! Andre !
My joke in my unit is " Me no speak English ! " I am from Richmond "

u were know this joke if u are from Vancouver ! ;)


I'm in Richmond, an I'm white. I'm a minority here.

[EvanL]

I'm Asian, and Im in Canada.

I'm Asian ! and I am in reserve too !

which unit ?


By the way ! Andre !
My joke in my unit is " Me no speak English ! " I am from Richmond "

u were know this joke if u are from Vancouver ! ;)


I'm in Richmond, an I'm white. I'm a minority here.
I live in a rural area, and its filled to the brim with Asians, Lebanese, Indian, and Blacks.

[M1A2U2]

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

[Panzer laid]

I'm Asian, and Im in Canada.

I'm Asian ! and I am in reserve too !

which unit ?


By the way ! Andre !
My joke in my unit is " Me no speak English ! " I am from Richmond "

u were know this joke if u are from Vancouver ! ;)


I'm in Richmond, an I'm white. I'm a minority here.

hahaha ! u get my joke right !? ;)

which unit u are in ? 12 service ?

[Panzer laid]

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !

[Panzer laid]

I'm in the regs in Edmonton and we have very few minorities here in my unit. My unit is 99% caucasian. We have a few blacks, asians, and aboriginals. For some reason we just don't get much ethnic diversity in the army. :(
I think it has to do witht he fact that when someone of a different race immegrates to Canada they dont feel the need to serve in our forces. They'd rather serve in there 'home' country. On my BMQ course there is a few Asians


I think not just immigrants ! Many Candian borns don't feel like to serve in military !

in my BMQ ! tons of immigrants ! Chinese, HKonese, Taiwanese ( I was the only one ), Russian, Serbians, Philipines, .....u named it !

[BlackFlag]

I live in Detroit...I'm white and Im a minority...

[Ratman]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/US_Naval_Special_Warfare_Command/aaa

the best pic i've seen
asian in the us navy seals

though navy seals are special operations

Wouldn't want to mix it up with this lot.

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

No offense, but good luck looking for canadian ones.
Your an idiot to say that.
The regular force doesnt have as many minorities as the reserves but per capita, we are still on par with you yanks in terms of minorities in the forces.


So are you gonna show us some Canadian SF pics with minoritys in it?

[0341]

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.

[Enduring Freedom]

there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.


:bash: :bash:

[Some Guy]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Special_Forces-Philippines/a_sfp17.jpg

[Fallosophy]

Old general shinseki is ranger tabbed. And Colon Powell is tabbed too I thought. no?

[EvanL]

No offense, but good luck looking for canadian ones.
Your an idiot to say that.
The regular force doesnt have as many minorities as the reserves but per capita, we are still on par with you yanks in terms of minorities in the forces.


So are you gonna show us some Canadian SF pics with minoritys in it?
ok
the most famous of all Canadian Special Forces pics.
http://img151.exs.cx/img151/7043/10246vt.jpg

[EvanL]

Better Quality
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/9527/apcbcnewsonlineafg29840060me.jpg

[CG51]

I live in Detroit...I'm white and Im a minority...

i hear that eminem's mom tried to sell the house he grew up in for over a mil... :lol:

[Jack Mehoff]

19th SFG have a bunch of Asians in it because their AO is around Asia. Their HQ is 5 miles away from my home.

are there a lot of middle eastern guys in the 5th sfg?

[Panzer laid]

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.


:roll:

u mean they don't know how to swim ?

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.


:roll:

u mean they don't know how to swim ?

I don't think it's that, I don't think they can tolerate the cold as much as white guys

[askDNA]

It's just that they didn't grow up swimming. I mean, I never remembered seeing any black kids at the YMCA learning to swim. It's ust a cultural and monetary thing. I know plenty of whites that didn't learn either.

[Pook2]

Black people generally are more susceptible to Anemia and so cant tolerate high altitudes.

[Silverdragon]

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.

:roll:

u mean they don't know how to swim ?

I don't think it's that, I don't think they can tolerate the cold as much as white guys

FM shut your pie hole, i love cold weather and i can tolerate it as much as anyone else. I can also swim circles around you 0341. while were at it lets hear some more stereotypes, i love my friend chicken with watermelon. lets also not forget the malt liquor :roll:

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.

:roll:

u mean they don't know how to swim ?

I don't think it's that, I don't think they can tolerate the cold as much as white guys

FM shut your pie hole, i love cold weather and i can tolerate it as much as anyone else. I can also swim circles around you 0341. while were at it lets hear some more stereotypes, i love my friend chicken with watermelon. lets also not forget the malt liquor :roll:

it goes the same way around, black guys can tolerate the heat more than white guys can, you racist

[Silverdragon]

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.

:roll:

u mean they don't know how to swim ?

I don't think it's that, I don't think they can tolerate the cold as much as white guys

FM shut your pie hole, i love cold weather and i can tolerate it as much as anyone else. I can also swim circles around you 0341. while were at it lets hear some more stereotypes, i love my friend chicken with watermelon. lets also not forget the malt liquor :roll:

it goes the same way around, black guys can tolerate the heat more than white guys can, you racist

your mexican so you dont fit in there at all rofl rofl

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.

:roll:

u mean they don't know how to swim ?

I don't think it's that, I don't think they can tolerate the cold as much as white guys

FM shut your pie hole, i love cold weather and i can tolerate it as much as anyone else. I can also swim circles around you 0341. while were at it lets hear some more stereotypes, i love my friend chicken with watermelon. lets also not forget the malt liquor :roll:

it goes the same way around, black guys can tolerate the heat more than white guys can, you racist

your mexican so you dont fit in there at all rofl rofl

i'm not mexican, you damn ethiopian

[Silverdragon]

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.

:roll:

u mean they don't know how to swim ?

I don't think it's that, I don't think they can tolerate the cold as much as white guys

FM shut your pie hole, i love cold weather and i can tolerate it as much as anyone else. I can also swim circles around you 0341. while were at it lets hear some more stereotypes, i love my friend chicken with watermelon. lets also not forget the malt liquor :roll:

it goes the same way around, black guys can tolerate the heat more than white guys can, you racist

your mexican so you dont fit in there at all rofl rofl

i'm not mexican, you damn ethiopian

jamaican, mon

[ronin2172]

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.
That is not the only reason, the main reason is that they don't want to ...

A study (which was flawed) was done on the lack of minorities in special ops, swimming was one of the issues but not the only issue...one of the main reason blacks did not go for SF was because they gravitated to jobs in sectors that would be of benefit in civillian life (computers, medical, engineering...ect). Percieved racisim was also stated as a reason (note i did not say SF were racist i said they were percieved to be racist, acording to the study, if you dont like it take it up with the Rand Corporation who did the study), Time away from wives and family, Lack of minority role models and difficulty with small unit combat skills and orienteering (again i don't know how accurate this study is) were also listed as reasons

There is also a percieved notion that minority operators in Spec Ops get overlooked for promotion thus becoming a dead end...career wise...


Some minority "operators" -- the nickname for special-operations soldiers -- suspect whites are quicker to be promoted and get better assignments in elite units.

Minorities are, as operators are keenly aware, also poorly represented among the top ranks of the Special Operations Command, which oversees the Pentagon' s commando forces.

Only one black from special operations, Army Brig. Gen. Remo Butler, has reached flag rank -- general or admiral -- and that didn' t happen until June.

Navy Capt. Everett Greene was selected as a rear admiral in 1994, but his promotion was canceled after he was court-martialed and then acquitted of ******-harassment charges.

Few minority officers have been promoted above the ranks of major in the Army and Air Force. And, except for Greene, no black officer has risen above the equivalent rank of lieutenant commander in the SEALs, he said.

Also, no black has ever commanded any of the six SEAL teams or the two naval special warfare groups -- the SEALs' plum assignments, Greene said.

"Nobody is asking for any preferential treatment; folks are just asking for equitable treatment across the board," said the Army' s Butler.



The top brass are trying to get more minorities into Specops but it is a difficult problem as you cannot (and should not) force anything on such a specialized, tight nit community.


Blacks, Latinos, Asians, American Indians and other minorities now make up 34 percent of the military, greater than the 28.5 percent minority representation within the general U.S. population.

But the picture is very different in elite units.

Only 13 percent of the Pentagon' s highly trained special-operations forces are racial minorities. Of the 8,775 Army, Navy and Air Force commandos, 1,180 are classified as minorities.

n Less than 15 percent of the Army' s Special Forces and Rangers personnel are soldiers of color, compared with about 40 percent of the entire Army.

About 11 percent of Navy SEALs, whose headquarters are in Coronado, are minorities. "We are underrepresented (with minorities) compared to what we' d like," acknowledged Rear Adm. Eric Olson, the Navy' s top SEAL.

Eight percent of the Air Force' s special-tactics and pararescue groups, the military' s smallest commando force, are minority members.

The greatest disparity appears in the ranks of black servicemen.

The Army Special Forces, known by distinctive green berets, has 234 African-American officers and soldiers in a force of 5,200 men. Blacks make up 4.5 percent of the Green Berets, compared with nearly 24 percent of the male soldiers in the Army.

The Navy has only 31 blacks among its 2,299 Sea-Air-Land, or SEAL, commandos, less than 2 percent of the force. African-Americans constitute nearly 17 percent of the male personnel within the Navy.

And, the Air Force' s special-tactics groups have only eight blacks in a force of 472 men, less than 2 percent. Servicewide, about 14 percent of the Air Force' s male personnel are African-American.

The statistics have not improved significantly in recent years, despite heightened recruiting efforts.

Efforts to recruit and train more blacks and Latinos haven' t been successful, as swimming requirements, low entrance-exam scores, family needs and perceptions of racism appear to have discouraged many minorities from joining.

During the past four years, the percentage of minorities has risen slightly in the Army Special Forces. But the number of minority graduates from Special Forces training dropped in 1999, meaning fewer blacks and Latinos are donning the green beret than before.

At the same time, minority numbers dropped a little in the Navy and Air Force.

And it' s not likely to get better for the Navy, as only one black since early 1999 has graduated from the grueling Basic Underwater Demolition-SEAL training program in Coronado.

No one has suggested implementing quotas, and every one of the dozens of commandos interviewed for this story, regardless of race or rank, balked at affirmative action.

"There' s a fair amount of energy being expended here, and I would emphasize it' s not to achieve any artificially established goals because we don' t have any, but rather to satisfy a need," Schwartz said.

[Airborneranger4israel]

currently there is an angressive recruiting operation within the dod for people who look middle eastern. they want middle eastern people in the SF so they can infiltrate enemey forces also having somone who speaks arabic is a HUGE objective in this recruiting for sf, as well as CIA, and FBI positions, i know someone who translates arabic for my mom's organization (AJC.org)
who was contacted BY the CIA and FBI askining her to work for them.

[szr]

Just some personal anecdotes about one half-black guy, water, swimming, and the military.

My best friend is a [half] black guy and he often jokes that most blacks flat-out hate the water. He also jokes that blacks suck at intellectual persuits and really at everything except "gettin' da honeys" but he's this close--> || to getting his BE in Chemical Engineering and he's set to keep on going in his materials science studies until he gets his Ph.D. ... He makes a lot of "racist" jokes, which are hilarious when they come out of his mouth. So, I guess the moral of the story is you can joke about your own race when you contradict your own jokes... Or even if you don't.

I don't know if he can swim though. The one time we went to the beach (yep, just one time), he made it out about knee deep before he was turned back by the defensive line of jellyfish... Wuss.

I still remember the day when our group of friends went to the multiservice recruiting station in Times Square. We were all talking it up with the Marine 'cruiters about the 0321 and 0351 MOS' and loading our backpacks with all kinds of high-speed USMC posters and bumper stickers while he talked to the Air Force and Army guys in the corner. He asked the Army guy if there was "a job that involves shooting lots of guns but isn't hard like the Marines." Another gem was when he asked if the National Guard had a reserve component.. Because he didn't want to be 'full-time Guard'@! That one just gets funnier with age.. rofl

currently there is an angressive recruiting operation within the dod for people who look middle eastern. they want middle eastern people in the SF so they can infiltrate enemey forces also having somone who speaks arabic is a HUGE objective in this recruiting for sf, as well as CIA, and FBI positions, i know someone who translates arabic for my mom's organization (AJC.org)
who was contacted BY the CIA and FBI askining her to work for them.

so if a middle eastern guy wanted to become sf, he would most likely be assigned to the 5th sfg where their main area of operation is the middle east?

[MapleLeafInfantry]

No offense, but good luck looking for canadian ones.

lol the royal regiment of Canada in toronto is the unit for you

they have the summer BN comprised of trinidad and other bajans
then they have the winter BN comprised of all the roooskies.

mapes

all of the urban placed units reflect the population, however the regs are different,

[EvanL]

No offense, but good luck looking for canadian ones.

lol the royal regiment of Canada in toronto is the unit for you

they have the summer BN comprised of trinidad and other bajans
then they have the winter BN comprised of all the roooskies.

mapes

all of the urban placed units reflect the population, however the regs are different,
I lived in Trinidad for 3years. Theres more Trinis in Toronto than in Trinidad. They ****ing hate the winter though. It gets to 22*C there in December and they put on sweaters. Its hillarious.

[Red]

lol at this thread.Good point Ronin and silver dragon

[RECONMIKE19D]

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[szr]

From crosssud's 5th SFG(A) gallery (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/5th-SFGA).
On the .50 in both pics:
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/5th-SFGA/aac.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/5th-SFGA/aag.sized.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

http://www.sfalx.com/moh/images/moh.gif
MOH recipients

http://www.sfalx.com/moh/images/ashley.jpg
SFC Eugene Ashley, Jr
U.S. Army, Company C
5th Special Forces Group, 1st Special Forces

http://www.sfalx.com/moh/images/benevid.jpg
Master Sergeant Roy P. Benavidez
U.S. Army
Detachment B-56
5th Special Forces Group
1st Special Forces

[[AFSOC]]

http://www.sfalx.com/moh/images/benevid.jpg

Latin guy? or Filipino?

[msnger]

Flipino probabbly, remember spanish had Phlip. then US took over.
that's why probably his last name sounds spanish.

[Delta Niner]

]http://www.sfalx.com/moh/images/benevid.jpg

Latin guy? or Filipino?

Latin bro

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

]http://www.sfalx.com/moh/images/benevid.jpg

Latin guy? or Filipino?

Latin bro

This guy kind of looks out of shape, anyone got the citation of his MOH?

[ronin2172]

]http://www.sfalx.com/moh/images/benevid.jpg

Latin guy? or Filipino?

Latin bro

This guy kind of looks out of shape, anyone got the citation of his MOH?
smh...just perhaps this pic was taken AFTER he finished active duty?

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

]http://www.sfalx.com/moh/images/benevid.jpg

Latin guy? or Filipino?

Latin bro

This guy kind of looks out of shape, anyone got the citation of his MOH?
smh...just perhaps this pic was taken AFTER he finished active duty?

:oops: Yeah you are right this is an AP picture that was taken in 1981, I also found his MOH Citation. What a brave soilder this man was, this is what I call a true hero. I counted at least 6 diffrent times he was wounded, all I can say is *salutes Sergeant Benavidez




Citation: Master Sergeant, then Staff Sergeant, United States Army. Who
distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely glorious actions on 2 May
1968 while assigned to Detachment B-56, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne). 1st
Special Forces, Republic of Vietnam. On the morning of 2 May 1968, a 12-man
Special Forces Reconnaissance Team was inserted by helicopters in a dense jungle
area west of Loc Ninh, Vietnam to gather intelligence information about confirmed
large-scale enemy activity. This area was controlled and routinely patrolled by the
North Vietnamese Army. After a short period of time on the ground, the team met
heavy enemy resistance and requested emergency extraction. 3 helicopters
attempted extraction, but were unable to land due to intense enemy small arms and
anti-aircraft fire. Sergeant Benavidez was at the Forward Operating Base in Loc
Ninh monitoring the operation by radio when these helicopters returned to off-load
wounded crew members and to assess aircraft damage. Sergeant Benavidez
voluntarily boarded a returning aircraft to assist in another extraction attempt.
Realizing that all the team members were either dead or wounded and unable to
move to the pickup zone, he directed the aircraft to a nearby clearing where he
jumped from the hovering helicopter, and ran approximately 75 meters under
withering small arms fire to the crippled team. Prior to reaching the team's position
he was wounded in his right leg, face and head. Despite these painful injuries he
took charge, repositioning the team members and directing their fire to facilitate the
landing of an extraction aircraft, and the loading of wounded and dead team
members. He then threw smoke canisters to direct the aircraft to the team's position.
Despite his severe wounds and under intense enemy fire, he carried and dragged
half of the wounded team members to the awaiting aircraft. He then provided
protective fire by running alongside the aircraft as it moved to pick up the remaining
team members. As the enemy's fire intensified, he hurried to recover the body and
classified documents on the dead team leader. When he reached the leader's body,
Sergeant Benavidez was severely wounded by small arms fire in the abdomen and
grenade fragments in his back. At nearly the same moment, the aircraft pilot was
mortally wounded, and his helicopter crashed. Although in extremely critical
condition due to his multiple wounds, Sergeant Benavidez secured the classified
documents and made his way back to the wreckage, where he aided the wounded
out of the overturned aircraft, and gathered the stunned survivors into a defensive
perimeter. Under increasing enemy automatic weapons and grenade fire, he moved
around the perimeter distributing water and ammunition to his weary men,
reinstilling in them a will to live and fight. Facing a buildup of enemy opposition
with a beleaguered team, Sergeant Benavidez mustered his strength, began calling in
tactical air strikes and directed the fire from supporting gun ships to suppress the
enemy's fire and so permit another extraction attempt. He was wounded again in his
thigh by small arms fire while administering first aid to a wounded team member
just before another extraction helicopter was able to land. His indomitable spirit
kept him going as he began to ferry his comrades to the craft. On his second trip
with the wounded, he was clubbed with additional wounds to his head and arms
before killing his adversary. He then continued under devastating fire to carry the
wounded to the helicopter. Upon reaching the aircraft, he spotted and killed 2 enemy
soldiers who were rushing the craft from an angle that prevented the aircraft door
gunner from firing upon them. With little strength remaining, he made one last trip to
the perimeter to ensure that all classified material had been collected or destroyed,
and to bring in the remaining wounded. Only then, in extremely serious condition
from numerous wounds and loss of blood, did he allow himself to be pulled into the
extraction aircraft. Sergeant Benavidez' gallant choice to voluntarily join his
comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering
enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved
the lives of at least 8 men. His fearless personal leadership, tenacious devotion to
duty, and extremely valorous actions in the face of overwhelming odds were in
keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflect the utmost
credit on him and the United States Army.

[[AFSOC]]

Flipino probabbly, remember spanish had Phlip. then US took over.
that's why probably his last name sounds spanish.

yeah...im a result of that.....i got a spanish last name :)

[EvanL]

]
Flipino probabbly, remember spanish had Phlip. then US took over.
that's why probably his last name sounds spanish.

yeah...im a result of that.....i got a spanish last name :)
your also the result of a drunk woman and a broken condom.

[[AFSOC]]

]
Flipino probabbly, remember spanish had Phlip. then US took over.
that's why probably his last name sounds spanish.

yeah...im a result of that.....i got a spanish last name :)
your also the result of a drunk woman and a broken condom.

ok?...

[EvanL]

]

]
Flipino probabbly, remember spanish had Phlip. then US took over.
that's why probably his last name sounds spanish.

yeah...im a result of that.....i got a spanish last name :)
your also the result of a drunk woman and a broken condom.

ok?...
it'll come to you in a few days.

[4fox]

http://www.green4art.com/images/apsu/rbutler/remo01.jpg

[Red]

http://www.green4art.com/images/apsu/rbutler/remo01.jpg
Gen.Remo Butler

[Airborneranger4israel]

currently there is an angressive recruiting operation within the dod for people who look middle eastern. they want middle eastern people in the SF so they can infiltrate enemey forces also having somone who speaks arabic is a HUGE objective in this recruiting for sf, as well as CIA, and FBI positions, i know someone who translates arabic for my mom's organization (AJC.org)
who was contacted BY the CIA and FBI askining her to work for them.

so if a middle eastern guy wanted to become sf, he would most likely be assigned to the 5th sfg where their main area of operation is the middle east?

probably but not sure, depeded on where each group was operating and what the mission consisted of , if it was just like a raid than no , but training local militia, infiltration yes

[EMAN]

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.
That is not the only reason, the main reason is that they don't want to ...

A study (which was flawed) was done on the lack of minorities in special ops, swimming was one of the issues but not the only issue...one of the main reason blacks did not go for SF was because they gravitated to jobs in sectors that would be of benefit in civillian life (computers, medical, engineering...ect). Percieved racisim was also stated as a reason (note i did not say SF were racist i said they were percieved to be racist, acording to the study, if you dont like it take it up with the Rand Corporation who did the study), Time away from wives and family, Lack of minority role models and difficulty with small unit combat skills and orienteering (again i don't know how accurate this study is) were also listed as reasons

There is also a percieved notion that minority operators in Spec Ops get overlooked for promotion thus becoming a dead end...career wise...


Some minority "operators" -- the nickname for special-operations soldiers -- suspect whites are quicker to be promoted and get better assignments in elite units.

Minorities are, as operators are keenly aware, also poorly represented among the top ranks of the Special Operations Command, which oversees the Pentagon' s commando forces.

Only one black from special operations, Army Brig. Gen. Remo Butler, has reached flag rank -- general or admiral -- and that didn' t happen until June.

Navy Capt. Everett Greene was selected as a rear admiral in 1994, but his promotion was canceled after he was court-martialed and then acquitted of ******-harassment charges.

Few minority officers have been promoted above the ranks of major in the Army and Air Force. And, except for Greene, no black officer has risen above the equivalent rank of lieutenant commander in the SEALs, he said.

Also, no black has ever commanded any of the six SEAL teams or the two naval special warfare groups -- the SEALs' plum assignments, Greene said.

"Nobody is asking for any preferential treatment; folks are just asking for equitable treatment across the board," said the Army' s Butler.



The top brass are trying to get more minorities into Specops but it is a difficult problem as you cannot (and should not) force anything on such a specialized, tight nit community.


Blacks, Latinos, Asians, American Indians and other minorities now make up 34 percent of the military, greater than the 28.5 percent minority representation within the general U.S. population.

But the picture is very different in elite units.

Only 13 percent of the Pentagon' s highly trained special-operations forces are racial minorities. Of the 8,775 Army, Navy and Air Force commandos, 1,180 are classified as minorities.

n Less than 15 percent of the Army' s Special Forces and Rangers personnel are soldiers of color, compared with about 40 percent of the entire Army.

About 11 percent of Navy SEALs, whose headquarters are in Coronado, are minorities. "We are underrepresented (with minorities) compared to what we' d like," acknowledged Rear Adm. Eric Olson, the Navy' s top SEAL.

Eight percent of the Air Force' s special-tactics and pararescue groups, the military' s smallest commando force, are minority members.

The greatest disparity appears in the ranks of black servicemen.

The Army Special Forces, known by distinctive green berets, has 234 African-American officers and soldiers in a force of 5,200 men. Blacks make up 4.5 percent of the Green Berets, compared with nearly 24 percent of the male soldiers in the Army.

The Navy has only 31 blacks among its 2,299 Sea-Air-Land, or SEAL, commandos, less than 2 percent of the force. African-Americans constitute nearly 17 percent of the male personnel within the Navy.

And, the Air Force' s special-tactics groups have only eight blacks in a force of 472 men, less than 2 percent. Servicewide, about 14 percent of the Air Force' s male personnel are African-American.

The statistics have not improved significantly in recent years, despite heightened recruiting efforts.

Efforts to recruit and train more blacks and Latinos haven' t been successful, as swimming requirements, low entrance-exam scores, family needs and perceptions of racism appear to have discouraged many minorities from joining.

During the past four years, the percentage of minorities has risen slightly in the Army Special Forces. But the number of minority graduates from Special Forces training dropped in 1999, meaning fewer blacks and Latinos are donning the green beret than before.

At the same time, minority numbers dropped a little in the Navy and Air Force.

And it' s not likely to get better for the Navy, as only one black since early 1999 has graduated from the grueling Basic Underwater Demolition-SEAL training program in Coronado.

No one has suggested implementing quotas, and every one of the dozens of commandos interviewed for this story, regardless of race or rank, balked at affirmative action.

"There' s a fair amount of energy being expended here, and I would emphasize it' s not to achieve any artificially established goals because we don' t have any, but rather to satisfy a need," Schwartz said.



Being a minority I can fully agree with most of what this study says. Growing up there was a YMCA available and many of my friends took advantage of it along with numerious public pools. If I made the decision to join the military my future outside of the service is where my head would be so "yes" I would look for a field that will do me some good once my time was up.
Yes there is a comfort that only being around other minorities brings, this is not racist thing, it is a culture thing. This is our culture. Very hard to change a culture.
The more I watch the various selections that have been on TV lately (ie. SEALS, PJs, etc) I feel that if I did choose to make the military a career I would make pass selection. Being a minority is a great motivator because there will always be someone there to say you can't.

[GAFES]

There are 2 black guys that were in the Battle of Mogadishu as rangers

I found that interesting ! I thought there suppose be more Black guy in US army !


there is a lot of black people in the military.....but in a unit that involves some swimming ......you wont find them that much.

:roll:

u mean they don't know how to swim ?

I don't think it's that, I don't think they can tolerate the cold as much as white guys

FM shut your pie hole, i love cold weather and i can tolerate it as much as anyone else. I can also swim circles around you 0341. while were at it lets hear some more stereotypes, i love my friend chicken with watermelon. lets also not forget the malt liquor :roll:

it goes the same way around, black guys can tolerate the heat more than white guys can, you racist

your mexican so you dont fit in there at all rofl rofl

i'm not mexican, you damn ethiopian

What do you mean? silverdragon

[Snake Eater Wannabe]

were you talkin about cycle cell anemia? if you are than please tell me what it has to do with blacks not learning to swim. im greek which is another ethnic group largly effected by it and hell im a fish in the water.

[ronin2172]

GAFES chill he was not being serious....look, future marine called him an ethiopian....

currently there is an angressive recruiting operation within the dod for people who look middle eastern. they want middle eastern people in the SF so they can infiltrate enemey forces also having somone who speaks arabic is a HUGE objective in this recruiting for sf, as well as CIA, and FBI positions, i know someone who translates arabic for my mom's organization (AJC.org)
who was contacted BY the CIA and FBI askining her to work for them.

so if a middle eastern guy wanted to become sf, he would most likely be assigned to the 5th sfg where their main area of operation is the middle east?

probably but not sure, depeded on where each group was operating and what the mission consisted of , if it was just like a raid than no , but training local militia, infiltration yes

but doesn't every special forces dude train to do everything that includes raids?

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

Future Marine whats up with your avatar dude? It gives me the creeps, why the hell is that dude sniffing that chicks ass? Also please tell me that it isin't you rofl

Looks to me like some kid who got a hooker and don't quite know what to do with her. :cantbeli:

[radx]

Thanks to whoever responded. I enjoyed the pictures and the points made by everyone :)

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Staff Sgt. Kyu Chay was killed the day before his sixth wedding anniversary when a bomb went off near his Humvee in southern Afghanistan, his widow said Tuesday from their Fayetteville home.
Chay, 34, an Arabic linguist with Fort Bragg's U.S. Army Special Forces, died Saturday in the Uruzgan province, according to a Special Forces news release. The Uruzgan province has seen a rise in violence in recent months as NATO forces and the Afghan Army attempt to overtake Taliban fighters.
Cathy Chay said the center of her husband's world was their two children -- Jason, a 5-year-old who had just started kindergarten, and Kelly, 10 months old.

"He could not have been or said anything more," she said, about the affection he showed for Kelly and Jason.
He had just written a letter to Jason, who has begun to read, telling him how much he loved him.
"He was just a wonderful father and husband to me," Cathy Chay said, her voice cracking at times with emotion.
The Chays were college sweethearts at the State University of New York at Albany, said Dan Long, a friend of the couple who served alongside Kyu Chay. The couple have lived in Fayetteville for the past four or five years, moving there right before he served in Iraq.
Kyu Chay was born in South Korea and lived there until he was 7, before moving to Cincinnati and then to New York City. His hometown allegiances stuck with him as he cheered for the New York Mets and Cincinnati Bengals, Cathy Chay said.
He attended Brooklyn Law School and was finishing up his last three credits so he could become a Judge Advocate General in the service.
"He passed up law for serving in the Army," Long said.
Chay planned on spending his career in the military and was proud of serving.
"He enjoyed his job, the work that he did," Long said.
Chay will be buried at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia, in part so that his children will be able to realize his sacrifice.
"I want them, after I pass on, to always have that," Cathy Chay said.



http://www.iraqwarheroes.com/photos15/kyu_chay01sm.jpg

Also, James Suh, who died in Operation Red Wing.

http://www.missioncontinues.org/system/storage/32/543/james_suh3.jpg

rest in peace.