A History of American Accomplishments

[XASA]

The recent repetitive and sophomoric threads condemning the United States by, mostly, people who never lived in the U.S., made me think about starting a thread about its accomplishments be they social, industrial, political or military.

I'll start off with something I've had personal experience with: Berlin.

Although it was the capital city of its enemy, less than four years after the end of WWII, the U.S. and its allies, most notably the British, saved the city from communism with the Berlin Airlift. When the Wall was erected, American soldiers, along with the Brits and the French, faced down opposing East German and Russian forces that outnumbered them 10 to one.

When the Cold War was at its peak, the U.S. stood by the city by backing its existence as if it was an American city. U.S. strength and its refusal to budge from their committment to protect not only Berlin but all of Europe from Soviet invasion eventually led to the fall of communism in all of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union without a shot being fired. Today, Europe thrives and no longer requires the protection of the U.S. or Britain.

Of course, some Europeans now think they could have done it without the Marshall Plan, NATO, favorable trade treatys and hundreds of thousands of American and British troops, but most would agree Berlin, Germany and Europe would not be what it is today if a stand was not made in Berlin.

[WARPIG]

Good example. I was in Germany as an Army brat when the wall came down. The absolute giddyness and overwhelming love for All things American that the East Berliners displayed when I met them was amazing.
I remember helping a family of E. Berliners with a broken down car one day after school. We were going to ask if they needed a tow truck but they were simply out of gas. So we offered to go get gas for them but before we knew it my Opel was full of Germans and we were off to the AAFES gas station. When all was said and done I spent my whole paycheck buying snacks and American junk food on the family in return for a few pieces of the wall, a couple hits of Apfelcorn from a flask, and a new perspective of the freedoms that we all take for granted. I joined the US Army that same year.

[XASA]

I bet "freedom" wasn't an abstract term to the East Germans. People need to realize "freedom" is a new reality to the Iraqis and it'll take some time for it to register.

[pinkeye]

wonderful american accomplishments:
great music
great cinema
great literature
great art in general

[Vance]

Wars:

American Revolution
WWI
WWII
Gulf War I
War in Afghanistan

[budanski]

the internet

[WARPIG]

Not to generalize, but pointing out the obvious...
The US has succeeded to live in relative peace with all the races and cultures of the world. I am talking about within the US borders. Every race of people in the world live in the US. Aside from various isolated prejudices, we have come a long way. No other country has had the success that we have, despite the past issues of racism in our country. Many mistakes along the way and we still have quite a journy ahead but our racially diverse country is an obvious cultural success.

[pinkeye]

correction, al gore created the internet... ;)

[pinkeye]

Not to generalize, but pointing out the obvious...
The US has succeeded to live in relative peace with all the races and cultures of the world. I am talking about within the US borders. Every race of people in the world live in the US. Aside from various isolated prejudices, we have come a long way. No other country has had the success that we have, despite the past issues of racism in our country. Many mistakes along the way and we still have quite a journy ahead but our racially diverse country is an obvious cultural success.

no other country? ummm, canada? australia? great britain?

[budanski]

I'd also like to add to Warpig's post,

America has faced tough challenges before. The beauty of our system is things can change -wrongs can be righted. Thats what shapes a great country.

repost...10 things to celebrate Why I'm an anti-anti-American (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/06/29/IN290713.DTL#sections)

[Flagg]

Good example. I was in Germany as an Army brat when the wall came down. The absolute giddyness and overwhelming love for All things American that the East Berliners displayed when I met them was amazing.
I remember helping a family of E. Berliners with a broken down car one day after school. We were going to ask if they needed a tow truck but they were simply out of gas. So we offered to go get gas for them but before we knew it my Opel was full of Germans and we were off to the AAFES gas station. When all was said and done I spent my whole paycheck buying snacks and American junk food on the family in return for a few pieces of the wall, a couple hits of Apfelcorn from a flask, and a new perspective of the freedoms that we all take for granted. I joined the US Army that same year.

Nice one Warpig.......I think it's examples like that(X millions) which have created the most goodwill towards America and other successful countries.

[Deuterium]

Not to generalize, but pointing out the obvious...
The US has succeeded to live in relative peace with all the races and cultures of the world. I am talking about within the US borders. Every race of people in the world live in the US. Aside from various isolated prejudices, we have come a long way. No other country has had the success that we have, despite the past issues of racism in our country. Many mistakes along the way and we still have quite a journy ahead but our racially diverse country is an obvious cultural success.

no other country? ummm, canada? australia? great britain?

Oh yeah Canada... Just don't be black and be in the military.

[Kriz]

I'd also like to add to Warpig's post,

America has faced tough challenges before. The beauty of our system is things can change -wrongs can be righted. Thats what shapes a great country.



I think that's the beauty of a great democracy ... just my two cents :)

[mocking_loudly_died]

Hmm...great American accomplishments....damn it that’s an oxymoron!

:lol:

Okay you gave us Jerry Springer, that reminded the world that you are all crazy muthaf*ckers. ;)

[Argyll]

Jenna Jameson and Traci Lords!!!!! :lol:

[EvanL]

Not to generalize, but pointing out the obvious...
The US has succeeded to live in relative peace with all the races and cultures of the world. I am talking about within the US borders. Every race of people in the world live in the US. Aside from various isolated prejudices, we have come a long way. No other country has had the success that we have, despite the past issues of racism in our country. Many mistakes along the way and we still have quite a journy ahead but our racially diverse country is an obvious cultural success.

no other country? ummm, canada? australia? great britain?

Oh yeah Canada... Just don't be black and be in the military.

Deterium, i respect you alot but for that quote i am gonna hafta ask what you had up your ass to say something that stupid? Our country may have some racial tensions in the military but nowhere near as much as yours does. I dont even know where you got that idea from. Anyways man i dont wanna argue with you because im not mad at you, i just dont know what would make you say something so nonsensical.

[Skaman]

Not to generalize, but pointing out the obvious...
The US has succeeded to live in relative peace with all the races and cultures of the world. I am talking about within the US borders. Every race of people in the world live in the US. Aside from various isolated prejudices, we have come a long way. No other country has had the success that we have, despite the past issues of racism in our country. Many mistakes along the way and we still have quite a journy ahead but our racially diverse country is an obvious cultural success.

Ths US is hardly multic cultural-its more of a melting pot. If you consider black and spanish ghettos culture. The US encourages assimilation and conformity. Its been the American doctrine since the American Reveloution.

From Native Christianization to French assimilation in Loussinia to the blacks in the south. The only group you turn a blind eye to is the Spanish as they make up a cheap work-force great for your economy. Any Europeon or asian immigrants are typically sealed in the white envelope. Want to SEE real multiculturism, go to Canada. Thats amazing. Apart from the French...dirty sepratist bastards. Well, the 40 percent of them atleast.

[Seraphim]

And what did Canada do to the natives? The same thing. Throw them in residential schools and try to erase all of their heritage. What did Canada do to the Japanese during WW2?

[EvanL]

And what did Canada do to the natives? The same thing. Throw them in residential schools and try to erase all of their heritage. What did Canada do to the Japanese during WW2?

So how does that change multiculturalism. Go to Canada and you will see different races of people hanging out with different races of people and cultures. I dont seem to see taht here in the states. Not to say it isnt here, but its much mor alive in Canada.

[duck]

Space Shuttle
Texas BBQ
Nobu
Andy Warhol
Christopher Walken
Jodie Foster
Frank Gehry
B-2 bomber
Democracy (shared with the brits)
Bikinis
and some less important things

[StarvingStudent47]

When the United States government came together in 1789, it extended full legal equality to Jews. It was the first country on the planet to do so since Biblical times. This is not to say that it's always been smooth sailing, but that is an accomplishment worth noting.

[EvanL]

When the United States government came together in 1789, it extended full legal equality to Jews. It was the first country on the planet to do so since Biblical times. This is not to say that it's always been smooth sailing, but that is an accomplishment worth noting.

Yeh but then what happened to the blacks?

[Vance]

And what did Canada do to the natives? The same thing. Throw them in residential schools and try to erase all of their heritage. What did Canada do to the Japanese during WW2?

So how does that change multiculturalism. Go to Canada and you will see different races of people hanging out with different races of people and cultures. I dont seem to see taht here in the states. Not to say it isnt here, but its much mor alive in Canada.
You're so dumb.

[Deuterium]

Not to generalize, but pointing out the obvious...
The US has succeeded to live in relative peace with all the races and cultures of the world. I am talking about within the US borders. Every race of people in the world live in the US. Aside from various isolated prejudices, we have come a long way. No other country has had the success that we have, despite the past issues of racism in our country. Many mistakes along the way and we still have quite a journy ahead but our racially diverse country is an obvious cultural success.

no other country? ummm, canada? australia? great britain?

Oh yeah Canada... Just don't be black and be in the military.

Deterium, i respect you alot but for that quote i am gonna hafta ask what you had up your ass to say something that stupid? Our country may have some racial tensions in the military but nowhere near as much as yours does. I dont even know where you got that idea from. Anyways man i dont wanna argue with you because im not mad at you, i just dont know what would make you say something so nonsensical.

Like you said we all go through life forming our opinions based largely on our experiences.

1989, Petewawa Canada, my team and a squad Candadian ABN troops. We go downtown to party. Its Februrary. The Canadian squad makes their black soldier ride on the hood of the vehicle because black guys stink up the car. Ha ha. We stop and the Americans say this is BS. We end up getting into a long converstation about the state of affairs between True Canadians and the "others". Lets just say it wasn't pretty but a very eye opening experience for me. NOw granted this was one experience. This was also 14 years ago. I can tell you in all honesty that most of us in the US military would say that race relations are superior in the military as compared to the population in general. Maybe its the same in Canada.

[Kitsune]

@Starving Student:Before WWII the Company "Bell systems" proudly claimed to be "jewfree". Many American schools and universities had quotas how many Jews they admitted.

@Others:I hate this "list of accomplishements" as much as the list of foul-ups. XASA for example omitted the fact that not only American and British troops faced "east German and Soviet" soldiers... but also WEST German troops did the same! In fact... West Germany had the most poweful army in Europe...till the early nineties 500,000 Soldiers, inflatable to over a million. The main manpower that stood against the Warsaw pact forces were West Germans. Do not forget that!
About the Marshal plan... some Americans make itsound as if they themselves rebuild Germany. LOL. While the Marshal plan certainly was of some help...it was not that much. And not only Germany got this help. But it helped to get the German economy started...something the whole of Europe AS WELL as the US of A profited from.
And do not forget: It were American and British bombers who...needlessly...destroyed nearly all German cities...the damage done was many times as high as the Marshal plan (and the war wasn't shortened by one day. I'm not talking about the attacks on industrial plants...but the systematical eradication and killing of cities and their civilian population...a terror tactic devised by the British and followed up by the Americans).
Think about the scientific and technical secrets America got from Germany. The "German scientists" is a fixed cliche of the fifties. Without German technology and expertise Chuck Yeager would not have reached supersonic velocity in 1949 nor would Armstrong have taken a stroll on the moon in 1969 (Werner von Braun was Chief constructor of the Saturn V).

Ok this may be rambling...but I am definitly sick of those Americans who keep on stating that in general everything worthwhile that was ever achieved was done by the US...and in special that everything we Germans have, we got the US to thank for. You got as well as You gave.

You are not better. Just bigger.

[Deuterium]

And what did Canada do to the natives? The same thing. Throw them in residential schools and try to erase all of their heritage. What did Canada do to the Japanese during WW2?

So how does that change multiculturalism. Go to Canada and you will see different races of people hanging out with different races of people and cultures. I dont seem to see taht here in the states. Not to say it isnt here, but its much mor alive in Canada.

I don't know where this is coming from. I look in my neighborhood on my street. Middle-Class neighborhood, 170$-200K houses. We have a Lesbian couple(more of the buzz-cut not fantasy type), two Salt-N-Pepper families, three black couples, multiple Asian and asian-American families, and a few Hispanic families thrown in for good measure. NOw all that being said I must agree with Ducimus's point about assimilation. Our best friends, one of the HIspanic couples who lives across the street would be the first to raise a stink if someone tried to do something other than the white picket fence motiff. Of course I would say this is a strenght and not a weakness.

[StarvingStudent47]

When the United States government came together in 1789, it extended full legal equality to Jews. It was the first country on the planet to do so since Biblical times. This is not to say that it's always been smooth sailing, but that is an accomplishment worth noting.

Yeh but then what happened to the blacks?

See, this is what drives me crazy. America's history with Blacks is one of the ugliest bits of our history, at least until recently. No one contests that. But I can't say ANYTHING positive about the United States without someone posting "but what about such-and-such"? When someone posts something postive about the USA in an anti-USA thread, detractors say "quit trying to change the subject and address my point directly!" Well...go ahead.

[duck]

Kitsune: I assume you recall the german terror bombing raids on Warsaw in 1939, Rotterdam in May 1940 and the numerous attacks against british cities in 1940/41 during the Battle of Britain. It was the germans who introduced the idea of massive bombing of civilians, not the Allies.

[Deuterium]

When the United States government came together in 1789, it extended full legal equality to Jews. It was the first country on the planet to do so since Biblical times. This is not to say that it's always been smooth sailing, but that is an accomplishment worth noting.

Yeh but then what happened to the blacks?

See, this is what drives me crazy. America's history with Blacks is one of the ugliest bits of our history, at least until recently. No one contests that. But I can't say ANYTHING positive about the United States without someone posting "but what about such-and-such"? When someone posts something postive about the USA in an anti-USA thread, detractors say "quit trying to change the subject and address my point directly!" Well...go ahead.

Just be thankful we are not Germans. They are stuck with the Nazi stigma for the next millenium. Lots of good Germans now but get into a multi-national debate like this and guess which topic comes up? Hey at least we solved our problem from within.

[StarvingStudent47]

@Starving Student:Before WWII the Company "Bell systems" proudly claimed to be "jewfree". Many American schools and universities had quotas how many Jews they admitted.
My family are Russian Jews who emigrated to the United States in 1892. You do not have to lecture me about the realities of anti-Semitic discrimination in pre-1960s USA. I learned it all from my family.

But you missed my point. "Legal equality" means that the government does not consider someone to be a different type of citizen, or less of a citizen, because of their race or religion. "Legal equality" does not mean that there was no employment discrimination or even physical violence. But Europe had all those bad things too, in greater amounts than the USA. And most European countries lacked legal equality for Jews until recently. They certainly lacked it in 1789, which is what I posted.

Life was hard for my great-grandfather when he came to NYC in 1892. But the worst day in New York as a Jew was still better than the best day in Russia as a Jew. And that counts for a lot.


You are not better. Just bigger.
But we're not worse than everyone else either. And some of us get tired of hearing people say that we are.

[Deuterium]

"But we're not worse than everyone else either. And some of us get tired of hearing people say that we are."

Well said.

[Ratamacue]

So how does that change multiculturalism. Go to Canada and you will see different races of people hanging out with different races of people and cultures. I dont seem to see taht here in the states. Not to say it isnt here, but its much mor alive in Canada.

If there has only been one statement of absolute, pure bull**** I've ever heard in my life, that was it.

As for why ghettos are mainly made up of blacks and hispanics, there are reasons. For the blacks, it's because the effects of slavery in the 1800's still have consequences, mainly that there were very few wealthy black families at the end of the Civil War, which means that most of the free slaves had very few opportunities to educate themselves. Because of that, things are still showing through today because it takes quite some time for a race of slaves to go to a race of free people, especially when there are still some prejudices in the south.

For the hispanics, it's because of the fact that many are immigrants from South/Central America, a collection of countries in which many are in poverty, and because of that, many legal immigrants do not have the money to live in nice areas. We do have minimum wage laws that apply to everyone except for illegal immigrants since we cannot really keep tracks on them and what they're earning. It's not the government's fault that hispanics are "a cheap work-force great for your economy" as ducimus pointed out.

[EvanL]

And what did Canada do to the natives? The same thing. Throw them in residential schools and try to erase all of their heritage. What did Canada do to the Japanese during WW2?

So how does that change multiculturalism. Go to Canada and you will see different races of people hanging out with different races of people and cultures. I dont seem to see taht here in the states. Not to say it isnt here, but its much mor alive in Canada.
You're so dumb.

Care to back that one up vancey pants?

[Kitsune]

@duck:
it may be surprising...but it were the British who had the idea of "strategic bombing" long before WWII, whereas the German Luftwaffe was definitly NOT taylored to this. During the Battle on Britain the German Airforce was ordered only to target industrial plants and RAF bases NOT the civilian population. They had strict order to stay away from London. The famous Coventry attack for example: some hundred people killed...true. But Coventry is a Heart of the British arms industry. The bombs were aimed at the industrial plants in the city.
Only a British counterraid (targeted at a German city) made Hitler change the tactic of the Luftwaffe. They were ordered to attack British cities now (which ironically helped the RAF to recover...the Luftwaffes capabilities were overextended with the new tactic). The bombing war was started by the British...sorry.
And anyway: The Germans are evil, right? Whereas Americans are the good guys (that's what the movies say, anyway). So how can it be ok if the Americans use a certain tactic on the logic that the Germans did it, too? Does one crime really justifies the other?

@Starving Student: Sorry...Did not want to lecture You. But your post sounded very...one-sided. As if You didn't knew. Sry.


But we're not worse than erveryone else either
I agree. Wholeheartedly.

[Deuterium]

"And anyway: The Germans are evil, right?" Uh sorry to spoil your dinner but in WWII the Germans were evil. The Germans that ran the Country, the Germans that ran the military, and the Germans that stood bye and waved the flags while the Jews and the untermensch of Europe burned in the ovens and filled these collabotators noses with the fumes of genocide.

[James]

@duck:
it may be surprising...but it were the British who had the idea of "strategic bombing" long before WWII, whereas the German Luftwaffe was definitly NOT taylored to this. During the Battle on Britain the German Airforce was ordered only to target industrial plants and RAF bases NOT the civilian population. They had strict order to stay away from London. The famous Coventry attack for example: some hundred people killed...true. But Coventry is a Heart of the British arms industry. The bombs were aimed at the industrial plants in the city.
Only a British counterraid (targeted at a German city) made Hitler change the tactic of the Luftwaffe. They were ordered to attack British cities now (which ironically helped the RAF to recover...the Luftwaffes capabilities were overextended with the new tactic). The bombing war was started by the British...sorry.
And anyway: The Germans are evil, right? Whereas Americans are the good guys (that's what the movies say, anyway). So how can it be ok if the Americans use a certain tactic on the logic that the Germans did it, too? Does one crime really justifies the other?

@Starving Student: Sorry...Did not want to lecture You. But your post sounded very...one-sided. As if You didn't knew. Sry.


But we're not worse than erveryone else either
I agree. Wholeheartedly.

The Germans aren't evil today. 60 years ago, the Nazis were. They wanted total war, and they got it. Britain didn't start the war. Poland didn't start the war. Russia didn't start the war. France, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, and Norway didn't start the war. The United States certainly didn't start the war. Deal with it. Anyway, it's history - something to learn from, not argue about.

[James]

The U.S. made an immeasurable contribution to freedom in many parts of the world between 1941 and 1991. First, we helped defeat tyranny in Europe and Asia. After WWII ended, we spent 46 years doing our best to avoid another war, while at the same time contributing to the fall of tyranny in Eastern Europe.
When WWII ended, we helped the nations that had been our enemies. The Marshall plan was only a small part of it. Military alliances played a major role in rebuilding West Germany and Japan. The U.S. guaranteed their security against aggression, allowing their governments to focus resources on other things.

[Kitsune]

No "they" were not, Deuterium. Not all of "them" waved flags. And most did not know about the Holocaust.
I bet that even during the Nazi era the German citizens were not significantly more evil on average than the British or American ones.

But you are certainly not alone with your attitude, Deuterium. The Allied propaganda of WWII left deep traces...to this very day.
I know it...and it doesn't spoil my dinner. Not anymore.

[SFontaine]

So how does that change multiculturalism. Go to Canada and you will see different races of people hanging out with different races of people and cultures. I dont seem to see taht here in the states. Not to say it isnt here, but its much mor alive in Canada.

You drunk? In my school there are your Brown kids (East Indian mostly) who hang out together, your Asians who hang out together (And most jokingly, but some seriously, go on and on about how much better they are than white people) and your white guys.
I hang out with a few Asians and Brown guys but with the Asians it's always "GWAI LO GWAI LO" with your Brown guys it's "HEY ****ING WHITEY" and so on and so on.
I know a lot of it is joking but some of it is serious, and it's ****ing retarded. From what I've seen here in Canada EVERYTHING is about race, which I find ****ing retarded.

[EvanL]

Let me guess you live in Toronto? Well if you do that would explain why there like taht. Kids in Toronto try to act too much like guys in NYC and LA, by assimilating themselves into little ethnic groups to try to seem badass. No surprise.

[He219]

"And anyway: The Germans are evil, right?" Uh sorry to spoil your dinner but in WWII the Germans were evil. The Germans that ran the Country, the Germans that ran the military, and the Germans that stood bye and waved the flags while the Jews and the untermensch of Europe burned in the ovens and filled these collabotators noses with the fumes of genocide.
Gotta disagree with that assertion. The WORLD was indifferent to the plight of the Jews. Just look at the immigration policies of both Britain and the US at that time. The refugee ship St. Louis coined the phrase "a passport stamped 'J' was a passport to nowhere" and "Voyage of Damned". This indifference is precisely the reason for a Jewish homeland. Do you really believe the average German knew of Hitler's Final Solution that entailed the systematic gassing of millions? Heck, the British invented the Concentration Camps in the Boer War, not to be confused with Extermination Camps. Have you ever visited Manzinar? Remember, WWII was a direct result of WWI, and you know who started that one. No offense, I had to interdict.



So how does that change multiculturalism. Go to Canada and you will see different races of people hanging out with different races of people and cultures. I dont seem to see taht here in the states. Not to say it isnt here, but its much mor alive in Canada.
Nuts! The French and Anglo Canadians are soo close, 'eh?

As for strategic bombing, you must be confusing Air Marshall Arthur Harris' policy of 'Area Bombing' or 'Terror Bombing', kitsune. Carpet and incindeary bombing brought the destruction of civilian areas to a new level.

The real lesson is that the US rebuilds as well as we can destroy.
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[Gordon]

"And anyway: The Germans are evil, right?" Uh sorry to spoil your dinner but in WWII the Germans were evil. The Germans that ran the Country, the Germans that ran the military, and the Germans that stood bye and waved the flags while the Jews and the untermensch of Europe burned in the ovens and filled these collabotators noses with the fumes of genocide.

I'm not advocating what happened and what was done in WW2 but wanted to bring up the point about the flag waving Germans that did nothing. In many cases if they didn't do that they would be ostracized by their community and them and their families would, possibly, be destroyed ... it would have been a difficult decision to make, "pretend" to support the government and save yourself and your family or go against that government and be shot.

Just a thought about the pressures those people were under. If you were a single man / woman who disagreed with the government and wanted to do something about it, as I would, fairplay ... but when you bring into the equation that fact that if you took those steps your family and loved ones would be killed it does make a difference.

[Vance]

And what did Canada do to the natives? The same thing. Throw them in residential schools and try to erase all of their heritage. What did Canada do to the Japanese during WW2?

So how does that change multiculturalism. Go to Canada and you will see different races of people hanging out with different races of people and cultures. I dont seem to see taht here in the states. Not to say it isnt here, but its much mor alive in Canada.
You're so dumb.

Care to back that one up vancey pants?
Okay, I will:


You're wrong. So wrong.

[EvanL]

And what did Canada do to the natives? The same thing. Throw them in residential schools and try to erase all of their heritage. What did Canada do to the Japanese during WW2?

So how does that change multiculturalism. Go to Canada and you will see different races of people hanging out with different races of people and cultures. I dont seem to see taht here in the states. Not to say it isnt here, but its much mor alive in Canada.
You're so dumb.

Care to back that one up vancey pants?
Okay, I will:


You're wrong. So wrong.

I guess you have proved your point havent you? Your point being.................

[mocking_loudly_died]

I hang out with a few Asians and Brown guys but with the Asians it's always "GWAI LO GWAI LO" with your Brown guys it's "HEY f*** WHITEY" and so on and so on.

Just steal their women, like I do. :lol:

They can call me white devil but i'm shagging their sister.

[Vance]

And what did Canada do to the natives? The same thing. Throw them in residential schools and try to erase all of their heritage. What did Canada do to the Japanese during WW2?

So how does that change multiculturalism. Go to Canada and you will see different races of people hanging out with different races of people and cultures. I dont seem to see taht here in the states. Not to say it isnt here, but its much mor alive in Canada.
You're so dumb.

Care to back that one up vancey pants?
Okay, I will:


You're wrong. So wrong.

I guess you have proved your point havent you? Your point being.................
Yeah, since I'm a American High School student in Texas, and you're a Canadian that isn't.

[EvanL]

well since considering you live in texas, a majority white/hispanic state and i live in New York city, the most multi cultural city in the states possibly the world, i think i know a little bit more about it than you.

[Vance]

A majority white/hispanic state my ass. There's tons of blacks and Asians at my school. Along with Indian, and Middle Eastern. Hell, in one of my classes alone, there are whites, blacks, Indians, Middle Easterns, Asians, and hispanics. So don't preach to me about something I know about very well.

Anyways, when did you move to NYC?

[EvanL]

2000

[Vance]

No offense, but I've been living here in the US my whole life. So you might wanna cut back on the ''I know more than you because I live in NYC'' thing...

[Flagg]

Space Shuttle
Texas BBQ
Nobu
Andy Warhol
Christopher Walken
Jodie Foster
Frank Gehry
B-2 bomber
Democracy (shared with the brits)
Bikinis
and some less important things

You forgot the following:

Harley-Davidson
Drag Racing
Apollo Moonshot

[Vance]

You forgot landing on the moon!

[EvanL]

You forgot landing on the moon!

No he didnt.
He just refered to it as the Apollo moonshot.

[Ratamacue]

Evan, I lived for 15 years on Long Island (Suffolk County) and I've now been living in Colorado for about 4 months. I'm in high school. And I will quote Vance:


You're wrong. So wrong.

[Fioraon]

THE DECLORATION OF INDEPENDENTS

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES (first and second one)

America turned the world upside down with the ideals, they had spread like wild fire throughout Europe, Asia (yes even North Vietnam,) Africa, and South America. We gave power to the mob, the majority, the people of the state, and showed the entire world that it could be done (shot heard around the world anyone?) No longer do the people serve the government but the government serves the people and we struck the first domino and I'm damn proud of that. I feel like a Roman, a Greek, an Egyptian, but better.

[StarvingStudent47]

I have lived in Boulder, Colorado and Boston, Massachussetts. I currently live in Eugene, Oregon. Race relations in all places were overall very good. The problems were the exception, not the norm. In college I was close friends with African-Americans, South Asians, East Asians, Arabs, Jews, Latin-Americans, you name it. And we all hung out together, no problem.

My best friend since I was twelve is of Iranian descent. I'm of Russian Jewish descent. We've been through hell and back together. In middle school, we had a little clique that would hang out together: this Iranian-American boy, me, an Israeli kid, a Navajo kid (that's Native American for those who don't know), and a guy who was half-Japanese, half-Indian. Seriously. It sounds like some cheezy after-school special, but those were the kids I hung out with all day. And the only reason we quit hanging out was because we all went off to different high schools.

When Canadians start lecturing me about how racist and segregated American society is, I'm going to have to roll my eyes.

By the way, when I visited London, it was more racially segregated than any American city I've ever been in.

[Skaman]

Keep patting yourself on the back guys. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

USA is not an ethnically tolerant nation. Has never been, and while getting better, is still plagued with racial issues.

Someone said Hollywood and Media, yet I may be wrong. Someone want to tell me how this is a blessing? The minds of youth have been corrupted with MTV and garbage like Jackass. Compare and contrast a functional family from the 1950's to the present.

Alcohol abuse is up
Physical abuse is up
Divorce is up
Children out of wedlock is up
Church attendance is down

Essentially, American culture over the last 50 years has seen a break down in family values. I fear that much of the world cannot withstand this flood of Americanization, and will eventfully be poisoned by this horrible virus. McDonalds to Jerry Springer- America is that seed attempting to spread its filth to a clean world. Not many nations have escaped this problem; my own nation is turned upside down with American influence. The last thing this planet needs is a boring uniform populous infatuated with Hollywood and Oprah....

[Shadow]

Space Shuttle
Texas BBQ
Nobu
Andy Warhol
Christopher Walken
Jodie Foster
Frank Gehry
B-2 bomber
Democracy (shared with the brits)
Bikinis
and some less important things

LLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!! rofl I pissed my pants! rofl

And the moonlanding was a big fake!

B2 Bomber: Wow that's something to be proud of! rofl

[StarvingStudent47]

Keep patting yourself on the back guys. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

USA is not an ethnically tolerant nation. Has never been, and while getting better, is still plagued with racial issues.

Shout whatever you want from north of the border. The people who have lived it all disagree with you.


Someone said Hollywood and Media, yet I may be wrong. Someone want to tell me how this is a blessing? The minds of youth have been corrupted with MTV and garbage like Jackass.
If you want to talk about MTV, why don't you watch some MTV first. Their show "The Real World" is extremely ethnically diverse, and though the house-mates often fight, it's not because they're all different races (most of the fights are because CT is an a-hole on a power trip).


Compare and contrast a functional family from the 1950's to the present.

Alcohol abuse is up
Physical abuse is up
Divorce is up
Children out of wedlock is up
Church attendance is down

Essentially, American culture over the last 50 years has seen a break down in family values.
Well gosh, in the 1950s, African-Americans couldn't vote in many southern states. Now you've got Colin Powell and Condi Rice in the President's cabinet. Yeah, everything has gone to pot in the past 50 years :roll:

Also, I disagree that physical violence and alcohol abuse are up. I believe they are just reported more. Abused wives in 1948 had to take it. Now they have a way out, even if it is *gasp* divorce.


I fear that much of the world cannot withstand this flood of Americanization, and will eventfully be poisoned by this horrible virus. McDonalds to Jerry Springer- America is that seed attempting to spread its filth to a clean world. Not many nations have escaped this problem; my own nation is turned upside down with American influence. The last thing this planet needs is a boring uniform populous infatuated with Hollywood and Oprah....

Yeah, American pop culture is so uniform. I mean, I can't tell the difference between Britney Spears, Marilyn Manson, and Outkast... :roll:

[Skaman]

I love how the average ameican cherish bbq, hollywood, actors, and sports. HAHA

[Ratamacue]

Church attendance is down

Church attendance is down because science is discovering more and more, which means that people no longer need to go to church to have everything explained to them. What does it matter anyway? I wasn't aware that to be a good person you have to go to church.

I agree with Student. Abuse cases (alcohol, physical, ******, whatever) seem to be "up" because they are more often identified and reported, which I see as nothing but a good thing.


USA is not an ethnically tolerant nation. Has never been, and while getting better, is still plagued with racial issues.

You don't live here. You don't interact with Americans that live in America daily. You're not qualified to judge on this. Maybe that sounds arrogant of me, but it's true. Until you've lived here for several years, you have no idea how ethnicities are tolerated. Tolerance is quite good, dude, and we've all said it time and time again, yet you just don't seem to get it.


I love how the average ameican cherish bbq, hollywood, actors, and sports. HAHA

We cherish BBQ's because they are normally congregations of our family and friends. What's wrong with that. We don't really cherish Hollywood as much as we enjoy movies. What's wrong with that? We cherish actors because they provide us with entertainment in movies. What's wrong with that? As for sports, every single country on the planet has a sport in which people are fanatical. We like sports, so do Canadians, Europeans, Asians, everyone.

[StarvingStudent47]

I love how the average ameican cherish bbq, hollywood, actors, and sports. HAHA
So now you're condemning people for valuing the little things in life? Big words coming from a guy who posted a long essay about an ENVIGORATING HIKE.


oh, how imporant. How about medical achivements, nobel peace prizes, civil righs movements and advances in Multiculturism. oops....thats Canada ;)
I didn't know that Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks were Canadian. I didn't know that the Mayo Clinic was located in Canada either.


thats not entirely fair, you guys are great at science atleast, after all, you suck up the rest of the worlds doctors leaving us dry. Russia post cold war, Canada etc.

Let me put this simply. Here is the Nobel Prize official website (http://www.nobel.se/). Go through past laureates in Physics or Chemistry. More winners are from the USA than from the rest of the world combined. There's only so many ways to interpret that.

[Skaman]

Whats the american population...whats the ratio....ya, thats what I thought.

History, media, news, polls, american friends. They all speak bounds concerning american racial tolerance. I didnt need to be in WW2 to know it was an awful war. I didnt need to there at the fall of the Berlin wall to understand how joyous people were, and I dont need to live in the US to realize what going on South of my Border.


Lastly, Starving student, dont be a prick. For someone who preches so much about not making assumptions, I think you should refrain from calling the most challanging moment of my life a "nature hike"

[StarvingStudent47]

Whats the american population...whats the ratio....ya, thats what I thought.
As long as you asked, the ratio is 280 million to roughly six billion. Less than 5% of the world's population are winning more than 50% of the Nobel prizes in science.

If "ya, that's what I thought" means "I'm making an assertion that is not only factually incorrect but runs against basic common sense and elementary knowledge of world demographics," then congratulations, you were 100% right.


Lastly, Starving student, dont be a prick. For someone who preches so much about not making assumptions, I think you should refrain from calling the most challanging moment of my life a "nature hike"
I'm a pretty mellow guy. There's more Moby in me than Eminem, if you catch my drift. But sometimes, when you push and push and push, someone pushes back. Deal with it.

Anyway, you think I pushed hard back there? Grow up. You call me a prick for describing a strenuous daytrip through Canada's mountains an "envigorating hike." Well guess what? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. Read the dictionary definitions of "envigorating" and "hike" and see for yourself. There's nothing wrong with the most challenging moment of your life being a hike. A lot of people would say that. But don't whine when someone calls an apple an apple.

[duck]

Kitsune, a quote for you:

In the Dictionary of Historical Terms (1983) by Chris Cook, Schrecklichkeit
is defined as the "deliberate policy of committing atrocities to subdue a
subject people." Louis L. Snyder's Historical Guide to World War 11 (1982)
writes that "The bombing of Warsaw early in the war made it clear to the
Allies how Hitler intended to fight his war. It was to be Schrecklichkeit
('frightfulness') with no regard for the civilian population." The
Luftwaffe began the Blitzkrieg (lightning war) by destroying the Polish Air
Force on the ground, and for six days 400 German bombers. battered the city
day and night.

The next year, the Germans put an end to the Sitzkrieg (sitting war), the
period of inactivity on the Western Front between September 1939 and May
1940 called the "phony war" in. English, by employing the same policy
against the Dutch port of Rotterdam. In an act of gratuitous cruelty (the
city had already surrendered), Stuka dive-bombers leveled the center of the
city. In repeated attacks on London's civilian population througbout 1940,
German bombers killed some 30,000 people as they tried to bomb the':
population into submission I I Later that same year, when Hitler's plans
for an invasion of Britain were frustrated, he, took out his revenge on,
the city of Coventry, killing over 500 people in a ten-hour bombing raid.

The policy of terror bombing civilians in order to undermine the ability to
wage war was first systematically developed by the Italian general Giulio
Douhet. His ideas on air war had a decisive influence in shaping American
military doctrine. Colonel Summers refers to Douhet's 1921 treatise, The
Command of the Air, reprinted by the U.S. Office of Air Force. History in
1983, as a "masterwork." And a recent U.S. Air Force publication calls him
a "prophet of the air" (Thomas Greer, The Development of Air Doctrine in
the Army Air Arm 1917-1941 [1985]). What they fail to mention is that this
"prophet" was commissioner of aviation in Mussolini's fascist regime. Here
is Douhet's strategy for waging air war:

"What civil or military authority could keep order, public services
functioning, and production going under such a threat'? And even if a
semblance of order was maintained and some work done, would not the sight
of a single enemy plane be enough to stampede the population into panic? In
short, normal life would be impossible in this constant nightmare of
imminent death and destruction....
"A complete breakdown of the social structure cannot but take place in a
country subjected to this kind of merciless pounding from the air. The time
would soon come when, to put an end to horror and suffering, the people
themselves, driven by the instinct of self-preservation, would rise up and
demand an end to the war."
-quoted in Edward Earle, ed., Makers of Modern Strategy: Military Thought
from Machiavelli to Hiller (1952)

[spoonman]

if canada's so damn great then why aren't 700,000+ mexicans a year saying "**** the u.s." and heading there instead?

you watch too much damn t.v. i've lived in Chicago, Atlanta and several smaller towns over the course of my life. i have never personally witnessed any of these "racial tensions" or intolerance between different ethnicities people from other countries seem so found of pointing out.


Alcohol abuse is up
Physical abuse is up
Divorce is up
Children out of wedlock is up
Church attendance is down
i'd like to know where you got this information.

the day i find a place with as much absolute freedom as the u.s. i'll move there. until then i'll just stay here and be thankful for:
-sports teams that can become world champions without playing any teams from other countries.
-the ability to buy whatever kind if firearm i want.
-the ability to go from a second generation immigrant to a self made millionaire.
-being able to wave whatever flag i see fit to.
-being able to tell any other country in the world that "we saved your ass in ww2."
-living in a country so amazing everyone else hates us.

[Flagg]

Alcohol abuse is up
Physical abuse is up
Divorce is up
Children out of wedlock is up


You forgot:

the number of Canadian pseudo-intellectual attention whores up

[Herrmannek]

the day i find a place with as much absolute freedom as the u.s. i'll move there. until then i'll just stay here and be thankful for:
....
-being able to tell any other country in the world that "we saved your ass in ww2."
....


Tell this to Germans

[Shadow]

the day i find a place with as much absolute freedom as the u.s. i'll move there. until then i'll just stay here and be thankful for:
....
-being able to tell any other country in the world that "we saved your ass in ww2."
....


Tell this to Germans

No they don't!:P
The UK and any other country did much more for the liberation of europe then the U.S.

[Kitsune]

@duck:


"A complete breakdown of the social structure cannot but take place in a
country subjected to this kind of merciless pounding from the air. The time
would soon come when, to put an end to horror and suffering, the people
themselves, driven by the instinct of self-preservation, would rise up and
demand an end to the war."
-quoted in Edward Earle, ed., Makers of Modern Strategy: Military Thought
from Machiavelli to Hiller (1952)

This is precisely the strtegy the British used. The Germans did not. While You are right that especially against the Polish air raids were used in a quite cruel way, with disregard for the death of civilians, these were aimed at cities which were attacked and were defending themselves...lets say Air Force used as long range artillery.
The idea quoted above and used by British and Americans goes much further: Eradicating any kind of city, settlement, structure on a national level. The civilian is no innocent bystander whos death is accepted...he is the main target. Kill as many women and children as you can. Mutilate and injure as many of the survivors. Make them homeless. And hope that infections spread. Terrorize them into submission.
Well...terror was used by the Nazis as well. (Think about SS butchering the inhabitants of a french village because some of them supported the Resistance...seems quite similiar to me).
But this is quite a strategy for the "good" guys isn't it? (And by the way...it didn't work. Had the bombing been concentrated on industrial plants and supply lines, the war would probably have been over even sooner).
And for those who are so fast with condemning the Germans for what they did or what they let happen through indifference...I really like to know how many British or American bomber pilots stood up and said: "I am not going to do this! If the target would be an industrial plant...but you order me to help to systematically kill a whole city with all its inhabitants. This is a war against women and children and in this I will have no part !!!"

Very few, I bet.

In any case. If someone kills your child...it does'nt justify to kill his innocent child in retaliation. A crime is a crime.

[Vance]

Let me put this simply. Here is the Nobel Prize official website (http://www.nobel.se/). Go through past laureates in Physics or Chemistry. More winners are from the USA than from the rest of the world combined. There's only so many ways to interpret that.
I just had to say this -

http://www.nobel.se/chemistry/laureates/1998/

The man on the right, John A. Pople, is the father of my English teacher.

[duck]

Kitsune,

Have you ever read "Strahlungen" by Ernst Juenger? If not, please have a go. Interesting how a well-connected officer-writer and christian like Juenger comes to describe Hitler only as "the Devil" in his war-time diaries. Of course people knew.

[duck]

A small excerpt from http://www.juenger.org :

Juenger was no naive optimist. He was all too aware
of his contemporaries' dark side: "Today,...read
chapter 22 of St.Luke's Gospel. Christ berates his
enemies for coming to arrest him by night when he had
been teaching openly every day in the temple....'but
this is your hour and the power of darkness'...These
words apply equally well to our time and those acts of
violence concealed in a dreadful darkness." (25/12/43)
Almost a year earlier, on New Years' Eve 1942: "In
the evening we marked the New Year at Headquarters.
The level of conversation provoked a great unease in
me. General Muller gave an account of the monstrous
behaviour of our security services after the taking of
Kiev, and once again they talked of tunnels of gas and
trains loaded with Jews."
Juenger is appalled: "I was seized with disgust at
the sight of those uniforms, medals and decorations:
baubles, which I have been too much under the sway of.
The old knighthood is dead. Today's wars are conducted
by technocrats."
Then a moment of epiphany where Juenger is able to
set this dismal situation in a broader context: "I
went outside. The stars shone brightly in a sky
illuminated by the glow of artillery fire. Eternal and
faithful signs,...what are we men and our years on
this earth in the face of such splendour?"

[Beowulf]

Keep patting yourself on the back guys. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

USA is not an ethnically tolerant nation. Has never been, and while getting better, is still plagued with racial issues.

What? What do you base this on? Everyone that actually lives here has been giving you examples of racial tolerance....This statement is BS

Someone said Hollywood and Media, yet I may be wrong. Someone want to tell me how this is a blessing? The minds of youth have been corrupted with MTV and garbage like Jackass. Compare and contrast a functional family from the 1950's to the present.

I'd be willing to agree with some of this, but not the blanket statement that you make. Hollywood is not necessarily a completely corrupting influence. Media is a vague term although I'm assuming it refers to mass media, or mass communication, which is morally neutral. i.e. it's what's being communicated that could be good/bad...

Alcohol abuse is up
Physical abuse is up
Divorce is up
Children out of wedlock is up
Church attendance is down

Opinion, heresay, conjecture= BS. This is a spurious statement until you cite references.

Essentially, American culture over the last 50 years has seen a break down in family values. I fear that much of the world cannot withstand this flood of Americanization, and will eventfully be poisoned by this horrible virus. McDonalds to Jerry Springer- America is that seed attempting to spread its filth to a clean world.

Are you f-ing kidding me? You sound like Eichmann. You need to shut your c*ckholster

Not many nations have escaped this problem; my own nation is turned upside down with American influence. The last thing this planet needs is a boring uniform populous infatuated with Hollywood and Oprah....

Your posts are full of jingoistic rhetoric, assumptions, and half-truths. I find you to be an arrogant know it all punk who thinks he's hardcore b/c he did a few ruck marches in the reserve infantry, and is getting a college degree.

Hey, be proud of your service, and education, but don't be an ass about it.

Tone down the rhetoric and back up your posts with facts. Until then, IMO, you're just being an inflammatory troll, and contributing little to nothing positive to the discussion.

-B

[Fioraon]

the day i find a place with as much absolute freedom as the u.s. i'll move there. until then i'll just stay here and be thankful for:
....
-being able to tell any other country in the world that "we saved your ass in ww2."
....


Tell this to Germans

We did. We (US, UK, Russia, Poland, France, Canada, etc.) did save the world from Germany and saved Germany from the Nazi's. Is there a german who disagrees?

[Fioraon]

ducimus19, ignorance will get to you before old age. rofl

[StarvingStudent47]

We did. We (US, UK, Russia, Poland, France, Canada, etc.) did save the world from Germany and saved Germany from the Nazi's. Is there a german who disagrees?

Not to mention that we saved much of Germany from the vengeance-minded Red Army by getting there first. If not for the US and UK, all of Germany would have been East Germany. I call that saving the Germans.

[EvanL]

We did. We (US, UK, Russia, Poland, France, Canada, etc.) did save the world from Germany and saved Germany from the Nazi's. Is there a german who disagrees?

Not to mention that we saved much of Germany from the vengeance-minded Red Army by getting there first. If not for the US and UK, all of Germany would have been East Germany. I call that saving the Germans.

canadians were the first top meet the soviets in Berlin. SOldiers from the 1st Canadian Parachute division hurried to take ground before the soviets and met up with them rather than the yanks because they would have caused a rustle of feathers with the soviets.

[StarvingStudent47]

canadians were the first top meet the soviets in Berlin. SOldiers from the 1st Canadian Parachute division hurried to take ground before the soviets and met up with them rather than the yanks because they would have caused a rustle of feathers with the soviets.

Understood, but would the Canadians have ever been near Berlin on that day if the US of A hadn't blazed a trail through Normandy, through the Ardennes Forest, defeated Germany in the Battle of the Bulge, etc? I'm not saying Canada didn't contribute; I'm merely saying that the war on the Western Front wouldn't have been anything like what it was if it wasn't for the USA.

[EvanL]

It wouldnt have been done without contributions from everyoine esle as well. We can turn the tables around over and over.

[Skaman]

The war could not have been won without the USA, that is a fact. Additionaly, the war could not have been won if not for Russia, therefore, no ONE nation was the ultimate factor in creating a solid allied victory. Two nations, these two in particulaiy, turned the tide of the conflict.

[NcDeuce]

Hmm...the list of American accomplishments...
Far too many to write down


History, media, news, polls, american friends. They all speak bounds concerning american racial tolerance. I didnt need to be in WW2 to know it was an awful war. I didnt need to there at the fall of the Berlin wall to understand how joyous people were, and I dont need to live in the US to realize what going on South of my Border.

Dude, you are a f*cking moron. You don't live here. You can rant all you want about how terrible how nation is, and no one will get a rat's ass.

Hmm, let's try this...I think Canada is a toilet bowl, filled with liberal f*ck ups like you ducimus. Is that a fair statement?

[Fioraon]

He's not liberal, just a dumbass who thinks he is.

[Skaman]

He's not liberal, just a dumbass who thinks he is.

Im not a liberal, never said I was, never will be. Im centralized. Im not loyal to any one party, I simply vote for the party I deem to be the appropriate choice. If they are rational, and present a good national agenda, they have my vote. I dont like the Canadian Alliance, I hate the Liberal, and the NDP...dont even ask.

The recent merger between the Torries and Alliance has reconfirmed some faith, and I would likely vote for them. Note: Yanks need not respond unless you know something Concerning Canadain politics. ;)

[SFontaine]

Let me guess you live in Toronto? Well if you do that would explain why there like taht. Kids in Toronto try to act too much like guys in NYC and LA, by assimilating themselves into little ethnic groups to try to seem badass. No surprise.


Victoria British Columbia, prof. Sorry.

[Fioraon]

Let me guess you live in Toronto? Well if you do that would explain why there like taht. Kids in Toronto try to act too much like guys in NYC and LA, by assimilating themselves into little ethnic groups to try to seem badass. No surprise.


Victoria British Columbia, prof. Sorry.

Weed country, lol. You poison the Washington population.

[EvanL]

http://www.dieseldonkey.com/archives/retard.jpg

[XASA]

@Others:I hate this "list of accomplishements" as much as the list of foul-ups. XASA for example omitted the fact that not only American and British troops faced "east German and Soviet" soldiers... but also WEST German troops did the same! In fact... West Germany had the most poweful army in Europe...till the early nineties 500,000 Soldiers, inflatable to over a million. The main manpower that stood against the Warsaw pact forces were West Germans. Do not forget that!
About the Marshal plan... some Americans make itsound as if they themselves rebuild Germany. LOL. While the Marshal plan certainly was of some help...it was not that much. And not only Germany got this help. But it helped to get the German economy started...something the whole of Europe AS WELL as the US of A profited from.
And do not forget: It were American and British bombers who...needlessly...destroyed nearly all German cities...the damage done was many times as high as the Marshal plan (and the war wasn't shortened by one day. I'm not talking about the attacks on industrial plants...but the systematical eradication and killing of cities and their civilian population...a terror tactic devised by the British and followed up by the Americans).
Think about the scientific and technical secrets America got from Germany. The "German scientists" is a fixed cliche of the fifties. Without German technology and expertise Chuck Yeager would not have reached supersonic velocity in 1949 nor would Armstrong have taken a stroll on the moon in 1969 (Werner von Braun was Chief constructor of the Saturn V).

Ok this may be rambling...but I am definitly sick of those Americans who keep on stating that in general everything worthwhile that was ever achieved was done by the US...and in special that everything we Germans have, we got the US to thank for. You got as well as You gave.

You are not better. Just bigger.

No one was belittling the Germans; however, this thread was about "American Accomplishments". Why not start one on Germany if you feel your country was being maligned instead of lambasting America. It would be interesting to see what people think about Germany's contributions to history and culture.

Also, my example referred to Berlin. The West German Army was not allowed in Berlin per the peace treaty; in fact, young Germans moved to Berlin to avoid the draft. The only German military in Berlin were East Germans, who marched to any tune the Russians played for them.

The WWII secrets were the spoils of war that were developed by the Nazi regime to defeat the Allies. Germany lost, thank God! To think that the victors owe anything to the vanquish is naive, to say the least. The fact is that the American, British and French occupation was much more benign than any in history, and when compared to Germany's occupation during the war, it makes the latter appear even more harsh if that's possible.

Finally, the German Army did contribute to the defense of western Europe as part of Nato. The Army was raised and equipped with the assistance of its former enemies, the U.S., Great Britain and France, against the wishes of another enemy, the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union wanted to make the entire country an agricultural one devoid of industry and a military after WWII. If any country should be thankful the the U.S. and other nations for its existence, one would think that country would be Germany. Germany doesn't owe the U.S. anything, but a simple "thank you" would be nice.

[Jack Mehoff]

Yes, America is so ****ing racist that people from every corner of the earth want to live here. I have been in places like South Korea, Brazil, Vietnam, Hong Kong and the girls there just absolutely LOVE American men because they want us to bring them to America by marriage. I also have a lot of hunch-back-of-Notre-Damne look alike LDS friends who brought home beautiful foreign wives from their LDS missions.

[pinkeye]

Yes, America is so f*** racist that people from every corner of the earth want to live here. I have been in places like South Korea, Brazil, Vietnam, Hong Kong and the girls there just absolutely LOVE American men because they want us to bring them to America by marriage. I also have a lot of hunch-back-of-Notre-Damne look alike LDS friends who brought home beautiful foreign wives from their LDS missions.

the u.s. is popular because of the so-called "american dream", i.e., the perception that a poor person can become wealthy and powerful. the global reach of american culture plays an enormous role in perpetuating the "myth" of the "american dream". the u.s. is not any better than any number of post-industrialised countries, yet its popularity is unmatched. other countries do not have the same visibility. for example, by all accounts, scandinavia is terrific, probably a better place to live than the u.s. from a social point of view (social services such as health care, education), yet when was the last time you heard of the "swedish dream"?
the u.s. is deeply racist, but not moreso than any other countries. racism knows no borders...

[budanski]

The fact that you mention the "american dream" as a myth is bull****. I don't see my aunt in Germany living any better over there.

Fortunately, living in the U.S., my destiny was not given to me but made by me. Being rich (definitely not me), you could be comfortable anywhere. Here, you're allowed to live comfortable even for the "common man". Lets count what other countries have produced more self-made tycoons?

[WARPIG]

The US accomplishment in racism is that in general, racism is dying a slow painful death. Historically, the US has been beleaguered with racism despite our diverse character. Those prejudices in most part have died. The only remnants that are left are those laws that attempt to equalize racial inequities from the past.. and the cultural racisms that are simply part of the human condition.
Comparing an isolationist, neutral country like Sweden to the US is like comparing a successful family run business to Microsoft. Although the famliy business isn't without conflict the general culture is that everyone employed has a stake in the outcome of the business, and that there is little competition for work by outside job seekers. Microsoft on the other hand because of it's high visibility and popularity is bigger and more successful it also has much more responsibility. Because of the visibility it has to mirror as much of the world public as possible and so cultural diversity is a must. Much like the US a successful global business like Microsoft is not necessarily the best but much more powerful because of the popularity and success. Hence, more open to criticism.
Maybe not the best choice of an analogy but is still fairly accurate.
The US success in cultural diversity is pretty obvious. Human tendencies to hatred and segregation for race is not an American trait. As cultures from the world flock to the American dream the face of America changes. I don't know what you think the American dream promises but most of us here in the US believe it to be the opportunity to live a prosperous life and a potential to live well. This means a chance that some of us will live prosperous and some will not. That grey area changes daily, for those who were born here or for those who have just arrived.
If you think the American dream promises prosperity to all.. well you have confused that with the Communist dream.

[pinkeye]

The fact that you mention the "american dream" as a myth is bull****. I don't see my aunt in Germany living any better over there.

Fortunately, living in the U.S., my destiny was not given to me but made by me. Being rich (definitely not me), you could be comfortable anywhere. Here, you're allowed to live comfortable even for the "common man". Lets count what other countries have produced more self-made tycoons?

i don't quite understand what you are trying to argue, since i have not made any claims that life is better elsewhere per se. the "american dream" is a myth, for an immigrant can potentially be as successful in europe, canada, and australia, for example. the u.s. does not have a monopoly on opportunity. however, the fact that american culture is so pervasive, thanks to movies, etc., many immigrants see the u.s. as the of opportunity, when, in reality, they could achieve the same objectives in britain, canada, etc. people are allowed to live comfortably in any number of countries. guess what? it's not so bad in canada, europe, australia, new zealand, etc.
so the u.s. has more self-made tycoons. that in itself does not mean much, for such a claim/fact can construed differently. the u.s. is also the most important economy in the world. kinda difficult to compare the u.s. with other post-industrialised countries in terms of economic factors, demographics, social values, etc., etc. in addition, of those self-made tycoons, do we know how many are non-caucasian? immigrant? i'm asking because i don't know the answer.

[California Joe]

I blame James Dean and all those pot smoking Jazz musicians and Elvis, Oh yes, definitely Elvis.

To paraphrase Kevin Spacey in American Beauty "We Rule"

[pinkeye]

The US accomplishment in racism is that in general, racism is dying a slow painful death. Historically, the US has been beleaguered with racism despite our diverse character. Those prejudices in most part have died. The only remnants that are left are those laws that attempt to equalize racial inequities from the past.. and the cultural racisms that are simply part of the human condition.
Comparing an isolationist, neutral country like Sweden to the US is like comparing a successful family run business to Microsoft. Although the famliy business isn't without conflict the general culture is that everyone employed has a stake in the outcome of the business, and that there is little competition for work by outside job seekers. Microsoft on the other hand because of it's high visibility and popularity is bigger and more successful it also has much more responsibility. Because of the visibility it has to mirror as much of the world public as possible and so cultural diversity is a must. Much like the US a successful global business like Microsoft is not necessarily the best but much more powerful because of the popularity and success. Hence, more open to criticism.
Maybe not the best choice of an analogy but is still fairly accurate.
The US success in cultural diversity is pretty obvious. Human tendencies to hatred and segregation for race is not an American trait. As cultures from the world flock to the American dream the face of America changes. I don't know what you think the American dream promises but most of us here in the US believe it to be the opportunity to live a prosperous life and a potential to live well. This means a chance that some of us will live prosperous and some will not. That grey area changes daily, for those who were born here or for those who have just arrived.
If you think the American dream promises prosperity to all.. well you have confused that with the Communist dream.

racism in the u.s. is dying a slow painful death? i wonder if the average black male would share your view. and the many non-caucasians that i know would certainly disgree with you. but like i said in my post, racism is not an american problem. read the post before responding!!

what i think of the american dream? if i think the "american dream" promises prosperity for all? have you actually read my initial post? do you understand what i wrote? am i missing something? sheesh, is too much to expect people to actually read and understand posts before responding?!!?
i have not made any personal observations vis-a-vis said concept/myth. your post reiterates what i have written, that many people around the world view the u.s. as the land of opporunity, despite the fact that those same opportunities are available in canada, australia, etc. but the concept of the "american dream" is so pervasive that many immigrants opt for the u.s.
your analogy is flawed in the context of my initial post. and just so you know, scandinavian countries are diverse. i spent time in helsinki and although not as diverse as new york for obvious reasons, the ethno-cultural make-up of the city was not homogenous. again, i strongly suggest you read and think about what others have written before typing a response.

[pinkeye]

I blame James Dean and all those pot smoking Jazz musicians and Elvis, Oh yes, definitely Elvis.

To paraphrase Kevin Spacey in American Beauty "We Rule"

and don't forget baywatch, which was the most popular show in the world when it aired. recently read that baywatch egyptian-style is in the works.

[California Joe]

As a white male that goes about his daily life as a husband and father etc. like everyone I know I can honestly say that I don't offend anyone or create an atmosphere of racism in this country. I genuinely like the black, asian, hispanic etc. people I know. Except Budanski. But I digress. I don't have time to worry about what some assh*le black guy that's busy drinking 40's and listening to Fitty Cent thinks about my motivations in my daily existence.

[Deuterium]

Hey Pinky, I don't notice any 40 year old immigrants going through Medical school in England or Germany. That is stil a possibility here in AMerica and IS happening as we speak. America is one of the few countries that ALLOWS and SUPPORTS the potential of its citizens. Will AMerica provide prosperity to all imigrants? Hell no and we don't want to. What we want is a system that rewards hard-work and talent. Go to your small dorf in Bavaria and go to the local stores. How many are owned by immigrants? Go to your small store in bum**** Kansas. Tell me there isn't an American dream. No arguement on the racism part though.

[budanski]

As a white male that goes about his daily life as a husband and father etc. like everyone I know I can honestly say that I don't offend anyone or create an atmosphere of racism in this country. I genuinely like the black, asian, hispanic etc. people I know. Except Budanski. But I digress. I don't have time to worry about what some assh*le black guy that's busy drinking 40's and listening to Fitty Cent thinks about my motivations in my daily existence.

I'm taking you off my "token" white friend list.

[California Joe]

Racist.

[Trigger]

****less19 wrote:

I think you should refrain from calling the most challanging moment of my life a "nature hike"
My fellow Americans already refuted you eariler rubbish, but I think the most challenging moment of your life is your weekly spelling test. p-)

[Deuterium]

****less19 wrote:

I think you should refrain from calling the most challanging moment of my life a "nature hike"
My fellow Americans already refuted you eariler rubbish, but I think the most challenging moment of your life is your weekly spelling test. p-)

Sorry Duci but that was priceless... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Skaman]

****less19 wrote:

I think you should refrain from calling the most challanging moment of my life a "nature hike"
My fellow Americans already refuted you eariler rubbish, but I think the most challenging moment of your life is your weekly spelling test. p-)

Check for spelling in my essay, go for it...cmon. You know you wanna, its your number one grounds for ahem... argument "cough cough"

Lets see, we have trigger, the web designer, critcizing me, a soldier in the reserves, one of only three to climb to the top of mt. lady macdonald. Am I intimidated by Tiggers miniscule comments about "grammar" hardly. Look bud, no ones impressed, so you might as well go back to your lazy-boy, keep your hand tighty packed up the Admins ass and keep your bull **** to yourself, you imputent whelp.

[Fioraon]

You just dont know when to shut up and take a hint. We are helping you.

[Trigger]

douchebag19 whined:

Lets see, we have trigger, the web designer, critcizing me, a soldier in the reserves, one of only three to climb to the top of mt. lady macdonald. Am I intimidated by Tiggers miniscule comments about "grammar" hardly. Look bud, no ones impressed, so you might as well go back to your lazy-boy, keep your hand tighty packed up the Admins ass and keep your bull **** to yourself, you imputent whelp.
...and the ****** monologues continue...
1. I'm not a web designer even though you've made that assumption over and over again. Assumtion seems to be your true calling because it's the only thing you are able to do consistently well.
2. You assume that because I employ a computer for my daily work that I'm a pencil necked geek who would be utterly defenseless against a Herculean warrior like yourself.
3. I have no control over Hood's bowel movements and really have no idea why you would say something alluding to that.
4. You must have forgotten the PM you sent me. Here I'll refresh your memory:

I suggest you end your chirping you peti web designer, because the war is on.
Yes the war is on and you apparently can't handle the incoming.
Whine on little bitch, whine on. rofl

[California Joe]

Look Trig, I signed us up for the next While You Were Out! ;)

Douchimus, did you know they make maxipads for thongs now? Shut it.

[Skaman]

douchebag19 whined:

Lets see, we have trigger, the web designer, critcizing me, a soldier in the reserves, one of only three to climb to the top of mt. lady macdonald. Am I intimidated by Tiggers miniscule comments about "grammar" hardly. Look bud, no ones impressed, so you might as well go back to your lazy-boy, keep your hand tighty packed up the Admins ass and keep your bull **** to yourself, you imputent whelp.
...and the ****** monologues continue...
1. I'm not a web designer even though you've made that assumption over and over again. Assumtion seems to be your true calling because it's the only thing you are able to do consistently well.
2. You assume that because I employ a computer for my daily work that I'm a pencil necked geek who would be utterly defenseless against a Herculean warrior like yourself.
3. I have no control over Hood's bowel movements and really have no idea why you would say something alluding to that.
4. You must have forgotten the PM you sent me. Here I'll refresh your memory:

I suggest you end your chirping you peti web designer, because the war is on.
Yes the war is on and you apparently can't handle the incoming.
Whine on little bitch, whine on. rofl


Look tigga, your a tool, its not my fault. Maybe you have ****ty parents, maybe all the kids picked on you. I really dont care. Basically, this is preety firm; here forth, save your verbal crap for your trailer trash wife while you dirty talk her, pounding her on your beer stained matress.

[California Joe]

Damn man, you really are nearly illiterate, borderline retarded aren't you.

[XASA]

Ducimus trys to poison every thread with his psychotic rants. The Technical English course he's taking doesn't seem to teaching him anything, either.

I'd tell him to take a hike, but if I did, he'd probably post another boring essay on how it changed his life.

[Trigger]

duh19 wrote:

look tigga, your a tool, its not my fault. Maybe you have ****ty parents, maybe all the kids picked on you. I really dont care, so..basically, this is preety firm, here forth, save your verbal crap for your trailer trash wife when you dirty talk her, pouding her on your beer stained matress.
Yes, I'm a tool. Specifically a pipe wrench that keeps smacking you upside your empty head.
No, my parents are actually really cool people, unlike the anonymous sperm donor and crack whore you call mom and dad.
No, I was Prom King in high school (you know, the longest 6 years of your life)
'Preety firm' 'here forth'? are you trying out for the role of 'The Architect' in the next 'Matrix' film? Newsflash: it's a trilogy that means that number 3, the one in theaters right now is the last one. Sorry.
'Trailer Trash', 'dirty talk', beer stained matress'? F**K! I forgot to turn my webcam off again! Oh wait, I forgot you get all your American culture info from Jerry Springer.
Is that all you got? Come on nature boy, you can do better than that! You must be turning beet red with rage right about now. Thanks for the BDA.
You must be attending college via some kind of mentally handicapped program. You know 'hire the handicapped, they're fun to watch'.

[StarvingStudent47]

Ducimus trys to poison every thread with his psychotic rants. The Technical English course he's taking doesn't seem to teaching him anything, either.

I'd tell him to take a hike, but if I did, he'd probably post another boring essay on how it changed his life.

:D :lol: rofl

[spier]

And I who thought Canada was North Americas better half..

Anyway, thought this one was pretty priceless:

What we want is a system that rewards hard-work and talent. All it takes to reduce this argument into a laughing stock is one single abbreviation: GWB.

The idiocy of the author of that quote shouldn't be underestimated either.. :roll:

[California Joe]

spier, what are your thoughts on metro******s?

[WARPIG]

Wholly cow! Who pissed in Dicamus19's Cornflakes?
Did someone make the little bitch mad or is he having another allergic reaction to gerbil fur?
Who said ****inmuhass is taking a Technical English class? He must be taking it in Quebec because; someone is purposely sabotaging his writing skills.

I was wondering when the whole "prove me wrong" bull**** would sink in and he would resort to personal flames. Cool. I'm down for that too.
What is that expression.......douchamus19... "came to a battle of whits unarmed?" :backhand:

[Trigger]

*zips up fly, raises hand* :D

[pinkeye]

Hey Pinky, I don't notice any 40 year old immigrants going through Medical school in England or Germany. That is stil a possibility here in AMerica and IS happening as we speak. America is one of the few countries that ALLOWS and SUPPORTS the potential of its citizens. Will AMerica provide prosperity to all imigrants? Hell no and we don't want to. What we want is a system that rewards hard-work and talent. Go to your small dorf in Bavaria and go to the local stores. How many are owned by immigrants? Go to your small store in f*** Kansas. Tell me there isn't an American dream. No arguement on the racism part though.

damn, some of you have serious problems reading and understanding posts. i have not said nor do i believe that the "american dream" will provide loads of cash and a big house for everyone. some immigrants, however, are under the impression that this is the case, that immigrating to the u.s. is a guarantee of success, hence the popularity of the u.s.
the "american dream", i.e., the perception that the u.s. offers opportunity to anyone and everyone, can just as easily be found in canada, europe, australia, etc. the u.s. doesn't have a monopoly on opportunity. i am the son of an immigrant, so i think i know what i am talking about.
i don't know if every little town in bavaria has immigrant-owned enterprises, but i can assure you that immigrants own businesses in europe. i know because i have been to europe many times and i have seen and visited such commerces.
you don't notice 40-year old immigrants in england and germany going to medical school? i'm shocked that you could make such a claim. there are thousands of skilled immigrants working in european hospitals, engineering firms, etc. many have to return to medical school, for example, because their degrees are not recognised. the demographic problems gripping post-industrialised countries has resulted in the skilled immigrant labour force becoming ever more important. seriously, i suggest reading a newspaper or picking up a current affairs magazine once in a while. immigrants do go to medical school in england. they do go to university to study astrophysics in germany. immigrants in australia do start their own businesses. some of you have such a skewed, american-centric view... canada is not a third world country. neither is england. same deal with australia.

the point of my initial post, which many have you have failed to understand, is that the u.s. is a great place to live in, but the same opportunities can be found in many countries. due to the popularity and pervasiveness of american culture, the u.s. is the natural choice for many immigrants, but they could just as easily "make it" in canada, europe, australia, new zealand, etc. and the fact of the matter is that many immigrants do well for themselves in these countries. but since belgium et al. do not enjoy the same prominence as the u.s., more immigrants are likely to select the u.s. for their new home.

[spier]

spier, what are your thoughts on metro******s?As long as people don't comment on my way of living, I won't comment on theirs.

But, since a certain metro****** individual did happen to comment on my hair(or lack thereof) the other day: hypocrites and herd animals.*

*not saying they are bad people, but that is two "qualities" most of them seem to posess that I don't particulary admire..

[WARPIG]

The US accomplishment in racism is that in general, racism is dying a slow painful death. Historically, the US has been beleaguered with racism despite our diverse character. Those prejudices in most part have died. The only remnants that are left are those laws that attempt to equalize racial inequities from the past.. and the cultural racisms that are simply part of the human condition.
Comparing an isolationist, neutral country like Sweden to the US is like comparing a successful family run business to Microsoft. Although the famliy business isn't without conflict the general culture is that everyone employed has a stake in the outcome of the business, and that there is little competition for work by outside job seekers. Microsoft on the other hand because of it's high visibility and popularity is bigger and more successful it also has much more responsibility. Because of the visibility it has to mirror as much of the world public as possible and so cultural diversity is a must. Much like the US a successful global business like Microsoft is not necessarily the best but much more powerful because of the popularity and success. Hence, more open to criticism.
Maybe not the best choice of an analogy but is still fairly accurate.
The US success in cultural diversity is pretty obvious. Human tendencies to hatred and segregation for race is not an American trait. As cultures from the world flock to the American dream the face of America changes. I don't know what you think the American dream promises but most of us here in the US believe it to be the opportunity to live a prosperous life and a potential to live well. This means a chance that some of us will live prosperous and some will not. That grey area changes daily, for those who were born here or for those who have just arrived.
If you think the American dream promises prosperity to all.. well you have confused that with the Communist dream.

racism in the u.s. is dying a slow painful death? i wonder if the average black male would share your view. and the many non-caucasians that i know would certainly disgree with you. but like i said in my post, racism is not an american problem. read the post before responding!!

what i think of the american dream? if i think the "american dream" promises prosperity for all? have you actually read my initial post? do you understand what i wrote? am i missing something? sheesh, is too much to expect people to actually read and understand posts before responding?!!?
i have not made any personal observations vis-a-vis said concept/myth. your post reiterates what i have written, that many people around the world view the u.s. as the land of opporunity, despite the fact that those same opportunities are available in canada, australia, etc. but the concept of the "american dream" is so pervasive that many immigrants opt for the u.s.
your analogy is flawed in the context of my initial post. and just so you know, scandinavian countries are diverse. i spent time in helsinki and although not as diverse as new york for obvious reasons, the ethno-cultural make-up of the city was not homogenous. again, i strongly suggest you read and think about what others have written before typing a response.
First of all you should consider what WARPIG might say before creating a post!! Just kidding! rofl I know what your post is about.. I was just replying to other opinions in this thread.
BTW I am one of those non-Caucasians, and I have asked the average black man, and I speak to quite a few Hispanic immigrants on a daily basis. I have also lived in Europe for better than 7 years.. my point.. I think I have a pretty clear picture on what my country's accomplishments are. Racism as a country is dead. Racism in general will never die. I get that maybe you won't agree to my analogy.. but my point was that comparing the two countiries isn't accurate at all. You should have read the whole statement. It was pretty general. If you want specific accomplishments.. well, I will do that as well.

[California Joe]

Damn Warpig, I'm telling Uncle Strom. Oh wait..... ;)

spier are you receeding? You should condition more, and maybe a hot oil treatment......

[Skaman]

so much for intelect...i guess I "assumed to much". Flame war, I think not. Im above that, il let this settle. Trigger and his band of cursive sheep can carry on with their macho desktop jockey lingo. This is a serious waste of time arguging with some hard on army freaks. Its not even a political debate...so whats the point? adieu...
I will continue on with my posts. If any of you have the time to get out of your petti circle of brown nosing, I will listen

[California Joe]

You butcher the English language and then claim the intellectual high ground. It's not possible. Perceptions.

Allow me to enlighten you with my own personal philosophy.

Stop, Drop, and Roll.

[Fioraon]

Not to generalize, but pointing out the obvious...
The US has succeeded to live in relative peace with all the races and cultures of the world. I am talking about within the US borders. Every race of people in the world live in the US. Aside from various isolated prejudices, we have come a long way. No other country has had the success that we have, despite the past issues of racism in our country. Many mistakes along the way and we still have quite a journy ahead but our racially diverse country is an obvious cultural success.

Ths US is hardly multic cultural-its more of a melting pot. If you consider black and spanish ghettos culture. The US encourages assimilation and conformity. Its been the American doctrine since the American Reveloution.

From Native Christianization to French assimilation in Loussinia to the blacks in the south. The only group you turn a blind eye to is the Spanish as they make up a cheap work-force great for your economy. Any Europeon or asian immigrants are typically sealed in the white envelope. Want to SEE real multiculturism, go to Canada. Thats amazing. Apart from the French...dirty sepratist bastards. Well, the 40 percent of them atleast.

Learn your history dumbass, research Irish and Scottish immigrantion to America during the mid 1800's. :slap:

[pinkeye]

[.[/quote]
First of all you should consider what WARPIG might say before creating a post!! Just kidding! rofl I know what your post is about.. I was just replying to other opinions in this thread.
BTW I am one of those non-Caucasians, and I have asked the average black man, and I speak to quite a few Hispanic immigrants on a daily basis. I have also lived in Europe for better than 7 years.. my point.. I think I have a pretty clear picture on what my country's accomplishments are. Racism as a country is dead. Racism in general will never die. I get that maybe you won't agree to my analogy.. but my point was that comparing the two countiries isn't accurate at all. You should have read the whole statement. It was pretty general. If you want specific accomplishments.. well, I will do that as well. [/quote]

racism as a country? i have no idea what you are talking about. as i said, racism knows no borders, so while the u.s. has a terrible history in this regard, name a country that doesn't. unfortunately, racism is still very much a reality in the u.s. and elsewhere.
your analogy may be relevant in addressing other opinions, but it was heavily flawed in the context of my initial post. and i assume you were referring to said post because you included sweden. frankly, your analogy makes little sense because sweden, while certainly more homogenous than the u.s. (for various reasons), is a culturally- and ethnically-diverse country. there are close to one million immigrants (first-generation), with a further 700,000 who have at least one parent born in another country. in other words, sweden, like many countries, is multi-cultural.
if your post was general, then you should avoid making specific references to other posts.

[WARPIG]

I am quite knowledgeable about American history. You should try quoting some. My spelling is also pretty good...you bumbass!
BTW my Irish immigrant family is integrating pretty good these days. If your going to sharpshoot my opinion, you'd better aim a little higher. If you just want to disagree.. cool. I respect that. But like I said... If you want to sharpshoot you better know what the hell your talking about.
For instance, my mother's family is asian..I personally have no recent memory of living in an envelope. Spanish immigrants are few and far between here in the US. Mexican and South American newcomers are flocking in and make up a such a large part of our culture that it is predicted that Spanish is going to be spoken more than English in the near future. I happen to be engaged to a Venezuelan who had a choice of living in the upper class of the oil rich country or to come to America and try to make a stake on her own. Pretty diverse for such a racially opressive country huh.. bumbass!

[WARPIG]

I guess your post got highjacked into this culture debate. If you don't agree that the US cultural diversity is an accomplishment.. that is cool. I have traveled enough and have enough cultural contact to feel strong in my opinion. I never stated that the US has a good history with other cultures.. the accomplishment is where we are today!
Sorry for the tangent. I do have something to add to the US accomplishments though. ... Tomorrow.

[Jack Mehoff]

Ths US is hardly multic cultural-its more of a melting pot. If you consider black and spanish ghettos culture. The US encourages assimilation and conformity. Its been the American doctrine since the American Reveloution.

From Native Christianization to French assimilation in Loussinia to the blacks in the south. The only group you turn a blind eye to is the Spanish as they make up a cheap work-force great for your economy. Any Europeon or asian immigrants are typically sealed in the white envelope. Want to SEE real multiculturism, go to Canada. Thats amazing. Apart from the French...dirty sepratist bastards. Well, the 40 percent of them atleast.

I have to disagree with your dumbass statement.

Sign from an Asian-Scottish American

[Trigger]

so much for intelect...i guess That's what I say every time you post I "assumed to much". Flame war, I think not. Im above that, il let this settle. Trigger and his band of cursive sheep can carry on with their macho desktop jockey lingo I always wanted a band of my own. This is a serious waste of time arguging with some hard on army freaks You're the one who always waves your f**ing resume in front of our faces. Its not even a political debate...so whats the point? adieu...
I will continue on with my posts. If any of you have the time to get out of your petti circle of brown nosing, I will listen Well let's all line up an kiss your ass
pussy

[pinkeye]

I guess your post got highjacked into this culture debate. If you don't agree that the US cultural diversity is an accomplishment.. that is cool. I have traveled enough and have enough cultural contact to feel strong in my opinion. I never stated that the US has a good history with other cultures.. the accomplishment is where we are today!
Sorry for the tangent. I do have something to add to the US accomplishments though. ... Tomorrow.

what post are you referring to? i don't think anyone has criticised american cultural diversity. some may point to continued problems in the u.s., but those same problems are found everywhere and are not exclusive to the u.s.

[California Joe]

Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinkeye?

I think so Brain, but why would Adam be looking at my bottom?

[USMarine3521]

Ths US is hardly multic cultural-its more of a melting pot. If you consider black and spanish ghettos culture. The US encourages assimilation and conformity. Its been the American doctrine since the American Reveloution.

From Native Christianization to French assimilation in Loussinia to the blacks in the south. The only group you turn a blind eye to is the Spanish as they make up a cheap work-force great for your economy. Any Europeon or asian immigrants are typically sealed in the white envelope. Want to SEE real multiculturism, go to Canada. Thats amazing. Apart from the French...dirty sepratist bastards. Well, the 40 percent of them atleast.


this actually made me laugh, my family assimilated into American culture?!?! rofl rofl rofl

I'm Filipino-American, if you want some examples let me know

[Fioraon]

I am quite knowledgeable about American history. You should try quoting some. My spelling is also pretty good...you bumbass!
BTW my Irish immigrant family is integrating pretty good these days. If your going to sharpshoot my opinion, you'd better aim a little higher. If you just want to disagree.. cool. I respect that. But like I said... If you want to sharpshoot you better know what the hell your talking about.
For instance, my mother's family is asian..I personally have no recent memory of living in an envelope. Spanish immigrants are few and far between here in the US. Mexican and South American newcomers are flocking in and make up a such a large part of our culture that it is predicted that Spanish is going to be spoken more than English in the near future. I happen to be engaged to a Venezuelan who had a choice of living in the upper class of the oil rich country or to come to America and try to make a stake on her own. Pretty diverse for such a racially opressive country huh.. bumbass!

Real smooth, but I wasn't even talking to you... :cantbeli:

[WARPIG]

whoops.. sorry
Got started on a rant and the shot gun came out.
Should have known it was dicamus19 with the misinformation
:cantbeli: