What Are The Benefits of Joining Special Forces?

[samjung23]

I don't want this to turn into my other "Why do we Have Marines" thread, but I'm watching this National Geographic Channel show on Navy Seals Hell Week INDOC or whatever it's called, and I wonder why these dudes put up with so much crap to do this job. I mean, yes, there is national pride, but I hear the money isn't so great; in fact, it's more or less the same as any other soldier/sailor/Marine/air force crewman, etc., especially if they're serving in a combat zone.

Are Special Forces paid a special sum that isn't officially disclosed? Are there special privileges...luxurious accomodations, lobster dinners behind closed doors...the works? I know of course, about the Private Military companies and the lucrative jobs, but does every SF guy that leaves get those? Do they get special treatment in the private sector?

I mean, I would think, if I joined any branch service, that I would just want to serve, do by specific job and make my money, rather than busting my butt in SF and earning...the same pay. Looking at the training and pain that these SF guys go through, regular pay would not be enough to motivate me to go through that...

[EvanL]

You can grow a wicked beard and wear sweet oakleys

[memphiz]

Delta force drives Rolce Royces

[Aerosoul]

You can grow a wicked beard and wear sweet oakleys

That's all ya need to know.

[Aerosoul]

I mean, I would think, if I joined any branch service, that I would just want to serve, do by specific job and make my money, rather than busting my butt in SF and earning...the same pay. Looking at the training and pain that these SF guys go through, regular pay would not be enough to motivate me to go through that...

Someone's gotta do it. And to do the jobs SOF do, you gotta be the best. And that comes with training.

[samjung23]

I mean, I would think, if I joined any branch service, that I would just want to serve, do by specific job and make my money, rather than busting my butt in SF and earning...the same pay. Looking at the training and pain that these SF guys go through, regular pay would not be enough to motivate me to go through that...

Someone's gotta do it. And to do the jobs SOF do, you gotta be the best. And that comes with training.

But where's the financial motivation? Something's gotta get the best talent to come and tryout??!!

[Aerosoul]

I mean, I would think, if I joined any branch service, that I would just want to serve, do by specific job and make my money, rather than busting my butt in SF and earning...the same pay. Looking at the training and pain that these SF guys go through, regular pay would not be enough to motivate me to go through that...

Someone's gotta do it. And to do the jobs SOF do, you gotta be the best. And that comes with training.

But where's the financial motivation? Something's gotta get the best talent to come and tryout??!!

They don't do it for money, dude. The SOF community is full of (I would think) the people who love their country the most. So, money is not the motivation. We're not all capatalists, ya know?

[Knutsen]

But where's the financial motivation?

Money isn't everything.........

[samjung23]

But where's the financial motivation?

Money isn't everything.........

Say that until you have to try and recruit someone for a job...think a doctor would work for 5.15 an hour? Then why would a highly-talented soldier join a extremely stressful, technical SF unit for the same pay as his previous job?

[CG51]

I don't want this to turn into my other "Why do we Have Marines" thread, but I'm watching this National Geographic Channel show on Navy Seals Hell Week INDOC or whatever it's called, and I wonder why these dudes put up with so much crap to do this job. I mean, yes, there is national pride, but I hear the money isn't so great; in fact, it's more or less the same as any other soldier/sailor/Marine/air force crewman, etc., especially if they're serving in a combat zone.

some people have pride in their work...

[Germaine]

I mean, I would think, if I joined any branch service, that I would just want to serve, do by specific job and make my money, rather than busting my butt in SF and earning...the same pay. Looking at the training and pain that these SF guys go through, regular pay would not be enough to motivate me to go through that...

Someone's gotta do it. And to do the jobs SOF do, you gotta be the best. And that comes with training.

But where's the financial motivation? Something's gotta get the best talent to come and tryout??!!

They don't do it for money, dude. The SOF community is full of (I would think) the people who love their country the most. So, money is not the motivation. We're not all capatalists, ya know?
I think the benefits u get are knowing ur the best from country and only the select few can make it and do the job

[11F5S]

I mean, I would think, if I joined any branch service, that I would just want to serve, do by specific job and make my money, rather than busting my butt in SF and earning...the same pay. Looking at the training and pain that these SF guys go through, regular pay would not be enough to motivate me to go through that...



But where's the financial motivation?

Money isn't everything.........

Say that until you have to try and recruit someone for a job...think a doctor would work for 5.15 an hour? Then why would a highly-talented soldier join a extremely stressful, technical SF unit for the same pay as his previous job?



It's something guys like you will never understand...so there isn't any sense in wasting the time trying to explain it to you.

[supercontra]

But where's the financial motivation?

Money isn't everything.........

Say that until you have to try and recruit someone for a job...think a doctor would work for 5.15 an hour? Then why would a highly-talented soldier join a extremely stressful, technical SF unit for the same pay as his previous job?
As one SEAL put it in an inteview
-Because we get to blow **** up, parchute, dive and shoot guns. And some stupid SOB is paying us to do it.

[expat007]

Chicks dig scars.

[PvtPyle]

We had a soldier resign his commision as a Major, go back to SSG, leave his job as head of a large portion of a big hospital in Miami Dade in order to out with his team mates. He left a high 6 figure a year job to go with the guys he loved, to do a job he loved. Ultimately it cost him his life.

So yeah, doctors can be recruited for a small fraction of what they make in the civilian world.

If you have to ask this question I fear no explanation would make you understand.

[Beowulf]

I mean, I would think, if I joined any branch service, that I would just want to serve, do by specific job and make my money, rather than busting my butt in SF and earning...the same pay. Looking at the training and pain that these SF guys go through, regular pay would not be enough to motivate me to go through that...



But where's the financial motivation?

Money isn't everything.........

Say that until you have to try and recruit someone for a job...think a doctor would work for 5.15 an hour? Then why would a highly-talented soldier join a extremely stressful, technical SF unit for the same pay as his previous job?



It's something guys like you will never understand...so I won't waste my time trying to explain it.

x2

[Aerosoul]

^^ Yeah.


And Pat Tillman is another example.

[samjung23]

Perhaps I should restate my question in a clearer way, and towards the intended audience.

Anyone that has known a SF soldier personally, been one, married to one, written paychecks, worked in the Pentagon, etc., do you know what benefits these guys get for their positions?

No offense to the other posters, but I don't believe the answer is American patriotism. Every soldier had damn well better be fighting for America, lol!

I think a sense of pride and accomplishment would cover 25% of the guys that join special forces, but pay and special privileges has to cover the other 75%. I can imagine plenty of applicants saying, well, I'd love to join that elite Seals unit, but if I'm getting the same pay for going through that hazing, training and danger, then I'd better get more money and privileges, or else I'm happy just refueling F/A 18's on carriers!

[OzMan]

Some guys get a rush from pushing themselves beyond their limits.

Some guys love conquering a challenge that everyone else said they couldn't do. Some see the pass/fail rate in training as 1/10 and say to themselves, "That 1 guy is going to be me."

Some guys don't give a sh*t about money.

Some guys have a family history in SF.

Some guys are just damn proud to do what they do and it makes themselves feel good.

And other guys just love to blow sh*t up and get paid to jump out of planes.

[the_janitor]

Some guys get a rush from pushing themselves beyond their limits.

Some guys love conquering a challenge that everyone else said they couldn't do. Some see the pass/fail rate in training as 1/10 and say to themselves, "That 1 guy is going to be me."

Some guys don't give a sh*t about money.

Some guys have a family history in SF.

Some guys are just damn proud to do what they do and it makes themselves feel good.

And other guys just love to blow sh*t up and get paid to jump out of planes.

x2 even tough it sounds a tad cheesy. If money is your motivation, go for business studies or be a lawyer or something but don't join the military. I reckon some guys get a rush out of doing things that most people would never even think about doing ...

[szr]

I think a sense of pride and accomplishment would cover 25% of the guys that join special forces, but pay and special privileges has to cover the other 75%.They're entrusted with the responsibility of carrying out some of the nations most sensitive and secretive defense-related activities. That's enough of a privilege for those people who are cut-out for the job. There's no shortage of people who think that's more than enough of an incentive to go through the pipe.


I can imagine plenty of applicants saying, well, I'd love to join that elite Seals unit, but if I'm getting the same pay for going through that hazing, training and danger, then I'd better get more money and privileges, or else I'm happy just refueling F/A 18's on carriers!And such people will remain F/A-18 refuelers and never become SEALs.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Flip out in supermarkets and kill people.

[samjung23]

Flip out in supermarkets and kill people.

That is so wrong!

I don't think they teach you how to do that in SF!

[NcDeuce]

If you're joining the military for the money, you'll be disappointed.

If you're wanting to join Special Forces for the money, chances are you don't have what it takes to make it through. Seriously, money? WTF?

[11F5S]

Perhaps I should restate my question in a clearer way, and towards the intended audience.

Anyone that has known a SF soldier personally, been one, married to one, written paychecks, worked in the Pentagon, etc., do you know what benefits these guys get for their positions?

No offense to the other posters, but I don't believe the answer is American patriotism. Every soldier had damn well better be fighting for America, lol!

I think a sense of pride and accomplishment would cover 25% of the guys that join special forces, but pay and special privileges has to cover the other 75%. I can imagine plenty of applicants saying, well, I'd love to join that elite Seals unit, but if I'm getting the same pay for going through that hazing, training and danger, then I'd better get more money and privileges, or else I'm happy just refueling F/A 18's on carriers!

Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.

[Flagg]

I think they do it for the considerably larger ammunition and expendables budget. ;)

Getting to shoot multiple TIMES as much and as often [INSERT EVERY MAN PORTABLE WEAPONS SYSTEM IN INVENTORY HERE] is the business from an infanteer's perspective.

That and the secret decoder ring....can't forget the decoder ring

[usm2b]

If 60mins does a special on your team you can bang Lara Logan ;) p-)

[Laconian]

The financial "bennies" that go with SF (and there are some: jump pay, det pat, hazardous duty pay when appropriate do not add up to that much anyway) are not the prime reasons warriors show up and put in for these duties. The REAL benefits are the internal rewards. Even the men themselves sometimes have a hard time putting their motivations into words. A sense of duty, love of country, the honor of being a professional soldier, the thrill of the job; what draws each man into SF or other dangerous professions is probably as varied as each man's fingerprint.

Its not always about money. Sometimes its just about the job and being part of something bigger than yourself.

[Aerosoul]

Sam still doesn't seem to understand.


We're not all capitalists. And they don't join for money. Why would someone join a job if all they want is money when they're gonna get shot at on deployment? :bash:

[samjung23]

If you're joining the military for the money, you'll be disappointed.

If you're wanting to join Special Forces for the money, chances are you don't have what it takes to make it through. Seriously, money? WTF?

But the general rule in recruiting is that in order to get top talent, you must pay top dollar. Defending the homeland and national pride is one thing, but to go above and beyond and do what most men can't...requires special treatment.

That's why I still believe these guys get some sort of benefits, otherwise, special forces would just be a job no one would wanna end up in. A crap job. Nobody goes through med school or a top business school to have crappy job opportunities and low pay. Know why most American kids practice basketball, baseball and football more seriously than soccer or cricket, and vice-versa in Europe? It's because they know those certain sports are not as lucrative as the other ones in their respective countries. All the top talent in America plays either of the four top sports, just like top talent in Europe usually play soccer and top talent in Australia play rugby.

I'd really like to believe you guys when you say the SF guys don't get any special treatment financially and otherwise, but I'm not naive. Anyone currently in the armed forces know anything about any special privileges these guys get? Any rumors, gossip about SF's pay?

[JQ24]

A benifit would be able to handle a great amount of stress and come out with a big smile. ;)

[samjung23]

Perhaps I should restate my question in a clearer way, and towards the intended audience.

Anyone that has known a SF soldier personally, been one, married to one, written paychecks, worked in the Pentagon, etc., do you know what benefits these guys get for their positions?

No offense to the other posters, but I don't believe the answer is American patriotism. Every soldier had damn well better be fighting for America, lol!

I think a sense of pride and accomplishment would cover 25% of the guys that join special forces, but pay and special privileges has to cover the other 75%. I can imagine plenty of applicants saying, well, I'd love to join that elite Seals unit, but if I'm getting the same pay for going through that hazing, training and danger, then I'd better get more money and privileges, or else I'm happy just refueling F/A 18's on carriers!

Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.

Well, you should have mentioned that.

Are you for real though?

If I assume that you are real, 11, do you BELIEVE that Special Forces received ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT above other soldiers?

And silencer, don't talk like you know, because I know that you are still in high school.

[Aerosoul]

I'm just offering my opinion. No different than the others without service. Sorry ya didn't wanna hear it.

Please, point out where I'm pretending to be "in the know."

[Snake Eater Wannabe]

dude how many people are going to tell you before you understand. god the only benifit to being sof other than serving your country is being able to call your self one of the best. these guys dont do it for money or to be kool. they do it to challenge themselves and to work with the best. people who try to go in cause they dont want a high and tight or want to wear a beard are the ones you see failing. they just want to fight with the best.
oh yeah and if you think their crazy for doing their job for little money why dont you look at marine snipers. they get payed the exact same pay as the infantry and they go out in two man teams for days or weeks behind enemy lines out gunned waiting in the worst weather and shooting position just to kill one man.

[samjung23]

Then should I assume that the big money comes AFTER an SF soldier leaves the armed forces?

Mercenary work, civilian management jobs, Bodyguard roles...etc.?

[Scrim]

Uncontrolable verbal diarrhea. Do you even read anyones answers?

[Aerosoul]

Then should I assume that the big money comes AFTER an SF soldier leaves the armed forces?

Mercenary work, civilian management jobs, Bodyguard roles...etc.?

NO ONE EVER SAID IT AS ABOUT MONEY! Aggg, dude, read!

[Apogee]

Some SF types go on to do private security or body guard stuff. There are guys around here who fall into that category. Others transition from SOCOM into the intelligence community. Still others get out and do stuff that has nothing to do with the military at all.

Recently some big re-up bonuses were approved for SF. I'm not well read enough to talk about them intelligently, but theres a thread around that does talk about it.

From the guys I know, none of them went Special Operations for the money. Most of them wanted either a challenge, wanted to be the best, or really liked what SOF does. 11F5S already articulated that. And hes alot smarter about this stuff than I can ever hope to be.

[PCarola]

dude how many people are going to tell you before you understand. god the only benifit to being sof other than serving your country is being able to call your self one of the best. these guys dont do it for money or to be kool. they do it to challenge themselves and to work with the best.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. If your looking for a monetary reward I say you go to school and look into being a lawyer or a financial advisor of some sort. From your comments it is unquestionable you dont have the drive to go into Special Forces. It's heart and sould that's drives those soldiers, not a paycheck.

[Zoomie]

If you really want to make money go and work at your local grocery store where you'd be better off than in the military. I'm not in the Air Force for the money, as long as my needs are covered, I won't be whining about my pay. Something tells me Sam, that you've never been interested in joining up.

[samjung23]

Some SF types go on to do private security or body guard stuff. There are guys around here who fall into that category. Others transition from SOCOM into the intelligence community. Still others get out and do stuff that has nothing to do with the military at all.

Recently some big re-up bonuses were approved for SF. I'm not well read enough to talk about them intelligently, but theres a thread around that does talk about it.

From the guys I know, none of them went Special Operations for the money. Most of them wanted either a challenge, wanted to be the best, or really liked what SOF does. 11F5S already articulated that. And hes alot smarter about this stuff than I can ever hope to be.

All right, thanks, that's the answer I'm looking for.

[Airborneranger4israel]

samjung23 brings up an interesting point, while a large number of special forces troops do it for the love of their country and the ablilty to change the course of world affairs, (not to mention the equipmen they get to use)

but there are certainly people out there that woudl be just if not more qualified for the position but do not apply because of the mediocore pay.
The Army needs increasingly more educated troops to handle translations (arabic is an extremeley hard language to learn) logitics and a constantly evolving threat . However this problem applies not only to the special forces but the armed forces as a whole.

Instead of putting money into some programs that are faliure ****e (missle defense shield) we could be raising pay in the armed services and makining it a more lucrative carrer path, that way our soldiers would be much more capable, also we (citizens of the US) owe it to the troops to let them live financially secure lives. They are the ones that make it possible to live at all.

so yes pay increases are needed but for now we have the best special forces, made of of individuals who do not seeek monetary wealth

[samjung23]

samjung23 brings up an interesting point, while a large number of special forces troops do it for the love of their country and the ablilty to change the course of world affairs, (not to mention the equipmen they get to use)

but there are certainly people out there that woudl be just if not more qualified for the position but do not apply because of the mediocore pay.
The Army needs increasingly more educated troops to handle translations (arabic is an extremeley hard language to learn) logitics and a constantly evolving threat . However this problem applies not only to the special forces but the armed forces as a whole.

Instead of putting money into some programs that are faliure ****e (missle defense shield) we could be raising pay in the armed services and makining it a more lucrative carrer path, that way our soldiers would be much more capable, also we (citizens of the US) owe it to the troops to let them live financially secure lives. They are the ones that make it possible to live at all.

so yes pay increases are needed but for now we have the best special forces, made of of individuals who do not seeek monetary wealth

That was kinda what I was getting at.

Thank you very much.

[abncougar]

****ing pride man, SOF are the best, and they get to do a lot more highspeed things. Your typical JOE doenst get to go to HALO school. "Eagles dont flock, you have to find them one at a time"

why would one person want to join special forces? two words.





adrenaline rush

[askDNA]

Some people just have to be the best, it bothers them if they're not, and if you don't think like that then you won't make it through. People in the armed forces are willing to die for their country, and no ones paycheck is coming with them to heaven/hell.

[Airborneranger4israel]

another reason to join the special forces

One of the highest divorce rates of any occupation

[PrincessRAR]

Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.

Mate, no offence, im sure your a great bloke, but you don't need to blow your trumpet so hard.

Old mate just wanted an answer - not someone telling him he'll never be SF and he never said or thought he was SF.

no1 - what makes you think he'll never be SF
no2 - what makes you jesus?

Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know.

Do I go on and boast about it - NO, becuase I dont care I know it. Leave young people alone, we want them in the military not to turn them away.

[Aerosoul]

Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.

Mate, no offence, im sure your a great bloke, but you don't need to blow your trumpet so hard.

Old mate just wanted an answer - not someone telling him he'll never be SF and he never said or thought he was SF.

no1 - what makes you think he'll never be SF
no2 - what makes you jesus?

Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know.

Do I go on and boast about it - NO, becuase I dont care I know it. Leave young people alone, we want them in the military not to turn them away.

Sweet. The long-awaited USSF vs. Brit shooting match!

[PrincessRAR]

Far from a brit thank god mate.

Im an aussie through and through.

And I've already competed in that competition twice thanks ;)

[Ratamacue]

Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know.

Do I go on and boast about it - NO, becuase I dont care I know it. Leave young people alone, we want them in the military not to turn them away.
You just did, buddy. ;)

[PrincessRAR]

Far from it, that was proving a point, not just sprouting bull****.

:cantbeli:

Besides mine is truth not fiction rofl

[ronin2172]

just out of curiosity how do u know he speaks from fiction? Frankly you are a bit of a hypocrite as some of your comments in this and other threads make u just as bad as the people u chastise....

[digrar]

If you're joining the military for the money, you'll be disappointed.

If you're wanting to join Special Forces for the money, chances are you don't have what it takes to make it through. Seriously, money? WTF?

But the general rule in recruiting is that in order to get top talent, you must pay top dollar. Defending the homeland and national pride is one thing, but to go above and beyond and do what most men can't...requires special treatment.

That's why I still believe these guys get some sort of benefits, otherwise, special forces would just be a job no one would wanna end up in. A crap job. Nobody goes through med school or a top business school to have crappy job opportunities and low pay. Know why most American kids practice basketball, baseball and football more seriously than soccer or cricket, and vice-versa in Europe? It's because they know those certain sports are not as lucrative as the other ones in their respective countries. All the top talent in America plays either of the four top sports, just like top talent in Europe usually play soccer and top talent in Australia play rugby.

I'd really like to believe you guys when you say the SF guys don't get any special treatment financially and otherwise, but I'm not naive. Anyone currently in the armed forces know anything about any special privileges these guys get? Any rumors, gossip about SF's pay?

Mate being a warrior isn't a job it's a way of life. That's why you can't equate recruiting schemes or monetary renumeration between the military and the civilian work sector.
Some people want to be the best warriors they can be, get the best training and do what they are trained to do for real and as often as they can. The place to do that is in SF or SOF units. Incentives are being better trainined, having a better idea of the bigger picture, better tools for the task at hand, increased time in theatre. Money is a bonus not an incentive.

[PrincessRAR]

Saying that someone will never be SF, how would he know?

And I have been hypocritical over nothing!

And I certainly don't aim to chastise, I just hate seeing servicemen/women who get into a high position/team think they are better then others - when who knows samjung23 might be the next CO of the ol' SF group.

Happens everywhere in every army- I know i have been guilty of it especially in rifle companies when having a beer with the normal grunt digs,
11F5S just came on too strong to the young kid for my liking, so I was just making him see the light ;)

Sorry to anyone who took offence, and to 11F5S if I tweaked you heart-strings :hug:

[OzMan]

There have been times when I talk to USAF Combat Controllers, and when I tell them that that's what I want to be, quite a few of them say, "You won't make it."

It doesn't shy me away. It's a motivator. Telling someone that they won't make it pushes their asses off the line. They either step up or step back. Because it can either shy them away and won't waste anyone's time, or they can step up and prove that person wrong and be a better person in the end.

I think it's better than holding their hand and saying, "You can make it, and if you don't, that's okay too."

[RFSU]

There have been times when I talk to USAF Combat Controllers, and when I tell them that that's what I want to be, quite a few of them say, "You won't make it."

It doesn't shy me away. It's a motivator. Telling someone that they won't make it pushes their asses off the line. They either step up or step back. Because it can either shy them away and won't waste anyone's time, or they can step up and prove that person wrong and be a better person in the end.

I think it's better than holding their hand and saying, "You can make it, and if you don't, that's okay too."


No It's arrogant and counter productive. Now if it's a recruit then yes by all means bag the Sh1t out of them but a kid who has never served in any capacity and is just asking a simple question (not so simple an answer)? You have to be a really BIG, tough SF man like 11F5S to act like that.

[Lone Predator]

If you want a pretty clear idea as to the whole world, life style, and idea... try reading immediate action by andy mcnab

details his life joining the regular brit forces and SAS selection and eventually SAS life. He was in the SAS for several years before he even got operators pay because there wasn't time for him to do the specialized training required to become an official operator. His unit was too busy.

there may not be pay benifits, but there are certain freedoms in SF life that you can't get through regular Army life. Once you've tasted the freedoms and life styles of SF, how could you do the regular day to day **** of a regular soldier?

eg: 6 month rotation in germany... followed by 6 month rotation back in the states doing training... followed by potentially.. say a 1 year deployment to Iraq? patroling streets or driving a truck?

vs:

some of the most advanced training the world has to offer, working with the best of the best, followed by a several month recon mission to find a target... ect..

[Lone Predator]

and of course if your a smart.. but fit grunt in the army... and your thinking ahead...

you could join a SF unit... get some experience.. leave.. then get paid absurd amounts of money to work in the private sector ;)

[shorty]

....some of the most advanced training the world has to offer, working with the best of the best, followed by a several month recon mission to find a target... ect.. Don't forget being shot at all the while. Being away from your family for long periods of time without them knowing where you are. I've never done it, but do you think it would be FUN to have a several month recon mission to find a target? Being in the **** that whole time while being searched for with the potential to either be killed or captured on site? You seem to look at it in a glorified light....You forget about the physical, psychological, and sociological toll that being an operator has on you.

[PrincessRAR]

There have been times when I talk to USAF Combat Controllers, and when I tell them that that's what I want to be, quite a few of them say, "You won't make it."

It doesn't shy me away. It's a motivator. Telling someone that they won't make it pushes their asses off the line. They either step up or step back. Because it can either shy them away and won't waste anyone's time, or they can step up and prove that person wrong and be a better person in the end.

I think it's better than holding their hand and saying, "You can make it, and if you don't, that's okay too."


No It's arrogant and counter productive. Now if it's a recruit then yes by all means bag the Sh1t out of them but a kid who has never served in any capacity and is just asking a simple question (not so simple an answer)? You have to be a really BIG, tough SF man like 11F5S to act like that.

Maybe its just us aussies that think like that hey RFSU.
Seems like everyone else with all their skills and abilities are all switched on!
Again I apoligise for coming from a diferent viewpoint to everyone else :slap:

[samjung23]

Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.

Mate, no offence, im sure your a great bloke, but you don't need to blow your trumpet so hard.

Old mate just wanted an answer - not someone telling him he'll never be SF and he never said or thought he was SF.

no1 - what makes you think he'll never be SF
no2 - what makes you jesus?

Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know.

Do I go on and boast about it - NO, becuase I dont care I know it. Leave young people alone, we want them in the military not to turn them away.

Thanks for backing me up man.

I don't know, that's just American logic to talk like 11F5S. I ask if SF get huge amounts of pay to do their job, and next thing I know, I don't have what it takes to be an operator.

That's like hearing Star Jones tell me I wouldn't be a good host of the View, like I care! If I ever had to join the army, I wouldn't get my hopes up with SF, and given my attitude, I wouldn't try out if I knew I wouldn't make a good pay increase and had to bust my tail off! You'd have to wonder if this already hurts SF recruiting, some people might not even join the military because of the pay. But...I guess the government doesn't care.

The Air Force and Navy Air get exceptional talent, because the recruits know that it's a prestigious job and that they will get really good jobs once they leave. Maybe SF operators get preferential treatment for SWAT units, bodyguard positions and contractor roles in Iraq, so that could be the after-service lucrative position that entices many to fight so hard. That would motivate a lot of soldiers to join up.

Can you imagine asking a bunch of young soldiers to try out for special forces and telling them that they will get the same pay and have no opportunity for good positions after their stint? They'd tell you to fvk off and find someone else! Who would put up with that crap for diddly? Could you imagine asking some kid working at McDonalds to take over a major corporation...at the same pay? He'd tell you to fvk off too!

Serving in the army is national pride...going into SF is serving above and beyond.

[digrar]

You're still looking as an outsider in mate. It's not about the money it's about being a warrior. Some people are happy sharpening spears, shooting arrows and catapults, others want a sword in their hand, right in the thick of the action.

[Flagg]

[quote=11F5S]Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.

Mate, no offence, im sure your a great bloke, but you don't need to blow your trumpet so hard.

Old mate just wanted an answer - not someone telling him he'll never be SF and he never said or thought he was SF.

no1 - what makes you think he'll never be SF
no2 - what makes you jesus?

Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know.

Do I go on and boast about it - NO, becuase I dont care I know it. Leave young people alone, we want them in the military not to turn them away.


Thanks for backing me up man.

I don't know, that's just American logic to talk like 11F5S. I ask if SF get huge amounts of pay to do their job, and next thing I know, I don't have what it takes to be an operator.

Personally, I think you're too bloody sensitive.

I perceived your questions as being quite aggressive, a bit arrogant, and you appeared to be trying to answer your own questions...begging the question as to why you even bothered posting.


That's like hearing Star Jones tell me I wouldn't be a good host of the View, like I care! If I ever had to join the army, I wouldn't get my hopes up with SF, and given my attitude, I wouldn't try out if I knew I wouldn't make a good pay increase and had to bust my tail off! You'd have to wonder if this already hurts SF recruiting, some people might not even join the military because of the pay. But...I guess the government doesn't care.

Here's an example of you attempting to answer your original line of questioning.

YOU may not wish to take on more responsibility, stress, high risk of injury, and time away from friends and family, but it takes different kinds of people to do different jobs.

My Father-In-Law is a world-class ski instructor(ranked by Ski Magazine the last 3 years) as well as SAR/paramedic qualified. It's taken him years to achieve his level of training and ability....yet I make more in 2 months than he makes in a year.

He can arguably say he's about the best in the world at what he does.....if he wanted to...but he's usually too busy training if he's not working, cause he doesn't think what he's doing is work...it's his calling.



The Air Force and Navy Air get exceptional talent, because the recruits know that it's a prestigious job and that they will get really good jobs once they leave. Maybe SF operators get preferential treatment for SWAT units, bodyguard positions and contractor roles in Iraq, so that could be the after-service lucrative position that entices many to fight so hard. That would motivate a lot of soldiers to join up.

Unless you have served in the Air Force or Navy, or you have specific quantifiable proof of your statement it's just your OPINION.

If you're talking about IT, Aviation, Telecom, etc. type of high value skill sets on civvie street, the last time I checked the US Army still had the world's largest helo fleet, and arguably the largest IT support needs of any service.

As far as preferential treatment with non-military, LE and security positions, I'm sure SF are in high demand.....probably about the same as the demand for senior NCOs in the private sector from nearly any Corps background from Catering to Transport.

Line Infantry NCOs with heaps of experience and dozens of training packages under their belt are capable of fulfilling conventional security roles as well.


Can you imagine asking a bunch of young soldiers to try out for special forces and telling them that they will get the same pay and have no opportunity for good positions after their stint? They'd tell you to fvk off and find someone else! Who would put up with that crap for diddly? Could you imagine asking some kid working at McDonalds to take over a major corporation...at the same pay? He'd tell you to fvk off too!

The people they're looking for are the ones who would fight to sign up first.

The folks I've had the opportunity to meet and know with an SF/SOF background didn't seem to care about pay when IN service, and don't seem to care now OUT of service.

I know one ex US SF member running a Fortune 500 IT department and is worth several hundred million dollars......he could retire......but he loves his job.

I recently met an Ex Pom SAS NCO who's now an Anesthetist because it was something that fascinated him.

I also know another Ex Pom SAS junior NCO who I have to drag out of the office to go for a ride because he's too busy building his already substantial company......he lives in a simple little house and drives a basic ute, yet could easily afford what ever he wanted.

It's not about the money for those I know who've done it.

They "keep score" in different ways


Serving in the army is national pride...going into SF is serving above and beyond.

Maybe for some, or even most...but not all

I for one serve(part-time) because I LOVE it, and I also do it because of a sense of obligation that I was endowed with by my family.

And putting SF on a pedastal that they are the only ones going "above and beyond" is a disservice to the others that do.

SF selection is hard, and many could never likely pass.

Just like how many could never likely pass a language course in Hungarian at DLI.

[Hawkeye]

We're not all capatalists, ya know?


:D woot :hug:
Indeed, can you think about the pride, the rush, the thing you can do for your country that only few can do...

[callous]

The Air Force and Navy Air get exceptional talent, because the recruits know that it's a prestigious job and that they will get really good jobs once they leave. Maybe SF operators get preferential treatment for SWAT units, bodyguard positions and contractor roles in Iraq, so that could be the after-service lucrative position that entices many to fight so hard. That would motivate a lot of soldiers to join up

I had a friend who worked on air conditioners for three years when he was in the military. When he got out he couldn't get a job fixing air conditioners, because he had no experience. Just because you did something in the military dosen't mean you'll get a job doing it in the civilian market.

Another friend went into the Navy. He worked on communications equipment. After 4 years he got out and went back to work at the same gas station he woked at before he joined. I wouldn't call that a really good job.

Finally a good friend starts Airborne school tomorrow. His plan is to become a Ranger(I know it SOF not SF) and I hope he succeeds. Why is he doing it? Not for money, not for a job after the military. He's doing it because he wants to.

[Sabre]

I don't want this to turn into my other "Why do we Have Marines" thread, but I'm watching this National Geographic Channel show on Navy Seals Hell Week INDOC or whatever it's called, and I wonder why these dudes put up with so much crap to do this job. I mean, yes, there is national pride, but I hear the money isn't so great; in fact, it's more or less the same as any other soldier/sailor/Marine/air force crewman, etc., especially if they're serving in a combat zone.

Are Special Forces paid a special sum that isn't officially disclosed? Are there special privileges...luxurious accomodations, lobster dinners behind closed doors...the works? I know of course, about the Private Military companies and the lucrative jobs, but does every SF guy that leaves get those? Do they get special treatment in the private sector?

I mean, I would think, if I joined any branch service, that I would just want to serve, do by specific job and make my money, rather than busting my butt in SF and earning...the same pay. Looking at the training and pain that these SF guys go through, regular pay would not be enough to motivate me to go through that...

So don't do it.

Money isn't the factor, you can easily make more money on civvy street and enjoy a comfortable life. If you need a big financial incentive, you probably aren't the type of person required for SF work. The incentive is this. It is one of the hardest things to do in the world. You are elite. You get to do what very few others ever do. The most you get physically is a belt and beret, it's what it means to you that means the most.

Pain is pain, it isn't that much of a problem. But if you don't want to do it, then don't. Serving in the forces and being a professional is plenty. Not everyone can be SF!

[4fox]

Looking at the training and pain that these SF guys go through, regular pay would not be enough to motivate me to go through that...

This is exactly why you'll never make it. You already told us that. we didn't have to make any guesses at that. More people will fail out of SF courses due to volutary reasons that physical problems. Hell some people with physical problems try to soldier on but are told they can't. Whats my point? You've already got it in your head that its not worth it. thats why you won't ever be one of the elite.

[Initiative]

lobster dinners behind closed doors

:lol:

You know that chocolate tastes good, but can you explain why?

[oldsoak]

Sheer elitism - the SF exists and you want to be the best. Patriotism ? not always - cant see many Aussies or Kiwis being patriotic about the land that lets them down in the Brit SAS - and we a good sprinkling of them. ( rumour has it someone suggested renaming a certain barracks Earls Court... :P .). An analogy would be playing competitive team sports - you want to be in the A team, not the B team.

[Ichhabe]

Looking at the training and pain that these SF guys go through, regular pay would not be enough to motivate me to go through that...

This is exactly why you'll never make it. You already told us that. we didn't have to make any guesses at that. More people will fail out of SF courses due to volutary reasons that physical problems. Hell some people with physical problems try to soldier on but are told they can't. Whats my point? You've already got it in your head that its not worth it. thats why you won't ever be one of the elite.

...then I wonder why you have to twist the knife around in that wound.
Seems to be that you are jagging off to such things. Jeez, lighten up against the people who admit that they aint motivated to be among the elite.

[Lestat]

I have never served and i will never be able to serve my country like my father grandfather and cousins BUT i will tell you the one reason why my cousin joined SF here is for this simple fact:


The Knowledge that when the Sh*t hit the fan it was him and his Brothers that would go in and bring back who was in need of rescue, They would achieve the things that others would fail and the simple fact of if they didnt do it people would die.

now here in Australia our guys might not get much pubilicity or recognition, Money or stuff they all do it for Love, of their families, their brothers and for their country.

Now if the fact that being SF gives you a new sense of ability a new family to love and the ability to protect that family isnt motivation enough for you nothing in the world will ever be enough for you.

I hope you understand that and it gets trhough to you ok.

[Malarky]

If I were to serve, I wouldn't want to go in and just do some menial task that you could do in the private sector. (I'm not saying that serving your country in these tasks is bad.) I would want to go in and be a part of the BEST. Just like when you leave college and get a job in the "real world" you want to be part of something special, like working with the best surgeons, best engineers, best educators. I personally wouldn't want to take a job that all you could say in the end is... "Wow, I made a lot of money." I would want to retire saying "I did something that changed people's lives for the better. I did something that left this world a better place than which I entered it." Pride my friend. That's what its all about. Once you start to realize that money can't buy everything, then maybe you'll understand.

[RGRBOX]

My **** grew bigger and my balls drag the ground.... rofl and i get more babes then you can shake a stick at...that little tab does wonders for ya...

[11F5S]

Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.

1. Mate, no offence, im sure your a great bloke, but you don't need to blow your trumpet so hard.

2. Old mate just wanted an answer - not someone telling him he'll never be SF and he never said or thought he was SF.

3. no1 - what makes you think he'll never be SF
4. no2 - what makes you jesus?

5. Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know.

6. Do I go on and boast about it - NO, becuase I dont care I know it. Leave young people alone, we want them in the military not to turn them away.

1. You are not my "mate". Blowing my trumpet??? Hell I wasn't even tooting my horn.

2. I gave him my opinion, he can take it or leave it, makes no difference to me.

3. a. More than 20 years in USSF. I've seen the inside of SFTG (SWTG) up close and personal as a trainee and as an instructor - I believe that gives me more than a hint of what it takes.

b. Listening to what the youngman is saying.

4. I never claimed to be Jesus. From what I've heard, he was a leg carpenter.

5. And your **** is probably bigger than mine too.

6. It sound's to me like you just did. Where was I boasting about anything here?

[moughoun]

Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.



Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know.



**** it I won't bother, just thank's for the childish comment, making us look bad :|

[11F5S]

Why do people chose SF?

Ask John Walton or **** Carmona both volunteered for SF and both were SF Medics....The SF Medical Course is/was the longest and most difficult of the SF MOS's

http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/10/2004/LIR.jhtml?passListId=10&passYear=2004&passListType=Person&uniqueId=GHPT&datatype=Person

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/aboutoffice.html#biosg

[FuturePara]

Do I go on and boast about it - NO, becuase I dont care I know it.

Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know
Say what?

[samjung23]

The Air Force and Navy Air get exceptional talent, because the recruits know that it's a prestigious job and that they will get really good jobs once they leave. Maybe SF operators get preferential treatment for SWAT units, bodyguard positions and contractor roles in Iraq, so that could be the after-service lucrative position that entices many to fight so hard. That would motivate a lot of soldiers to join up

I had a friend who worked on air conditioners for three years when he was in the military. When he got out he couldn't get a job fixing air conditioners, because he had no experience. Just because you did something in the military dosen't mean you'll get a job doing it in the civilian market.

Another friend went into the Navy. He worked on communications equipment. After 4 years he got out and went back to work at the same gas station he woked at before he joined. I wouldn't call that a really good job.

Finally a good friend starts Airborne school tomorrow. His plan is to become a Ranger(I know it SOF not SF) and I hope he succeeds. Why is he doing it? Not for money, not for a job after the military. He's doing it because he wants to.

When I said Air Force and Navy Air, I meant pilots first and foremost, computer experts, second. I knew someone from school that went to the Academy to work on computers.

So yeah, US pilots are pretty much top-talent, because it's almost a requirement to get any job commercial in America. I'm not talking about the air conditioner guys and all that.

But anyway, I have a question to pose to you guys. If it's not about money, if it's not about privileges...and we assume national pride is best assumed while serving...then will you admit that a lot of these SF guys do these jobs for the competition...and more opportunities to kill? Forgive me if I'm making some bad assumptions, but someone speculated to me that Tillman gave up millions in football money for the chance to kill people in the armed forces. Mind you, I can spot liberal propaganda a mile away, but this made a lot of sense. If any of you are offended, I'm sorry, but national pride isn't an excuse to give up millions, risk your life and your family's wellbeing!

Oh dear, now I've done it, let the flaming begin!

Just so you don't think I'm a dirtbag.

Pat Tillman, RIP.

[Sabre]

F***ing hell!!!

Let's just throw samjung23 here a bone.

Look mate, in UKSFR (reserve SF) you get roughly twice the daily rate of pay as that of a 'normal' TA soldier. The difference becomes less as you progress up the ranks. But bear in mind that a TA Sgt will become a trooper once he's passed selection, not an SAS Sgt. so he'll most likely take a pay cut. The pay increase is only really noticable for lower ranking recruits. I couldn't say what the pay difference is like for regulars, but I don't think it is much.

But I repeat, you do not get through SF selection simply because you want more money. It does not work. Please accept this from people who know. Money is not a motivating factor, it simply isn't enough.

Why do people climb mountains? It's hard and you can't stay up there, and it costs money to do it. If you don't make money while you do it, why do it? See where I'm going with this?

[RGRBOX]

F***ing hell!!!

Let's just throw samjung23 here a bone.

Look mate, in UKSFR (reserve SF) you get roughly twice the daily rate of pay as that of a 'normal' TA soldier. The difference becomes less as you progress up the ranks. But bear in mind that a TA Sgt will become a trooper once he's passed selection, not an SAS Sgt. so he'll most likely take a pay cut. The pay increase is only really noticable for lower ranking recruits. I couldn't say what the pay difference is like for regulars, but I don't think it is much.

But I repeat, you do not get through SF selection simply because you want more money. It does not work. Please accept this from people who know. Money is not a motivating factor, it simply isn't enough.

Why do people climb mountains? It's hard and you can't stay up there, and it costs money to do it. If you don't make money while you do it, why do it? See where I'm going with this?

Good Point...

[Pandy]

To my understanding, US SF are currently getting $160,000 Bonus... but that's from what I heard.

[RGRBOX]

To my understanding, US SF are currently getting $160,000 Bonus... but that's from what I heard.

Now that would be nice...

[shorty]

.....Mind you, I can spot liberal propaganda a mile away, but this made a lot of sense... Hell I'd say you just overshot about a mile too far. Do you honestly think that operators are just a bunch of mindless, killing machines hellbent on killing everyone they see? If you seriously think this, then I suggest you go back to flipping hamburgers. One of our members here is a rocket scientist, he also happens to be in Army SF. I can fairly well assume that he didn't join SF just to kill people and make money......

[RGRBOX]

.....Mind you, I can spot liberal propaganda a mile away, but this made a lot of sense... Hell I'd say you just overshot about a mile too far. Do you honestly think that operators are just a bunch of mindless, killing machines hellbent on killing everyone they see? If you seriously think this, then I suggest you go back to flipping hamburgers. One of our members here is a rocket scientist, he also happens to be in Army SF. I can fairly well assume that he didn't join SF just to kill people and make money......

Is this the Cpt, in the Cali NG Sf unit that SOF did a report on???

[Sabre]

Just read your last post samjung23, thank god you've let the money thing rest. :lol:

All personnel in the armed forces are risking their lives by serving. That doesn't change when you get into SF.

Competition? Sort of. The only competition is with yourself. It is a mental and physical battle to pass selection, and the battle is within yourself. You push past large numbers of 'barriers' that limited you before and you take on a new attitude to life. It changes you as a person for the better. You become a lot more physically robust, but especially mentally so. You realise that your limits are there to be pushed and pushed and that they don't really limit you if you don't let them. It is the same as people who push themselves to run the fastest they can, climb the highest mountain etc. It's a shame you don't seem to grasp this.

More opportunities to kill? Not really. The whole purpose of the armed forces is to get a bloke on the ground close enough to the enemy so he can pull the trigger and kill him (air force and navy bods don't like this statement, but it's true). That is what front line units train to do, and what rear echelon units train to make happen. It is hard to explain why people choose to go into line units, but you train to fight and ultimately to kill. Warfare is the ultimate test of your training and of yourself as a person. Are you up to it? You want to know.

Imagine training for years to be a doctor and having to wait for years for a brief opportunity to put your training into practice. Of course you want to get out and do what you've been trained to do.

[Yosy]

This is something out of Andy McNab's Immediate Action (and don't start bashing him - this book is nothing like B20)


[about special forces'soldiers] Blokes just looked at it as a job, as a profession. Soldiering was something that they found they had the aptitude for, and they wanted to take the profession to another level

That's all there is.

[PrincessRAR]

Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.

1. Mate, no offence, im sure your a great bloke, but you don't need to blow your trumpet so hard.

2. Old mate just wanted an answer - not someone telling him he'll never be SF and he never said or thought he was SF.

3. no1 - what makes you think he'll never be SF
4. no2 - what makes you jesus?

5. Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know.

6. Do I go on and boast about it - NO, becuase I dont care I know it. Leave young people alone, we want them in the military not to turn them away.

1. You are not my "mate". Blowing my trumpet??? Hell I wasn't even tooting my horn.

2. I gave him my opinion, he can take it or leave it, makes no difference to me.

3. a. More than 20 years in USSF. I've seen the inside of SFTG (SWTG) up close and personal as a trainee and as an instructor - I believe that gives me more than a hint of what it takes.

b. Listening to what the youngman is saying.

4. I never claimed to be Jesus. From what I've heard, he was a leg carpenter.

5. And your **** is probably bigger than mine too.

6. It sound's to me like you just did. Where was I boasting about anything here?

No need to ark up, my whole point throughout that fruitless exercise, was to point out:

instead of beating your chet about how you were SF, and how ol sam will never be on (which was no where in his question)
just give him an answer that is fruitful, or dont post..

And moug i apologize - are you coming to AASAM this year, not sure ive ever seen the irish before (bar in timor).

[OzMan]

The only actual monetary benefits I can think of are extra pay for being Airborne and Combat Diver qualified. Maybe a little hazard pay, but I hear that even that much is still ****.

Doesn't stop them from doing it, and it won't stop me.

[Red]

You contradict yourself.You accuse 11F5S of something you just did.How do you know that you could stalk him up to 5m or that you could outshoot him?I am just pointing out the contradiction.





Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.

1. Mate, no offence, im sure your a great bloke, but you don't need to blow your trumpet so hard.

2. Old mate just wanted an answer - not someone telling him he'll never be SF and he never said or thought he was SF.

3. no1 - what makes you think he'll never be SF
4. no2 - what makes you jesus?

5. Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know.

6. Do I go on and boast about it - NO, becuase I dont care I know it. Leave young people alone, we want them in the military not to turn them away.

1. You are not my "mate". Blowing my trumpet??? Hell I wasn't even tooting my horn.

2. I gave him my opinion, he can take it or leave it, makes no difference to me.

3. a. More than 20 years in USSF. I've seen the inside of SFTG (SWTG) up close and personal as a trainee and as an instructor - I believe that gives me more than a hint of what it takes.

b. Listening to what the youngman is saying.

4. I never claimed to be Jesus. From what I've heard, he was a leg carpenter.

5. And your **** is probably bigger than mine too.

6. It sound's to me like you just did. Where was I boasting about anything here?

No need to ark up, my whole point throughout that fruitless exercise, was to point out:

instead of beating your chet about how you were SF, and how ol sam will never be on (which was no where in his question)
just give him an answer that is fruitful, or dont post..

And moug i apologize - are you coming to AASAM this year, not sure ive ever seen the irish before (bar in timor).

[mocking_loudly_died]

What's this? - a bunch of grown men beating their chests over who is best “flip out” SF warrior – awesome, good to see kids aren't the only ones taking out their daily frustrations with “OMG, I would so f*cking pwn you in real life....my stalker skills are f*cking LEET”.

Yes, not very childish.

[samjung23]

What's this? - a bunch of grown men beating their chests over who is best “flip out” SF warrior – awesome, good to see kids aren't the only ones taking out their daily frustrations with “OMG, I would so f*cking pwn you in real life....my stalker skills are f*cking LEET”.

Yes, not very childish.

Why are you even posting on here?

The coffeehouse pseudo-intellectual forum is right down this hall.

[SocScout]

What's this? - a bunch of grown men beating their chests over who is best “flip out” SF warrior – awesome, good to see kids aren't the only ones taking out their daily frustrations with “OMG, I would so f*cking pwn you in real life....my stalker skills are f*cking LEET”.

Yes, not very childish.

Why are you even posting on here?

The coffeehouse pseudo-intellectual forum is right down this hall.

x2 rofl

[PrincessRAR]

You contradict yourself.You accuse 11F5S of something you just did.How do you know that you could stalk him up to 5m or that you could outshoot him?I am just pointing out the contradiction.





Perhaps I should restate my answer in a clearer more concise way.

You will never understand the reason and you will never be one.

You you don't have a clue as to why men do it and never will, so quit thinking and imagining that you do.

11F5S -
20+ Yrs US Army Special Forces.

1. Mate, no offence, im sure your a great bloke, but you don't need to blow your trumpet so hard.

2. Old mate just wanted an answer - not someone telling him he'll never be SF and he never said or thought he was SF.

3. no1 - what makes you think he'll never be SF
4. no2 - what makes you jesus?

5. Garuntee at any distance I could outshoot you, and I could stalk to within 5 m of you and you wouldnt know.

6. Do I go on and boast about it - NO, becuase I dont care I know it. Leave young people alone, we want them in the military not to turn them away.

1. You are not my "mate". Blowing my trumpet??? Hell I wasn't even tooting my horn.

2. I gave him my opinion, he can take it or leave it, makes no difference to me.

3. a. More than 20 years in USSF. I've seen the inside of SFTG (SWTG) up close and personal as a trainee and as an instructor - I believe that gives me more than a hint of what it takes.

b. Listening to what the youngman is saying.

4. I never claimed to be Jesus. From what I've heard, he was a leg carpenter.

5. And your **** is probably bigger than mine too.

6. It sound's to me like you just did. Where was I boasting about anything here?

No need to ark up, my whole point throughout that fruitless exercise, was to point out:

instead of beating your chet about how you were SF, and how ol sam will never be on (which was no where in his question)
just give him an answer that is fruitful, or dont post..

And moug i apologize - are you coming to AASAM this year, not sure ive ever seen the irish before (bar in timor).

I would be 99% sure, and Im not contridicting merely pointing out that if he wants to have a go at someone for something that they didnt even ask ill have a go at him.

[PrincessRAR]

What's this? - a bunch of grown men beating their chests over who is best “flip out” SF warrior – awesome, good to see kids aren't the only ones taking out their daily frustrations with “OMG, I would so f*cking pwn you in real life....my stalker skills are f*cking LEET”.

Yes, not very childish.

Dont claim to be SF, dont ever want to be SF.
And it wasnt about me "owning someone" sorry for everyone that is getting lost in my post that wasnt my intention.

[mocking_loudly_died]

What's this? - a bunch of grown men beating their chests over who is best “flip out” SF warrior – awesome, good to see kids aren't the only ones taking out their daily frustrations with “OMG, I would so f*cking pwn you in real life....my stalker skills are f*cking LEET”.

Yes, not very childish.

Why are you even posting on here?

The coffeehouse pseudo-intellectual forum is right down this hall.

Ho hum – now now with all that time spent on the Internet you could be removing the SF idealist pubic hairs from your mouth.

As for coffee house intellectualism last time I checked my angry conservative card it didn't carry a picture of Che Guevara I just call a spade a spade but in your case I'll call you used *** tissues.

Regards.

P.S after you cry – I have a lovely pink dress I'd like to parade you in.

[ronin2172]

What's this? - a bunch of grown men beating their chests over who is best “flip out” SF warrior – awesome, good to see kids aren't the only ones taking out their daily frustrations with “OMG, I would so f*cking pwn you in real life....my stalker skills are f*cking LEET”.

Yes, not very childish.

Why are you even posting on here?

The coffeehouse pseudo-intellectual forum is right down this hall.

Ho hum – now now with all that time spent on the Internet you could be removing the SF idealist pubic hairs from your mouth.

As for coffee house intellectualism last time I checked my angry conservative card it didn't carry a picture of Che Guevara I just call a spade a spade but in your case I'll call you used *** tissues.

Regards.

P.S after you cry – I have a lovely pink dress I'd like to parade you in.
lmaaooooooooooo....and so it begins....Samjung a word of advice it isn't wise to tussle with mocking....just let it go..

[EsoognomEhT]

They don't do it for money, dude. The SOF community is full of (I would think) the people who love their country the most. So, money is not the motivation. We're not all capatalists, ya know?

I wouldnt say the SAS love their country the most, its about motivation etc. If you join the Special Forces, you know you're the best of the best

[Vivelamorte]

Why does an amateur boxer fight for no money? Why do some students live the life of a hermit behind stacks of books? Why is somebody not content with being just a soldier, or a civilian, but aspires to be SF?

Just by asking a stupid question like that I can tell you you're going to live a regular life with not much meaning in it.

[EsoognomEhT]

he even got operators pay because there wasn't time for him to do the specialized training required to become an official operator. His unit was too busy.


Andy McGrab never received "operators pay", because the sas arent operators ;)

Unless you mean an Operator Military Intelligence? Of which he wasnt either

[samjung23]

What's this? - a bunch of grown men beating their chests over who is best “flip out” SF warrior – awesome, good to see kids aren't the only ones taking out their daily frustrations with “OMG, I would so f*cking pwn you in real life....my stalker skills are f*cking LEET”.

Yes, not very childish.

Why are you even posting on here?

The coffeehouse pseudo-intellectual forum is right down this hall.

Ho hum – now now with all that time spent on the Internet you could be removing the SF idealist pubic hairs from your mouth.

As for coffee house intellectualism last time I checked my angry conservative card it didn't carry a picture of Che Guevara I just call a spade a spade but in your case I'll call you used *** tissues.

Regards.

P.S after you cry – I have a lovely pink dress I'd like to parade you in.
lmaaooooooooooo....and so it begins....Samjung a word of advice it isn't wise to tussle with mocking....just let it go..

What's mocking going to do, stalk to within 500 meters of me and take me out?

Lol, f@g is a f@g, "mocking loudly died" :lol: can take his act to Starbucks if he doesn't like it here. What's he gonna do?

[mocking_loudly_died]

What's mocking going to do, stalk to within 500 meters of me and take me out?

Lol, f@g is a f@g, "mocking loudly died" :lol: can take his act to Starbucks if he doesn't like it here. What's he gonna do?

Listen Minnie mouse – I don't have time to constantly berate you every second post; let's just all agree that you like hard anal love and be done with it – saves me the time and effort of tapping very witty prose.

You get to continue downloading Navy SEAL wallpapers while I save my Keyboard from precious overburn.

Don't worry about the mean kids at school, I think you are tough.

[11F5S]

No need to ark up, my whole point throughout that fruitless exercise, was to point out:

instead of beating your chet about how you were SF, and how ol sam will never be on (which was no where in his question)
just give him an answer that is fruitful, or dont post...

I believe you were the one beating his chest about your stalking and shooting skills, which aren't even remotely related to this thread.

I stated the fact that I had 20+ years in SF only after his request for replies from people with specific experience.


Perhaps I should restate my question in a clearer way, and towards the intended audience.

Anyone that has known a SF soldier personally, been one, married to one, written paychecks, worked in the Pentagon, etc., do you know what benefits these guys get for their positions?

If you consider that "beating my chest", then so be it. You must speak a different language than I do. Do you consider your nic "PrincessRAR" beating your chest?



just give him an answer that is fruitful, or dont post...

Last I checked you are neither administrator nor moderator of this site, so as far as I'm concerned you can stick your orders up your ass.



11F5S just came on too strong to the young kid for my liking, so I was just making him see the light Wink


Take your head out of your 4th point of contact...he's not a young kid.

[shorty]

.....Mind you, I can spot liberal propaganda a mile away, but this made a lot of sense... Hell I'd say you just overshot about a mile too far. Do you honestly think that operators are just a bunch of mindless, killing machines hellbent on killing everyone they see? If you seriously think this, then I suggest you go back to flipping hamburgers. One of our members here is a rocket scientist, he also happens to be in Army SF. I can fairly well assume that he didn't join SF just to kill people and make money......

Is this the Cpt, in the Cali NG Sf unit that SOF did a report on??? No...I orginally thought that too, but I PMed the member here and asked him and he said no....

[samjung23]

What's mocking going to do, stalk to within 500 meters of me and take me out?

Lol, f@g is a f@g, "mocking loudly died" :lol: can take his act to Starbucks if he doesn't like it here. What's he gonna do?

Listen Minnie mouse – I don't have time to constantly berate you every second post; let's just all agree that you like hard anal love and be done with it – saves me the time and effort of tapping very witty prose.

You get to continue downloading Navy SEAL wallpapers while I save my Keyboard from precious overburn.

Don't worry about the mean kids at school, I think you are tough.

Your wit astounds me.

I lie in suspense for your next non-sensical post.

[mocking_loudly_died]

I lie in suspense for your next non-sensical post.

K, I'll make it simple for you:

The day you get Special attached to your name is when you compete in the retard Olympics, Sure your parents will cheer you on – but deep down inside they will realize they just have a kid with a f*cked up face that runs like crippled chicken.

Now that's out of the way should I tag you as “Mockings Bitch” on your arm or your forehead?

[shorty]

K, I'll make it simple for you:

The day you get Special attached to your name is when you compete in the retard Olympics, Sure your parents will cheer you on – but deep down inside they will realize they just have a kid with a f*cked up face that runs like crippled chicken. No words can explain how great that was....thanks for making me squirt my milk out my nose....... rofl

[Initiative]

I lie in suspense for your next non-sensical post.

K, I'll make it simple for you:

The day you get Special attached to your name is when you compete in the retard Olympics, Sure your parents will cheer you on – but deep down inside they will realize they just have a kid with a f*cked up face that runs like crippled chicken.

Now that's out of the way should I tag you as “Mockings Bitch” on your arm or your forehead?

I stopped laughing when you started mocking kids with Downs syndrome.

[ronin2172]

mocking that was sooo wrong but sooo funny....lol rofl

[Beowulf]

I went SOF so I could lock dumbass threads.

BTW I'd take 5.15/hr. To be on an ODA...but maybe I'm just too stupid to do everything for money.