Russia Angry With U.S. Human Rights Report

[J-10]

Russia Angry With U.S. Human Rights Report
Wed Mar 2, 5:39 PM ET Europe - AP

MOSCOW - Russia accused the United States of double standards Wednesday in an angry response to a U.S. State Department report that criticized Moscow's human rights record.

The State Department's annual report on human rights, published Monday, cited what it said were credible reports that Russian law enforcement officers engaged in torture, violence and other brutal or humiliating treatment, particularly in Russia's conflict against rebels in Chechnya.

The U.S. report also cited evidence of increased media restrictions, shortcomings in recent national elections, police corruption and political pressure on the judiciary.

The U.S criticism "once again gives us grounds to say that double standards are characteristic of the American approach to this important topic," the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

"The entire report smacks of political bias," the statement said.

The ministry said the U.S. report ignored Moscow's concerns about the treatment of ethnic Russian minorities in the former Soviet Baltic states.

It said the United States was itself guilty of human rights violations, including ill-treatment of Iraqi detainees, racial discrimination and disputed presidential elections — an apparent reference to President George Bush's victory in the 2000 election, which was marred by a lengthy legal battle over the results in the decisive state of Florida.

"These conclusions concerning our country can in no way be described as objective. They are based on the distortion of facts and sometimes on rumors," the ministry said.

The U.S. study was issued four days after Bush raised Russia's democracy and human rights record with President Vladimir Putin during a meeting in Slovakia.
From (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&ncid=732&e=9&u=/ap/20050302/ap_on_re_eu/russia_us_rights)

[Pandy]

Good.

[nagant_m44]

Those Chechens don't deserve human rights, they violate them against Russians all the time but no one seems to care. Why can't Bush get his own s*** straight before he starts bossing other leaders around?

[EvanL]

yeh Russia is still pretty much behind in everything.

[nagant_m44]

yeh Russia is still pretty much behind in everything.

Yes i guess we are behind if we torture terrorists that kill innocent women and childen by the hundreds.

[EvanL]

yeh Russia is still pretty much behind in everything.

Yes i guess we are behind if we torture terrorists that kill innocent women and childen by the hundreds.
i wasnt condoning anything here.
i was just saying Russia still has a long way to go.

[Brozozo]

yeh Russia is still pretty much behind in everything.

Yes i guess we are behind if we torture terrorists that kill innocent women and childen by the hundreds. :roll: :cantbeli:

[DarkCypher]

Those Chechens don't deserve human rights, they violate them against Russians all the time but no one seems to care. Why can't Bush get his own s*** straight before he starts bossing other leaders around?

You stupid **** ordinary Chechens aren't terrorists and the more Russia continues to oppress them the more ordinary Chechens take up arms against Russia.

[nagant_m44]

Those Chechens don't deserve human rights, they violate them against Russians all the time but no one seems to care. Why can't Bush get his own s*** straight before he starts bossing other leaders around?

You stupid f*** ordinary Chechens aren't terrorists and the more Russia continues to oppress them the more ordinary Chechens take up arms against Russia.

I never said ordinary chechens, I meant the ones that attack Russian soldiers and take hostages. Obviously you are ignorant of the Chechen war now. Fewer and fewer Chechens are helping the thugs led by Basaev.

[Durandal]

Its a report, an examination. That's it. Deal.

[Elmo]

Kresty prison, St. Petersburg.

12 guys in a 8 square meter cell. Detained for 18 months without a sentence, no trial in sight. Corrupt guards, posing in black commando-style masks for visitors, obviously proud to command the visitors not to look on their sides. No talking.

A prisoner shows up, carrying something. The guard waves his hand. The prisoner does an about-face and disappears like a beaten dog.

[BigBaribal]

It's great that Russia has the balls to react strongly against some "lobbies" which have stinking hidden agendas.

Btw:

http://img130.exs.cx:81/img130/5094/050214russiadoesnotqualifyforg.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[BigBaribal]

yeh Russia is still pretty much behind in everything.

It's just one point of view.

The other one:

http://img130.exs.cx:81/img130/456/ussponsorofthewarinthecaucase8.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img130.exs.cx:81/img130/7709/giveusakhmadov9ih.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[BigBaribal]

Those Chechens don't deserve human rights, they violate them against Russians all the time but no one seems to care. Why can't Bush get his own s*** straight before he starts bossing other leaders around?

You stupid f*** ordinary Chechens aren't terrorists and the more Russia continues to oppress them the more ordinary Chechens take up arms against Russia.

I never said ordinary chechens, I meant the ones that attack Russian soldiers and take hostages. Obviously you are ignorant of the Chechen war now. Fewer and fewer Chechens are helping the thugs led by Basaev.

It would be interesting to speak of the Turkish secret services operating from Georgia.

[five-five-sixer]

Kresty prison, St. Petersburg.

12 guys in a 8 square meter cell. Detained for 18 months without a sentence, no trial in sight. Corrupt guards, posing in black commando-style masks for visitors, obviously proud to command the visitors not to look on their sides. No talking.

A prisoner shows up, carrying something. The guard waves his hand. The prisoner does an about-face and disappears like a beaten dog.
?

Those Chechens don't deserve human rights, they violate them against Russians all the time but no one seems to care.
So humans born in Chechenya don't deserve 'human rights'.


I never said ordinary chechens
So civilians deserve being treated as humans? Aren't you exaggerating? You'd disappoint comrade Putin.


I meant the ones that attack Russian soldiers and take hostages.
So the rebels=terrorists? How can you tell that? Just because they all have common goal of driving Russians out of Chechnya means they are one and the same, right? If so, then I don't understand why you wish to spare civilians - they too would like to see Russians leaving. Be consequent please.


Obviously you are ignorant of the Chechen war now. Fewer and fewer Chechens are helping the thugs led by Basaev.
I'm sorry to say that, but you're the ignorant one. There are many armed factions in Chechnya which are only united because of Russian military presence in their country.


http://img130.exs.cx:81/img130/456/ussponsorofthewarinthecaucase8.jpg
:cantbeli: rofl

[wholagun]

European countries are divided on how to deal with Russia. On the one hand you have France and Germany which want a strong relationship with Russia, and ont he other you have the New Members who want a tougher policy towards Russia.

Russia is very unreliable energy supplier, it has cut off Poland from recieving natural gas twice I belive, although Im not sure about the second time.

France looks to Russia to help balance the power of the US, and this is problematic b/c Russia is not a functioning democracy and is dangerous.

My biggest fear is what will happen once Putin is gone.

[nagant_m44]

I'm sorry to say that, but you're the ignorant one. There are many armed factions in Chechnya which are only united because of Russian military presence in their country

The normal chechens are tired of this war. Why did Mashkadov call that cease fire if he wanted to attack Russia?

Isn't the US holding arab terrorists in Cuba without a sentence or trial? Haven't some of them been there for over 2 years now? Havent any of them been tortured?

[Lokos]

five-five-sixer:

You seem to be holding Chechen militants to represent a higher grade of humanity than the Iraqi militants held at Abu Ghraib.

According to many Americans, Iraqi insurgents do not deserve any rights. Including the right to life.

Yet, Russia is the only bad dog in the house, right?

Lokos

[nagant_m44]

five-five-sixer:

You seem to be holding Chechen militants to represent a higher grade of humanity than the Iraqi militants held at Abu Ghraib.

According to many Americans, Iraqi insurgents do not deserve any rights. Including the right to life.

Yet, Russia is the only bad dog in the house, right?

Lokos

What do you expect him to say? He is still bitter towards Russia because of the way they treated Poland during the cold war.

[five-five-sixer]

What do you expect him to say? He is still bitter towards Russia because of the way they treated Poland during the cold war.
I was born too late to remember much. So I'm not bitter. Even though it was 17th of September ;)
Nevertheless historical awareness is important to me. "Who controls the past controls the future". I simply don't like being deceived. No hard feelings.

[volfram]

five-five-sixer:

You seem to be holding Chechen militants to represent a higher grade of humanity than the Iraqi militants held at Abu Ghraib.

According to many Americans, Iraqi insurgents do not deserve any rights. Including the right to life.

Yet, Russia is the only bad dog in the house, right?

Lokos

What do you expect him to say? He is still bitter towards Russia because of the way they treated Poland during the cold war.
We are antirussian because it is natural consequence of russian atrocities in Chehnya.

[Drako]

The conflict in Chechnya has been characterized by widespread and credible reports that Russian forces have been responsible for violations of international human rights and humanitarian law, including "disappearances", extrajudicial executions and torture, including rape. These violations would be serious breaches of the Geneva Conventions and constitute war crimes.



According to reports, Russian forces have arbitrarily detained, tortured or killed thousands of civilians. Most people who are detained by Russian forces are picked up during identity checks on civilian convoys travelling from Chechnya to Ingushetia or during military raids (so-called zachistki or "clean-up" raids) on populated areas. These raids are accompanied by widespread abuses against the civilian population. Civilians, including women and children, have reportedly been abducted, subjected to rape and other forms of torture, and killed.



Hundreds of people, including a 90-year-old man and several children, were detained by Russian soldiers during a raid on the town of Sernovodsk near the border with Ingushetia on 2 July 2001. The raid was reportedly carried out after five Russian soldiers were killed by a landmine. Many of those detained said that they were tortured or ill-treated; some said that the soldiers subjected them to electric shocks and set attack dogs on them. Most were released later that night, but about a hundred people were taken to a temporary detention facility. The fate and whereabouts of at least six people remain unknown.



Russian soldiers came to Rebaat Vakhaeva's home in Urus-Martan on 1 August 2000. They took her 25-year-old son, Kazbek Vakhaev, to the "Internat" detention facility. Rebaat Vakhaeva visited the facility every day to bring food and clothes for her son. Other prisoners told her that her son had been tortured during interrogation. On 13 August she was told that her son was no longer there. On 21 August Kazbek Vakhaev's decapitated body was found in the village of Goiskoe. Officials from the local procurator's office said that Kazbek Vakhaev had been kidnapped after his release on 14 August. The investigation into his death was reportedly closed because investigators could not establish who had detained or kidnapped him. Rebaat Vakhaeva is still waiting for justice; those responsible for her son's death have yet to be held to account.


http://www.amnesty.org/russia/chechnya.html

Yeah, Russia surely is fighting for peace and freedom.

[nagant_m44]

Ok thank you. Anymore Poles here want to vent their anger?

[five-five-sixer]

Ok thank you. Anymore Poles here want to vent their anger?
Where do you see anger in my posts?

[nagant_m44]

Ok thank you. Anymore Poles here want to vent their anger?
Where do you see anger in my posts?

I wasn't talking about yours.

[Lokos]

I don't see anger in your posts. I see cold, calculated bias.

Russia has to deal with the Chechen problem. The Chechens have proven their incapability to co-exist with Russia peacefully in 1999 (Daghestan and the apartment block bombings, anyone?). Enough is enough.

And, yes, the Russians frequently commit atrocities in the region. The interesting thing is; their pacification campaign is working. Fewer and fewer Russians are dying every year in the country. Every year there are less and less hardcore insurgents/terrorists. Eventually, Chechnya will be a Russian puppet state.

In this case, the ends justify the means - as any other means wouldn't bring about an end.

Lokos

[Hugh Jardon]

Yeah, Russia surely is fighting for peace and freedom.

Russia is fighting for peace in the Caucasus. Period

If you have read anything about the area you know why she is there and you would know what would be happening without big brother in the picture.

Want to read a good book on the subject?

Leavenworth Papers #20

Russian/Soviet Unconventional Wars in the Caucasus and Afghanistan.

Dr. Robert F Baumann.

Without the Russians being there every tribe in the area would be killing one another endlessly or some other entity would be having the same problems be they British or Turks or Persians or Chinese.

five five sixer's Polish people are largely the same along with the rest of the people in the region. Kill your neighbor, screw his wife rape his daughter. The Poles, Lats, Liths, Estons and Ukra's all need someone to keep them away from each others throats.

[Hugh Jardon]

Damn this subject makes me cynical. rofl

[Son_Of_Suvorov]

Russian soldiers came to Rebaat Vakhaeva's home in Urus-Martan on 1 August 2000. They took her 25-year-old son, Kazbek Vakhaev, to the "Internat" detention facility. Rebaat Vakhaeva visited the facility every day to bring food and clothes for her son. Other prisoners told her that her son had been tortured during interrogation. On 13 August she was told that her son was no longer there. On 21 August Kazbek Vakhaev's decapitated body was found in the village of Goiskoe. Officials from the local procurator's office said that Kazbek Vakhaev had been kidnapped after his release on 14 August. The investigation into his death was reportedly closed because investigators could not establish who had detained or kidnapped him. Rebaat Vakhaeva is still waiting for justice; those responsible for her son's death have yet to be held to account.


Why is it so hard to believe that he was kidnapped? At present rates there's a person kidnapped every day in Chechnya, Dagestan, Stavropol Region and Ingushetia, and most of them are locals.

On that subject, if you care about Chechens so much, why don't you go volunteer there with the Red Cross or something? In the worst case the money for your ransom will help boost their local economy a little and maybe there'll be another finger-cutting video posted to the Internet for me to watch.

[Sergei]

Yawn....

Pot calling the kettle black.

Let's see the Guantanamo report, or better yet Abu Graib charges against those responsible.
Or better yet indiscriminate killings of civilian Iraqis by US soldiers in Iraq.

Some real "democracy" my ass.
Democracy is a convinient word which is used when it suits. When it is not convinient, screw it and go on with the plan - just what the BB Condoleeza Rice is preaching every day.

US should mind its own business, really :lol:

[Drako]

Russian soldiers came to Rebaat Vakhaeva's home in Urus-Martan on 1 August 2000. They took her 25-year-old son, Kazbek Vakhaev, to the "Internat" detention facility. Rebaat Vakhaeva visited the facility every day to bring food and clothes for her son. Other prisoners told her that her son had been tortured during interrogation. On 13 August she was told that her son was no longer there. On 21 August Kazbek Vakhaev's decapitated body was found in the village of Goiskoe. Officials from the local procurator's office said that Kazbek Vakhaev had been kidnapped after his release on 14 August. The investigation into his death was reportedly closed because investigators could not establish who had detained or kidnapped him. Rebaat Vakhaeva is still waiting for justice; those responsible for her son's death have yet to be held to account.


Why is it so hard to believe that he was kidnapped? At present rates there's a person kidnapped every day in Chechnya, Dagestan, Stavropol Region and Ingushetia, and most of them are locals.

On that subject, if you care about Chechens so much, why don't you go volunteer there with the Red Cross or something? In the worst case the money for your ransom will help boost their local economy a little and maybe there'll be another finger-cutting video posted to the Internet for me to watch.

I just quoted it after the Amnesty International website. One thing is sure - Russia wants Chechenya to be its puppet and it looks like we're comming back to USSR times. Those people want to have their own country


Polish people are largely the same along with the rest of the people in the region. Kill your neighbor, screw his wife rape his daughter. The Poles, Lats, Liths, Estons and Ukra's all need someone to keep them away from each others throats.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Of course that "someone" is called Russia? :P Papa Putin will make peace in the central Europe! But... why it was Russia causing wars in here for like 400 years?


The Chechens have proven their incapability to co-exist with Russia peacefully in 1999

So Russia showed its incapability to end the conflict and stayed there for next 6 years without achieving anything but destroying the country, killing children and raping women. Welcome back, medieval Europe!


The interesting thing is; their pacification campaign is working. Fewer and fewer Russians are dying every year in the country. Every year there are less and less hardcore insurgents/terrorists.


In this case, the ends justify the means - as any other means wouldn't bring about an end.

Great idea. Why they don't drop a nuke in there? It'd end the problem immediately... Oh wait, I know - soldiers wouldn't have so much fun. :roll:

Somehow I'm close to the thought that Soviets were more civilised.

[five-five-sixer]

Without the Russians being there every tribe in the area would be killing one another endlessly or some other entity would be having the same problems be they British or Turks or Persians or Chinese.
Do they teach this in Russian kidergartens?



five five sixer's Polish people are largely the same along with the rest of the people in the region. Kill your neighbor, screw his wife rape his daughter. The Poles, Lats, Liths, Estons and Ukra's all need someone to keep them away from each others throats.
Oh, yes, I agree completely! They obviously have nothing to do with the superior 'Russian Race'.
Slavic and baltic nations highly resemble tribal muslim society.
Like the Chechen society where, obviously, only ethical principle says "kill your neighbor, screw his wife, rape his daughter"
EOT!

[Baltic]

five five sixer's Polish people are largely the same along with the rest of the people in the region. Kill your neighbor, screw his wife rape his daughter. The Poles, Lats, Liths, Estons and Ukra's all need someone to keep them away from each others throats. :cantbeli:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe you should discuss these things with your doctor?
woot

[nagant_m44]

Too bad you poles coudn't fight the germans this way. Is a third wave of attacks going to come?

[Drako]

Too bad you poles coudn't fight the germans this way. Is a third wave of attacks going to come?

*assaulting nagant* :lol: :lol: I'm done with you so now I'm going to eat some Ukrainian children :lol: :lol: :lol: p-)

[nagant_m44]

Too bad you poles coudn't fight the germans this way. Is a third wave of attacks going to come?

*assaulting nagant* :lol: :lol: I'm done with you so now I'm going to eat some Ukrainian children :lol: :lol: :lol: p-)

Thank you, now i have justification to invade your country(again) and to pacify its barbaric inhabitans :D

[Drako]

Too bad you poles coudn't fight the germans this way. Is a third wave of attacks going to come?

*assaulting nagant* :lol: :lol: I'm done with you so now I'm going to eat some Ukrainian children :lol: :lol: :lol: p-)

Thank you, now i have justification to invade your country(again) and to pacify its barbaric inhabitans :D

Then I'll eat your children too!! :lol:

[nagant_m44]

Too bad you poles coudn't fight the germans this way. Is a third wave of attacks going to come?

*assaulting nagant* :lol: :lol: I'm done with you so now I'm going to eat some Ukrainian children :lol: :lol: :lol: p-)

Thank you, now i have justification to invade your country(again) and to pacify its barbaric inhabitans :D

Then I'll eat your children too!! :lol:

Yea you might, but the NKVD is going to send you to the Gulag(AGAIN) because Comrade Putin doesn't really like poles too much :D

[Drako]

Too bad you poles coudn't fight the germans this way. Is a third wave of attacks going to come?

*assaulting nagant* :lol: :lol: I'm done with you so now I'm going to eat some Ukrainian children :lol: :lol: :lol: p-)

Thank you, now i have justification to invade your country(again) and to pacify its barbaric inhabitans :D

Then I'll eat your children too!! :lol:

Yea you might, but the NKVD is going to send you to the Gulag(AGAIN) because Comrade Putin doesn't really like poles too much :D

I'll wtfpwn you again, so don't bother :D

[RomanS]

yeh Russia is still pretty much behind in everything.

can kick Canadas ass,

[RomanS]

who gives a **** about those antiRussian dumb fuks
not like they can do anything about it. Just cry like little bitches
buyahahahahaahhahahhhaa

COME DO SOMETHING ABOUT ! :lol:

[Kilgor]

IMO, both US and Russia should get a deal going where one doesnt comment on each others war zones.

They both face a common enemy and should STFU over the cheap political points scoring and keep in mind the long term goals.