Who has Nukes in Western Europe?

[sorwe]

Does WestGermany/Italy/ Spain have nuclear weapons?

[kutter]

Nope. AFAIK only Britain and France are the only Western Euro. powers with nukes.

[sp2c]

west germany doesn't exist anymore.

and yeah afaik only the UK and France have nukes but the rest have the stuff and the knowhow to build them in a hurry if need be (let's hope not)

[futurepilot2004]

west germany doesn't exist anymore
rofl

[-Max-]

Only France and the UK have nukes in Europe, but 16 other European countries are nuclear-capable states and could have nukes quickly if they started a nuclear weapons program now... :|

[Freibier]

Germany inofficially has a couple of B-61 Mod.10 (former US) nuclear bombs.

[Wodan]

Germany inofficially has a couple of B-61 Mod.10 (former US) nuclear bombs.

fürs Jagdbombergeschwader 33? Oder wie war das?

[Freibier]

Germany inofficially has a couple of B-61 Mod.10 (former US) nuclear bombs.

fürs Jagdbombergeschwader 33? Oder wie war das?
As far as I know, yes

In unserem Besitz aber nicht unser Eigentum - um technisch gesehen nicht gegen Atomwaffensperrvertrag zu verstossen ...

[Wodan]

Germany inofficially has a couple of B-61 Mod.10 (former US) nuclear bombs.

fürs Jagdbombergeschwader 33? Oder wie war das?
As far as I know, yes

In unserem Besitz aber nicht unser Eigentum - um technisch gesehen nicht gegen Atomwaffensperrvertrag zu verstossen ...

Ja, das ist mir klar, man könnte sagen sie sind "geliehen"

[Koen]

The UK and France have their own nuclear weapons, they are the only westeuropean countries to have them.

But the USA has nuclear weapons stocked in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Spain and I believe in Greece as well ?
And some in the UK.

They are guarded and supervised by US personnel on bases here.

[Lokos]

My two years of learning German come into play...

Ja, sehr gut.

;)

Lokos

[Sayeret]

Here is a list of all the countries we know have nuclear weapons:

Russia / USSR
United Kingdom
France
China

Israel
India
Pakistan
North Korea

Althought many countries or peoples have said that have nuclear weapons:

After the USSR broke apart, then Vice President Aleksandr Rutskoi noted that some tactical nuclear weapons were missing but never said what had happened to them. In September 1993 Moscow News reported that the Chechen republic had paraded SS-20 missiles at a military review in Grozny. The SS-20 is a solid fuel, mobile missile system with a range of 5 to 9,500 kilometers and capable of launching a powerful nuclear charged warhead. All were supposedly destoyed under the INF Treaty. All the missiles of this class have probably been destroyed. However, there were many SS-20 models for crew training. One of the models, allegedly written off, could have gotten into the hands of Chechenya. The Kapustin Yar launching site is situated, like Chechnya, in the North Caucasian military district.

[Lamancha]

To add to the list, I believe South Africa had nuclear weapons or at least a nuclear programme, which they abandoned prior to the end of the apartheid system. As mentioned above, several European nations could easily have nuclear weapons in a few years if they chose to have them; as could Australia and Japan, although the latter would be a political bombshell if it happened. Dunno about Switzerland, which is European-in-location-only. CERN is in Switzerland and so presumably they could make the best and most expensive bombs in the world, finished to a tee, with anti-matter (probably).

[mountainbear]

In Switzerland several institute and High schools research departments study nuclear bombs but it is mostly to know the effect of an explosion. My actual physique teacher said that, in the nuclear physique department of his old university, powerful computerized simulation system where used to calculate the effect of a nuclear bomb against military and civil installations.
Switzerland having nuclear weapons is quite unthinkable for two reasons. First one is that if public find out about it would cause much trouble to the government and army chiefs. Secondly whit the actual defence budget there is no way Switzerland could afford to maintain a nuclear capacity.

[rister]

Switzerland has the technological capabilities to develop nuclear weapons in a short time, there is no evidence they are doing so. During 1946-1969 Switzerland had secret nuclear program that came into light in 1995. By 1963 theoretical basics with detailed technical proposals, specific arsenals, and cost estimates for Swiss nuclear armaments were made. This program was however abandoned partly because of financial costs and by signing the NPT on 27 November 1969.
:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

[Lamancha]

Imagine what they could do with the large hadron collider, though. If they juiced up the power and added a mirror and some lenses to one end they could blow up the moon, probably. Or some tanks, I assume it could easily go through tank armour.

On a more serious level, there has been worry in the news that Japan might potentially go nuclear, if North Korea continues to be a dire threat; the world would become a more frightening place if there was a nuclear arms race in the southern hemisphere, because the old 'get out clause' of nuclear war - sail to Australia, or Tierra Del Fuego - would become moot.

[Coop]

To add to the list, I believe South Africa had nuclear weapons or at least a nuclear programme, which they abandoned prior to the end of the apartheid system. They used to have several nuclear weapons, developed during the 1970s and 1980s: can't recall the exact date, but they even tested one of their nukes somewhere in south Atlantic, either in 1978 or in 1981.

Their nukes also became operational: for example, during the fighting in Angola, in 1987-1988 they have had two Buccaneers armed with nukes on alert.

The whole programm was disbanded, and their nukes destroyed prior to the end of the Aparthaid.

Other countries known to have pursued development of nuclear weapons at one time or the other include Algeria, Brazil, Iraq, Taiwan etc.

[wiking]

Even though the UK and France are the only two nations in Western Europe that have nukes now, i guess any nation with a nuclear power plant could aquire a nuke fairly quickly if they wanted one.

Let me guess, you go to one of those schools that have maps that list countries like West and East Germany and The Soviet union?

[bloddyaxe]

One of my old physics teacher once said that he and a dozen professors from the University could make a nuclear bomb in a year if they were ordered to and got the proper materials and manpower.

[Weasel]

I don´t want to be off-topic but which european countries have biological and/or chemical weapons? And the second question: Are those B and C weapons allowed according to international agreements? As far as I know they have been banned.

[Wodan]

I don´t want to be off-topic but which european countries have biological and/or chemical weapons? And the second question: Are those B and C weapons allowed according to international agreements? As far as I know they have been banned.

germany has chemical weaposn: tear-gas for riot-control

[Weasel]

I don´t want to be off-topic but which european countries have biological and/or chemical weapons? And the second question: Are those B and C weapons allowed according to international agreements? As far as I know they have been banned.

germany has chemical weaposn: tear-gas for riot-control

Ok, I know. :P But who has deadly B and C weapons?

[Lamancha]

I don´t want to be off-topic but which european countries have biological and/or chemical weapons? And the second question: Are those B and C weapons allowed according to international agreements? As far as I know they have been banned.

Definitely Britain, unless Porton Down has changed tack recently and started developing toothpaste / indigestible fat substitutes / non-carcinogenic food colouring etc. As with nuclear weapons, a lot of nations could easily manufacture a large amount of biological and chemical weapons from scratch rather than stockpile large quantites of the stuff. Ken Alibeck's 'Biohazard', which was very popular a efw years ago, suggests that any nation with access to a brewery and the right know-how could brew up some nasty stuff tout-suite. Presumably Germany still has all the information it developed during the two world wars, although if were to come out that the German government had sanctioned the creation of nerve gasses there would be public anger, to put it mildly.

[Para]

Many of the former Russian Satellite countries have the bomb, these where left behind when Russia pulled out of these Countries. Israel, Pakistan, India, North Korea and possibly Iran all have the bomb, it getting near the stage when it will be easier to list those that don't have the bomb.

[Wodan]

I don´t want to be off-topic but which european countries have biological and/or chemical weapons? And the second question: Are those B and C weapons allowed according to international agreements? As far as I know they have been banned.

germany has chemical weaposn: tear-gas for riot-control

Ok, I know. :P But who has deadly B and C weapons?

Well... the question is, if you ask:

Who HAS B or C weapons

or if you ask:

Who would be able to produce some tons of them in half an hour?


on the second, I would count germany, it could produce quickly such thing s as:

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gvw/graphik/Kampfstoffe_Senfgas.gif
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gvw/graphik/Kampfstoffe_Nerven.gif
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gvw/graphik/Kampfstoffe_VX.gif

Russia has 40000 tons of mustard gas,
USA has 31500(of which officially 25% are destroyed),
India has some tosuand tons,
South Korea has some tousand tons,

European countrys are all able to produce mustard gas, sarin, VX and many other chemical weapons, much easier to produce, than nuklear weapons.

On VX:

VX gas can get produced easily and to low costs in a crop protection product plant, it was developed accidently in pre-WW II germany

[Weasel]

I don´t want to be off-topic but which european countries have biological and/or chemical weapons? And the second question: Are those B and C weapons allowed according to international agreements? As far as I know they have been banned.

germany has chemical weaposn: tear-gas for riot-control

Ok, I know. :P But who has deadly B and C weapons?

Well... the question is, if you ask:

Who HAS B or C weapons

or if you ask:

Who would be able to produce some tons of them in half an hour?


on the second, I would count germany, it could produce quickly such thing s as:

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gvw/graphik/Kampfstoffe_Senfgas.gif
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gvw/graphik/Kampfstoffe_Nerven.gif
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~gvw/graphik/Kampfstoffe_VX.gif

Russia has 40000 tons of mustard gas,
USA has 31500(of which officially 25% are destroyed),
India has some tosuand tons,
South Korea has some tousand tons,

European countrys are all able to produce mustard gas, sarin, VX and many other chemical weapons, much easier to produce, than nuklear weapons.

It may be easy to produce those weapons but it´s not that easy to produce larger quantities of - for example - artillery shells.

I think B and C weapons are banned as well as mines, or am I wrong?

[Wodan]

You are right, they are banned

ways of producing mustard gas
http://home.arcor.de/wvwodan/senfgas.jpg

and sarin

http://home.arcor.de/wvwodan/Sarin.jpg

[CountZero]

carefull the department of homeland security is watching

[Wodan]

http://www.sunshine-project.de/Themen/BW_Abwehrforschung_BRD.html @ wiesel and germany+bioweapons

Das sunshine project hat z.B. ein Projekt des Verteidigungsministeriums (BMVg) von Anfang der 1990er Jahre veröffentlicht, bei dem Verfahren zur umfangreichen Produktion von Botulinum-Toxin entwickelt wurden

[Wodan]

carefull the department of homeland security is watching

they can suck my dick, Im german!

[Parzival]

Does WestGermany/Italy/ Spain have nuclear weapons?ehh, West germany ceased exist 16 years ago.....I guess u still think Soviet Union exist too?

[von_Moo142]

carefull the department of homeland security is watching

It's not rocket science. Anyone who's reasonably good at 3rd year degree level organic chemistry could come up with a few synthetic routes to most war gasses.

It's more difficult to actually make them though. Still, after spending a few hours looking through the literature, I bet most decent chem. students could come up with a well planned route to a war gas that included experimental details.

@Wodan

I wouldn't like to mess around with ethylene oxide. I'm pretty sure that I would start from alpha-halogenated ethanol (or the mono-tosylate of glycol) if I wanted to make sulfer mustard. Still, on an industrial scale ethylene oxide is the way to go. Atom efficency and all that...

Still, nice to see some real science here for a change.

[EsoognomEhT]

The most worrying factor is that its only the Navy that has nukes over here now...oh the humanity!

[Sayeret]

I don´t want to be off-topic but which european countries have biological and/or chemical weapons? And the second question: Are those B and C weapons allowed according to international agreements? As far as I know they have been banned.

Here's a pretty good list of WMDs different countries have:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/index.html

[wiking]

Making a chemical weapon isn't that hard.
For example Saltwater and battery acid makes chlorine gas, not exactly the most practical way of manufacture, and finding a delivery system is going to be a bitch, but it is that easy.

Same with explosives, Charcoal, Artificial Fertilicer and Gasoline\Diesel oil\kerosine\heating oil or some other flamable fluid mixed at the right proportions makes an explosive with about 40% of the destructive power of an equal amount of agricultural dynamite.

It's not rocket science, a college student can make a chemical or biological weapon.

[Shadow]

Making a chemical weapon isn't that hard.
For example Saltwater and battery acid makes chlorine gas, not exactly the most practical way of manufacture, and finding a delivery system is going to be a bitch, but it is that easy.

Same with explosives, Charcoal, Artificial Fertilicer and Gasoline\Diesel oil\kerosine\heating oil or some other flamable fluid mixed at the right proportions makes an explosive with about 40% of the destructive power of an equal amount of agricultural dynamite.

It's not rocket science, a college student can make a chemical or biological weapon.

And after this you blow yourself up while using cheap organic peroxides instead of synthesizing something like [Cu(NH3)4](ClO4)2 Tetraminkupferperchlorat (english word?) as initial detonating agent.
:lol:

[wiking]

Hey, I have no chemical knowledge what so ever, that's just commen, avarege, knowledge. ;)

Tetraminkupferperchlorat
I think i recognice\understand some of the words, but i have no bloody clue what it is.

[Shadow]

Hey, I have no chemical knowledge what so ever, that's just commen, avarege, knowledge. ;)

Tetraminkupferperchlorat
I think i recognice\understand some of the words, but i have no bloody clue what it is.

I understand but most guys use stuff they can easily obtain from their local hardware store but this stuff is extremly dangerous but you need it(except you have the stuff for something better) to set off the explosive you mentioned.