Defending Iraq from the cruel Americans

[Federalist]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050309/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_050309133455


Authorities found 26 of the corpses late Tuesday in a field near Rumana, a village about 12 miles east of the western city of Qaim, near the Syrian border, police Capt. Muzahim al-Karbouli and other officials said.

Each of the bodies had been riddled with bullets — apparently several days earlier. They were found wearing civilian clothes and one of the dead was a woman, al-Karbouli said.


South of Baghdad in Latifiya, Iraqi troops on Tuesday made another gruesome discovery, finding 15 headless bodies in a building inside an abandoned former army base, Defense Ministry Capt. Sabah Yassin said.


The bodies included 10 men, three women and two children. Their identities, like the others found in western Iraq, were not known.



Ahhh, the brave freedom fighters continue defending the Iraqi people from American opression. :roll: :bash:

[Shadow Cobra]

Half the so called Iraqi Freedom fighters aren't even from Iraq these days. The insurgents are getting reinforcements from other countries now. Good news being that we killed a lot of the original insurgents. Either that, or blew themselves up. :bash:

[Aerosoul]

Half the so called Iraqi Freedom fighters aren't even from Iraq these days. The insurgents are getting reinforcements from other countries now. Good news being that we killed a lot of the original insurgents. Either that, or blew themselves up. :bash:

Along with thouasnds od civilians.

[American Patriot]

RIP

[usm2b]

I'm beginning to think that "Freedom Fighter" is actually an appropriate term for these insurgents.


I mean if you think about it... they are Fighting Freedom.

[CG51]

funny, they (and the world) view us as the evil ones...

[Apogee]

Keep this rip rap on the politcal rant board.

[Frost]

Did no one ever wondered why the 'freedom fighters' don't want to have any press around??

If I was a real freadom figther fighting an army which is opressing me doing evil things, than I want every camera in the world with me when I'm doing good things and I want to show them what bad things the enemy is doing.

In the case of the Iraqi's, the 'freedom fighters' are the ones who are evil, attacking innocent civilians. Those ****ing bastards must die.

[RGRBOX]

If they keep this up, there want be anymore PEOPLE living over there. It will just be the Freedom Fighters, American Army and CNN.... :cantbeli:

[Rifleman]

If they keep this up, there want be anymore PEOPLE living over there. It will just be the Freedom Fighters, American Army and CNN.... :cantbeli:

rofl

[sp2c]

then there'd be no more iraqi's in Iraq

[Locked N Loaded]

RIP

May the skum who did this die a slow and painfull death!..... :fork:

L n L

[sp2c]

x2

[Umm-Qasr]

It seems there 's no end to this .. RIP :(

[Sir Zach of R.]

If they keep this up, there want be anymore PEOPLE living over there. It will just be the Freedom Fighters, American Army and CNN.... :cantbeli:

Well then we could just hand over Iraq to the terrorists, and then nuke it. Notice how I didn't say anything about CNN. :lol:

[Filbert Fox]

Half the so called Iraqi Freedom fighters aren't even from Iraq these days.
Pentagon puts the number of non-Iraqi Fighters at just 5%.

[Jani.R]

Keep this rip rap on the politcal rant board.

Finally somebody else too who hates "RIP" messages, welcome to the club!

[Filbert Fox]

what do you expect? where ever there are forces of occupation there will be resistance, and it goes back to the dawn of time, as do reprisals for assisting these forces.
Recent examples can be easily seen in Northern Ireland, where the para-militaries targeted Police, cleaners, buisnesses that supplied the SF etc..
France during WWII, although doing the same as the Iraqi insurgents are at the moment, the French resistance were called heroes.

Itll keep happening in Iraq too, I used to dread walking past the parked up fuel tankers in case they were wired.
IMHO I think that even when the elected govt is up and running that there will be resistance, many will see it as a US puppet govt and as long as our troops are on the ground there will be attacks.
Its nothing new, and no doubt in the future there will be resistance in other occupied lands, its a fact of life and with the beliefs of the people over there, there will be no shortage of those willing to die for it.
and of course, as long as prisoner abuse stories keep cropping up about US and Brit forces there will be people wanting revenge.

[DPGLAW]

I'm beginning to think that "Freedom Fighter" is actually an appropriate term for these insurgents.


I mean if you think about it... they are Fighting Freedom.

LoL....thats true, I never thought of it that way but you are correct, they are fighting freedom so I guess they are freedom fighters, unfortunately I dont think that they view it in the same light. Although their calls to fight to get rid of democracy might qualify them,

[Werewolf01]

[quote="Frost"]Did no one ever wondered why the 'freedom fighters' don't want to have any press around??


It's hard to convince a journalist to imbed with a suicide bomber. ;)

[M1A2U2]

then there'd be no more iraqi's in Iraq
US would still be blamed for it

[Jobu]

France during WWII, although doing the same as the Iraqi insurgents are at the moment, the French resistance were called heroes.


The French resistance cut off babies' heads?

[abncougar]

funny, they (and the world) view us as the evil ones...

and the left.......

[RGRBOX]

RIP

May the skum who did this die a slow and painfull death!..... :fork:

L n L

They probably won't, those little fvckers prefer to explode and leave quickly. No balls....

[RGRBOX]

France during WWII, although doing the same as the Iraqi insurgents are at the moment, the French resistance were called heroes.


The French resistance cut off babies' heads?

Yea, and look where that got us.....

[RGRBOX]

then there'd be no more iraqi's in Iraq
US would still be blamed for it

No ****....

[Russ.Dill]

France during WWII, although doing the same as the Iraqi insurgents are at the moment, the French resistance were called heroes.


Show me a case of the french resistence bombing a french funeral procession.

[M1A2U2]

You have to understand thaat filbert has selective memory. He choses to compare a western inncident to what is happening in iraw to make some kind of point that "all humans are the same" Of course to do this take complete disregarde for actually facts

[Filbert Fox]

Show me a case of the french resistence bombing a french funeral procession.
Bet they didnt attack weddings with their aircraft either!!
Theres no doubt that all sides in every war have commited atrocities, even the French resistance, who also murdered those that they saw as German sympathisers.

As long as we are in Iraq and incidents such as the prisoner abuses, wedding attacks and the fact that we are there, there will be a resistance to us. we can whinge and moan as much as we like about the insurgents, but they only exist in Iraq because we have caused their existance.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Ah, the good ol' Bait and Switch. You can't respond approriately to what was asked, so you must change the subject in an attempt to not fail again.

[Filbert Fox]

what? because I dont have statistics at hand to say whether the French cut off babies heads or bombed funerals?
Be real.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Expecting you to do reasearch to back up your claims and discredit the claims of others? Why that would be debating, instead of ass-speak. Damn what was I smoking, to think you'd be able to do that?

[Filbert Fox]

surely I dont have to prove anything, history shows what Ive said about resistance to occupation.
Show me one country that has been occupied by an invading force that didnt have some form of resistance.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Theres a large difference between resistance against military targets, and terrorist attacks perpetrated against civilians. The fact that you can't or won't, draw a distinction between the two, quite frankly is appalling. End of story. People like you aren't worth the pixels it takes to type.

[Filbert Fox]

all resistance target civilian targets, usually those that they see as collaborators, in the insurgents eyes, Shia muslims are seen as collaborators.
Take the blinkers off and look at the bigger picture, anyone whos been out there knows this.

[BarkingSquirrel]

Congratulations, you're a wanker.

Where's you're proof that all modern resistance to occupattions are targeted against civilians? Why do you willing choose not to draw the moral distinction between attacks against military targets, and terrorism against civilians?

I'll save us some time and tell you why. You're a sympathizer. Even OBD doesn't suck as much terrorist **** as you do.

[Filbert Fox]

thank you, great comeback, Ill take that as you know Im right, cheers :D

[BarkingSquirrel]

You're not right, and you will never be right. Terrorist attacks against civilians is not a valid definition of resistance against occupation.

[Filbert Fox]

youve lost all respect that you may have had for what I thought was quite a good debate with your childish remarks, I put your age at around 14, 15 tops. pity really.

[BarkingSquirrel]

I'm still waiting for that proof. Conjecture need not apply. Also, I couldn't care less if a sympathizer has any respect for me.

[Filbert Fox]

I say again:


all resistance target civilian targets, usually those that they see as collaborators, in the insurgents eyes, Shia muslims are seen as collaborators.
Take the blinkers off and look at the bigger picture, anyone whos been out there knows this.
you obviously havent been there and you have no idea about the situation on the ground, military or political.

[Shadow Cobra]

Filbert Fox wrote:
youve lost all respect that you may have had for what I thought was quite a good debate with your childish remarks, I put your age at around 14, 15 tops. pity really.[/quote]

Please don't insult my age group. :bash:

[Shadow Cobra]

Filbert Fox wrote

Shadow Cobra wrote:
Half the so called Iraqi Freedom fighters aren't even from Iraq these days.

Pentagon puts the number of non-Iraqi Fighters at just 5%

Half was an exaggeration created to make a point, but it is probable that the actual number of non-Iraqi Fighters is greater than just 5%. The Pentagon may be good at gathering intelligence, but it's not like the insurgents are going to sit still for a head count of who is and who is not an actual Iraqi. Plus the longer the war goes on, the more people come in from other countries to fight us. So as we kill more and more of the original terrorists, the percentage of those from outside Iraq will probably increase.

[WARPIG]

Wholly crap, let's sweat the details. No one has bothered to do any real digging about what the make up of the "insurgents" is yet everyone seems to think it friggin matters. Our resident embedded expert Fox seems to think that this is all just typical "fighting the man" resistance. Not even close. The French were occupied because NAZI Germany saw fit to annex their country like they were some squatters on some future site of a US interstate. Iraq is not occupied, but liberated. Liberated sounds all warm and fuzzy but when any semblance of government is a burning pile of debris, then some Iraqi's may tend to get disgruntled. Now add a few terrorists to the mix and a handful of pissed of unemployed Arabs can turn into "insurgents" pretty neatly. One thing that Filbert Fox did seem to hit the mark on is that this is all pretty much par for the course. I mean, a regime change isn't really a trip to Disney World. How long before Europe became a viable power after WWII? Oh, lemme guess, the old "they weren't as extreme as Islamic culture. How about the Japanese?
What is the point? Picking at the details doesn't really get you the big picture. These "Freedom Fighters" are just terrorist fueled hold outs whose days are numbered. I mean really, is it more believable that all these dirt balls are doing this to fight the great white evil, or a desperate fight to hold on to their local form of organized crime?

Just my two cents.

[Filbert Fox]

Filbert Fox wrote

Half was an exaggeration created to make a point, but it is probable that the actual number of non-Iraqi Fighters is greater than just 5%.
I believe that the Pentagon got that number from the number of fighters captured and killed in Fallujah.



These "Freedom Fighters" are just terrorist fueled hold outs whose days are numbered

unfortunately that may prove to be wishfull thinking.