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FallenAngel
11-12-2003, 06:35 PM
All I can say is it's a friggin' war zone....what the hell do they expect?


U.S. Troops More Hostile With Reporters
1 hour, 23 minutes ago

By SLOBODAN LEKIC, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - With casualties mounting in Iraq (news - web sites), jumpy U.S. soldiers are becoming more aggressive in their treatment of journalists covering the conflict.


Media people have been detained, news equipment has been confiscated and some journalists have suffered verbal and physical abuse while trying to report on events.


Although the number of incidents involving soldiers and journalists is difficult to gauge, anecdotal evidence suggests it has risen sharply the past two months.


The president of the Associated Press Managing Editors, an association of editors at AP's more than 1,700 newspapers in the United States and Canada, sent a protest leader to the Pentagon (news - web sites) on Wednesday urging officials to "immediately take the steps to end such confrontations."


"The effect has been to deprive the American public of crucial images from Iraq in newspapers, broadcast stations and online news operations," wrote Stuart Wilk, managing editor of The Dallas Morning News.


In October, the Belgium-based International Federation of Journalists, which includes unions representing 500,000 journalists in more than 100 countries, complained of increased harassment of reporters, including beatings of some, since the fall of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime.


"Guidance has been passed to units throughout the coalition explicitly stating that reporters are not to be interfered with or cameras and films seized," said Maj. William Thurmond at the Coalition Press and Information Center.


"Does that take place all the time? No." Thurmond said. "We are aware that individual soldiers have not followed those instructions."


The military command says it's working to cut down on incidents by issuing credentials and badges to journalists. This system worked well with embedded reporters during the war, when confrontations were almost unheard of.


But as coalition forces come under increasing pressure from guerrilla attacks — 37 American soldiers have died so far in November — signs of stress are evident.


A number of journalists, particularly Iraqis and other Arabs working for foreign media organizations, say they are now routinely threatened at gunpoint if they try to film the aftermath of guerrilla attacks. Some have been arrested and held for short periods.


Sami Awad, a Lebanese cameraman working as a freelancer for a German TV network, said that when his crew tried to check out a report Friday about hand grenades being thrown at a U.S. patrol in Baghdad, they encountered a roadblock at which soldiers told him to go ahead and film.


But as the crew proceeded down the street, more soldiers appeared, threw them to the ground and pointed their weapons at their heads, Awad said.


"They checked our identity badges and then let us go, saying they thought we were with Al-Jazeera," he said. "Each group of soldiers acts on its own, and most of them are very scared and inexperienced."


Al-Jazeera, the Qatar-based television network, has repeatedly been accused by U.S. officials of biased reporting, charges the station denies.


Two weeks ago, coalition troops detained two Al-Jazeera staffers covering an explosion at a police station in western Baghdad on allegations they had prior knowledge of the car bombing. Al-Jazeera dismissed the charges as ridiculous, and the men were later freed.


A TV news producer in Baghdad for a major U.S. television network said his crews had been threatened at least 10 times in recent weeks with confiscation of their equipment. He asked not to be quoted by name because of his company's policy against giving interviews to other media.





Journalists have been shot at several times by U.S. troops, including an incident in August in which ******* television cameraman Mazen Dana was killed while videotaping near a U.S.-run prison on the outskirts of Baghdad following a mortar attack.

The military later said the troops had mistaken Dana's camera for a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. An investigation concluded the soldiers "acted within the rules of engagement," although the U.S. Army has never publicly announced those rules, citing security reasons.

In September, U.S. soldiers shot up the car of an Associated Press photographer in Khaldiyah after an American convoy was hit with a roadside bomb. The photographer, Karim Kadim, and his Iraqi driver jumped from the car and ran for cover when they saw a tank aim at them. They were shot at with a machine gun as they ran and the car was badly damaged. Neither man was hurt.

In the same incident, a U.S. tank's .50-caliber machine gun fired at AP correspondent Tarek al-Issawi as he viewed the scene from a nearby rooftop. He also escaped injury.

AP filed a protest and U.S. commanders promised to investigate, but no information on the results of the probe has been received.

After a series of missile and rocket attacks in recent weeks on the so-called "Green Zone" in central Baghdad that houses the U.S.-led occupation administration, security precautions there have been tightened to unprecedented levels.

As a result, journalists invited to cover news conferences at the press center are now required to arrive 90 minutes early to be frisked and have their equipment checked by sniffer dogs. But guards can announce without warning that the building is closed, blocking those still waiting in line outside from entering.

"If you don't like the way the military works, I can't help you," Capt. William Pickett told a group of reporters left standing outside the gate after being invited to cover a briefing Monday with Australia's defense minister, Robert Hill.

NcDeuce
11-12-2003, 07:47 PM
http://www.mccsc.edu/~lschmidt/baby.gif

Media

usa320
11-12-2003, 08:54 PM
Ya know what id tell them bastards of TV?

http://www.x-plane.org/users/usa320/wonka-youlose2.gif

16 OBr SpN
11-12-2003, 09:01 PM
That's media as usual.
They stick their noses to places they shouldn't be, and later they whine if that nose almost gets cut off. :)

But those OSCE, Red Cross, and other human rights freaks are much worse. Believe me. You save their life in a battle, and later you are a "murderer of civilians". We had hundereds of cases like that in Chechnya.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

Deuterium
11-12-2003, 09:07 PM
That's media as usual.
They stick their noses to places they shouldn't be, and later they whine if that nose almost gets cut off. :)

But those OSCE, Red Cross, and other human rights freaks are much worse. Believe me. You save their life in a battle, and later you are a "murderer of civilians". We had hundereds of cases like that in Chechnya.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

I'm with your brother. I've got similar stories. I especially like "Doctors Without Equipment"

hedgehog
11-12-2003, 09:11 PM
Yeah, who really wants freedom of the press... they did well without it in the good old USSR and Nazi Germany. C'mon next you are going to tell me you agreee with the US government telling all major networks not to portray actions of the White House as negative? Don't you believe in the US Bill of Rights? We just had rememberance day here in Canada yesterday .. I think in the states its called Veterans day.. so everything should be fresh in our minds what all those sacrifices in the past were for..FREEDOM.. all types of Freedom.. So the military looks bad on TV sometimes.. tough deal with it, but I'd rather have bad news than no news at all. At least if you see a report, you can question its validity by asking those questions it did not answer. ex. was the reporter right in the middle of a mob, or standing next to a guy firing a machine gun, or was he filming a base for scouting purposes?
Those are my two cents

Operation Ivy
11-12-2003, 09:22 PM
Heres what i think of the media

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/Tank11.jpg

16 OBr SpN
11-12-2003, 09:25 PM
That's media as usual.
They stick their noses to places they shouldn't be, and later they whine if that nose almost gets cut off. :)

But those OSCE, Red Cross, and other human rights freaks are much worse. Believe me. You save their life in a battle, and later you are a "murderer of civilians". We had hundereds of cases like that in Chechnya.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

I'm with your brother. I've got similar stories. I especially like "Doctors Without Equipment"

Oh yes!
Did you mean "Doctors Without Frontiers"? Those guys should be given the Olympic medal for whining! Truly No. 1 in whiners' Hall of Fame! :)

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

Seoulstriker
11-12-2003, 09:40 PM
Heres what i think of the media

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/Tank11.jpg


nice MS art. :hug:

Operation Ivy
11-12-2003, 09:41 PM
Thank You woot :hug:

Durandal
11-12-2003, 10:00 PM
rofl

Ratamacue
11-12-2003, 10:02 PM
Operation Ivy, ever consider going to a Tankaholics Anonymous meeting? Might want to look into any groups in your area.

Operation Ivy
11-12-2003, 10:07 PM
Operation Ivy, ever consider going to a Tankaholics Anonymous meeting? Might want to look into any groups in your area.

rofl rofl If only that exsisted :(

GLax
11-12-2003, 10:45 PM
Yeah, who really wants freedom of the press... they did well without it in the good old USSR and Nazi Germany. C'mon next you are going to tell me you agreee with the US government telling all major networks not to portray actions of the White House as negative? Don't you believe in the US Bill of Rights? We just had rememberance day here in Canada yesterday .. I think in the states its called Veterans day.. so everything should be fresh in our minds what all those sacrifices in the past were for..FREEDOM.. all types of Freedom.. So the military looks bad on TV sometimes.. tough deal with it, but I'd rather have bad news than no news at all. At least if you see a report, you can question its validity by asking those questions it did not answer. ex. was the reporter right in the middle of a mob, or standing next to a guy firing a machine gun, or was he filming a base for scouting purposes?
Those are my two cents

its not that we dont like what they have to say or we dont value others opinions, its that it seems like media ppl are being whiny little pussys and it gets annoying...

Ngati Tumatauenga
11-12-2003, 11:22 PM
"Each group of soldiers acts on its own, and most of them are very scared and inexperienced."


Al-Jazeera, the Qatar-based television network, has repeatedly been accused by U.S. officials of biased reporting, charges the station denies.

Er...yeah.....right,whatever.

Jack Mehoff
11-12-2003, 11:25 PM
Heres what i think of the media

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/Tank11.jpg

Your artistic talent deserves a http://www.fraggamers.com/forum/images/smiles/clap.gif

With a few more years of practice and you will be as good as Jack Mehoff

James
11-12-2003, 11:38 PM
its not that we dont like what they have to say or we dont value others opinions, its that it seems like media ppl are being whiny little pussys and it gets annoying...

Well... not to knock them, but they are civilians, and their major concerns aren't life and death like the soldiers.

After I left active duty and went back to school, I had a part time job in the library. One evening, a brathless young woman came rushing up to the desk and exclaimed that she had an emergency. What did I think? A) I needed to start CPR on someone instantly, or B) I needed to grab a fire extinguisher and take care of a conflagration. Those were the two "emergencies" that crossed my mind. Alas, neither was accurate.

She had an overdue library book, and din't want to suffer a $.50 fine for turning her book in a day late.

In my brief experience with life, people who have never been in the military or another stressful occupation (I'm thinking law enforcement and emergency medicine now) have a far different standerd of emergency than people who have spent time in these occupations.

Anyway the journalists complained of verbal and physical abuse? Our own soldiers and marines experience that every day for months during boot camp.

Different standards.

wholagun
11-12-2003, 11:49 PM
Despite media being a profit oriented organization, it is none the less a key component of Democratic societies. And treating anyone like that is not proper, even the enemy.

ArmedPacifist
11-12-2003, 11:57 PM
Nobody is forcing them to stay there, I don't blame the soldiers for being rough with the media (if they are at all). If a bunch of reporters starting taking snap shots and rolling film of a friend of mine who was just killed trying to get the best picture I think I would be rough with them too. There vultures, plain and simple. Nobody is forcing them to stay there so if they don't like it they are free to leave.

wholagun
11-13-2003, 12:07 AM
You know for ppl like me who can't be in the military. The media play a key role, they let me see the consequences for either supporting a war, or show me pictures of why im thankful for not supporting a war.
By limmiting waht the media can or can't film or shoot, you are heading down a slippery slope especially in nation that prides itself on its democratic values.
That's not to say that new ppl should not have code of ethics concerning dead bodies.
Then again, I always believed that unless your willing to to face the consequences of your decision ( in this case sending troops to war, possibly dying) then you should question your willingness to send them.

Russian Texan
11-13-2003, 12:19 AM
People what are you talking about? Media is never free/independent it always expresses whoever ownssponsors it point of view. Media is always biased one way or another and oh yeah, newsflash, it lies sometimes in order to create hype or sensation. Do you think journalist that reports about regular everydays events is ever going to win a "Pulitzer prize"? No, but the one who writes in details about police/military brutality will sure get attention. Journalists love disasters, wars, crimes, etc because it gives them something to talk about. A lot of times they would twist facts and make up stuff just to make a story juicier. And thing that gets me the most is how they are trying to appear experts on anything often talking about things that they have no knowledge about. Two examples come to my mind:

Remember, couple of weeks ago, when the lawyer was shot outside the court house. Well, one of the FOX News anchors counted number of shots fired and proclaimed "yeah there were 8 shots therefore it must have been a revolver." I have dropped my jaw to the floor...

One another occasion a different anchor from the same channel while talking about B52s stated that "her father flew on one of those during WW2"...

P.S. How come no one shot Heraldo Rivera yet?

Jack Mehoff
11-13-2003, 12:37 AM
You know for ppl like me who can't be in the military. The media play a key role, they let me see the consequences for either supporting a war, or show me pictures of why im thankful for not supporting a war.
By limmiting waht the media can or can't film or shoot, you are heading down a slippery slope especially in nation that prides itself on its democratic values.
That's not to say that new ppl should not have code of ethics concerning dead bodies.
Then again, I always believed that unless your willing to to face the consequences of your decision ( in this case sending troops to war, possibly dying) then you should question your willingness to send them.

Is that mean the media are allow to broadcast sensitive information like troop movement, weapons, soldiers' identities, etc. for the world to see? :bash: There are a lot of things in the military that the media SHOULD NOT know. Heck!! there are things in the military that ordinary soldier like myself should not know.

martinexsquaddie
11-13-2003, 06:40 AM
The media are like Bugs something your just going have to learn to tolerate 24 hour news makes it worse they push video out without the time to work out what there looking at.
Two stories From the Gulf my friend was stitting in a trench bored when some TV crew came up and pestered them to shoot off some rounds so they could get some film :lol: eventually persuaded to go bother the US unit down the road sure enough half an hour later sounds of gunfire could be heard :| .
Later on they got a message on the Net that US forces were blowing an ammo dump about 2k away as you do on those occasions you take cover
somebody warned the "independent media" what was about to happen only for them to everybodys asmusement burble into camera about how they were under fire when the dump blew :)

WARPIG
11-13-2003, 08:16 AM
Based on a few personal interactions.. media consider verbal abuse " get that camera out of my face before I stomp it to pieces you ****!" Physical abuse is when a media group tries to push it's way past you and you have to physically restrain them or simply protect yourself. If I am standing a post, armed, and someone tries to physically push me, I have to protect myself, and that firearm. Media knows that and uses it to play that "bully" card.
If my buddies die and a gaggle of people who historically have been advertising US body count like "scores" for the visiting team, comes rushing in to get images of his dead carcass.. well I think a little bit of restraint on my part is a little bit much to ask.
If the media want to roam the battlfield to get good footage of "action" ..well what better footage can you get when your mistaken for a combatant and tracers are raining in on you? My opinion, if your stupid enough to brave bullets for a good "story," expect to get shot. If your freedom of speech is more important than your freedom of thought, well a little ass whoopin by some grunts that just lost some comrads is just what you need.

Adri
11-13-2003, 11:00 AM
well, it's a free press....just say that they are wrong and if the public don't belive you then prove it, that is how it works....

if the media wasn't there then all kinds of bad stuff could happend

NcDeuce
11-13-2003, 11:22 AM
I SAY AGAIN...


http://www.mccsc.edu/~lschmidt/baby.gif

Media

rofl

ArmedPacifist
11-13-2003, 01:07 PM
In "western culture" the media has certain rights, but I remind you these reporters are in Iraq where they have 0 rights.

The Walrus
11-13-2003, 01:53 PM
Some people here just take too many things for granted, if you don't like the free-press, then go to Iran, North Korea or China and then see what you have to say about the free media, my parents had to live like that in the Soviet Union, with no way of knowing what the government was actually doing in places like Afghanistan, as far as the state-press was concerned they were building hospitals and schools and giving women equal rights. The media doesn't tow the government line because that's supposed to be it's purpose in a free democratic society, people make a choice as to where they get they're news from, if they don't want to hear about trouble in Iraq and want to read about US soldiers building schools, helping locals etc they listen to the many right-wing pro-government news stations that exist in America.

pinkeye
11-13-2003, 02:22 PM
i'm assuming many of you did not watch the excellent pbs two-part documentary "reporting america at war". bitch and complain all you want about the media, whether it's too liberal or simply a tool of the state, but it's still critical to any healthy democratic system. those who think the media do nothing but whine should think about immigrating to north korea where they won't have to put with such nonsense (sarcasm for those who missed it).

here's a link to an interview with the filmaker responsible for the documentary:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19429-2003Nov9.html

WARPIG
11-13-2003, 02:46 PM
Good point. The problem with free press is that we have to be able to take the bull**** with the truth. If we try and control the media we twist the bias in our favor, if we let the media have free reign, we have to put up with the sensationalism and individual bias. There are virtually no true unbiased media sources. Every picture, article, and report are open to interpretation.
I think I would rather muddle through free press than be held to a controlled media.

WARPIG
11-13-2003, 02:49 PM
"The function of the press in society is to inform, but its role in society is to make money."
-A. J. Liebling,
I skewed point of view is better than blindness. -warpig :lol:

pinkeye
11-13-2003, 04:28 PM
"The function of the press in society is to inform, but its role in society is to make money."
-A. J. Liebling,
I skewed point of view is better than blindness. -warpig :lol:

and let's not forget that the media also caters to its audience. unfortunately, since most media is privately-owned, and thus dependent on ratings in order to generate profits through adveritising, etc., sensationalism is the order of the day because that's what sells. people tune in for the freeway chases, the shoot-outs, stories of killer bees and killer escalators, explosions in baghdad. *** and violence sell, not stories about iraqi children having access to clean water and how many new schools have been built throughout the country. it's easy to criticise the media, yet we also have to look in the mirror.

Operation Ivy
11-13-2003, 04:34 PM
Your artistic talent deserves a

With a few more years of practice and you will be as good as Jack Mehoff


Ill keep trying Jack ;)