Some articles to think about....

[Skaman]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/11/11/britain.bush.poll.ap/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3262629.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1082289,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1083106,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3259489.stm


Things are not looking too good for the Iraqi people and current American adminisration. Was Ducimus right ALL ALONG???

[Skaman]

oops, double post. :cantbeli: Hood, can you delete one of the threads?

[Operation Ivy]

I dont hate you or anything, i respect people opinons, but this is just gonna start another flame war,which you yourself said is ruining this site :(

[Skaman]

I dont hate you or anything, i respect people opinons, but this is just gonna start another flame war,which you yourself said is ruining this site :(

why is this going to start a flame war? They are IMPORTANT articles americans seem to ignore and should recognize. These are VERY credible web sites, so no one can regard them as "anti american"

[EvanL]

Well i think people should read these articles and be more aware, but i think your history with some people on this site will just make them flame. Let them do their thing for most of them know not what they say, but dont add flames to fire man.

[Seoulstriker]

CNN, guardian, and BBC.


:cantbeli:

[EvanL]

would you prefer fox news? rofl

[James]

Things are not looking too good for the Iraqi people and current American adminisration. Was Ducimus right ALL ALONG???

I agree that things are not looking good in Iraq, and I appreciate the fact that you chose to write "American administration" rather than referring to the entire population of my beloved country. I also don't know if I would say that you are right - thousands of people around the world (Americans too - myself included) have been thinking about these things for a while.

The articles were interesting.

[usa320]

It will take time, it will be hard and ugly, but eventually freedom will prevail over tyranny.

Our only option now is to stop bitching and work together as a country and as an international community to do it right.

[Seoulstriker]

would you prefer fox news? rofl

i would prefer a balance to the news sources. particularly i would want alternatives newspapers and networks that don't "*** up" their reports against our forces in Iraq like in the BBC and NYT.

[Ratamacue]

Seoul, just nod and smile. Let's not turn this into another media bias thread.

[Seoulstriker]

Seoul, just nod and smile. Let's not turn this into another media bias thread.

i don't want to turn it into a bias thread, but it's something you have to consider. using the CNN, NYT, and BBC as the sources is comparable to using Al Jazeera.

[Jack Mehoff]

I dont hate you or anything, i respect people opinons, but this is just gonna start another flame war,which you yourself said is ruining this site :(

why is this going to start a flame war? They are IMPORTANT articles americans seem to ignore and should recognize. These are VERY credible web sites, so no one can regard them as "anti american"

I thought you said something about CNN is pro-Bush not that long ago.

and bbc news with their 17 year old U.S Special Forces rofl

[rokus2595]

CNN, guardian, and BBC.


:cantbeli:

Fox news, cnn, msnbc, ...... :cantbeli:

[Skaman]

whats ironic, is as soon as I post something damaging to the American status from a gernerally biased Western news source, they all shut up.


Does no one have anything to say? No rebutle, not Ducimus is a yankee hater, no this thread is gay?

Im happy and somewhat surprised I didnt get jumped on this time.

[Skaman]

Seoul, just nod and smile. Let's not turn this into another media bias thread.

i don't want to turn it into a bias thread, but it's something you have to consider. using the CNN, NYT, and BBC as the sources is comparable to using Al Jazeera.


when I dont use cnn, bbc, and NYT, the websites are considered bias and liberal. TELL ME SEOUL< WHAT NEWS SOURCE SHOULD I BE USING OH DIVINE ONE????

[sasr2]

The situation is terrible, and getting worse...Its all well and good to have a guy like Bremer there saying great stuff about the Iraqis, but seriously what do think the average grunt on the ground would be treating them?? I remember reading an article in Time magazine, with an article about a US patrol, a 19yr old was gearing up telling his buddies that " I want to kill an Iraqi tonight"...hmmm, you can only imagine all of the other PR nrattling from the grunts mouths every day and night eh?

[Ratamacue]

Maybe he meant an insurgent?

[sasr2]

Most people would want to do their patrol and do it right...his outlook in the context of the article was Any Iraqi..given the chance...Did you hear that you guys shot at a mayor today?? Insurgents eh...are you sure they aren't trigger happy good ole boys who want to down a towel head?? You guys have no idea who is an insurgent or not do you? Ex Baathist loyalists, foreign militants...tell me what uniform they waer that is different to the local citizen???

[Seoulstriker]

Seoul, just nod and smile. Let's not turn this into another media bias thread.

i don't want to turn it into a bias thread, but it's something you have to consider. using the CNN, NYT, and BBC as the sources is comparable to using Al Jazeera.


when I dont us cnn, bcc, and NYT, the websites are considered bias and liberal. TELL ME SEOUL< WHAT NEWS SOURCE SHOULD I BE USING OH DIVINE ONE????

try a news source that isn't the BBC, CNN, or NYT, or your favorite one: Al Jazeera. :P

[Skaman]

Seoul, just nod and smile. Let's not turn this into another media bias thread.

i don't want to turn it into a bias thread, but it's something you have to consider. using the CNN, NYT, and BBC as the sources is comparable to using Al Jazeera.


when I dont us cnn, bcc, and NYT, the websites are considered bias and liberal. TELL ME SEOUL< WHAT NEWS SOURCE SHOULD I BE USING OH DIVINE ONE????

try a news source that isn't the BBC, CNN, or NYT, or your favorite one: Al Jazeera. :P


You tool, go to the thread on american foul ups, those were none of your listed sources, yet they are still bias and anti american. I have openly criticized al-jazera and CNN yet you will not provide me with a viable News Source.

[JF45]

Read the articles and not sure how you came to the conclusion that you were right about the war all along.

First one is just about a poll in Britain. Whether 964 people believe the war was right or wrong is not proof that things are going well or badly. The only thing it shows is people's opinion, many which were probably decided before the war even began.

The second article also doesn't question the war. Other than the eye-drawing title, it only really discusses options on the table. Other than that, it's full of "it's said", "might", "they say", and BBC correspondents' opinions. It reads more like interpretations of what they see rather than what's going on.

The third article is an opinion piece. It argues a single point under the questionable assumption that Hussein made an under-the-table attempt for diplomacy. Yet, up until the first bomb was dropped, normal diplomatic channels to both the US and the UN were still open. An opinion piece of a single person is again not proof of whether the war was right or wrong. It was just one person's opinion.

The fourth article brings up medical problems that MAY occur in the future. They also MAY NOT. Again, it doesn't question whether the war was right or wrong. It simply discusses possibilities. That's hardly what one would consider proof.

The fifth article is essentially the same as the fourth one. It doesn't bring up any new points or facts, just reiterate some possibilities IF things don't change.

Guess you just saw what you wanted to see.

[WARPIG]

Anti Bush articles are a dime a dozen. Big deal. The reports about health are not accurate. They are not wrong but like most posts that dicamus writes they are just bits and pieces of facts that some reporter has taken editorial liberty to make his point of view. The fact that the war has damaged health care and the general quality of living in Iraq... well is stating the obvious isn't it? War has a tendency to do that. Hospitals are being rebuilt, and government programs to administer care don't exist. Hmm big surprise.
As far as the ramped up schedule to put more Iraqi's in charge of the government.. well what do you expect? No help from the EU so the US needs to put more control into Iraqi hands so they can use their oil to pay for improvements. More Iraqi control also means less anti US resentment. We can turn more US assets toward security and intel while reconstruction is handled more and more by Iraq.
People whining because of the reasons for going to war will continue forever.
Good articles dicamus19. But, they are only a small part of the whole truth. One tangent based on personal bias. No you have never been right, and that is still the case. I really applaud your vigor in finding these bits and pieces of facts. I just wish you would seek more complete ideas though. You seem so intent on just gathering anti-US factoids that you don't get any perspective of what is going on. Seriously, think of a post that seeks the whole truth. Stop being satisfied with the bits and pieces that you like.

[Smintjes]

Seoul, just nod and smile. Let's not turn this into another media bias thread.

i don't want to turn it into a bias thread, but it's something you have to consider. using the CNN, NYT, and BBC as the sources is comparable to using Al Jazeera.

And our day prize for the most stupid remark goes to... SeoulStriker!