US expats in Britain face 'anti-Bushism'

[jdbjdb]

Thursday 13 November 2003, 16:28 Makka Time, 13:28 GMT

One million people participated in an anti-war rally in London this year

London protests over Iraq and Palestine
London leads anti-war protests

The goodwill that Brits developed for Americans after 11 September has evaporated and the blame is being laid firmly at the door of US President George Bush.

After the twin tower attacks, a military band broke with tradition and played the American national anthem at the Changing of the Guard ceremony at Buckingham Palace. Less than 18 months later, one million people took to London's streets to protest against the forthcoming war in Iraq.

Now with President Bush heading to British to see Tony Blair for what should have been a triumphal reunion with his closest ally, the 200,000 Americans living in London are reflecting on how times have changed.

They recall with wonder how the British dropped their innate reserve after the attacks on 11 September 2001. But now, after wars in Afghanistan and Iraq where British and Americans fought side by side, they face a wave not of anti-Americanism but anti-Bushism.

#1 most hated country in the world, The United States of America
#2 Israel, And all were doing is enforcing international law and freeing the oppressed :cantbeli:
A spit in the face of our President is a spit in the face of ever American.

[Royal]

#1 most hated country in the world, The United States of America
#2 Israel, And all were doing is enforcing international law and freeing the oppressed :cantbeli:
A spit in the face of our President is a spit in the face of ever American.

The point about enforcing international law is a debatable one and continues to exercise people with a far better knowledge of law than I will ever have.

The 'spin' used to justify the war to the British people means that they now believe very little that any politician says. Americans may not be despised here, but President Bush certainly is. Then again there remains an equally antagonistic attitude to both France and Germany too - so don't worry, you're not alone. ;)

I'm afraid that I can say with confidence that President Bush is even less popular in the UK armed forces than President Blair...

I'm not even going to get into the Isreal/Palestine issue.

[duck]

And how about the anti-bushist situation in Austin, Texas?

[RealUltimatePower]

I don't see how America is the most hated country in the world. Sure it's nice the say that with all the anti-American protestors on the news. But it all depends on where you go and who you talk to. Generalizing that the States is the most hated is stupid. I'm not American I'm British and I can say for myself and the people I know that there are countries out there more deserving of hate than the States. North Korea, Serbia and Montenegro, Israel or Palestine whichever floats your boat. Or there is the majority of people who really don't care either way.

[sasr2]

I agree with Royal...it is the blatant distortation of truth labelled "spin" which has caused the strongest of anti american feelings...In early 2001 both Condi Rice and Powell boasted that their policy of containment has worked and that saddam has effectively been disarmed...then there was 9-11...Then the reasons for the war came out very different....this presidency is distrusted through the lies it has told and the stupid expectation that if it is repeated enough it will be viewed as truth...

[Marxist203]

Thursday 13 November 2003, 16:28 Makka Time, 13:28 GMT

One million people participated in an anti-war rally in London this year

London protests over Iraq and Palestine
London leads anti-war protests

The goodwill that Brits developed for Americans after 11 September has evaporated and the blame is being laid firmly at the door of US President George Bush.

After the twin tower attacks, a military band broke with tradition and played the American national anthem at the Changing of the Guard ceremony at Buckingham Palace. Less than 18 months later, one million people took to London's streets to protest against the forthcoming war in Iraq.

Now with President Bush heading to British to see Tony Blair for what should have been a triumphal reunion with his closest ally, the 200,000 Americans living in London are reflecting on how times have changed.

They recall with wonder how the British dropped their innate reserve after the attacks on 11 September 2001. But now, after wars in Afghanistan and Iraq where British and Americans fought side by side, they face a wave not of anti-Americanism but anti-Bushism.

#1 most hated country in the world, The United States of America
#2 Israel, And all were doing is enforcing international law and freeing the oppressed :cantbeli:
A spit in the face of our President is a spit in the face of ever American.

I dont thin International is what you guys are enforcing, I think its all the unilateral action you guys take...when you guys ignore the International community then thats a slap in the face of well...the international community.

I dont really care about Israel...Syria dislikes Canada so Im all for it, I believe when they attacked Syria the initial reaction in parliament was that of indifferance, I know I gave out a chuckle.

The US...well the reason Canadians dont like the government in the country is this one right here. NAFTA, we are in a free trade agreement with the US but they still put Tarrifs on our Soft wood lumber, now that is bull**** guys. So thats why Im disappointed in the US...Im mean christ! We send troops to Afghanistan, we give the US money after September 11th and took in your citizens when they couldn't get back into the nation and you still kept those damned Tarrifs.

So yeah...that could be some reason why Canadians dont like American policy.

[marktigger]

the popularity of the Bush administration or lack of it in the UK is largley the fault of our polititians who lied and led the UK into the war in Iraq. The subject of spin has become a huge issue in UK politics yes we don't trust our current govt but this has been building.
Bush I'm afraid is more suited to being an old style republican ie pre ww2 Where America was protectionist and isolationist. But wworld events overtook him.

[StarvingStudent47]

I don't think the USA is the most hated nation in the world. We are the "most hated by extremist groups." And we are the "most bitched about." But when it comes to Average Joes the world over, we might be the most LOVED.

After all, I see a lot of people trying to immigrate here, and not very many trying to leave.

[Flagg]

After all, I see a lot of people trying to immigrate here, and not very many trying to leave.

Who wouldn't want to move to a place of incredible relative wealth?

Considering the majority of the world's population subsists on $1 a day....even being homeless in the US would be a step up for most.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

jdbjdb people in the UK do not hate Americans some dislike America's actions and others think Bush is a fool who gained power through a dodgy election but we do not hate American's. I spent some time in the pub three weeks ago with some USAF loadies who are based at a Scottish airport and they were getting along just fine with everyone. I do read US newspapers and I sometimes feel that the US media is responsible for the "everyone hates us" attitude that is endemic among the US public.

[fred_engles]

A spit in the face of our President is a spit in the face of ever American.Quite on the contrary: A spit in the face of our president is a favoured pastime of some Americans, including, I must admit, this one.

[StarvingStudent47]

Who wouldn't want to move to a place of incredible relative wealth?

Considering the majority of the world's population subsists on $1 a day....even being homeless in the US would be a step up for most.

Yeah, but cups of coffee don't cost $3.49 in Cambodia ;)

More seriously: Kuwait is rich as heck. Same goes for the United Arab Emirates. Per capita I think they are much more wealthy than the United States. Do you see mobs of people immigrating there? Cause I don't.

There's much more to America's appeal than the almighty dollar.

[Flagg]

More seriously: Kuwait is rich as heck. Same goes for the United Arab Emirates. Per capita I think they are much more wealthy than the United States. Do you see mobs of people immigrating there?

Yes....


Cause I don't.

I do...see below


According to the 1995 census there were 656,000 Kuwaitis and 920,000 foreigners in Kuwait. With respect to employment the disproportion was far greater - some 820,000 foreigners as compared with 163,000 Kuwaitis.


About 70 percent of the 2.8 million residents of the UAE are foreigners. In 1996, some 200,000 illegal foreign workers left the UAE under an amnesty that permitted exits without fines. However, the Philippine Embassy reports that migrants continue to arrive illegally


GDP:

Rank 2nd USA $37,600

Rank 31st UAE $22,000

Rank 55th Kuwait $15,000


There's much more to America's appeal than the almighty dollar.

Agreed....but for many in the world,which I think the Kuwaiti and UAE examples you brought up hold true, is that a place most in the west would never even consider to live due to its lack of political and social freedoms is swamped with 3rd & 4th world workers begging to take out the trash.

I doubt most of those people have the free time to even dream about seemingly esoteric things we take for granted like free speech, democratic participation, and outliving all of your children.

I can easily see how those living in a 4th world hellhole who are fighting over crumbs could harbour hatred against the incredibly wealthy US.....justifed or not.

[Saranof]

I don't think the USA is the most hated nation in the world. We are the "most hated by extremist groups." And we are the "most bitched about." But when it comes to Average Joes the world over, we might be the most LOVED.

After all, I see a lot of people trying to immigrate here, and not very many trying to leave.


The US is probly not the most hated, but if you go down to the poorer countrys (preferbly ones that the US has bombed) the attitued wouldn't be that friendly.
A big problem here is the fullelvision of the media. If there is and anti- american rally, they show that and make it look huge, as if everyone hates the US. And this makes everyone ín america think "wow those ragheads hate us!"
Most people don't have anything against the avarage american.
It's just your policys and attitude that piss people off.

[khukuri]

i am one of those who hate america. I dont hate it as a country, nor as a poeple, actually I have alot of friends, but i hate its policy.

You cant be surprised that poeple hate armerica when US almost supported every fascist dictator i latinamerika, from colombia to chile. The only exeption is castro cuz hes a commy. Latin american inhabitants tried to vote through socialist regimes which was disliked by us thus supporting the fascists instead. It kind of reminds you germany in the 30:is when the konservative supported hitler to get ridd of the communists in germany, about 40%.

I the middle east its a couple of factors. 1:israel 2:the support arab regimes get from US, support that helps regim leaders to opress their people.

East and south of the arab i think its more have to do with WTO and other unfare so called freetrade rules which opress the poorer more, taxfree zones and so on.

Europians dont dislike Us because of chirac or somebody else, the dislike us because US states that its the freedom fighter of the world and still it just acts as a superpower gaining for itself. The Us arrogance and ignorance make people angry. Tha last thing was that international court which us wont sign on.

[Deuterium]

The Us arrogance and ignorance make people angry. Tha last thing was that international court which us wont sign on.

The same could be said of the majority of European countries. The definition of arrogance and ignorance is French foriegn policy.

[Uncle Chô]

A big problem here is the fullelvision of the media. If there is and anti- american rally, they show that and make it look huge, as if everyone hates the US. And this makes everyone ín america think "wow those ragheads hate us!"
Most people don't have anything against the avarage american.
It's just your policys and attitude that piss people off.
I agree. The problem on this Forum is that most of the American participants does not have a clue of what is really going abroad. They only rely on biased US media or seek for foreign partial information. Reading such articles is like looking through binoculars : you are focusing on a specific subject but have no idea of the surrounding area.

Except for a few extremists, nobody hates America for good. But as a so called patriot American, if you continuously say to any foreign visitor : If it is NOT AMERICAN, it is NOT GOOD, everybody MUST love us, WE are the MOST blabla, WE are the BEST blabla in any field, you are going to irritate a lot of people. Most of you on this Forum does not understand that.

Be HUMBLE. Like any nation in the world, there is no good or bad, black or white side. There is both. We have to learn from each others. Sometimes we are doing things right, sometimes we don't. Nobody is perfect. Even the United States.

I have been visiting this Forum for almost a year. If I have had only rely on what the most aggressive, xenophobic, homophobic American "contributors" wrote, I should hate America. You have to think about that.

Luckily, I have been working for an American company for 8 years, meeting daily with Americans, travelling to the USA 2 or 3 times a year and I know first hand how to make a difference between some of of these extremists contributors that seem to rule this Forum and the smart Americans that are open up to the world.

[Miles Teg]

and I know first hand how to make a difference between some of of these extremists contributors that seem to rule this Forum and the smart Americans that are open up to the world

Lucky to you, because sometime I didn't know them enough to make the difference. Can spot some very hard extremist, but sometimes...

[Red]

I beg to differ,i have spent most of my time outside the USA i know what the world view of the USA is so please dont make sweeping generalizations of all americans.Please dont.America has been good to so many people,infact most people i know owuld rather live in the US than live in Europe with all their condesecding attitudes to blacks.I have been to so many european countries and i have to say not one of them is as good as the USA.Now i know the policy of the USA is not perfect but that is what politics is all about,i bet if france or germany were a superpoer,they would protect their interest worldwide.Heck look at the mess the europeans caused in Africa.Damn Europeans.i have lived in Europe and Asia,and i know what the world view is so dont tell me bill crap.no one is perfect not even europe with their stuck up attitudes.

[Steve Andrews]

quote: "After the twin tower attacks, a military band broke with tradition and played the American national anthem at the Changing of the Guard ceremony at Buckingham Palace. Less than 18 months later, one million people took to London's streets to protest against the forthcoming war in Iraq."

Can someone please tell me what the attack on the World Trade centre has to do with the invasion of Iraq?

[Deuterium]

Be HUMBLE. Like any nation in the world, there is no good or bad, black or white side. There is both. We have to learn from each others.

WRONG!@!!! Oh yeah we can learn so much from North Korea. You're right we should have just listened to Hitler's Germany. They had a lot to offer. If you truly believe their is no good or bad, I feel sorry for you. I'm sorry but child-*** is wrong, forced child labor is wrong, human slavery is wrong. This isn't western ethnocentric BS, these things are wrong. There is black and white in this world.

[martinexsquaddie]

Be careful Deuterium painting everything Black and white Because theres plenty of black paint to be sprayed on US foreign policy Historical and some of your so called friends being supported in Former soviet republics near to afganistan.
Maybe people expect more from the US as it tends to go on about Freedom and Democracy. while the UK and france don't so much.
As far as I know north Korea has'nt funded terrorists abroad or indulged in assasinations of head of states.
Most of my leftie pals don't hate americans they loathe Bush and his plans for the world though.
Blair's new election motto is at least i'm not Bush :roll:

[duck]

David Frum in the National Review:

NOV. 12, 2003: FOREBODINGS
This is not a prediction but a terrible foreboding. I fear that President Bush's imminent state visit to the United Kingdom is shaping up as one of the worst media debacles of his presidency.

President Bush is scheduled to travel Sunday to Britain to spend three days in Buckingham Palace as a guest of Queen Elizabeth. No doubt he and Prime Minister Blair have much to discuss at this critical juncture of the war on terror. Nevertheless, we have to face some unwelcome facts. President Bush is not widely popular in Britain. He will not receive a warm welcome from the larger British public. Meanwhile, a vociferous and often violent minority is planning massive protests in central London.

British police have responded to the threat of unrest by banning demonstrators from the area immediately around Parliament. But the cameras will follow wherever the protesters go, and the images those cameras will broadcast – of enraged masses hurling themselves at barricades to be beaten back by police – will look equally awful whether the protests take place 100 yards or 100 blocks from Big Ben.

For a tourist, three days is a very short stay. But for the President of the United States to spend so long in one foreign country represents a huge commitment of time: It’s as long as a G-8 meeting for example, the most important summit of the year. The president will surely use the time well. But so will the protesters. And the British, American, and global viewing publics will be treated to every screeching minute of those raucous 72 hours.

Presidents always attract protests of course, and no president should ever be deterred from necessary travel. On the other hand, as we move into an election year, the people around the president ought not to be putting him into situations where he is unlikely to look good, except for the very most urgent and pressing reasons. And it’s hard to see what those urgent and pressing reasons might be in this case.

On the other hand, at the risk of sounding paranoid, let me suggest that there might be people around the president who have an interest in making him look bad.

Important sections of this administration’s foreign-policy making apparatus have gone into open revolt against the president and his policies. Until now they have trained their fire on subordinate officials, like Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld. Last week, though, they began aiming higher. Newsweek’s vicious recent cover story on Vice President Cheney was pock-marked with snide comments attributed to unnamed intelligence and foreign-policy officials:

“Top intelligence officials … describe the Office of the Vice President, with its large and assertive staff, as a kind of free-floating power base that at times brushes aside the normal policymaking machinery under national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice. On the road to war, Cheney in effect created a parallel government that became the real power center.”

“[I]nterviews with … a wide variety of sources in the intelligence and national-security community paint the portrait of a vice president who may be too powerful for his own good.”

“‘OVP [Cheney’s office] and OSD [Rumsfeld’s office] turned into their own axis of evil,’ grouses a former White House official, who added that Cheney and Rumsfeld shared the same strategic vision: pessimistic and dark.”

And so on.

Thus far, the CIA/State mutiny has failed to have the desired impact on the president. Bush’s important speech at the National Endowment for Democracy last week emphatically recommitted the administration to a large policy against terror and for liberty in the region. The administration's stand-patters and accommodationists cannot have enjoyed hearing Bush rededicate himself to the ambitious principles that led the United States into Iraq - and that logically lead the United States against Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.

So ask yourself this. Suppose you were a senior State Department or CIA official interested in jolting the president away from the “destabilizing” policies you oppose? You might try to stir up public and congressional against him by carefully placed and timed press leaks. But if those subtle did not succeed, you might be tempted to squeeze harder. And what could hurt an American president worse than plunging him into three consecutive days worth of Chicago 1968 style mass protests? Then, on the planeride home, perhaps somebody might soothingly insinuate that his terrible reception really ought to be blamed on those hawkish advisers of his ....

As I say, I hope these anxieties are all misplaced. But if they are fulfilled, they raise some important questions.

1) The president has committed himself, the Administration, and the nation to a set of policies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the larger Middle East. Whether you approve of those policies or not (and I of course support them wholeheartedly), they are in place and they cannot safely be abandoned now without catastrophic harm to American security – and the president’s re-election hopes. Those officials who are trying to subvert those polices need to feel the firm hand of presidential authority – now. And yet, that hand is evidently not being applied. Why not?

2) Why did the president’s communications team not plead, beg, yell, and scream to prevent this trip? Until recently, this president has been extraordinarily well served by his image-makers. But for the past few months, the communications department seems to have lost its magic touch. The elder Bush was defeated in large party by aides who loved him so much that they could not understand how anybody else would feel otherwise – and who therefore did not take his political troubles seriously until it was too late. I earnestly hope the younger Bush’s administration has not reached the point where it is regarded as defeatist or disloyal to say at a planning meeting: “Look, we all know the president is doing the right thing, and the day will come when those European anti-Bush protesters look just as foolish as the Soviet-inspired anti-Reagan “peace” marchers of the 1980s. But until that day comes, we ought not to be giving those protesters televisual opportunities. If we have work to do with Tony Blair, let’s meet in Bermuda and do it there. But why risk riots by driving around London at this time? Let's postpone this trip until we've caught or killed Saddam. Then we can invite the first democratically elected president in Iraq's histroy to join us - and dare the British left to jeer him."

3) Finally: why didn’t Tony Blair’s people warn Bush away from this visit? They surely can read the mood of the British public. They must know what they have let Bush in for? Is it possible that Blair too wishes to apply some political pressure to Bush? I’m not alleging it. I'm not alleging anything. I’m just asking.


06:31 PM

[khukuri]

I beg to differ,i have spent most of my time outside the USA i know what the world view of the USA is so please dont make sweeping generalizations of all americans.Please dont.America has been good to so many people,infact most people i know owuld rather live in the US than live in Europe with all their condesecding attitudes to blacks.I have been to so many european countries and i have to say not one of them is as good as the USA.


Not the most people I know, actually welfare in europe is alot better than in america. But maybe welfare is a bad thing.
Guns in europe are harder to get than in usa, is that a bad or a good thing. Well, here we come to values, you cant say that US is better because da da da. I think its sucks with the weapon laws in usa, you maybe think its good.





Now i know the policy of the USA is not perfect but that is what politics is all about,i bet if france or germany were a superpoer,they would protect their interest worldwide.Heck look at the mess the europeans caused in Africa.Damn Europeans.i have lived in Europe and Asia,and i know what the world view is so dont tell me bill crap.no one is perfect not even europe with their stuck up attitudes.

You guys are to stuck up with france, what chirac says doesnt matter, it doesnt make me hate us more. I think chirac is a hypocrit (how do you spell that?). I think that if chirac had a chance he would do the same superpower thing US is doing now. But does that means that his criticism is wrong? No! The criticism he says is still right, it doesnt matter tha hes a rotten egg himself. What Europe did 100 years ago is truely very bad an inhumane, does that justifies US doing the same thing?

All the time you not meeting the arguments, youre just saying well we arent the only ones doing bas things, mentioning europe for a 100 years ago

What makes me sick! is that you all the time say you are the protectors of world freedom, still you support coups on democratic elected presidents because they dont support or fit your political agenda, that cind of stuff makes people sick! I dont go out so much and criticise CHINA, because everyone agrees that chinas is a ****ty country to live in concerning democracy and stuff. I dont need to say that because thats the common idea ammongst people. But USA is supposed to be the good guys, itslike bringing the truth forward.

EDIT: too fast on keyboard

[Royal]

David Frum in the National Review:

.......


He will not receive a warm welcome from the larger British public. Meanwhile, a vociferous and often violent minority is planning massive protests in central London.

Exactly when have 'peace' or anti-American protests in London been violent?

[StarvingStudent47]

Be HUMBLE. Like any nation in the world, there is no good or bad, black or white side. There is both. We have to learn from each others.

WRONG!@!!! Oh yeah we can learn so much from North Korea. You're right we should have just listened to Hitler's Germany. They had a lot to offer. If you truly believe their is no good or bad, I feel sorry for you. I'm sorry but child-*** is wrong, forced child labor is wrong, human slavery is wrong. This isn't western ethnocentric BS, these things are wrong. There is black and white in this world.

woot woot woot

[Flagg]

There is black and white in this world.

You're right...and I agree with your post....but I think the anti-Americanism is often targeted at the "grey" bits and pieces.....which are numerous and countradictory. Here's just one example:

The US is determined to eliminate the nuclear threat posed by North Korea and Iran......but dictator controlled, sabrerattling, terrorist supporting, human-rights hellhole, nuclear armed Pakistan is OK because their our "ally" of the week?

You can certainly see how this leaves people scratching their heads and wondering where the Black and White is to be found.

[Seiyuuki]

...The US is determined to eliminate the nuclear threat posed by North Korea and Iran......but dictator controlled, sabrerattling, terrorist supporting, human-rights hellhole, nuclear armed Pakistan is OK because their our "ally" of the week?

You can certainly see how this leaves people scratching their heads and wondering where the Black and White is to be found.

"Keep your friends close and keep SOME of your enemies closer."

Probably not the exact wording, but close enough to get the point across...

"America is the most hated, most loved, most feared and most respected country in the world all at the same time...basically, we're like Frank Sinatra."
Dennis Miller

[jdbjdb]

This is going to be worse then a fooball match between scotland and germany, They have the right to protest, but they don't have the right to go around tipping over cars luting setting fires ect. ect.

[steel bonnet]

Well l won`t worry about it mate.

What`s 1 Million people in the UK. NOTHING!!

Only worry about that 1 Million,is How many of them were Activists/None UK citizens/Students & the Mis-informed people.

After all if the PRESS is to believed,we hate Blair,yet he`s still in No10.
BBC & Channel 4 (Major UK Media networks),both were Anti War & Anti Bush. So expect them to say all sorts of rubbish.

Personally,l think he`s done the right thing,possibly called an end to the war too quickly,though he did the right thing.

Ja
Steel Bonnet

[Durandal]

[quote=Saranof]The problem on this Forum is that most of the American participants does not have a clue of what is really going abroad. They only rely on biased US media or seek for foreign partial information. Reading such articles is like looking through binoculars : you are focusing on a specific subject but have no idea of the surrounding area.

I think the same can be said of our European cousins. I have a feeling that media bias and radical ANYTHING is pretty much shared throughout the world. To say that Americans (even the ones on this list) suffer from it alone simply proves that...

[duck]

BTW, somehow I am getting a foreboding of a mortar attack on either Buckingham Palace or Downing Street. The IRA has used mortars on Downing Street and Heathrow Airport before and I would not be surprised if Al-Qaeda have benchmarked their methods.

[Steve Andrews]

Thanks for the warning, I'll give Tony and Liz a ring.
On second thoughts, maybe I'll just phone Liz....

[steel bonnet]

So we either loose a few members of Royalty or Politicians,well that would be a shame ........NOT.

Though alas it would`nt be just the above we would loose would it. There`s all the "innocent behind the scene workers" isn`t there. Now they l would shed a tear for if that happened.Though hopefully it would not happen.

Though no doubt with President Bush being in our country this week,l can see London,being Very POLICED.

No doubt the media will have a field day over Police mis-use of powers,though portraying the activists/marchers if any as Good Solid folk....Yea right.

Alas we live in a too liberal world today. If the UK had a more authoritive Police Force. Well maybe terrorists could be nabbed before any attempts of Murder were committed.
My general opinion of the UK Police force is "Uniformed Social Workers". That is NOT what there supposed to do.

Though as said we`re too Liberal now in the UK/West. Everybody has reasons for why they did whatever. Who cares. They do the crime,they do the time.

Hopefully the Police will actually get some of the trouble makers off the Streets whilst Bush is here & well, take advantage of any Higher States of Alert the POLICE/MoD will be on too.

Ja
Steel bonnet

[jdbjdb]

With all the protests that will be going on, its possible that it could be used as a cover for some sort of terrorist attack

[Ichhabe]

With all the protests that will be going on, its possible that it could be used as a cover for some sort of terrorist attack


Don't mix crack and firewater. Bad combination, and it also seems to give you nightmares. :bash:

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quote: "After the twin tower attacks, a military band broke with tradition and played the American national anthem at the Changing of the Guard ceremony at Buckingham Palace. Less than 18 months later, one million people took to London's streets to protest against the forthcoming war in Iraq."

Can someone please tell me what the attack on the World Trade centre has to do with the invasion of Iraq?

not enough...

the United states is the best known country in the world and also the most hated without a doubt but mainly for that reason..

but most of that is because of the american government..

without the patriotic reason not to, it's easy to hate bush.

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this just in..

the good michael moore is on tv asking us brits to out and protest at bush

[jdbjdb]

the good michael moore is on tv asking us brits to out and protest at bush
there is nothing good about Michael Moore :petting:
http://www.loopdiloop.com/f451/pix/MooreMichaelStupidWhiteMen.jpg

[Deuterium]

Hi I'm Michael Moore. Come see my movies. I don't let facts get into the way of providing you valuable entertainment. I look straight at the camera and lie through my teeth. I do this because the Left eats this up and makes me rich at the same time. This all works because I play into the stereotypes that the Left has. When anyone calls me on the facts or points out that I have lied I call them bigots or just say it's a movie. Cool!!

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the good michael moore is on tv asking us brits to out and protest at bush
there is nothing good about Michael Moore :petting:
http://www.loopdiloop.com/f451/pix/MooreMichaelStupidWhiteMen.jpg

you americans really don't get sarcasm, do you?

[Deuterium]

Nope just like it says, were all stupid white men....

[StarvingStudent47]

Nope just like it says, were all stupid white men....

When I look at that book cover, I say "How nice, he made a caption for the picture? But isn't 'men' plural? I think he meant 'man'."

[EvanL]

the good michael moore is on tv asking us brits to out and protest at bush
there is nothing good about Michael Moore :petting:
http://www.loopdiloop.com/f451/pix/MooreMichaelStupidWhiteMen.jpg

you americans really don't get sarcasm, do you?

http://upload.sh0t.com/stuff/Sarcasm.jpg

[martinexsquaddie]

Michael moore brilliant I can't wait for Bowling to appear on tv next month

[seventy6er]

His 3rd book is out tomorrow here in Germany.

Another fact bout Moore: "Stupd White Men" was even a bigger hit over here in Germany than in the US and sold more copies here than overseas... :roll:

Btw: Moore's new book (as well as "Stupid White Men") got bashed by the most important German left-wing magazine "Der Spiegel"...

[Durandal]

Michael moore brilliant I can't wait for Bowling to appear on tv next month

Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will" was a brilliant piece of "documentary" as well, but you do not see me hoping up and down about how grand it was.

Geeesh...propoganda is propoganda and Moore's is worse than most.

[Guttorm]

Aaaaanyway, about USA...
Theres two american things I'd like to see in my town...

BURGER KING AND STARBUCKS!

Whey... I'd love a HUGE whopper right now....

[cut]

you'll get sick of them just as eagerly

[Ratamacue]

Why don't you let him decide that for himself?

[kinghk]

Michael moore brilliant I can't wait for Bowling to appear on tv next month

Just remember that it is a comedy, not a documentary.

[Seoulstriker]

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/moore.jpg

[Macs.]

Truth about "Bowling for Columbine"

You should read this -> http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

[Durandal]

Truth about "Bowling for Columbine"

You should read this -> http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Hehehe that was great. I like seeing someone take the time to collect all that info.

[jdbjdb]

Michael Moore's new book "Birth Control" just pictures of himself[/list]

[Nawlins]

Hate that guy.

[martinexsquaddie]

I just want a laugh at dumb americans
and then wind up even more of them here
Michael moore is a brilliant and incisive Journalist rofl
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[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Despite being a gun loving huntin an fishin kind of lowbilly with a quirky habit of killing domestic cats and making fur rugs out of them I really find Michael Moore most interesting and his UK counterpart Mark Thomas is also a fine fellow.

Does anyone think Tabby and Ginger clash.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Well regardless the protests in London are going to get more media attention then the actuall visit itself, which probably wouldnt accomplish a whole lot anyways besides making a photo-op.(How much is this costing US tax payers anyways?) As for anything in life, there is a grain of truth in everything. Saying Micheal Moore is full of **** in everything he say's is just dumb, even the most obvious of lies there is some truth.

[martinexsquaddie]

did you see the one where mark thomas turned up with a tracked rapier missile launcher on a low loader at gec hq and tried to get customer services to take a look at it class :lol:

[Midtown]

yeah. They both pissed me off.