Chinese Anti-Secession Law (full text)

[J-10]

Anti-Secession Law
(Adopted at the Third Session of the Tenth National People's Congress on March 14, 2005)

Article 1 This Law is formulated, in accordance with the Constitution, for the purpose of opposing and checking Taiwan's secession from China by secessionists in the name of "Taiwan independence", promoting peaceful national reunification, maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Straits, preserving China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and safeguarding the fundamental interests of the Chinese nation.

Article 2 There is only one China in the world. Both the mainland and Taiwan belong to one China. China's sovereignty and territorial integrity brook no division. Safeguarding China's sovereignty and territorial integrity is the common obligation of all Chinese people, the Taiwan compatriots included.

Taiwan is part of China. The state shall never allow the "Taiwan independence" secessionist forces to make Taiwan secede from China under any name or by any means.

Article 3 The Taiwan question is one that is left over from China's civil war of the late 1940s.

Solving the Taiwan question and achieving national reunification is China's internal affair, which subjects to no interference by any outside forces.

Article 4 Accomplishing the great task of reunifying the motherland is the sacred duty of all Chinese people, the Taiwan compatriots included.

Article 5 Upholding the principle of one China is the basis of peaceful reunification of the country.

To reunify the country through peaceful means best serves the fundamental interests of the compatriots on both sides of the Taiwan Straits. The state shall do its utmost with maximum sincerity to achieve a peaceful reunification.

After the country is reunified peacefully, Taiwan may practice systems different from those on the mainland and enjoy a high degree of autonomy.

Article 6 The state shall take the following measures to maintain peace and stability in the Taiwan Straits and promote cross-Straits relations:

(1) to encourage and facilitate personnel exchanges across the Straits for greater mutual understanding and mutual trust;

(2) to encourage and facilitate economic exchanges and cooperation, realize direct links of trade, mail and air and shipping services, and bring about closer economic ties between the two sides of the Straits to their mutual benefit;

(3) to encourage and facilitate cross-Straits exchanges in education, science, technology, culture, health and sports, and work together to carry forward the proud Chinese cultural traditions;

(4) to encourage and facilitate cross-Straits cooperation in combating crimes; and

(5) to encourage and facilitate other activities that are conducive to peace and stability in the Taiwan Straits and stronger cross-Straits relations.

The state protects the rights and interests of the Taiwan compatriots in accordance with law.

Article 7 The state stands for the achievement of peaceful reunification through consultations and negotiations on an equal footing between the two sides of the Taiwan Straits. These consultations and negotiations may be conducted in steps and phases and with flexible and varied modalities.

The two sides of the Taiwan Straits may consult and negotiate on the following matters:

(1) officially ending the state of hostility between the two sides;

(2) mapping out the development of cross-Straits relations;

(3) steps and arrangements for peaceful national reunification;

(4) the political status of the Taiwan authorities;

(5) the Taiwan region's room of international operation that iscompatible with its status; and

(6) other matters concerning the achievement of peaceful national reunification.

Article 8 In the event that the "Taiwan independence" secessionist forces should act under any name or by any means to cause the fact of Taiwan's secession from China, or that major incidents entailing Taiwan's secession from China should occur, or that possibilities for a peaceful reunification should be completely exhausted, the state shall employ non-peaceful means and other necessary measures to protect China's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The State Council and the Central Military Commission shall decide on and execute the non-peaceful means and other necessary measures as provided for in the preceding paragraph and shall promptly report to the Standing Committee of the National People'sCongress.

Article 9 In the event of employing and executing non-peaceful means and other necessary measures as provided for in this Law, the state shall exert its utmost to protect the lives, property and other legitimate rights and interests of Taiwan civilians and foreign nationals in Taiwan, and to minimize losses. At the same time, the state shall protect the rights and interests of the Taiwan compatriots in other parts of China in accordance with law.

Article 10 This Law shall come into force on the day of its promulgation.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/14/content_424643.htm

[J-10]

Russia backs China on anti-secession law
Mar 14, 2005 22:02:00
Press Trust of India

Moscow, Mar 14 (PTI) Russia today expressed understanding' at the passage of anti-secession law by the Chinese parliament allowing use of force in case Taiwan move further toward independence.

"The Russian side considers the Taiwan issue as China's domestic affair. We understand the reasons which made the Chinese National People's Congress pass this law," Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said.

"The law outlines the key priority of the Chinese government - peaceful methods of the country's unification within the framework of the 'one state - two systems' policy and readiness to take maximum goodwill efforts for this purpose," Yakovenko said.

He said that Moscow believes that achievement of a mutually beneficial solution of the Taiwan problem at the earliest, would meet the interests of the Chinese living on both sides of the Taiwan Strait and serve the purpose of consolidation of peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region on the whole. PTI
From (http://www.ptinews.com/pti/ptisite.nsf/$All/E5998C232056B57465256FC4005B8EAD?OpenDocument)

[Jani.R]

Declaration of war? :|

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Article 1 This Law is formulated, in accordance with the Constitution, for the purpose of opposing and checking Taiwan's secession from China by secessionists in the name of "Taiwan independence", promoting peaceful national reunification, maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Straits, preserving China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and safeguarding the fundamental interests of the Chinese nation.

Well, at least they didn't make us wade through the body of the text to find out where they went wrong. Article one shows very clearly how delusional they are. This may as well have been written in the House of Commons, reclaiming the United States for Britain. It's idiotic.

For example - no matter what a person's view of the situation is - can anybody explain how a "legal" document can in one sentence proclaim that Taiwan is simultaneously both a part of, and is also separate from China? It says that the law is designed to keep Taiwan from leaving China, and at the same time is urging Taiwan to come back to China. This document is as contrived and illegitimate as China's government.

[Hiroshima]

Article 1 This Law is formulated, in accordance with the Constitution, for the purpose of opposing and checking Taiwan's secession from China by secessionists in the name of "Taiwan independence", promoting peaceful national reunification, maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Straits, preserving China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and safeguarding the fundamental interests of the Chinese nation.

Well, at least they didn't make us wade through the body of the text to find out where they went wrong. Article one shows very clearly how delusional they are. This may as well have been written in the House of Commons, reclaiming the United States for Britain. It's idiotic.

For example - no matter what a person's view of the situation is - can anybody explain how a "legal" document can in one sentence proclaim that Taiwan is simultaneously both a part of, and is also separate from China? It says that the law is designed to keep Taiwan from leaving China, and at the same time is urging Taiwan to come back to China. This document is as contrived and illegitimate as China's government.

Roger that! Seesh...give it up China!

[Bluezoo]

Article 1 This Law is formulated, in accordance with the Constitution, for the purpose of opposing and checking Taiwan's secession from China by secessionists in the name of "Taiwan independence", promoting peaceful national reunification, maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Straits, preserving China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and safeguarding the fundamental interests of the Chinese nation.

Well, at least they didn't make us wade through the body of the text to find out where they went wrong. Article one shows very clearly how delusional they are. This may as well have been written in the House of Commons, reclaiming the United States for Britain. It's idiotic.

For example - no matter what a person's view of the situation is - can anybody explain how a "legal" document can in one sentence proclaim that Taiwan is simultaneously both a part of, and is also separate from China? It says that the law is designed to keep Taiwan from leaving China, and at the same time is urging Taiwan to come back to China. This document is as contrived and illegitimate as China's government.

Roger that! Seesh...give it up China!

x2.

[Belrick]

Lets call the anti secession law by its proper title.

A Casus Belli

[Clarsachier]

Probably.

China's not going to make a move soon though- they're better off waiting for the infusion of high-tech weapon data they're going to get from the EU.

I wonder if Taiwan may see it that way as well...

[Jin]

Probably.

China's not going to make a move soon though- they're better off waiting for the infusion of high-tech weapon data they're going to get from the EU.

I wonder if Taiwan may see it that way as well...

China doesn't need to do anything. All it needs to do is play the patience game. Time is on China's side. Eventually China will grow to a point where Taiwan will have no choice but to integrate with China.

[jedisponge]

Probably.

China's not going to make a move soon though- they're better off waiting for the infusion of high-tech weapon data they're going to get from the EU.

I wonder if Taiwan may see it that way as well...

China doesn't need to do anything. All it needs to do is play the patience game. Time is on China's side. Eventually China will grow to a point where Taiwan will have no choice but to integrate with China.
Don't you mean it'll come to a point where Taiwan will have to integrate with China? Not, the no-sense-making "China will grow to a point where Taiwan will have no choice but to integrate with China"? It's more like China needs them, than Taiwan needing China.

[moughoun]

Article 1 This Law is formulated, in accordance with the Constitution, for the purpose of opposing and checking Taiwan's secession from China by secessionists in the name of "Taiwan independence", promoting peaceful national reunification, maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Straits, preserving China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and safeguarding the fundamental interests of the Chinese nation.

Well, at least they didn't make us wade through the body of the text to find out where they went wrong. Article one shows very clearly how delusional they are. This may as well have been written in the House of Commons, reclaiming the United States for Britain. It's idiotic.

For example - no matter what a person's view of the situation is - can anybody explain how a "legal" document can in one sentence proclaim that Taiwan is simultaneously both a part of, and is also separate from China? It says that the law is designed to keep Taiwan from leaving China, and at the same time is urging Taiwan to come back to China. This document is as contrived and illegitimate as China's government.

there have been alot of tv programmes on CCTV9(Chinese news channel in English here) about this, they have been drawing alot of comparison's with the US civil war, and the secessesionism (is that even a word?), they seem to be reaching for a justification to me :|

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Probably.

China's not going to make a move soon though- they're better off waiting for the infusion of high-tech weapon data they're going to get from the EU.

I wonder if Taiwan may see it that way as well...

China doesn't need to do anything. All it needs to do is play the patience game. Time is on China's side. Eventually China will grow to a point where Taiwan will have no choice but to integrate with China.

I agree that they may eventually reunite. But it will not be because a free Taiwan re-integrates with a repressed communist China. I will be because a democratic China reunites with a free Taiwan. It has been Taiwan that has been leading the way - socially, economically, in nearly every measurable sense, Taiwan has been ahead of China.

Rather than Taiwan serving as a terrible example of everything wrong with the capatilist West - China now looks to Taiwan as a shining example of what they can become.

Let's face it - the "China miracle" is no miracle. It's simply the effect that 50 years of repression and backward governance has when it is repealed. China should have been at the forefront of global military, social, and economic power 40 years ago. When the time comes, North Korea will be a zone of massive economic growth for a time as well - this is not an indication of North Korea's wise and noble government doing things right. It is a concrete example of everything they have done wrong.

China has finally recognized this fact, and is attempting to portray it's failure as something that it intended to do. The "revolution" was a classic "oops! I meant to do that!" if ever there was one. If China continues down the road of democracy - which I hope it will- it may reach a point where Taiwan is comfortable allowing China to join it. By passing this "law" the government of China can pretend that when reunification finnaly does happen, that the previous 50 years of failure never happened. China's ruling class really doesn't have any choice. Unless they try to put a brave face on, the people would be able to point thier fingers at Taiwan and ask "why haven't we been able to live like that for the past 50 years?"

[Clarsachier]

Article 1 This Law is formulated, in accordance with the Constitution, for the purpose of opposing and checking Taiwan's secession from China by secessionists in the name of "Taiwan independence", promoting peaceful national reunification, maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Straits, preserving China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and safeguarding the fundamental interests of the Chinese nation.

Well, at least they didn't make us wade through the body of the text to find out where they went wrong. Article one shows very clearly how delusional they are. This may as well have been written in the House of Commons, reclaiming the United States for Britain. It's idiotic.

For example - no matter what a person's view of the situation is - can anybody explain how a "legal" document can in one sentence proclaim that Taiwan is simultaneously both a part of, and is also separate from China? It says that the law is designed to keep Taiwan from leaving China, and at the same time is urging Taiwan to come back to China. This document is as contrived and illegitimate as China's government.

there have been alot of tv programmes on CCTV9(Chinese news channel in English here) about this, they have been drawing alot of comparison's with the US civil war, and the secessesionism (is that even a word?), they seem to be reaching for a justification to me :|


If CCTV9's an English language channel, it's certainly no surprise that they're drawing that specific analogy. For our benefit.

[seruriermarshal]

or that possibilities for a peaceful reunification should be completely exhausted

?

:roll:

[Kilgor]

What happens if Taiwan says nothing and keeps status quo.

When does china run out of patience ?

[Belrick]

China will run out of patience the day there military is deemed ready.

At the moment all of Chinas talk is pure bluster. Taiwan needs to declare independence NOW before matters get worse. (and they still can!).

China's not going to try and take on the USN nor will they risk a economic setback. Problem is nor is the US.

[Kilgor]

Thats why I cant understand the situation.

I know china is against independance but doesnt not like the status quo at the moment.

Taiwan could trade time and watch china get more beligerant, but I know china would come up with a reichstag fire type incident to declare war.

I very much doubt china is happy the way things are. They want either forced unification or war over it. Until taiwan is back on the leash.. it wont stop.

[J-10]

Let's see the actual reaction to the law in Taiwan:


War threats from China get trumped by a corporate love story in Taiwan
Tuesday March 15, 8:09 AM
Associated Press

Images of Chinese lawmakers passing a law that authorizes an attack on Taiwan dominated the island's TV news in the morning. But by evening, the scare from Beijing got bumped by a story about Taiwan's richest man losing his wife to breast cancer.

On an island that has lived with its communist neighbor's threats for five decades, the latest one Monday didn't cause much panic, and many _ including investors on the jittery stock market _ didn't seem too worried. At the end of the day, the computer parts tycoon's devotion to his dead wife trumped Beijing's latest bluster.

The anti-seccession law approved by China's parliament authorized force to stop Taiwan from seeking formal independence. The island _ just 160 kilometers (100 miles) off China's southern coast _ has been resisting Beijing's rule since the Communists took over the mainland in 1949.

Taiwan has been able to rule itself and enjoy de facto independence for more than 50 years, largely because the United States has warned it might defend the island if China attacks. America is also the only major nation that sells advanced weapons to newly democratic Taiwan, about the size of the Netherlands.

Taiwanese officials issued angry and emotional denunciations of the Chinese law. Joseph Wu, the top official in charge of China policy, warned the measure would cast a shadow of war over East Asia.

"It also brought emotional pain to the Taiwanese people, restricts Taiwan's freedom and democracy," Wu added.

But John Lin, a grocery store owner in his late 40s, was blase.

"China has always threatened to use force to stop independence," Lin said as he rode the subway home in the capital, Taipei. "I don't think China will use any military action, and Taiwan won't start a war."

The Chinese law sparked only a small protest of about 30 people _ mostly pro-independence lawmakers _ who burned the Chinese flag and chanted anti-Beijing slogans.

Taiwanese officials usually try to seize on China's bursts of bellicosity to gain sympathy from the world. The island likes to portray itself as the model global citizen _ an underdog capitalist, free-trading democracy threatened by an authoritarian behemoth.

But that same communist monster happens to be Taiwan's biggest market for investment. That's one of the ironies of the Taiwan-China feud: While political tensions simmer, business ties boom.

Taiwanese companies have invested more than US$100 billion in China, and each year more companies are shifting production to the mainland.

It's almost a perfect marriage. The Taiwanese businessmen speak the same language as the mainlanders and share the same culture. The Taiwanese are among the best in the world at making things faster, cheaper and smaller. The Chinese have loads of cheap labor. The Taiwanese employ millions of mainlanders, while China helps keep Taiwanese products _ from sneakers to laptop computers _ cheap and competitive.

This mutual reliance that leads many to believe a war will never happen.

The business ties have continued to boom each year despite political tensions between the two governments, whose top leaders haven't met in more than five decades. Taiwanese computer makers are the biggest in the world, and 73 percent of their output came from their China factories last year, Taiwan's semiofficial Institute for Information Industry reported recently.

If China's new anti-secession law threatened Taiwan-China trade ties, the island's stock market would seem to be a good indicator of the trouble ahead. But the market _ which has plunged on China worries before _ only closed down 0.8 percent on Monday. Traders said investors were also worried about a weak season in the technology sector in the second quarter.

In the week before the Chinese law's passage, investors were more concerned about rising oil prices and the ups and downs on Wall Street.

Still, the island's 24-hour cable TV news channels showed Premier Wen Jiabao on Monday describing the anti-secession law in the stop-and-start, almost robotic way that Chinese leaders speak. Wen emphasized that China sought peaceful unification.

"It is not targeted at the people of Taiwan, nor is it a war bill," Wen said.

His words and the anti-secession law fell victim, however, to Taiwan's short attention span. By the evening, the media had moved on to the story of Terry Gou, chairman of Hon Hai Precision Ind. Co. and the wealthiest man in Taiwan, according to Forbes magazine.

TV reports began their prime time news hours by describing how he started his computer parts business from nothing and how his late wife supported him. He rewarded her by buying her a castle in the Czech Republic and naming it Serena in her honor.

At least in the Taiwanese media, the winner was love, not war.
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050315/ap/d88r2f8o2.html

[Jin]

What happens if Taiwan says nothing and keeps status quo.

When does china run out of patience ?

IF Taiwan keeps the status quo, there will be no war.

China has already run out of patience, that is why they made the law in writing, instead of just saying that Taiwan is part of China every single year. At the same time, China will not start anything. China would rather play the waiting game.

[Vintendo]

No you're wrong. China has said that if Taiwan draggs its feet on re-unification, even while maintaining the status quo, it would mean war. If there is a war it would be started by no one but China.

[Clarsachier]

What happens if Taiwan says nothing and keeps status quo.

When does china run out of patience ?

IF Taiwan keeps the status quo, there will be no war.

China has already run out of patience, that is why they made the law in writing, instead of just saying that Taiwan is part of China every single year. At the same time, China will not start anything. China would rather play the waiting game.


I agree with you but I must mention that while I do not approve of armed intervention by the U.S. in this matter, I deplore the idea of 'forceful reunification' by mainland China upon Taiwan. I do not believe that China
has the moral highground in the matter, to say the least.

Although most other countries have pledged to stay out of the matter. their official positions are that they approve of 'peaceful reunification'.

I do not believe that they will sit passively if the PRC invades Taiwan. I think the consequences for China would be very disasterous.

[Jin]

What happens if Taiwan says nothing and keeps status quo.

When does china run out of patience ?

IF Taiwan keeps the status quo, there will be no war.

China has already run out of patience, that is why they made the law in writing, instead of just saying that Taiwan is part of China every single year. At the same time, China will not start anything. China would rather play the waiting game.


I agree with you but I must mention that while I do not approve of armed intervention by the U.S. in this matter, I deplore the idea of 'forceful reunification' by mainland China upon Taiwan. I do not believe that China
has the moral highground in the matter, to say the least.

Although most other countries have pledged to stay out of the matter. their official positions are that they approve of 'peaceful reunification'.

I do not believe that they will sit passively if the PRC invades Taiwan. I think the consequences for China would be very disasterous.

If you read the law, I believe it does say that China will use all possible peaceful means. China doesn't want war as well. 'forceful reunification' will only happen if Chen Shui Bian decided to declare independent and seperate from China forever.

Sorry, if my arguments don't make sense sometimes...English is not my first language.

[vryhpyammoadded]

What happens if Taiwan says nothing and keeps status quo.

When does china run out of patience ?

Chinese military/political documents during the late 90's suggested 2008 and a few recent ones around 2010 -2012.

[Jin]

What happens if Taiwan says nothing and keeps status quo.

When does china run out of patience ?

Chinese military/political documents during the late 90's suggested 2008 and a few recent ones around 2010 -2012.

A lot of ppl are saying after 2008 because 2008 is when Beijing will host the Olympics

[replay]

Jin,
You don't think China has already run out of peaceful means or is close to that point? It's been over 50 years of diplomacy(or the lack of it). Taiwan will not be a part of China any time in the near future by 'peaceful' means. They see themselves as independent and able to provide for their own. It's China that has a bone to pick. If Taiwan and China remained in a 'status quo', that would also mean that 'peaceful' means of reconciliation are obviously not succcessful. You can't have both.

You either remain in the current status quo, or you peacefully try to integrate Taiwan until you are out of options and then you invade them.

[hughdotoh]

Is China still hauling that "One Country - Two Systems" blah?

It's the Taiwanese who have time on their side. Eventually, China must become a politically open society, and when that time comes, "One Country - Two Systems" will become irrelevant. It's the Politburo who are getting impatient, not the Chinese nation.

[Jin]

Is China still hauling that "One Country - Two Systems" blah?

It's the Taiwanese who have time on their side. Eventually, China must become a politically open society, and when that time comes, "One Country - Two Systems" will become irrelevant. It's the Politburo who are getting impatient, not the Chinese nation.

Taiwan's economy will be swallowed up by the bigger Chinese economy long b4 that. If the fact that "time is on Taiwan's side" is true, we wouldn't have the majority of the planet ( INCLUDING THE US and the EU)supporting the one China policy now would we.

How are the Politburo getting impatient? They have been waiting for 50 years, and they can wait another 50 years. If the political leaders were so impatient, they would have fired missisles at Taiwan when Lee Teng-hui declared that Taiwan should deal with China on a Country to Country basis. Unlike some other countries, China is always willing to wait.

Time is on OUR side.

[M4ko]

Article 1 This Law is formulated, in accordance with the Constitution, for the purpose of opposing and checking Taiwan's secession from China by secessionists in the name of "Taiwan independence", promoting peaceful national reunification, maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Straits, preserving China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and safeguarding the fundamental interests of the Chinese nation.

Well, at least they didn't make us wade through the body of the text to find out where they went wrong. Article one shows very clearly how delusional they are. This may as well have been written in the House of Commons, reclaiming the United States for Britain. It's idiotic.

For example - no matter what a person's view of the situation is - can anybody explain how a "legal" document can in one sentence proclaim that Taiwan is simultaneously both a part of, and is also separate from China? It says that the law is designed to keep Taiwan from leaving China, and at the same time is urging Taiwan to come back to China. This document is as contrived and illegitimate as China's government.

I know im late with responce but didnt Britain claim USA as its own, without even writing any documents. Didn't Britain attack USA in order to prevent USA's independence from Britain? Except here with China this is abit more formal due to modern politics.

[Jin]

Article one shows very clearly how delusional they are. This may as well have been written in the House of Commons, reclaiming the United States for Britain. It's idiotic.


Britain released the claim to America once they declared its Independence. China has always claimed Taiwan as part of China. Taiwan has never declared independence. THE Entire world recognizes that Taiwan is part of CHina. Your using the wrong example.

How would you feel if Hawaii decided to declare its independence? I doubt your gov would be happy about it.

Don't get me wrong, Im from HOng Kong, so I 100% support Democracy. I am not one of those faceless communist who only praises the gov. I recognize the downs of the gov. I too want CHina to change.

And for all those who are reading this from Chinese Military Forums. Don't just sit there and talk shiet about Taiwan! Do something. DOn't just talk about bomb this and bomb that... All TALK no Action.

[Jin]

Article one shows very clearly how delusional they are. This may as well have been written in the House of Commons, reclaiming the United States for Britain. It's idiotic.


Britain released the claim to America once they declared its Independence. China has always claimed Taiwan as part of China. Taiwan has never declared independence. THE Entire world recognizes that Taiwan is part of CHina. Your using the wrong example.

How would you feel if Hawaii decided to declare its independence? I doubt your gov would be happy about it.

Don't get me wrong, Im from HOng Kong, so I 100% support Democracy. I am not one of those faceless communist who only praises the gov. I recognize the downs of the gov. I too want CHina to change.

And for all those who are reading this from Chinese Military Forums. Don't just sit there and hide behind a pro Chinese forum. Admitt that CHina has faults and we can change it. Do something. DOn't just talk about bomb this and bomb that... All TALK no Action.

[Turhapuro]

China has always claimed Taiwan as part of China. Taiwan has never declared independence.
So if Taiwan had declared independence asap after retreat to that island, everything would be ok?

[Jani.R]

China has always claimed Taiwan as part of China. Taiwan has never declared independence.
So if Taiwan had declared independence asap after retreat to that island, everything would be ok?

Ja paskat. rofl rofl

[replay]

Taiwan's economy will be swallowed up by the bigger Chinese economy long b4 that. If the fact that "time is on Taiwan's side" is true, we wouldn't have the majority of the planet ( INCLUDING THE US and the EU)supporting the one China policy now would we.

US and EU's policy had nothing to do with which side had more time, or who had the bigger economy.



How are the Politburo getting impatient? They have been waiting for 50 years, and they can wait another 50 years. If the political leaders were so impatient, they would have fired missisles at Taiwan when Lee Teng-hui declared that Taiwan should deal with China on a Country to Country basis. Unlike some other countries, China is always willing to wait.

That's why they passed this anti-secession law 50 years after they split, right? Surely something is spurring the Chinese to do this.

Seriously, Taiwan could keep this status quo forever as they have nothing to lose, but China would grow impatient and use laws like the Anti-Secession law as an excuse to "reunite all Chinese people".



Time is on OUR side.

Ahh... for a Chinese living in Hong Kong and one that enjoyed the democracy it gave you, you are quickly speaking like a mainland communist.

[Jin]

Seriously, Taiwan could keep this status quo forever as they have nothing to lose, but China would grow impatient and use laws like the Anti-Secession law as an excuse to "reunite all Chinese people".

Taiwan can keep the status quo and China will just keep growing. The economy, the military and its political influence. It took China a lot of patience for it to have 5000 years of civilization. IF it needs to wait a bit longer...its not going to hurt. Don't forget, China has been saying that they will not tolerate Taiwan going independent now for some time. They just put it on paper. Nothing has changed.


Ahh... for a Chinese living in Hong Kong and one that enjoyed the democracy it gave you, you are quickly speaking like a mainland communist.

I do hate the communist system in China, trust me. But what I say is from the fact that I am Chinese. This is what none of you can understand. I'm not going to sit here and let you trash talk about my country and my people.

[Jin]

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How do I delete a post if I double post by accident?

[replay]

Taiwan can keep the status quo and China will just keep growing. The economy, the military and its political influence. It took China a lot of patience for it to have 5000 years of civilization. IF it needs to wait a bit longer...its not going to hurt. Don't forget, China has been saying that they will not tolerate Taiwan going independent now for some time. They just put it on paper. Nothing has changed.

And like others referred to previously, in order for China to get to where it wants to be, as a superpower in every sense, it will have to lose a lot of its old communistic tone and be more democratic. China will become more like Taiwan (and the rest of the 1st world countries) before Taiwan takes a step back in time and becomes more like China.


Ahh... for a Chinese living in Hong Kong and one that enjoyed the democracy it gave you, you are quickly speaking like a mainland communist.


I do hate the communist system in China, trust me. But what I say is from the fact that I am Chinese. This is what none of you can understand. I'm not going to sit here and let you trash talk about my country and my people.

And I am a 1st generation "A.B.C.", but I freely bring up the issues I have with China. I'm not blinded by ethnicity, nationality, or ancestry that I can't criticize any of these when I find problems of them. That appears to be one thing you're not good at. You won't take rational and legitimate criticism of your "my country and my people" simply because you feel like you and your people are 'losing face'.

If an American told you, "I hate George Bush, American policies, and the American democratic-republic system, but you foreigners and outsiders cannot ever criticize us because you're not one of us! I'm not going to sit here and let you trash talk about my country and my people." You think that's a valid argument coming from someone with even some moderate intelligence?

[Jin]

And like others referred to previously, in order for China to get to where it wants to be, as a superpower in every sense, it will have to lose a lot of its old communistic tone and be more democratic. China will become more like Taiwan (and the rest of the 1st world countries) before Taiwan takes a step back in time and becomes more like China.

Did I ever say China communism will remain forever. I stated often times that China's system will change to a democratic one. Because of the economic growth, the gov will change. And I've also stated often times that it will take TIME. That is why I said China will have the patience to wait. Wait for Taiwan fo come into the fold. This also means that China is willing to wait for its own system to change so that Taiwan may one day realize that it is for the better to rejoin China.


And I am a 1st generation "A.B.C.", but I freely bring up the issues I have with China. I'm not blinded by ethnicity, nationality, or ancestry that I can't criticize any of these when I find problems of them. That appears to be one thing you're not good at. You won't take rational and legitimate criticism of your "my country and my people" simply because you feel like you and your people are 'losing face'.

If an American told you, "I hate George Bush, American policies, and the American democratic-republic system, but you foreigners and outsiders cannot ever criticize us because you're not one of us! I'm not going to sit here and let you trash talk about my country and my people." You think that's a valid argument coming from someone with even some moderate intelligence?

You can say all you want about China. What my point was, don't be surprised if I start "speaking like a mainland communist". This is only because I'm trying to defend China's stand on Taiwan.. I have no problem with you criticising the Chinese Government. I often criticise it myself. You can say all you want...

I'll just list out a summary to let you know where I stand on this issue. Because my english isn't that good, sometimes I might have written something that I did not intend to say.
1) I agree with you on the fact that the Chinese gov needs to change.
2) I do not agree with the fact that China is trying to expand using its military
3) I believe Taiwan will have to join China...someday.
4) I beleive China will wait and not start a war. Just because of the new law, it does not mean China is about to invade Taiwan. As long as Taiwan doesn't cross the red line.
5) China have no wish to start a war. Especially with the growing economy and the olympics coming up
6) most importantly, China DOES have the patience to wait. Unlike what most of you think, China is not stupid to rush into a war.

[Dong Tsun Chang]

The newly passed 'Secession Act' outlined war as a last resort available to Beijing in managing the Taiwan issue. But at the same time it lays down a 'peaceful resolution' principle. Please note in the quoted article as follows that war is an utmost and ultimate method where Taiwan formally declares independence.

It is true that through the Secession Act the Chinese government threats to use war against any possible independence claim of Taiwan. However,
I would like to say that the 'Secession Act' should also be seen as a leash to deter the Warlords frictions who lobby for an immediate military action against Taiwan in the Politiburo. According to the Act no aggresive actions should be carried out unless in an extrme scenario, i.e. Taiwan's formal declaration of independence or where foreign troops land in Taiwan. Before that does happen, just like Jin said, China is willing to wait.

China is not supposed to give up Taiwan at least in the next fifty years no matter how the US and Europe would react to that. BTW, is it ironic that as a matter of fact, the Constitutional Law of the Republic of China (i.e. Taiwan) says that China has a sovereign territory not only including nowdays PRC and Taiwan, but even the nowdays Mongolian Republic (the 'Outer Mongolia' as known in China). As I know, at least until early 1990s, in the Six Laws Encycolopedia (Liu Fa Quan Shu) of the ROC, convicted secession of China can gain a person capital punishment. I have no idea if that law has been amended in a democraticalized Taiwan.

The Secession Act comes out or not, a war would be inevitable if Taiwan declares independence. The backing rationale is not difficult, for the Chinese authority would face a no-win game: if let Taiwan go, Beijing would collapse and that would defitniely impair Taiwan; launch a war, China on both sides would suffer a massive disaster. I think it would be a wise choice for both sides of the Strait to maintain a status quo. Why China would not wait when a war would not only ruin a successful liberal democracy but also a rising-up world power.

At the end of the day, the winner would be the Chinese people, living in China or Taiwan.

If you feel disguised when a Chinese people says in front of you that 'China should unify Taiwan', then think about whether Canada should give up Qubec, or whether the UK should give up Northern Ireland. Same logic.


Article 8 In the event that the "Taiwan independence" secessionist forces should act under any name or by any means to cause the fact of Taiwan's secession from China, or that major incidents entailing Taiwan's secession from China should occur, or that possibilities for a peaceful reunification should be completely exhausted, the state shall employ non-peaceful means and other necessary measures to protect China's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The State Council and the Central Military Commission shall decide on and execute the non-peaceful means and other necessary measures as provided for in the preceding paragraph and shall promptly report to the Standing Committee of the National People'sCongress.

[Dong Tsun Chang]

Seriously, Taiwan could keep this status quo forever as they have nothing to lose, but China would grow impatient and use laws like the Anti-Secession law as an excuse to "reunite all Chinese people".

Taiwan can keep the status quo and China will just keep growing. The economy, the military and its political influence. It took China a lot of patience for it to have 5000 years of civilization. IF it needs to wait a bit longer...its not going to hurt. Don't forget, China has been saying that they will not tolerate Taiwan going independent now for some time. They just put it on paper. Nothing has changed.


Ahh... for a Chinese living in Hong Kong and one that enjoyed the democracy it gave you, you are quickly speaking like a mainland communist.

I do hate the communist system in China, trust me. But what I say is from the fact that I am Chinese. This is what none of you can understand. I'm not going to sit here and let you trash talk about my country and my people.

Do not bother, mate. We are from China so we are supposed to be 'commies'. I do not give a damn on that now. Like, say, fifty years ago, since Germany was a NAzi country, so every German was a Nazi, so Albert Einstein and Thomas Mann were two f**king Nazis. rofl

p.s.: I do not think Taiwan would feel happy to give up China. Where on earth could they find a place like mainland China where a massive educated labour force who speak the same language and are eager to work on their manufacturing lines like slaves at salary barely higher than a slave? (Those Taiwan big besiness potatos should treat their workers well otherwise they would start to hate them...) :(

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p.s.: I do not think Taiwan would feel happy to give up China. Where on earth could they find a place like mainland China where a massive educated labour force who speak the same language and are eager to work on their manufacturing lines like slaves at salary barely higher than a slave? (Those Taiwan big besiness potatos should treat their workers well otherwise they would start to hate them...) :(

That same labour force would not be working at your supposed 'salary barely higher than a slave' if their own country had more to offer them. Seriously, what kind of logic would have a person working like a 'slave' if they had more opportunities? They take what is available to them, and what they see before hand is a chance to work at a wage they were not already making.

As China rises more in power, the citizens will feel more empowered and emboldened to demand more rights, higher wages, etc. and cheap labor will start being pushed into the other/more poor provinces and villages, or in another country altogether.

One last thing I'd like to add is that even though there may be many opportunities for higher paying and prestigious jobs, there will always be the menial tasks that someone has to do, and those menial jobs are in much more abundance than that of a CEO/Politician/Administrator/Doctor/Engineer, etc.