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pinkeye
11-14-2003, 02:24 PM
3 U.S. GIs Face Charges in POW Abuse Case
Fri Nov 14, 8:03 AM ET


CAIRO, Egypt - U.S. military prosecutors have decided to prosecute three American soldiers from Pennsylvania on charges of abusing Iraqi prisoners of war, a U.S. Army spokesman said Friday.


Maj. Victor Harris, spokesman for the Kuwait-based U.S. Land Forces Component Command, said the three will be formally charged on Saturday in an arraignment hearing at Camp Doha, Kuwait, which is under the command of the Third U.S. Army.


The charges grew out of an alleged incident May 12 at a U.S. detention facility, Camp Bucca, in southern Iraq (news - web sites). The three soldiers, from the 320th Military Police Battalion, based in Ashley, Pa., are accused of punching and kicking Iraqi POWs while escorting them to Camp Bucca.


Following an inquiry into the alleged incident, U.S. military investigators recommended bringing charges, which have since been filed by the Third Army's commanding general, Lt. Gen. David D. McKiernan. Saturday will be the first time the charges are formally read out to the accused soldiers.


The soldiers have said they acted in self-defense, that conditions were chaotic at Camp Bucca, and that guards had been harassed and assaulted daily by unruly prisoners.


The three soldiers, Master Sgt. Lisa Marie Girman, 35; Staff Sgt. Scott A. McKenzie, 38; and Spc. Timothy F. Canjar, 21, are accused of dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment of enemy prisoners of war, filling false official statements, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice.


A fourth soldier originally held on the same allegations, Sgt. Shawna Edmondson, 24, has received a discharge from the military, which she requested rather than face martial proceedings.


The soldiers, who had been stationed at Camp Bucca, were moved to Camp Doha several months ago and suspended from normal duties, but are performing administrative tasks.


During Saturday's arraignment, the three soldiers will be able to enter pleas, and a date for the court martial is expected to be set. The court martial will be held at both Camp Doha and at Camp Bucca to allow Iraqi prisoners of war to testify.

Dalleer
11-14-2003, 03:06 PM
Bad, bad soldiers.

Argyll
11-14-2003, 06:31 PM
Two female cops too!!

Haiw
11-14-2003, 06:34 PM
Female soldiers abusing em...hmmm...maybe they were wearing leather outfits and the iraqi's liked it? ;)

California Joe
11-14-2003, 06:34 PM
I usually have to pay extra to get two female "cops" to spank me. ;)

NcDeuce
11-14-2003, 06:35 PM
Aww...poor Iraqi scum...

Need a Band-Aid little fella'?

rofl

Keep :bash: 'em.

Jack Mehoff
11-14-2003, 06:38 PM
Two female cops too!!


sound kinky

Argyll
11-14-2003, 06:52 PM
But I bet they were fuc*in real ugly bitches with balls bigger than ours jack!!

TF wrote

Aww...poor Iraqi scum...

Need a Band-Aid little fella'?


Maltreatment of POW's is against the Geneva convention,despite them being Iraqi's the US is honour and duty bound to uphold the same convention,you would be mighty pissed when the misstreatment of the US POW's happened yes? 2 wrongs don't make a right!!

Iraqi scum............you forget here that many were defending their country,the same as you would do if your country was invaded,this will be the same scum that has cost your country over 150 lives to free then?
This will be the same scum,who you have spent billions of dollars destroying their country,and will spend even more rebuilding it up again,all in the name of "Operation Scum Freedom"
I'd suggest you used your words a little more wisely!!

California Joe
11-14-2003, 06:58 PM
Hey, you started this pal. Or was it your evil twin Argyyl. See, we all took your post about "two female cops too" as the impetus to think about ****o movies. My apologies.

Argyll
11-14-2003, 07:05 PM
got a link for those movies Joe :lol: ;)

Can you just picture the dominatrix out there in her desert Bdu's,with her cat o nine tails!!?...............................The mind boggles :roll:

Ichhabe
11-14-2003, 07:18 PM
Aww...poor Iraqi scum...

Need a Band-Aid little fella'?

rofl

Keep :bash: 'em.

You really gonna stand out to be an exellent American officer,.....NOT!!!

He219
11-14-2003, 07:30 PM
http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=463566

American soldiers from left, Sgt. Shawna Edmondson, Master Sgt. Lisa Marie Girman, Spc. Timothy Canjar and Staff Sgt. Scott A. McKenzie walk at Camp Bucca, the POW camp near Umm Qasr in Iraq, Aug. 27, 2003, as they leave a military hearing. Girman, 35, Canjar, 21, and McKenzie, 38, three U.S. Army reservists from Pennsylvania, will be formally charged on Saturday, with abusing Iraqi prisoners of war, a U.S. Army spokesman said Friday, Nov. 14, 2003. Edmondson, 24, a fourth accused soldier from the same unit, accepted a less-than-honorable discharge rather than take her chances before a military court. (AP Photo/Rob Griffith, File)

California Joe
11-14-2003, 08:06 PM
"Do these BDU's make my ass look fat?"

mocking_loudly_died
11-14-2003, 08:38 PM
American hearts and minds campaign:
"First we remove the heart with our knives, then we blow the brains out with our M16's". :D

Seriously some of the young people here seem to have little respect for your “Enemy”, stop living inside a world of “evil doers”.
All human beings deserve a level of respect.

In the context of the topic, I have no comment to make due to the lack of further information.

Ichhabe
11-14-2003, 08:42 PM
True mocking_loudly_died. In cases like this, it is the very best thing you can do. Wait t'ill the investigation is over. Everyone is inocent untill proven guilty.

It could be as the case against the british officer in the first days/weeks of this war.

Guttorm
11-14-2003, 10:08 PM
What can a military court decide to do with you, in such a trial?
Have thay got all the "options" a civilian court has, when it comes to punishment?

Jack Mehoff
11-14-2003, 11:31 PM
What can a military court decide to do with you, in such a trial?
Have thay got all the "options" a civilian court has, when it comes to punishment?

US servicemen are not subject under jurisdiction from the civilian court because military has their own UCMJ and their own prison.

Haiw
11-15-2003, 01:28 PM
mmm...would women fit into the dirty dozen? :lol:

Guttorm
11-15-2003, 01:45 PM
What can a military court decide to do with you, in such a trial?
Have thay got all the "options" a civilian court has, when it comes to punishment?

US servicemen are not subject under jurisdiction from the civilian court because military has their own UCMJ and their own prison.

OK, but can a military court issue the death penalty?
And how many years in prison can theese three look forward too?
Any thoughts?

Jack Mehoff
11-15-2003, 01:55 PM
Innocent until proven guilty. You don't throw anybody in prison because that guy says so

NcDeuce
11-15-2003, 01:56 PM
Aww...poor Iraqi scum...

Need a Band-Aid little fella'?

rofl

Keep :bash: 'em.

You really gonna stand out to be an exellent American officer,.....NOT!!!

Notice the sarcasm?

As long as you follow these principles: search, secure, segregate, silence, safeguard, speed to the rear, and tag.

Jack Mehoff
11-15-2003, 01:58 PM
What can a military court decide to do with you, in such a trial?
Have thay got all the "options" a civilian court has, when it comes to punishment?

US servicemen are not subject under jurisdiction from the civilian court because military has their own UCMJ and their own prison.

OK, but can a military court issue the death penalty?
And how many years in prison can theese three look forward too?
Any thoughts?

I doubt they are going spend 'years' in prison for beating up someone. A military discharge is possible IF they are guilty. I'm not quite sure how the UCMJ apply in this situation but you can look it up.

Ichhabe
11-15-2003, 02:06 PM
TF160SOAR: Sorry to say, but I did not notice any sarcasm in your post. Has it a certain smell, or is it other ways to reckognaise it?