What kind of rifle is this?

[rafaelcb]

http://estaticos.elmundo.es/elmundo/imagenes/2003/03/27/1048748792_extras_portada_0.jpg

[stuntman]

It's the new rifle m-03 Iraqi splater rifle lol don't know but I'm curious to!

[steel bonnet]

Is it not the M40 Sniper Rifle?

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Steel bonnet

[Mark Sman]

M40-A1 unless I miss my guess, and a guess it is. Items of interest in this photo. The rifle looks like it was camo painted before scope mounting. Either that or the scope was fully taped during painting while the scope mounts were not.

The carbon-based bipod is remarkably stable, mentally at least, considering the potential blast about to go off in front of his face. I attribute this to the appearance of the safety being in the rear/safe position and the shooters finger being off the trigger.

The shooter has both eyes open. This is not unusual, its just nice to note things done right.

Maybe these Marines are using the scope to check stuff out down yonder. Looks like the two guys in the background might be doing the same thing.

I wonder if this picture could be from the An Nasiriyah bridge area where scattered sniper fire has been reported in the media. Maybe these guys are scanning weeds looking for bad guys.

Whatever, I wish them the best of luck.

[smathieson]

i believe it is the new "accuracy international 338 cal " sniper rifle in use by american and british forces......... ;)

[virtualpender]

M40A1

[DeltaWhisky58]

Sorry guys

This rifle looks nothing like the Accuracy International .338 Lapua Magnum Rifle which has a Green (or painted) kevlar stock, which has a hollowed out section in the butt. The stock also folds. The action is of a veery distinctive shape and the bolt handle has a huge black plastic knob on the end of it. I'm sure our (i.e. British) Royal Marines are using the AI .338 weap out there, ideal for slotting Ragheads at extreme ranges.

[TacoDelRio]

I'm pretty sue that is an M40A3. It could be an M40A1, but keep this inmind: They are all Remington 700's with different toys attached to them. That one has a Leupold M3A Long Range 2.5-10x 40mm mil-dot scope. It could probably be an M40A1 with a Choate/Plaster sniper stock.

It could be anything, but it is a Remington 700 based weapon, probably in .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)

Hooah! p-)

[virtualpender]

It is not an Accuracy International, it is not a M40A3, it is not anything except for a M40A1.

[Ratamacue]

Definitely an M40A1. The A3 has a different stock.

[nathan_w_l]

Well there MR Dacey, you have a very confusing web site.

according to your website you are 18 years old, with your occupation listed as "military" and you have phrases such as "De Oppresso Liber" plastered all around. You also claim to build ghillie suits and "custom modify weaponry".

yet on your profile signature line here you have yourself listed as an 11x (x-ray when spoken not written) recruit and you don't know the difference between an m40A1 and and M40A3. this rifle is most deffinately an A3.

so my guess is that you are and 18 year old teenager who is part of the delayed enlistment program as an 11-X. correct me If I'm wrong.

But if I'm right, I don't think your representing yourself as what you truly are at this point and I know that many Special Operations vets would not be particularly pleased by your use of their mottos. Take my advice how you will but, I can gurantee you it will make things easier on all of us if you head it.

[Ratamacue]

Nathan, you're the only one who seems to be bothered by this.

In any case, that is NOT an M40A3. The stock is that of an M40A1. It's a fact. No argument.

[Smoothie104]

I think whats throwing everyone off is the cheekpiece on the stock.

It makes it look like an M40A3, but if you look at the front of the foregrip, you can see its tapered. As is the Barrel.

The M40A3 uses a McMillian A4 stock, and it is not tapered to the front, The foregrip a big block with the same diameter running the length of it.

The Rear of the Stock on the McMillian A4 has a very ****ounced drop off and more of a pistol grip, Its hard too see the shooters whole hand, but If you look at the stock right behind the reciever, you can see the nice gentle slope that is indicitive of the "General Hunting" stock of the M40A1.

Seems to me he simply added a cheekpiece.

I read somewhere that as the A1's are rotated in to the armory for service, the are replaced with the A3's. Maybe this one hasnt seen a lot of action, or maybe Its a case of familiarity, and "old school" Remember the M40A1 is capable of 1/4 MOA @ 600 yards with the proper ammo.
(for you non-shooters, that means the rifle is capable of grouping shots within 1.5 inches @ 600 yards)

And before anyone asks, I'm a Mortgage Banker, who happens to own an FN FAL. Iam thinking of getting an M1A also , the civvy version of the M14. Any Shooters out there have a reccomendation as far as a gunsmith? I was pretty impressed by what I saw at fultonarmory.com

[Duke]

the rifle looks nothing like a M40A3, nothing. The A3 version looks very match riflish, very angular particularly about the stock. Furthermore, the butt is adjustable and the rifle has a bipod. This is a M40A1 hands down and up.
Also, I'm annoyed at person who says they are something they are not. Im going to ask some tough questions, not easily found on the web and they should be easy for a gunsmith/solider. Dacey whats the stride in formation?? What happens to a fixed firing pin when filed down properly??? How did this branch acquire a colored rope??? If you dont answer these questions you're a wannabe.

[Knave]

And before anyone asks, I'm a Mortgage Banker, who happens to own an FN FAL. Iam thinking of getting an M1A also , the civvy version of the M14. Any Shooters out there have a reccomendation as far as a gunsmith? I was pretty impressed by what I saw at fultonarmory.com

Springfield Armory - www.springfieldarmory.com

Not that I own one, but... they seem to have good reviews. Alas, it's been a while since I've looked at any reviews for their products.

[David]

duke, what's your deal? dacey isn't in the military yet, from what i can tell he's in the Delayed Entry Program which would explain why he's a Private and that his mos is 11Xray and not Bravo or Charlie or whatever else. So i don't know what you thought he was pretending to be...

[Duke]

That was a little harsh. All I saw on his website was Occupation: military with Ranger and Special Forces' mottoes. So, I figured a guy who doesnt recognise a M40A3 from an A1 is not a gunsmith (The two rifles have very different stocks) as he says and is not a SOF. Ryan, if you're signing up, then congrats. I'm Marine and dont know Army MOSs.

[nathan_w_l]

MR Dacey needs to draw the line in the sand between wannabe/enthusiast and BTDT, much more clearly in the future so as not do draw fire from those who are members or former members of said units.

By not doing so as he has, it allows the conclusion that he belongs to or once belonged to these organizations. especially if you were to look at his website exclusively.

[Smoothie104]

Knave,

Yeah, springfield armory, thats who I would by either the rifle or the upper reciever from, Fulton can take that and add better barrel, stock, sights, trigger etc. glass bed the reciever and barrel, etc;.....

There are some chinese knock offs, and some refurbished models out there, but I think I will buy the reciever from springfield, and pay the additional 1500 or so to have it built up properly.

One could always buy a m40a1, for around $2600.00 They are available to the public. As well they should be since They consist of locally available parts.

The Remington 700 action can be found on $500 hunting rifles at your local WAL-MART, and the 7.62x51mm round (.308 winchester) is a very popular hunting cartridge. In fact a .30-06 and a .300 magnum are also sold @ WAL MART, and they are more powerful and hit harder than the 7.62

What a country we live in!

[Mark Sman]

If this is your first foray into the M-14/M1A/M21 rifle family, I would buy the cheapest M-14 clone I could find.

You may find that this rifle design or style is not for you, and will have saved yourself considerable cash over buying some tricked out POS you never wanted in the first place. The only way to find that out is to get one and fire it.

I would further recommend joining the Civillian Marksmanship Program to practice and learn the use of your new rifle.
http://www.odcmp.org/303/default.asp
http://www.odcmp.com/about_us.htm

This an organisation with a long and competent history of teaching and advising people on use of the type of rifle you are interested in buying.

They have clubs in every state (where legal) and are not "talkers." They are, primarily, shooters. Many of whom are ex-service.

As for learning to shoot a particular rifle, I have found that a little healthy competition is a good thing. Sharpens the skills and provides goals.

I have fired a Chinese Polytech version of this rifle. It wasn't bad. There was some BS about the receivers being soft, but it turned out to be BS. The best gunsmith I know did a rockwell hardness test on some Polytech samples and said they exceded the old MilSpec.

The cheapest example of this rifle might be an old Springfield Armory, or a ChiCom manufacturer. Whatever. As long as either model gauged correctly, and showed no sign of excessive wear, I would fire it.

99% of accuracy is based on you, not the rifle. So remember the old saw about "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?"
'Practice. Practice. Practice.'

Wishing all the best, I'll finish on a quote

"One hundred rounds do not constitute firepower.
One hit constitutes firepower."
attributed to General Merritt Austin Edson, U.S.M.C.
aka "Red Mike"

[Knave]

Knave,
The Remington 700 action can be found on $500 hunting rifles at your local WAL-MART, and the 7.62x51mm round (.308 winchester) is a very popular hunting cartridge. In fact a .30-06 and a .300 magnum are also sold @ WAL MART, and they are more powerful and hit harder than the 7.62


My Uncle hunts primarily with a .300 Winchester Magnum, loading his own ammo.... it's a hard-hitting gun for hunting deer and moose, even though it sometimes doesn't seem to like the cold - but that's dependant on model, not calibre. :)

My main rifle is a WW2-vintage .30-06 Springfield model 1903 made by a British manufacturer, and purchased by my Grandfather just after he left the Air Force in '45. Great gun, incredibly accurate despite being nearly 60 years old.... and hard-hitting as well. Good cartridge.

[Smoothie104]

I plan on shooting competitivley anyways, have wanted to do it for some time. I shoot a lot of Skeet here at the Gun Club in Savannah, but I want to start competing in rifle. I need something more accurate than my FN FAL.

Fulton Builds on Polytech recievers too I see. Im not really worried about the price, cause shooting is a lot cheaper than my other interests. But Iwould prefer an american made product.

Poly technologies is Owned by Generals in the Chinese army, Its a front company for the Military Industrial complex in China. PolyTech has been used as a conduit for arms sales to Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, and yes Iraq.

Global arms dealing is a mess, with Al-Queda shooting US made stingers at US made aircraft, so Im sure no company would come out squeaky clean. But there are too many chinese made AK's pointed at the U.S. and our allies to justify any purchase.

[TacoDelRio]

Haha, sorry about that nathan_w_l. I'm still workin the bugs out of everything.

Actually, I joined the US Army, and I am going to Airborne training next February, so don't go saying I'm a wanabe. I have a real knack for this stuff, and yes, I actually do make custom ghillie suits. I've not made many yet, about 4, but it takes a while to make one, as I'm sure you know very personally, since you are an expert, Nathan.

Yes, I am in the Delayed Entry Program / Delayed Training Program, I'm just trying to show that I am proud of joining the military. I've wanted to do so for pretty much my whole life. Call me a wannabe, that's cool. But you are wasting your time trying to put me down. I am going to be a Ranger, as I would never put the Ranger scroll under my name if I personally would not join them. But, anyway, if I'm a wanabe, act mature Nathan, and on't waste your time on me.

Hooah! p-)

[TacoDelRio]

I was in the CMP for a while. I found it to be a very good organisation. It taught me how to handle firearms safely, and it also helps you out a ton on marksmanship. I was a junior member, San Gabriel Valley Junior Gun Club.

Hooah!

[Knave]

I am going to be a Ranger, as I would never put the Ranger scroll under my name if I personally would not join them. But, anyway, if I'm a wanabe, act mature Nathan, and on't waste your time on me.


"Earned, not issued" -- And you haven't earned it yet. I think that's the point of the entire argument.

[Mark Sman]

"I want to start competing in rifle," said Smoothie104.

If you want to compete in an iron site match, I would get an AR-15 or a M-1 Garand.

The AR-15's have been cleaning up at Camp Perry for some years now. Most of the competitive shooters I know use an AR-15 type of rifle.

The other good competitive shooters I know use a M-1 Garand. The reason is that there is a growing base of shooters who like to compete with the Garands. You are not allowed to modify Garands much in the John C. Garand competitions, so in some sense it takes the rifle out of the equation and focuses on the shooter. I am not knocking these shooters. There is about a Bibles worth of stuff you have to learn before you will win a Garand match. They are fun matches, usually full of knowledgeable shooters, and are somewhat "looser" than AR-15/Match Rifle competitions.

If you really lean toward shooting a M-14 in competition, consider the Garand matches. Most likely, shooting a M-14 against AR-15s will get you smoked. One; because the AR-15s are so darn accurate, and two because the knowledge base of shooting a M-14 in competition is diminishing.

As for the FN FAL, if someone was going to go out and cancel some birth certificates, I could think of more than a thousand worse rifles to have. However, for target shooting, you are correct in saying they are not the best rifles for punching paper at distance.

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"My main rifle is a WW2-vintage .30-06 Springfield model 1903 made by a British manufacturer" said Knave.

Is it this rifle?
http://www.thejucketts.com/ww2website/m1917enfield.htm
http://www.highspeedlane.net/m1917/

For these rifles kicketh much butt.
However, I am unaware of a Springfield model 1903 rifle made by a British manufacturer. I would consider such a rifle exceedingly cool, and would request the highest resolution photos possible. Particular attention to manufacturers marks appreciated.

As a point of pride, please allow me to crow a little, I have a SMLE Mark III* made in 1916 by BSA and FTR'd in '44 in Australia. I had a master gunsmith re-barrel it about two years ago, as the barrel was not up to the same standards as the rest of the rifle. It is now a very accurate example of the SMLE service rifle. Sadly, not many people realize that the name James Paris Lee belongs in the hallowed pantheon of gunsmiths along with John Cantius Garand, John Moses Browning, Eugene Stoner and Sam Colt.

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To everyone,
Lets cut MrSkorotsnoy some slack. It sounds like he is near to entering service, for which he is to be commended. He will soon know the price to pick up that tab.

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And lastly,
Hell. I know I'm a windbag, but I see an unoccupied keyboard and just can't help myself.

todays quote
"Morningstar's Theological Principle: The most plausible argument for the existence of God is that it's not too hard to imagine that we'll have that level of technology someday too. This is not an argument which your religion, whatever it may be, is likely to find pleasing."

[Duke]

...Actually, I joined the US Army, and I am going to Airborne training next February, so don't go saying I'm a wanabe.

It's been awhile since I perused the board. Mister are you still a mister or are YOU in??? It has been that long...damn over a year

[Duke]

actually that's two years. ****.

[ramy]

http://estaticos.elmundo.es/elmundo/imagenes/2003/03/27/1048748792_extras_portada_0.jpg

That is a bolt action rifle.

As to what make it is ; I am not sure.

[Helly]

That is a bolt action rifle.

As to what make it is ; I am not sure.

Dude, no disrespect but have you tried reading? The question has already been answered: it's an M40A1.



Well there MR Dacey, you have a very confusing web site.

according to your website you are 18 years old, with your occupation listed as "military" and you have phrases such as "De Oppresso Liber" plastered all around. You also claim to build ghillie suits and "custom modify weaponry".

yet on your profile signature line here you have yourself listed as an 11x (x-ray when spoken not written) recruit and you don't know the difference between an m40A1 and and M40A3. this rifle is most deffinately an A3.

If you feel the need to criticize, make sure YOU know YOUR stuff first. Come on, "this rifle is most deffinately an A3"? YOU YOURSELF "don't know the difference between an m40A1 and and M40A3", eventhough it's quite easy to tell the difference just by looking at the stock.

M40A1: McMillan HTG aka General Purpose Hunting aka M40A1 fiberglass stock. No bipod.

M40A3: McMillan A-4 fiberglass stock. Harris bipod.

[obd]

Thats the M40a1 for sure. Its the older model Marine Corps sniper rifle which is being replaced by the new M40a3 which has a different more "boxy" stock to it.

I hear that at least a few Marines prefer the older M40a1 although in this specific case the soldier using it may simply not have been issued the M40a3 yet as its farily new.

[Aerosoul]

http://estaticos.elmundo.es/elmundo/imagenes/2003/03/27/1048748792_extras_portada_0.jpg

That is a bolt action rifle.



You don't say?

[digrar]

http://estaticos.elmundo.es/elmundo/imagenes/2003/03/27/1048748792_extras_portada_0.jpg

That is a bolt action rifle.



You don't say?

I would go as far as to say that it's a firearm of some description. :P

[Aerosoul]

Firearm? Bolt action rifle? NOW WE'RE GETTIN' SOMEWHERE!