(UK)History of Gun Violence

[Geezah]

The deaths of Charlene Ellis and Letisha Shakespeare have not stopped gun violence in Birmingham and the West Midlands. The most serious incidents include:

January 2 2003. Letisha Shakespeare, 17, and Charlene Ellis, 18, are killed in a hail of bullets as they attend a New Year party at Uniseven hairdressers in Birchfield Road, Aston, Birmingham. Charlene’s twin Sophia, and 17-year-old Cheryl Shaw are seriously injured.

February 17 2003. Dunstan Williams, 42, of Marsh Hill, Erdington, is jailed for 20 years after shooting a man in the head. A judge at Wolverhampton Crown Court says the attack happened because the victim did not show Williams as much respect as he demanded.

March 17 2003. Shaham Ali, 30, from Acocks Green, Birmingham, is killed in an alleged dispute between factions at Birmingham Central Mosque. His friend, Azmat Yaqub, 35, from Yardley, Birmingham, is injured but is shot dead in August 2004. Two men are later cleared of killing Mr Ali.

April 14 2003. Mohammed Sabir, a 22-year-old father of two from Lozells, Birmingham, is shot dead by a lone gunman who fired a volley of 16 shots outside a kebab house in Lozells Road.

April 17 2003. A 28-year-old father of three is shot several times by three armed men in Bevington Road, Aston. Detectives say they are investigating possible links with the Mohammed Sabir murder.

May 6 2003. Munaf Mohammed, 20, from Lewis Street, Walsall, is shot dead as he sits in a car in the town’s Gladstone Street. Two local men plead guilty to manslaughter in February 2004 at Wolverhampton Crown Court.

June 28 2003. Up to five masked gunmen burst in to Rashid & Co hairdressers on Witton Road, Aston, and open fire. A 21-year-old customer survives after being hit in the head and back. The incident is believed to be linked to rival Asian gangs.

August 15 2003. Daniel Bogle, 19, is shot in the head and chest on Drake Road, Smethwick, and later dies.

August 17 2003. A 17-year-old girl and a 23-year-old woman are shot in the legs outside a house in Ellerton Walk, Park Village, Wolverhampton, during a barbecue. The gunmen drive off in a car.

September 26 2003. Esron Germaine, 19, from Handsworth, is discovered with gunshot wounds to the chest in the Perry Barr area of the city. He dies in hospital five days later. He was shot with an illegally-converted ball-bearing gun. Police investigate gang links.

November 4 2003. Father-of-three Jahanzab Khan, 25, from Lozells, Birmingham, is shot dead on Rupert Street, in nearby Nechells, as he returns home from prayers. The shooting comes just hours before the publication of a report by the all-party parliamentary group on gun crime.

December 27 2003. George Oscar Terralounge, 32, from Handsworth, is shot dead in the early hours outside the Plaza Cafe on George Street, in Lozells, Birmingham. The venue, which police later closed down, has a history of violence. In November 1998, 20-year-old Daniel Brown was shot dead there after treading on a fellow clubber’s foot.

January 18 2004. Shots are fired outside the Premonition nightclub on Bristol Street, Birmingham city centre. A conference on tackling gun crime involving Government ministers and grassroots campaigners opens in the city just hours later.

January 12 2004. Professor Martin Smith, a University of Central England academic and a judge on TV show Robot Wars, has a gun pressed to his head near his flat in Balsall Heath, Birmingham. A gang of up to six youths force him to hand over about £200 in cash and his briefcase.

February 9, 2004. Student Joseph Nwabuko, 28, from Walsall, is shot dead after following three masked men who had just raided a cash delivery from the Nationwide Building Society in Birmingham’s Bullring shopping centre. Detectives believe he may have been killed because he either saw the robbers’ faces or the numberplate of their getaway car.

May 2 2004. Elijah Fagan, 24, from Alexandra Avenue, Handsworth, is shot dead by a cyclist in Handsworth Close, Handsworth, following a scuffle. He manages to stagger to a children’s playground on nearby Sycamore Road where he is found after collapsing.

May 20 2004. Hayley Davenport, 23, is shot dead at her home in Tansley View, All Saints, Wolverhampton. Her body is discovered after her children, aged two and three, are seen wandering in the street outside. A 31-year-old man is later charged with murder.

June 30 2004. Daniel Miller, 19, of Lones Road, West Bromwich, is killed as he sits in an Alfa Romeo car outside his house. The gunmen, all of whom are masked, escape in a green Rover 200 series. His family claim he is the victim of mistaken identity.

July 20 2004. Adrian Donovan Carberry, 25, of Grosvenor Road, Handsworth, Birmingham, is jailed for life for attempted murder after severely wounding a mother of three during a shoot-out in Aston. Police described Carberry, who also carried out a string of violent car-jackings in the city, as a key member of the the Johnson Crew gang.

July 26 2004. Carjacker Tanvir Hussain, 25, of Foley Road, Ward End, Birmingham, is jailed at the city’s Crown Court for nearly four years after kidnapping two terrified women at gunpoint in their BMW convertible in Sutton Coldfield.

August 22 2004. A 13-year-old boy is made subject to a three-year supervision order, including tagging and a curfew, after admitting attempting to rob a grocer’s shop in West Bromwich when he was 12. The youngster was masked and carrying a 12-bore shotgun.

August 26 2004. Azmat Yaqub, 35, from Yardley, Birmingham, is shot dead by two gunmen as he works out in a weights room at the Chic Physique gym on Formans Road, in the city’s Sparkhill area. He had previously survived a drive-by shooting in March 2003 that killed a friend.

September 4 2004. Narel Sharpe, a trooper with the Queen’s Royal Hussars, is shot dead in Smethwick, West Midlands, after returning from his German base on home-leave. It is thought the 20-year-old’s death is a bungled mugging as his expensive gold necklace is missing. A man is later charged with murder.

September 9 2004. A security guard is shot as he delivers cash to the BP garage in Cronehills Linkway, West Bromwich. He was robbed at gunpoint in February at the Nationwide Building Society in Birmingham’s Bullring shopping centre. The gang then shot dead a student who may have seen what happened.

October 21 2004. A 30-year-old man, from Hockley, Birmingham, is charged with murdering Ashai Walker, 22, in April 2002. Mr Walker, from Bromford, Birmingham, was shot dead as he sat in a BMW car in the city’s Lee Bank area. Two other men were injured.

November 20 2004. Doorman Ishfaq Ahmed, 24, is shot dead outside the Premonition nightclub in Bristol Street, Birmingham. Five men are later charged with murder.

January 12 2005. Four men are shot in Ruthie’s Place, a Caribbean cafe on Aston Lane, Perry Barr, Birmingham. The gunman, wearing a crash helmet, fired


Link (http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4280674)

Gypsum, I thought you said that gun crime wasn't that bad in the UK? This is just from the Birmingham area :cantbeli:

[<Gypsum Fantastic>]

The deaths of Charlene Ellis and Letisha Shakespeare have not stopped gun violence in Birmingham and the West Midlands. The most serious incidents include:

January 2 2003. Letisha Shakespeare, 17, and Charlene Ellis, 18, are killed in a hail of bullets as they attend a New Year party at Uniseven hairdressers in Birchfield Road, Aston, Birmingham. Charlene’s twin Sophia, and 17-year-old Cheryl Shaw are seriously injured.

February 17 2003. Dunstan Williams, 42, of Marsh Hill, Erdington, is jailed for 20 years after shooting a man in the head. A judge at Wolverhampton Crown Court says the attack happened because the victim did not show Williams as much respect as he demanded.

March 17 2003. Shaham Ali, 30, from Acocks Green, Birmingham, is killed in an alleged dispute between factions at Birmingham Central Mosque. His friend, Azmat Yaqub, 35, from Yardley, Birmingham, is injured but is shot dead in August 2004. Two men are later cleared of killing Mr Ali.

April 14 2003. Mohammed Sabir, a 22-year-old father of two from Lozells, Birmingham, is shot dead by a lone gunman who fired a volley of 16 shots outside a kebab house in Lozells Road.

April 17 2003. A 28-year-old father of three is shot several times by three armed men in Bevington Road, Aston. Detectives say they are investigating possible links with the Mohammed Sabir murder.

May 6 2003. Munaf Mohammed, 20, from Lewis Street, Walsall, is shot dead as he sits in a car in the town’s Gladstone Street. Two local men plead guilty to manslaughter in February 2004 at Wolverhampton Crown Court.

June 28 2003. Up to five masked gunmen burst in to Rashid & Co hairdressers on Witton Road, Aston, and open fire. A 21-year-old customer survives after being hit in the head and back. The incident is believed to be linked to rival Asian gangs.

August 15 2003. Daniel Bogle, 19, is shot in the head and chest on Drake Road, Smethwick, and later dies.

August 17 2003. A 17-year-old girl and a 23-year-old woman are shot in the legs outside a house in Ellerton Walk, Park Village, Wolverhampton, during a barbecue. The gunmen drive off in a car.

September 26 2003. Esron Germaine, 19, from Handsworth, is discovered with gunshot wounds to the chest in the Perry Barr area of the city. He dies in hospital five days later. He was shot with an illegally-converted ball-bearing gun. Police investigate gang links.

November 4 2003. Father-of-three Jahanzab Khan, 25, from Lozells, Birmingham, is shot dead on Rupert Street, in nearby Nechells, as he returns home from prayers. The shooting comes just hours before the publication of a report by the all-party parliamentary group on gun crime.

December 27 2003. George Oscar Terralounge, 32, from Handsworth, is shot dead in the early hours outside the Plaza Cafe on George Street, in Lozells, Birmingham. The venue, which police later closed down, has a history of violence. In November 1998, 20-year-old Daniel Brown was shot dead there after treading on a fellow clubber’s foot.

January 18 2004. Shots are fired outside the Premonition nightclub on Bristol Street, Birmingham city centre. A conference on tackling gun crime involving Government ministers and grassroots campaigners opens in the city just hours later.

January 12 2004. Professor Martin Smith, a University of Central England academic and a judge on TV show Robot Wars, has a gun pressed to his head near his flat in Balsall Heath, Birmingham. A gang of up to six youths force him to hand over about £200 in cash and his briefcase.

February 9, 2004. Student Joseph Nwabuko, 28, from Walsall, is shot dead after following three masked men who had just raided a cash delivery from the Nationwide Building Society in Birmingham’s Bullring shopping centre. Detectives believe he may have been killed because he either saw the robbers’ faces or the numberplate of their getaway car.

May 2 2004. Elijah Fagan, 24, from Alexandra Avenue, Handsworth, is shot dead by a cyclist in Handsworth Close, Handsworth, following a scuffle. He manages to stagger to a children’s playground on nearby Sycamore Road where he is found after collapsing.

May 20 2004. Hayley Davenport, 23, is shot dead at her home in Tansley View, All Saints, Wolverhampton. Her body is discovered after her children, aged two and three, are seen wandering in the street outside. A 31-year-old man is later charged with murder.

June 30 2004. Daniel Miller, 19, of Lones Road, West Bromwich, is killed as he sits in an Alfa Romeo car outside his house. The gunmen, all of whom are masked, escape in a green Rover 200 series. His family claim he is the victim of mistaken identity.

July 20 2004. Adrian Donovan Carberry, 25, of Grosvenor Road, Handsworth, Birmingham, is jailed for life for attempted murder after severely wounding a mother of three during a shoot-out in Aston. Police described Carberry, who also carried out a string of violent car-jackings in the city, as a key member of the the Johnson Crew gang.

July 26 2004. Carjacker Tanvir Hussain, 25, of Foley Road, Ward End, Birmingham, is jailed at the city’s Crown Court for nearly four years after kidnapping two terrified women at gunpoint in their BMW convertible in Sutton Coldfield.

August 22 2004. A 13-year-old boy is made subject to a three-year supervision order, including tagging and a curfew, after admitting attempting to rob a grocer’s shop in West Bromwich when he was 12. The youngster was masked and carrying a 12-bore shotgun.

August 26 2004. Azmat Yaqub, 35, from Yardley, Birmingham, is shot dead by two gunmen as he works out in a weights room at the Chic Physique gym on Formans Road, in the city’s Sparkhill area. He had previously survived a drive-by shooting in March 2003 that killed a friend.

September 4 2004. Narel Sharpe, a trooper with the Queen’s Royal Hussars, is shot dead in Smethwick, West Midlands, after returning from his German base on home-leave. It is thought the 20-year-old’s death is a bungled mugging as his expensive gold necklace is missing. A man is later charged with murder.

September 9 2004. A security guard is shot as he delivers cash to the BP garage in Cronehills Linkway, West Bromwich. He was robbed at gunpoint in February at the Nationwide Building Society in Birmingham’s Bullring shopping centre. The gang then shot dead a student who may have seen what happened.

October 21 2004. A 30-year-old man, from Hockley, Birmingham, is charged with murdering Ashai Walker, 22, in April 2002. Mr Walker, from Bromford, Birmingham, was shot dead as he sat in a BMW car in the city’s Lee Bank area. Two other men were injured.

November 20 2004. Doorman Ishfaq Ahmed, 24, is shot dead outside the Premonition nightclub in Bristol Street, Birmingham. Five men are later charged with murder.

January 12 2005. Four men are shot in Ruthie’s Place, a Caribbean cafe on Aston Lane, Perry Barr, Birmingham. The gunman, wearing a crash helmet, fired


Link (http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4280674)

Gypsum, I thought you said that gun crime wasn't that bad in the UK? This is just from the Birmingham area :cantbeli:

I love our little chats! ;)

(To help you out a bit, I think I heard firearms offences were even higher in Merseyside!)

As i've said before, if it was a problem then I would be all in favour of legalised possesion of certain guns. But as the police themselves don't seem too concerned about being armed themselves (preferring the backup of armed response units), maybe we should submit to their superior knowledge on the state of affairs.

When I hear of normal policemen refusing to work unless armed, then I would personally call for legalisation of handguns for the general public..

Until then i'll stay rational and keep away from the Daily Mail...

[Geezah]

The deaths of Charlene Ellis and Letisha Shakespeare have not stopped gun violence in Birmingham and the West Midlands. The most serious incidents include:

January 2 2003. Letisha Shakespeare, 17, and Charlene Ellis, 18, are killed in a hail of bullets as they attend a New Year party at Uniseven hairdressers in Birchfield Road, Aston, Birmingham. Charlene’s twin Sophia, and 17-year-old Cheryl Shaw are seriously injured.

February 17 2003. Dunstan Williams, 42, of Marsh Hill, Erdington, is jailed for 20 years after shooting a man in the head. A judge at Wolverhampton Crown Court says the attack happened because the victim did not show Williams as much respect as he demanded.

March 17 2003. Shaham Ali, 30, from Acocks Green, Birmingham, is killed in an alleged dispute between factions at Birmingham Central Mosque. His friend, Azmat Yaqub, 35, from Yardley, Birmingham, is injured but is shot dead in August 2004. Two men are later cleared of killing Mr Ali.

April 14 2003. Mohammed Sabir, a 22-year-old father of two from Lozells, Birmingham, is shot dead by a lone gunman who fired a volley of 16 shots outside a kebab house in Lozells Road.

April 17 2003. A 28-year-old father of three is shot several times by three armed men in Bevington Road, Aston. Detectives say they are investigating possible links with the Mohammed Sabir murder.

May 6 2003. Munaf Mohammed, 20, from Lewis Street, Walsall, is shot dead as he sits in a car in the town’s Gladstone Street. Two local men plead guilty to manslaughter in February 2004 at Wolverhampton Crown Court.

June 28 2003. Up to five masked gunmen burst in to Rashid & Co hairdressers on Witton Road, Aston, and open fire. A 21-year-old customer survives after being hit in the head and back. The incident is believed to be linked to rival Asian gangs.

August 15 2003. Daniel Bogle, 19, is shot in the head and chest on Drake Road, Smethwick, and later dies.

August 17 2003. A 17-year-old girl and a 23-year-old woman are shot in the legs outside a house in Ellerton Walk, Park Village, Wolverhampton, during a barbecue. The gunmen drive off in a car.

September 26 2003. Esron Germaine, 19, from Handsworth, is discovered with gunshot wounds to the chest in the Perry Barr area of the city. He dies in hospital five days later. He was shot with an illegally-converted ball-bearing gun. Police investigate gang links.

November 4 2003. Father-of-three Jahanzab Khan, 25, from Lozells, Birmingham, is shot dead on Rupert Street, in nearby Nechells, as he returns home from prayers. The shooting comes just hours before the publication of a report by the all-party parliamentary group on gun crime.

December 27 2003. George Oscar Terralounge, 32, from Handsworth, is shot dead in the early hours outside the Plaza Cafe on George Street, in Lozells, Birmingham. The venue, which police later closed down, has a history of violence. In November 1998, 20-year-old Daniel Brown was shot dead there after treading on a fellow clubber’s foot.

January 18 2004. Shots are fired outside the Premonition nightclub on Bristol Street, Birmingham city centre. A conference on tackling gun crime involving Government ministers and grassroots campaigners opens in the city just hours later.

January 12 2004. Professor Martin Smith, a University of Central England academic and a judge on TV show Robot Wars, has a gun pressed to his head near his flat in Balsall Heath, Birmingham. A gang of up to six youths force him to hand over about £200 in cash and his briefcase.

February 9, 2004. Student Joseph Nwabuko, 28, from Walsall, is shot dead after following three masked men who had just raided a cash delivery from the Nationwide Building Society in Birmingham’s Bullring shopping centre. Detectives believe he may have been killed because he either saw the robbers’ faces or the numberplate of their getaway car.

May 2 2004. Elijah Fagan, 24, from Alexandra Avenue, Handsworth, is shot dead by a cyclist in Handsworth Close, Handsworth, following a scuffle. He manages to stagger to a children’s playground on nearby Sycamore Road where he is found after collapsing.

May 20 2004. Hayley Davenport, 23, is shot dead at her home in Tansley View, All Saints, Wolverhampton. Her body is discovered after her children, aged two and three, are seen wandering in the street outside. A 31-year-old man is later charged with murder.

June 30 2004. Daniel Miller, 19, of Lones Road, West Bromwich, is killed as he sits in an Alfa Romeo car outside his house. The gunmen, all of whom are masked, escape in a green Rover 200 series. His family claim he is the victim of mistaken identity.

July 20 2004. Adrian Donovan Carberry, 25, of Grosvenor Road, Handsworth, Birmingham, is jailed for life for attempted murder after severely wounding a mother of three during a shoot-out in Aston. Police described Carberry, who also carried out a string of violent car-jackings in the city, as a key member of the the Johnson Crew gang.

July 26 2004. Carjacker Tanvir Hussain, 25, of Foley Road, Ward End, Birmingham, is jailed at the city’s Crown Court for nearly four years after kidnapping two terrified women at gunpoint in their BMW convertible in Sutton Coldfield.

August 22 2004. A 13-year-old boy is made subject to a three-year supervision order, including tagging and a curfew, after admitting attempting to rob a grocer’s shop in West Bromwich when he was 12. The youngster was masked and carrying a 12-bore shotgun.

August 26 2004. Azmat Yaqub, 35, from Yardley, Birmingham, is shot dead by two gunmen as he works out in a weights room at the Chic Physique gym on Formans Road, in the city’s Sparkhill area. He had previously survived a drive-by shooting in March 2003 that killed a friend.

September 4 2004. Narel Sharpe, a trooper with the Queen’s Royal Hussars, is shot dead in Smethwick, West Midlands, after returning from his German base on home-leave. It is thought the 20-year-old’s death is a bungled mugging as his expensive gold necklace is missing. A man is later charged with murder.

September 9 2004. A security guard is shot as he delivers cash to the BP garage in Cronehills Linkway, West Bromwich. He was robbed at gunpoint in February at the Nationwide Building Society in Birmingham’s Bullring shopping centre. The gang then shot dead a student who may have seen what happened.

October 21 2004. A 30-year-old man, from Hockley, Birmingham, is charged with murdering Ashai Walker, 22, in April 2002. Mr Walker, from Bromford, Birmingham, was shot dead as he sat in a BMW car in the city’s Lee Bank area. Two other men were injured.

November 20 2004. Doorman Ishfaq Ahmed, 24, is shot dead outside the Premonition nightclub in Bristol Street, Birmingham. Five men are later charged with murder.

January 12 2005. Four men are shot in Ruthie’s Place, a Caribbean cafe on Aston Lane, Perry Barr, Birmingham. The gunman, wearing a crash helmet, fired


Link (http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4280674)

Gypsum, I thought you said that gun crime wasn't that bad in the UK? This is just from the Birmingham area :cantbeli:

I love our little chats! ;)

(To help you out a bit, I think I heard firearms offences were even higher in Merseyside!)

Firearms are bad everywhere, you just don't hear about it that much. Hell I remember up in Camden(?) when Jungle was big hearing about guns being let off in the que to get in.



As i've said before, if it was a problem then I would be all in favour of legalised possesion of certain guns. But as the police themselves don't seem too concerned about being armed themselves (preferring the backup of armed response units), maybe we should submit to their superior knowledge on the state of affairs.

Damn.......you put far to much trust in the Boys in Blue :cantbeli:



When I hear of normal policemen refusing to work unless armed, then I would personally call for legalisation of handguns for the general public..

Until then i'll stay rational and keep away from the Daily Mail...

Ok....you do that, where as me I'll keep on sending money to the NRA to make sure I get to keep my firearms ;)

[BarkingSquirrel]

Ya know Gypsum, the first step to getting help is admitting that you have a problem.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Nah

You just keep giving the gun nuts heaps.

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/TheCaseForGunControl.html

Interesting

[Geezah]

Nah

You just keep giving the gun nuts heaps.

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/TheCaseForGunControl.html

Interesting

Did you take a long hard look at the link, yeah....like they're not biased rofl

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

And your links are not biased?

[Geezah]

And your links are not biased?

What the House of Parliment, the BBC, maybe the couple of links to the NRA could be accused of being biased, but the information there is all gathered from the Federal Guberment, and they provide a link for every bit of information!

Anyway, I rarely use the NRA as a source of information(on gun control) because of your comment above ;)
Unless of course you're John Kerry p-)

[Geezah]

Minardiau, you may as well use the the Brady Bunches website, here's a little titbit of their scare tactics!


Q: What is the status of the federal assault weapons ban?

A: The federal law banning the sale of semi-automatic assault weapons, known as the federal assault weapons ban, was passed as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. President Clinton signed it into law on September 13, 1994.

However, the assault weapons ban will expire ("sunset") in September 2004 unless Congress and President George W. Bush renew it. That means that AK47s and other semi-automatic assault weapons could begin flooding our streets again, as the weapons of choice of gang members, drug dealers and other dangerous criminals.

Thet still preach the dsame old sorry line, even though statistics have proven that bad guys prefer pistols over ASSault Weapons, plus the ban was an outright failure didn't do what it was supposed to!


Q: Does the law ban all semi-automatic guns? Does it affect hunting rifles and shotguns

A: No. The definition of an assault weapon is tightly drawn. Only semi-automatic guns with multiple assault weapon features are banned (see below). Traditional guns designed for use in hunting and recreational activities are not affected. To alleviate concerns that hunting weapons somehow might be affected, the law provides specific protection to 670 types of hunting rifles and shotguns that are presently being manufactured. The list is not exhaustive and a gun does not have to be on the list to be protected. Again, the only weapons that are prohibited are those with multiple assault weapon features.


OoooooHHhhh...the EVIL FEATURES, it's the cosmetic features that makes a gun bad! :cantbeli:


Q: What is the difference between semi-automatic hunting rifles and semi-automatic assault weapons?

A: Sporting rifles and assault weapons are two distinct classes of firearms. While semi-automatic hunting rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder and depend upon the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile, semi-automatic assault weapons are designed to maximize lethal effects through a rapid rate of fire.Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip, and because of their design, a shooter can maintain control of the weapon even while firing many rounds in rapid succession.

Opponents of the ban argue that such weapons only "look scary." However, because they were designed for military purposes, assault weapons are equipped with combat hardware, such as silencers, folding stocks and bayonets, which are not found on sporting guns. Assault weapons are also designed for rapid-fire and many come equipped with large ammunition magazines allowing 50 more bullets to be fired without reloading. So there is a good reason why these features on high-powered weapons should frighten the public.

Assault weapons are commonly equipped with some or all of the following combat features:

A large-capacity ammunition magazine, enabling the shooter to continuously fire dozens of rounds without reloading. Standard hunting rifles are usually equipped with no more than 3 or 4-shot magazines.
A folding stock on a rifle or shotgun, which sacrifices accuracy for concealability and for mobility in close combat.
A pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun, which facilitates firing from the hip, allowing the shooter to spray-fire the weapon. A pistol grip also helps the shooter stabilize the firearm during rapid fire and makes it easier to shoot assault rifles one-handed.
A barrel shroud, which is designed to cool the barrel so the firearm can shoot many rounds in rapid succession without overheating. It also allows the shooter to grasp the barrel area to stabilize the weapon, without incurring serious burns, during rapid fire.
A threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, which serves no useful sporting purpose. The flash suppressor allows the shooter to remain concealed when shooting at night, an advantage in combat but unnecessary for hunting or sporting purposes. In addition, the flash suppressor is useful for providing stability during rapid fire, helping the shooter maintain control of the firearm.
A threaded barrel designed to accommodate a silencer, which is useful to assassins but clearly has no purpose for sportsmen. Silencers are illegal so there is no legitimate purpose for making it possible to put a silencer on a weapon.
A barrel mount designed to accommodate a bayonet, which obviously serves no sporting purpose.


Wow.......so my ARs that cost over $1000ea are designed to shoot from the hip, isn't that what the insurgenst were doing in Iraq, shooting their full-auto/select fire AK47s form the hip......with little success of hitting anything?

Again it's scare tactics, if it looks scary then it must be and it's a shame that rifles like the Mini14, Mini30 or 10/22 are all in a World of their own,are they ASSault Weapons or Hunting rifles?
I think the Brady Bunch have watched one too many Spy movies, if I wanted to make a silencer so bad to commit an illegal act, I'd probably make one out of a Sprite bottle!

Anyway you see how clueless these people are, how can you call the information they supply as valid when the majority of them have little to no experience with firearms?

Anyway I thought I'd leave you with this bit of useless information.......twitch your finger rofl


Q: What is the difference between an automatic and a semi-automatic weapon?

A: An automatic weapon (machine gun) will continue to fire as long as the trigger is depressed (or until the ammunition magazine is emptied). A semi-automatic weapon will fire one round and instantly load the next round with each pull of the trigger. Semi-automatic firearms fire as rapidly as you can twitch your finger. This means that a semi-automatic fires a little more slowly than an automatic, but not much more slowly. When San Jose, California police test-fired an UZI, a 30-round magazine was emptied in slightly less than two seconds on full automatic while the same magazine was emptied in just five seconds on semi-automatic.

Ownership of machine guns has been tightly controlled since passage of the National Firearms Act of 1934, and their manufacture for the civilian market was halted in 1986. However, semi-automatic versions of those same guns were still being produced until the federal assault weapons ban was enacted.

Blah blah blah rofl

The Brady Bunch (http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/faqs/?page=awb)

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Don't worry i'm not a fan of the brady bunch. Hell the link I posted was purely a piss take.

Generally my views on gun laws are mine and mine alone. Alot of what I think are reasonable laws fall in the middle between such groups like the NRA and Bradybunch.

When I get time Geezah I'll post what I think are reasonable gun laws for you to disect.

[Geezah]

Don't worry i'm not a fan of the brady bunch. Hell the link I posted was purely a piss take.

Generally my views on gun laws are mine and mine alone. Alot of what I think are reasonable laws fall in the middle between such groups like the NRA and Bradybunch.

When I get time Geezah I'll post what I think are reasonable gun laws for you to disect.

I still can't get over this,


Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip, and because of their design, a shooter can maintain control of the weapon even while firing many rounds in rapid succession.


I can shoot my shotgun from the hip, and I guarentee I'll hit allot more than my AR with a 30 rnd magazine in place :cantbeli:

The only arguement the Bradys have are scare tactics, nothing they post makes any sense to experienced shooters, but all their crap appeals to the soccer mums!

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Thats just stupid. As far as I know. No gun is designed to be fired from the hip. Unless it's a gun from Predetor