Today's Pic's. Nov. 16

[Seraphim]

Has his mojo back
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Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld speaks to U.S. airmen during a visit to Kadena Air Base on the southern Japanese island of Okinawa November 16, 2003. American troops will not be withdrawing from Iraq (news - web sites) starting next June under a faster timetable for self-rule in the country, Rumsfeld told reporters on Sunday. 'No, no,' he told reporters traveling with him when asked if plans announced by Iraq's Governing Council for a transitional government would have any bearing on the continued presence of U.S. forces in the troubled country. Photo by Eriko Sugita/*******

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US Army soldiers remove the wreckage of an U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter, Sunday, Nov 16, 2003 after it crashed into a residential area in Mosul, northern Iraq (news - web sites), late Saturday. A military spokesman said that the two helicopters which crashed belonged to the 101st Airborne Division, which controls northern Iraq and that the reasons were not yet clear. At least 17 US Army soldiers where killed. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

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Turkish forensic officers inspect the bombing scene outside of the Neve Shalom Synogogue in Istanbul, Turkey, Sunday Nov. 16, 2003. Israeli and Turkish investigators combed the wreckage of Saturday's two bombed synagogues. Forensic experts found more human remains among the rubble. (AP Photo/Israeli Government Press Office/Moshe Milner/HO)


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An Arabic television station broadcast a purported audio tape by ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) on November 16, 2003 calling on Iraqis to wage holy war against occupying forces and warning of more deaths for U.S.-led troops. 'Fighting them...is a legitimate, patriotic and humanitarian duty and the occupiers have no choice but to leave our country Iraq (news - web sites), the country of Arabs and Islam, as cursed losers,' the speaker, who sounded like Saddam, said. Saddam is seen on a reward poster distributed by Iraq's U.S. led administration. Photo by Coalition Provisional Authority/*******


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U.S. soldiers clear wreckage from a destroyed Black Hawk helicopter in Mosul, November 16, 2003. Soldiers retrieved bodies and wreckage from two Black Hawks which came down under fire yesterday, killing at least 17 soldiers. The heaviest U.S. loss of life in a single incident since the invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) in March came just hours after Washington set the country on a swifter passage to self-rule in a bid to calm Iraqi anger at occupation. Photo by Akram Saleh/*******


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US military police officers block the traffic as others dismantle an Improvised Explosive Device in the Tunis neighborhood, north of Baghdad after an explosive device blew up against a US armored vehicle. At least 17 US soldiers were killed and five seriously injured when two US Black Hawk helicopters collided over northern Iraq (news - web sites) as one was reportedly trying to evade an attacking missile.(AFP/Patrick Baz)


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A US Blackhawk helicopter lands at sunset in Iraq (news - web sites). At least 17 US soldiers were killed and five seriously injured when two US Black Hawk helicopters collided over northern Iraq as one was reportedly trying to evade an attacking missile, according to US military and Iraqi police sources.(AFP/File/Stan Honda)


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Italian military doctors examine an Iraqi man at the 'White Horse' Italian military headquarters near the Southern Iraqi town of Nasiriyah, during a selection to become a member of the Iraqi Civil Defense Force, Sunday, Nov, 16, 2003. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)


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An Italian Carabiniere looks at a destroyed military vehicle during an inspection at the Italian military police base, that was hit by a car bomb attack Wednesday, in the town of Nasiriyah, Iraq (news - web sites), Sunday, Nov. 16, 2003. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)


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Iraqi's watch from a distance as US Army soldiers removie debris of an U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter, Sunday, Nov 16, 2003, after it crashed into a residential area in Mosul, northern Iraq (news - web sites), late Saturday. A military spokesman said the two helicopters belonged to the 101st Airborne Division, which controls northern Iraq. At least 17 US Army soldiers were killed. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)


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US Army soldiers secure the area, Sunday, Nov 16, 2003, where two U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopters collided and crashed into a residential area in Mosul, northern Iraq (news - web sites), late Saturday. A military spokesman said the two helicopters belonged to the 101st Airborne Division, which controls northern Iraq. At least 17 US Army soldiers were killed. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)


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US Army soldiers search through debris of an U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter, Sunday, Nov 16, 2003 after it crashed into a residential area in Mosul, northern Iraq (news - web sites), late Saturday. A military spokesman said the two helicopters that collided belonged to the 101st Airborne Division, which controls northern Iraq. At least 17 US Army soldiers were killed. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)


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British soldiers watch World Cup rugby semi final match England vs France in Basra, 550 kilometers ( 350 miles) south of Baghdad, Sunday, Nov. 16 2003. (AP Photo/Nabil Aljurani)


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U.S military helicopter part lies on the roof of an Iraqi family in Mosul some 420 km (261 miles) north of Baghdad November 16, 2003. U.S. forces retrieved bodies and wreckage on Sunday after at least 17 soldiers died when two Black Hawk helicopters crashed in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. *******/Goran Tomasevic


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Iraqis start a race during a physical test, as part of a general selection to become a member of the Iraqi Civil Defense Force, at the ' White Horse' Italian military headquarters near the Southern Iraqi town of Nasiriyah, Sunday, Nov, 16, 2003. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)


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A U.S. military helicopter flies over an Iraqi flag near the place where two U.S. helicopters crashed in the city of Mosul, some 420 km (261 miles) north of Baghdad, November 16, 2003. U.S. forces retrieved bodies and wreckage on Sunday after at least 17 soldiers died when two Black Hawk helicopters crashed in Mosul. *******/Goran Tomasevic


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A U.S. soldier secures the area near the place where two U.S. helicopters crashed in Mosul, some 420 km (261 miles) north of Baghdad, November 16, 2003. U.S. forces retrieved bodies and wreckage on Sunday after at least 17 soldiers died when two Black Hawk helicopters crashed in Mosul. *******/Akram Saleh


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A U.S. military helicopter flies over a mosque near the place where two U.S. helicopters crashed in the city of Mosul, some 420 km (261 miles) north of Baghdad, November 16, 2003. U.S. forces retrieved bodies and wreckage on Sunday after at least 17 soldiers died when two Black Hawk helicopters crashed in Mosul. *******/Goran Tomasevic


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A U.S. Army soldier looks at an English schoolbook surrounded by Iraqi children in Baghdad Sunday Nov. 16 2003. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)


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Terrified Iraqi women react as shots are fired around their house during a pre-dawn raid in a suburb of Baquba November 16, 2003. Looking for members of a suspected terrorist cell who attacked coalition forces, troops of the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division (Task Force Ironhorse) detained several Iraqi men after shots were fired at an assault team during an early morning operation. *******/Damir Sagolj


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U.S. troops detain Iraqi men during a pre-dawn raid in a suburb of Baquba November 16, 2003. Looking for members of a suspected terrorist cell who attacked coalition forces, troops of the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division (Task Force Ironhorse) detained several Iraqi men after shots were fired at an assault team during an early morning operation. *******/Damir Sagolj


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An Iraqi boy carries bottles of cooking oil he found on a train between the towns of Samara and Tikrit, 200 kilometers (120 miles) north of the capital, Baghdad Sunday Nov. 16, 2003. The train was derailed Saturday after an explosion but the cause of the blast was unclear, the U.S. military said. There were no injuries. (AP Photo/Karim Kadim)


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Terrified Iraqi children protect themselves from the cold after they're taken outside their house during a pre-dawn raid in a suburb of Baquba November 16, 2003. Looking for members of a suspected terrorist cell who attacked coalition forces, troops of the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division (Task Force Ironhorse) detained several Iraqi men after shots were fired at an assault team during an early morning operation. *******/Damir Sagolj


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An Iraqi policeman, wearing a shirt emblazoned with a picture of the rock band Nirvana, takes part in a demonstration in Baghdad November 16, 2003 by security forces demanding three months of unpaid salaries. *******/Hazir Reka


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Iraqi policemen take part in a demonstration in Baghdad November 16, 2003 by security forces demanding three months of unpaid salaries. Unrelenting violence is a key factor pushing Washington to install a provisional government before a new constitution is prepared and elections held, reversing a sequence previously laid out in U.S.-sponsored U.N. Security Council resolutions. *******/Hazir Reka


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An Iraqi runs during a physical test, as part of a general selection to become a member of the Iraqi Civil Defense Force, at the ' White Horse' Italian military headquarters near the Southern Iraqi town of Nasiriyah, Sunday, Nov, 16, 2003. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)

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Protesters shout a slogan during a rally opposing the visit of U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to South Korea (news - web sites), in front of Seoul military airport Sunday, Nov. 16, 2003. Rumsfeld arrived in South Korea to hold an annual meeting on the two countries' military alliance and South Korea's plan to send troops to help U.S. forces rebuild and stabilize the war-torn Iraq (news - web sites).(AP Photo/Lee Jin-man)


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U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld arrives at the Seoul Military Airport Sunday, Nov. 16, 2003. Rumsfeld arrived in South Korea (news - web sites) to hold an annual meeting on the two countries' military alliance and South Korea's plan to send troops to help U.S. forces rebuild and stabilize the war-torn Iraq (news - web sites). (AP Photo/Ahn Young-joon)


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[Red]

those south koreans annoy me,i wish the US would leave them,let them defend themselves against the north,lets see how long they would last

[kinghk]

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With no shoes on. Looks painful.

[ArmedPacifist]

This is HE219's turf.

[Seraphim]

This is HE219's turf.

Mind your own business noob....He219 and I or good.

[Seoulstriker]

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With no shoes on. Looks painful.

i prefer to run barefooted, but i'm not in a proper environment to do that: sidestreets and sidewalks. it's just too dangerous to run barefooted.

desert and grass and beach are perfect for 'natural' running.

[[AFSOC]]

those south koreans annoy me,i wish the US would leave them,let them defend themselves against the north,lets see how long they would last


Think about this for a second buddy, if the US wasnt in Korea....then the people would realize there would be an important need for them to stay in teh military and to defend themselves from NORTH KOREA.

I understand what your saying cause it used to bother me...just think about it.

[superpeltor]

those south koreans annoy me,i wish the US would leave them,let them defend themselves against the north,lets see how long they would last


Think about this for a second buddy, if the US wasnt in Korea....then the people would realize there would be an important need for them to stay in teh military and to defend themselves from NORTH KOREA.

I understand what your saying cause it used to bother me...just think about it.
I am puzzled... I don't think I understood what you were trying to say...


Here is what I think about American military being in S. Korea:

From what I know, American military are in South Korea becuase of threat from North Korea as well as threat from China and other countries in Asia. North and South Korea is really exsist because they function as a buffer zone for international conflict. (like China and Russia)

American military in South Korea is really benefit for South Korea as well as American Government. As long as North Korean keeps their Communism and South Korea persuing "freedom" nothing will happen. So much tension between them that they can't really do anything.

So called "super power country" Mainly Old Soviet Union and USA, did a lot to calm down smaller conflicts during cold war. Now, after the cold war and no more Soviet Union. There is really one country who has "super power" USA. This is why, there's been a lot of smaller conflicts last 10 years or so. People get nervous in front of someone who has so much power. Wouldn't you? I would. Even that "someone" is trying best for weaker people, weaker people gets nervous. I think pictures of Korean demonstrators show good example.

I feel bad when I see postings like just "leave South Korean so they get bombed." I totally understand why you American feel that way. I would probably feel same way too. But I thought I should explain where we are internatinally.

South Korea is so packed with weapons and soldiers, that it is probably one of the most militarized region in the world. Everyone (male) serves mandatory service, I too served my time with Army and discharged last December. Even US pulls their military out of S. Korea. We can probably defend from most situations but not all. As far as I know none of country did that in the event of national crisis (read: war) Not even US did that. There are a lot of countries supporting war on terrorism. Some send soldiers and some send financially help US. South Korea sent soldiers and now, we are gathering troops for division size(3000) deployment beginning of next year.

I hope this explained some of your doubts you might have with South Korea. We don't want another war in Korean peninsula. We lost so much and that's enough. So please don't say, stuff like "let them defend themselves against the north, lets see how long they would last." I know you really don't mean that (I hope) but still.....

I am sorry for all the political stuff.... We should start talking about military again here!!! Good day Guys!

superpeltor

[ogukuo72]

Why apologise? War is politics by other means. The military and the political are always closely linked.