Marine Force Recon LBE

[SafetyCatch]

Ok can some one straighten this up for me...

I've seen pictures of MFR wearing 3 different types of Load Bearing Equipment - those being the STRIKE Recon Vest, the Enhanced GI Vest and one that looks almost like Seal gear....

So what type of LBEs do they normally wear, I'm guessing the different types are because of different recon distances/missions, would appreciate it if some one could help me out.

Thanks
Safety

[SMGLee]

I am not sure any use the BHI STRKIE, it is Eagle Rhodesian which Blackhawk copied from.

Recon has used FSBE from point blank and also the Eagle CIRAS system currently.

[bishop1]

They probably use whatever they want usually. But I know SOTech has made a rig for them as well.

[eggroll]

wow SEAL Gear..... wouldnt that be some sort of red and white striped ball along with a fish carrier of some sort.

There has been a plethora of platforms used by FR in recent years.

do some research on what roles Force Recon perform and that should get you on your way.

EGG

[DTTO]

LMAO @ EGG... fishcarrier for a Seal... maybe a loppy should do the trick ;) Some nomex covers for the flippers?

Anyway SafetyCatch; it's kinda hard to "straighten" this out for you... It's not just one rig, as has been said earlier... Hell I'm on the other side of the ocean, and I'm only going on pic's here... But I've "seen" them in the Ciras, fsbe, EJt, MLCS, etc... It's all mission dependent, and personal preference.

Now please explain what you mean by "Seal gear".
Gear worn by SEAL's ?¿?, please elaborate further.

Thanks,

S.

[wildernesswhore]

Someone been watching too many SEAL movies? :cantbeli:

[James]

Even back in my glory days regular USMC grunts would wear 2 or 3 different kinds of gear in the same platoon... In my brief experience, one of the hallmarks of SOF guys is that they like to customize... rofl

well ofcourse you gotta fight with what you are omfortable in, right?! In order to perform well.

[SafetyCatch]

I meant gear that SEALS normally wear...

[DTTO]

I meant gear that SEALs normally wear...

... which is? ... dude I'm sorry, but that makes no sense.

If your looking for a load-out for a certain mission, then maybe some guys here/elsewhere can give you an general idea, and help you out.
May I ask why you want to know?

S.

[SafetyCatch]

I'm making an MFR addon for a game is all, I think I've got it sorted though

[DTTO]

I'm making an MFR addon for a game is all, I think I've got it sorted though

Cool.
Don't forget to let us see how it looks after you've finished.
Thx,

S.

[DUCKIE]

N e know wut MFR used in Nam?im trying to get a vintage lay out for airsoft.they used tiger stripe back then right?

[Ratamacue]

N e know wut MFR used in Nam?im trying to get a vintage lay out for airsoft.they used tiger stripe back then right?
The pictures I've seen of them during Vietnam had them wearing OD or ERDL cammies and regular H-harnesses for LBE. These are the best images I could find:

Picture 1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0804110239/ref=sib_rdr_zmin/104-9594914-2472719?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S001&j=1#reader-page)
Picture 2 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0804118736/ref=sib_rdr_zmin/104-9594914-2472719?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S001&j=1#reader-page)
Picture 3 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0804108064/ref=sib_rdr_zmin/104-9594914-2472719?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S001&j=1#reader-page)
Picture 4 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0804103011/ref=sib_rdr_zmin/104-9594914-2472719?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S001&j=1#reader-page)

[DUCKIE]

would a AK/RPK variant be a suitable weapon for Nam recon?Im goin to be the gunner/support in my group and the airsoft M60 would be way to exspensive for my current budget.thank you for the help ill take n e suggestions for a weapon.would tiger stripes would still be a viable uniform?

[James]

would a AK/RPK variant be a suitable weapon for Nam recon?Im goin to be the gunner/support in my group and the airsoft M60 would be way to exspensive for my current budget.thank you for the help ill take n e suggestions for a weapon.would tiger stripes would still be a viable uniform?

I don't know if the USMC ever wore tiger stripes. The Army certainly did, but I think the USMC used plain OD and later, the ERDL camo that Rat mentioned (kind of like early Woodland camo).

I guess you could call yourself an Army SOG guy, then you could wear and use whatever you want.

[eggroll]

the question is, was it Brown Dominant ERDL (central highland use) Green dominant (lowland) :D

dont forget RPDs and Dungarees for the Sealies.

EGG

[DUCKIE]

Wut is a SOG guy?i have no idea wutthat is :oops: .so OD bdu ALICE gear ,H susspenders and a RPK would be a viable MFR Nam setup?

[molsen]

Duckie,

You should spend more time typing and spelling correctly, that way it would make it a lot easier to understand what you're trying to say.

[D.Sigurdsson]

first hit :P
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=SOG&Find=Find

and if I'm not mistaken (please correct me if I am) the original SOG later got named SEAL.

[DUCKIE]

OK a Olive Drab BDU,ALICE gear w/ H suspenders, a RPK w/ mags(need suggestions 4 # of mags i should carry), a OD Bonnie hat, and Jungle boots. so that would be Nam MFR gear?also wut type of ALICE pouches did they use?Did MFR use the M14?

[Erik2a4]

first hit :P
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=SOG&Find=Find

and if I'm not mistaken (please correct me if I am) the original SOG later got named SEAL.


You are mistaken. SOG was a headquarters, predominately Army. The SOG men you are thinking of were probably the Strategic Reconaissance teams.

No, not the same, but no harm, no foul.

[eggroll]

WTF ALICE gear was not in use at this time frame, I suggest looking back and researching M1956, M61, M67 type LBE.

For F**in example a 3rd FR Co. Recon Marine from 1967 would have an M14 with two mags taped together, 6 more on an M1956/61 mixed gear, two canteens and an first aid kit. Solid OD 1st pattern utilities short brim moded boonie hat.

1970 may have one in ERDL with 56/61 mixed LCE, M16 with 10 magazines, ARVN sacks

[Ratamacue]

Eggroll, relax man. I mean, it doesn't seem like he's going for an absolutely authentic loadout, and ALICE gear is likely to be much more available than actual Vietnam-era LBE kit.

[Howie Kaluha]

Eggroll, relax man. I mean, it doesn't seem like he's going for an absolutely authentic loadout, and ALICE gear is likely to be much more available than actual Vietnam-era LBE kit.

Hey Rat, eggroll and molsen do this. It's ALL they know how to do on these forums. So, basically, I've learned to sit back, relax and watch them troll and flame and have a good time at it.

You see, Eggroll and Molsen are like Delta!!!!1111oneoneeleven, they know all about gear and how to do it, how to feel, how to smell it. Now, if you weren't in the military or you are an airsofter and talk about gear/equipment, then you're just not qualified to talk about it AT ALL..........

[DUCKIE]

hey eggroll wut bout a recon gunner?also would LC-1 suspenders be close enough?would a RPK be a suitable weapon?

[molsen]

Eggroll, relax man. I mean, it doesn't seem like he's going for an absolutely authentic loadout, and ALICE gear is likely to be much more available than actual Vietnam-era LBE kit.

Hey Rat, eggroll and molsen do this. It's ALL they know how to do on these forums. So, basically, I've learned to sit back, relax and watch them troll and flame and have a good time at it.

You see, Eggroll and Molsen are like Delta!!!!1111oneoneeleven, they know all about gear and how to do it, how to feel, how to smell it. Now, if you weren't in the military or you are an airsofter and talk about gear/equipment, then you're just not qualified to talk about it AT ALL..........
Listen you stupid ****, you're the one trolling, trying to start some **** with other board members. So far I haven't seen you help ANYONE on this board. All you do is ask stupid-ass airsofting questions in places where it's inappropriate. There's a reason for the airsoft forum. Get a clue and use it.

What Eggroll and I have a problem with are people who either refuse to use the search function or are too stupid to use it in the first place.

If you don't like mine or Eggroll's comments, either do what you can to get us banned or stop reading our posts. Be a man and grow up. If you don't like that, then take you're wannabe ass someplace else. You're the type of person who makes this board look bad, not me or Eggroll.

[Howie Kaluha]

Eggroll, relax man. I mean, it doesn't seem like he's going for an absolutely authentic loadout, and ALICE gear is likely to be much more available than actual Vietnam-era LBE kit.

Hey Rat, eggroll and molsen do this. It's ALL they know how to do on these forums. So, basically, I've learned to sit back, relax and watch them troll and flame and have a good time at it.

You see, Eggroll and Molsen are like Delta!!!!1111oneoneeleven, they know all about gear and how to do it, how to feel, how to smell it. Now, if you weren't in the military or you are an airsofter and talk about gear/equipment, then you're just not qualified to talk about it AT ALL..........
Listen you stupid f***, you're the one trolling, trying to start some **** with other board members. So far I haven't seen you help ANYONE on this board. All you do is ask stupid-ass airsofting questions in places where it's inappropriate. There's a reason for the airsoft forum. Get a clue and use it.

What Eggroll and I have a problem with are people who either refuse to use the search function or are too stupid to use it in the first place.

If you don't like mine or Eggroll's comments, either do what you can to get us banned or stop reading our posts. Be a man and grow up. If you don't like that, then take you're wannabe ass someplace else. You're the type of person who makes this board look bad, not me or Eggroll.

Yes sir, oh super duper Marine, sir!!

[eggroll]

hey Molsen, what can you expect from someone using multicam and 'bullocks' in the same phrase?

he still pissed because I told him that I had a 6 month + backlog on gear and that I would not place him ahead on the queue.

[Howie Kaluha]

he still pissed because I told him that I had a 6 month + backlog on gear and that I would not place him ahead on the queue.

Really??!! That's funny because I never made an order with you, LET ALONE tried to contact you. Wow Egg, I'm impressed rofl

[DUCKIE]

EGG u sell gear?and i found a pic of MFR using Tiger Stripe
http://www.forcerecon.com/images/strong/1bw.jpg

[eggroll]

you do realize that image is from the 2001-2003 time frame??

Of note, SOE PAtrol vest on the middle Marine along with the MILES gear everyones sporting.... or even the PVS14/aimpoint combo on the Marine 2nd from left.


Just because you see a smallish group of people using a certain pattern doesnt make it a given for anyone else.

[DUCKIE]

Damnit :cantbeli: n e way u sell gear?

[eggroll]

yes I sell gear to military, LE and civilian shooters.

And right now I have a 6 month backlog of work, and while I have been known to get stuff out the door in less time than that, there is a totem pole of who has priority.

Best,
EGG

[Poontang_Dan]

Damnit :cantbeli: n e way u sell gear?

Actually he MAKES custom gear. He is a manufacturer.

Duckie, you know getting a erdl bdu might make the biggest visual impact on your impression you're looking for. You could try to find one from eBay(just search for erdl). If you dont yet have the gear and you're just at a planning stage dont make too quick purchases. Listen to the guys that know. Eggroll and Molsen while hard are hard because they know.

If you already got the lc-1 suspenders and you cant afford to get 1956 suspenders which you btw will get really cheap(eBay again) then ofcourse you can use them. Research the photos from those units at the time look for the stuff they have. Most of it has been covered by Eggroll on previous replies.

RPK I think will work ok if you're going to be the gunner.

[Poontang_Dan]

Google on Vietnam gear: http://www.thevietnam-database.co.uk

Duckie, hope it helps ya.

[DUCKIE]

thx u guys.currently i only have the Tiger stirpe BDU.u guys rock!!!

[eggroll]

Have you hugged your rubber ducky?

http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/seals/baylett.jpg

Cant bust 'em
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/seals/darryl1.jpg

LRRP
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/lrrp/BEDFORD-COMPANY.JPG

Are you keeping up??
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/lrrp/No5.jpg

MIKE!
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/mikeforce/mf3.jpg
note the example of regionally produced tiger stripe, as evidenced by the noticeably different coloration.

Mobile Strike
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/mikeforce/mf1.jpg

indigenous/chinese/SEA mercenaries under SF advisors.

[eggroll]

http://grunts.free.fr/SCANS/ERDL.jpg

Brown dominant ERDL

[DUCKIE]

should i get a brown nt ERDL or the other one?i play in Escondido up in the mountians if that helps.

[Poontang_Dan]

Have you hugged your rubber ducky?

http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/seals/baylett.jpg

Cant bust 'em
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/seals/darryl1.jpg

LRRP
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/lrrp/BEDFORD-COMPANY.JPG

Are you keeping up??
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/lrrp/No5.jpg

MIKE!
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/mikeforce/mf3.jpg
note the example of regionally produced tiger stripe, as evidenced by the noticeably different coloration.

Mobile Strike
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/mikeforce/mf1.jpg

indigenous/chinese/SEA mercenaries under SF advisors.


Duckie, if you got the same problem as I(these pics not showing up) just copy the picture path to your browser and they'll show up.

[DUCKIE]

im stupid but not THAT stupid.thx :oops:

[Poontang_Dan]

im stupid but not THAT stupid.thx :oops:

Yeah but I AM. ;)

[DUCKIE]

Hey Eggroll,r M1956 one size fits all?cuz i went to my surplus store and the straps on the back seemed really short and didnt go down to my waist.

[eggroll]

ummmm

can you read the nomenclature stamp?

56 type suspenders came in regular and long lengths.

Ideally, the webbing tab that is sewn across both shoulders, would have been centered on top of your shoulders.

EGG

[bikewrench]

When I went in the Corps in 83 there were still alot of what we called 'poplins' around. These were all square pocketed brown dominant ERDL cammies.
The green dominant ones were pretty much long gone.
My impression was that the brown versions were not issued until very late in VN (if at all) and virtually every picture that I have ever seen through the late seventies had the 'lime greens'.
Tiger stripes were grabbed locally by anyone that could get away with wearing them. Especially anyone assigned to a RVN unit that wore them.
Early FR would have had a couple M3's but mostly M14's. By 69, nearly everyone had a choice of whether they wanted a 16 or 14.
56 webgear was predominant throughout.
Just some points with my 2 cents.
A

[pretorian669]

would a AK/RPK variant be a suitable weapon for Nam recon?Im goin to be the gunner/support in my group and the airsoft M60 would be way to exspensive for my current budget.thank you for the help ill take n e suggestions for a weapon.would tiger stripes would still be a viable uniform?



http://www.3rdrecon.org/images/poster.jpg
"Marine Recon In Vietnam" was commissioned by the 3rd Recon Association, RVN. The artist, Doug Bekke, a Vietnam Special Forces Veteran, painted this picture in consultation with several 3rd Recon Veterans and after reviewing hundreds of original photographs taken over the length of the war. The incredible detail of this painting was accomplished by enlisting the help of 18 year old volunteers who posed wearing the original clothing and equipment depicted. The accuracy is displayed right down to the boot eyelets.

http://www.grunt.com/images-bs/tomwilson2.jpg

Marines did use tiger stripe
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0302/images/burrows/012.jpg

http://www.authenticmilitaria.com/periodphotos/images/Vietnam/captHemingway.jpg

http://www.vwam.com/papa13/images/life3.jpg

http://www.authenticmilitaria.com/periodphotos/images/Vietnam/HartAndObrien.jpg

http://www.authenticmilitaria.com/periodphotos/images/Vietnam/3MarineAdvisors.jpg

http://www.authenticmilitaria.com/periodphotos/images/Vietnam/AdvisorFormation.jpg

[DUCKIE]

thx dude but i already got some ERDL camo.owell.hey do u guys no wut ERDL stands for?

[pretorian669]

thx dude but i already got some ERDL camo.owell.hey do u guys no wut ERDL stands for?

Engineer Research and Development Laboratory

The pattern was developed by the US Army Engineer Research and Development Laboratory in 1948.

Used by US Armed Forces in Vietnam. Issued to US Army special units from February 1967. All US Marines were issued this uniform beginning 1968-69.


The first version is called "lime" due to the light green, but is also called "lowlands". There is another version called "brown" (or "highlands") with tan instead of light green. The US quartermasters did not distinguish between the two version (and they had the same stock number). I think the lime version was introduced in 1967 and the brown in 1969.

[DUCKIE]

Hey i cant find a online store that has a M1956 Long H harnessand and my surplus store didnt have it either.could you give me the cheapest site.also for my RPK what are the best hi-capacity magazines for a AK-47 other then the Tokyo Marui ones(too exspensive).thanks you guys have been really helpful. :D

[eggroll]

would it hurt to spell out your posts?

ooo how about to gold dominant tigerstripes
http://www.mobilelaunchsite.com/images/M-gold-top-rev.jpg

green dominant ERDL boonie hat
http://www.mobilelaunchsite.com/images/erdl-boonie.jpg

Before you ask - difference between Brown and Green dominant ERDLs
http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/comparison/comparison%20brown%20ERDL%20and%20lime%20ERDL.jpg

Interesting comparison shot of pattern between GDERDL and Woodland
http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/comparison/comparison%20lime%20ERDL%20and%20Woodland.jpg

My Eyes!
http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/philippines_psg_front.jpg

[TriggerPuller]

When I was in(85-93) we wore what was issued to us...period! Jungle boots were not even authorized when I first got in the unit(86).It wasnt til later abiut 90 that we didnt use the same exact gear as the Grunts with a few minor differences.Most of the time it was green t shirts,jungle boots,dive socks and dive shorts for everyday use(work).

TP

[DUCKIE]

Can anyone point me towards a M56 Long H Harness please?Also for the airsofters here what are the best high-capacity magazines for and AK-47 other than the Tokyo Marui ones?I have got my setup thanks to you guys.M1956 Long H harness, a M1956 war belt, two AK Mag pouches, a M1956 buttpack, and two 1 quart canteen pouches.Thanks You guys are the gods of gear!!!

[eggroll]

FWIW

there were NO dedicated AK47 mag pouches in use by US forces -
however several kludge fixes were -

Canteen Covers - held two per, jutting out of top,

Claymore bag - held 4-6 per

Captured chicom chest rig, held 3, 4 or 6

M56 universal pouches with the lid tops cutoff.

to name a few.

[DUCKIE]

http://www.antipersonnel.net/fmco/005.html#6
i was goin to get this

[eggroll]

yes FMCO after market pouches.... so what are you going for realism, attention to historically accuracy or something just to put plastic in?

EGG

[Twombles375]

Pretty sure you'll be able to get a AK47 Magazine in a M56 Universal Small Arms pouch (if someone has said this already, then nevermind).

[DUCKIE]

How would the mags stay in if you cut off the lids to the M1956 small arms pouch? im goin for realism and historical accuracy.

[eggroll]

I said Lid TOPS cut off, not the lids themselves

there were two ways to go about this, cut slots through the lid, push single mag through, or cutout enough of the top to fit two mags through.

historically accuracy, then nix the FMCOs

[DUCKIE]

And that would hold the AK mags secruely?Also could you please give me a site that has the M1956 Long H harness.I havent been able to find one.thanks.ohh one more thing so none of the FMCO gear would be historicaly accurate?

[DTTO]

Also could you please give me a site that has the M1956 Long H harness.

2 minutes on Google gives you:

A page that sells the H harnesses, contact them if they have the long version;
http://www.namshop.com/page3us.html

A page that shows the difference between long and regular lengths, the "long" doesn't seem thát long:
http://aoranger.hp.infoseek.co.jp/public_html/nam_h_suspender_l.htm

Good luck with the collection,

S.

[DUCKIE]

THX DUDE THE REGULAR IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE 68" AND UNDER BUT I AM 6'2" SO IT IS WAY TO SHORT FOR ME.

[eggroll]

DTTO received your payment envelope today... remember you can lead a horse but you cant make him google :lol:

[DUCKIE]

i already found that site and i did use google.im waiting for there reply bout the long harnes thank you very much.so eggroll none of FMCO pouches would be historically accurate? the canteen looks like the M56 one?

[DUCKIE]

hey eggroll what gear did the sEALs in Veitnam use?

[eggroll]

http://www.mattandpamazon.com/images/matt/deargod_stop.jpg
http://img35.exs.cx/img35/6084/nottrapagainackbar.jpg

http://users.ev1.net/~rebarnes/index.html/stop.jpg
And by the way
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/BigDozer66/GrammerNinja.jpg

And finally

http://www.misplaced.net/stfu/wtfjustpostbillted.jpg

because in the time that it took you to write that wank'd sentence of yours, you could have GOOGLED your question.

[eggroll]

go to google type in... Vietnam SEALS equipment

[wildernesswhore]

Poor eggroll.. :petting:

[Poontang_Dan]

What happened to his Marine project?

[Adam Wilhelm]

More serious... what did the SEALs use in Vietnam?? p-)

[DUCKIE]

Okay eggroll,i searched on google.I still havent found out what gear the SEALs used in Vietnam.Could you please tell me?

[eggroll]

http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/seals/darryl1.jpg

http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/MacVsog/seals/baylett.jpg
note the Stoner.... you can figure it out. and no it is NOT an RPK

Odd I posted these BEFORE yet you dont get it.

SEALs wore a variety of mixed 56/61, ww2 era equipment along with indig modified magazine vests out of utt tops.

oh yeah... they wore denim dungarees too, but I'll leave that you to find out

[DUCKIE]

Thanks Eggroll.Sorry for angering you :oops: .You are the God of gear.I know the difference betwween a Stoner LMG and a RPK :D

[DTTO]

DTTO received your payment envelope today... remember you can lead a horse but you cant make him google :lol:

:lol: Yeah... no kidding ;)
Good to hear the envelope arrived allright. Now quit reading this and get yourself to the post office ;) j/k Bro, take your time.


Thanks Eggroll.Sorry for angering you :oops: .You are the God of gear.I know the difference betwween a Stoner LMG and a RPK :D

:cantbeli: LMAO... looks like EGG has found a new sig-line... ;)

S.

[DUCKIE]

LMAO.hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe rofl

[TallGuy]

Duckie, Omaha's has a lot of Vietnam era stuff e.g. ERDL boonie hats and M-1956 Suspenders(Long): www.omahas.com

[DUCKIE]

Thanks Tallguy that is exsactly what I was lookin for.Im gonna stick with the MFR setup.

[SafetyCatch]

I know this is a bit stupid to ask, but I need some pictures of wounds for my units, especially 5.56 rounds and damage to a kevlar vest, of course dont post them here because it will probably be locked, email me or PM me if you have any info

Thanks :)