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J-10
03-21-2005, 07:28 AM
Chavez Casts Himself as the Anti-Bush
With Oil on His Side, Venezuelan Seeks Allies Against U.S.

By Kevin Sullivan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, March 15, 2005; Page A01

CARACAS, Venezuela -- President Hugo Chavez has recently accused President Bush of plotting to assassinate him, made suggestive comments about Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, visited Fidel Castro in Cuba, bashed the United States on the al-Jazeera television network and traveled to Libya to receive an award from Moammar Gaddafi.

Such bluster and anti-American showmanship are nothing new from the fiery former paratrooper. But concern in Washington has been rising as Chavez has worked feverishly in recent months to match his words with deeds.

Since threatening to cut off oil shipments to the United States, which buys 1.5 million barrels a day from Venezuela, Chavez has been traveling the globe looking for new markets and allies to unite against "the imperialist power." He recently signed energy deals with France, India and China, which is searching for new sources of oil to power its industrial expansion. Chavez also has made a series of arms purchases, including one for military helicopters from Russia.

And on Friday, Chavez hosted President Mohammad Khatami of Iran, a nation that has a secretive nuclear program and has been labeled by Bush as part of an "axis of evil."

"Iran has every right . . . to develop atomic energy and to continue its research in that area," Chavez said at a joint appearance with Khatami. "All over the world, there is a clamor for equality . . . and profound rejection of the imperialist desires of the U.S. government. Faced with the threat of the U.S. government against our brother people in Iran, count on us for all our support."

Gerver Torres, a former Venezuelan government minister who now runs a private development agency, said such statements illustrate one of Chavez's key goals. "His main motivation now is to do everything he possibly can to negatively affect the United States, Bush in particular," Torres said. "He is trying to bring together all the enemies of the United States. He believes the United States is the devil."

While U.S. analysts said they doubt Chavez could afford to severely cut shipments to the United States, which buys 60 percent of Venezuela's oil exports, they are still paying careful attention to his statements. Sen. Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.) has asked the Government Accountability Office to study how a sharp decrease in Venezuelan oil imports might affect the U.S. economy.

Although Chavez has suggested he would "use oil" to fight American power, other Venezuelan officials have expressed a far more businesslike view of the relationship. In an interview, Andres Izarra, Chavez's information minister, said Venezuela had no plans to stop selling oil to the United States, which he called "our natural energy market."

The government says it produces 3.1 million barrels a day of oil, but independent analysts put the figure closer to 2.6 million. Izarra said the country aimed to boost its oil production to about 5 million barrels a day in the next five years, so there would be plenty of oil to serve both the United States and new customers, such as China and India.

Still, Chavez's comments and actions, including the purchase of a substantial amount of foreign arms, have drawn sharp criticism from U.S. officials. In her Senate confirmation hearings in January, Rice called Chavez a "negative force in the region."

Chavez's arms purchases from Russia, including 100,000 Kalashnikov rifles, have also drawn protests from the State Department. He has bought military aircraft from Brazil and announced plans to buy radar equipment from China.

In a recent televised speech, Chavez described the arms purchases and a plan to increase army reserve troops as "an honorable answer to President Bush's intention of being the master of the world."

Chavez is the most vocal and visible symbol of a rising tide of anti-American sentiment in Latin America. Leaders in the region are increasingly disillusioned because a decade or more of the Washington prescription -- democracy and free-market economics -- has failed to alleviate poverty and economic inequality.

Six Latin American nations, most recently Uruguay, now have presidents whose views clash, in varying degrees, with Washington's. Another politician with sharp anti-Washington views, Mexico City Mayor Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, is the early favorite in next year's presidential election, which could bring the trend to the banks of the Rio Grande.

After soundly defeating his domestic opposition in a recall referendum last August, and flush with soaring profits from record-high global oil prices, Chavez has increasingly been making deals with countries in Latin America, Europe, the Middle East and Asia, positioning himself as something of an anti-Bush.

In a recent interview on al-Jazeera, Chavez called for developing nations to unite against U.S. political and economic policies. "What can we do regarding the imperialist power of the United States? We have no choice but to unite," he said. Venezuela's energy alliances with nations such as Cuba, which receives cheap oil, are an example of how "we use oil in our war against neoliberalism," he said.

Or, as he put it on another occasion, "We have invaded the United States, but with our oil."

Izarra, in the interview, accused the United States of "systematic attacks and aggressions" against Chavez, repeating allegations that the United States was involved in a failed 2002 coup against Chavez and a crippling 2002-03 oil strike. Rice and other U.S. officials have repeatedly denied those allegations.

Chavez has saved some of his most biting sarcasm for Rice, whom he refers to as "Condolencia," which means "condolence." In speeches, he has called her "pathetic" and illiterate and made oblique ****** references to her. "I cannot marry Condolencia, because I am much too busy," he said in a recent speech. "I have been told that she dreams about me," he said on another occasion.

Chavez asserted on television last month that Castro had warned him that Bush was planning an assassination attempt. U.S. officials called this ridiculous. But Chavez said that if he were killed, the United States "can forget Venezuelan oil," threatening to cut off the fourth-largest source of U.S. oil imports. Chavez's government has begun exploring the sale of parts of Citgo, the Venezuela-owned retailer in the United States.

Many here say they believe Chavez dreams of the day he can cut off the United States and sell to countries he considers more friendly. Chavez visited Beijing in December and signed trade deals for oil and gas exploration, farm support and construction. He even reached agreement with Chinese leaders to launch a telecommunications satellite.

When Chavez visited India last week, the two countries signed an energy cooperation agreement and Chavez said Venezuela wanted to become a "secure, long-term" petroleum supplier to India. On his way home, Chavez stopped in Paris and reached agreement with President Jacques Chirac for more French investment in the Venezuelan oil industry.

Some of the gasoline that Venezuela ships to the United States comes from El Palito, a refinery about 200 miles west of Caracas. People who live next to the refinery in a little cluster of brightly colored beachfront homes said they did not believe Chavez would ever cut off exports to the United States. But in a country bitterly divided over Chavez's rule, they agreed on little else.

"He's destroying the country," said Carlos Rodriguez, a shopkeeper. "Oil prices are higher than ever, but there's more poverty and more crime. Then he flies off to other countries and offers them things he doesn't offer to us."

But a few yards away on the beach, Jaime Mendez, a fisherman, said: "We are all with Chavez because he helps the humble people. He doesn't want problems with the United States. He is just trying to do things, but they won't let him work."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35193-2005Mar14_2.html

fdt
03-21-2005, 07:51 AM
[quote]Chavez Casts Himself as the Anti-Bush Can't be! Never heard of this before. rofl

vampireuk
03-21-2005, 08:09 AM
Chavez then threw his rattle from his pram and demanded a wowwypop.

Jani.R
03-21-2005, 08:15 AM
Invade those terrorists before its too late!!









p-)

Freibier
03-21-2005, 09:20 AM
Chavez is a good guy

fdt
03-21-2005, 09:42 AM
Latin America brings to the World a special breed of Popular Hero. He is loved by poor and by gringo lefties. He is charismatic and... he doesn't like yanqui".

A little quiz: :D

Whose psychological evaluation is this?


"Despite his authoritarianism, extreme self-centeredness and grandiosity . . . he is not a madman . . . he is in touch with the realities around him. In fact, he is resilient and can generally adjust well to changes in the environment. . . .
"He appears to derive pleasure from the havoc he creates . . . He has limited capacity to tolerate frustration, competition, or challenges to his authority. He does not feel bound by the normal rules of conduct and frequently expresses his aggression in raw, direct forms. . . .
"He lacks the capacity to feel remorse. . . .
"He . . . appears to be motivated primarily by power and money - he is no idealogue.
"His paranoia is his greatest vulnerability. . . As he begins to feel more pressured he will become more rigid and less able to adjust to changes in his environment. . . .

Bluezoo
03-21-2005, 10:06 AM
What a stupid article. rofl

ROY H
03-21-2005, 10:42 AM
not the coldest beer in the fridge

Werewolf01
03-21-2005, 11:39 AM
*Waits for waves of MiG 29s to attack Houston*

fdt
03-21-2005, 03:23 PM
As to the quiz: it is NOT the profile of Hugo Chavez.

Kilgor
03-21-2005, 03:25 PM
I guess the leftists have to look up to someone these days.

TuNeRsHaRk
03-21-2005, 04:08 PM
*Waits for waves of MiG 29s to attack Houston*

Lol very funny, if an attack took place(wich it never will) theyd be attacking us here in florida probably first because its dangerously close to Cuba. but then again theres no way theyd ,make it even close to the USA

Werewolf01
03-21-2005, 04:14 PM
*Waits for waves of MiG 29s to attack Houston*

Lol very funny, if an attack took place(wich it never will) theyd be attacking us here in florida probably first because its dangerously close to Cuba. but then again theres no way theyd ,make it even close to the USA

That's what amuses me. Chavez acts as if he has the muscle to back his mouth. BTW my grandfather used to have a condo in West Palm.

foxtrot023
03-21-2005, 04:16 PM
Chavez is a numbnuts, but at least we got a good laugh out of him when 2 DJs from Miami called him, using Castro's voice recordings (they did the same to Castro).

usa320
03-21-2005, 05:20 PM
keep yacking chavez, and you might be forced to retire early.

nagant_m44
03-21-2005, 08:38 PM
He is just your typical corrupt south american dictator. Of course his country is poor when he and his advisers all pocket the money for themselves.

nagant_m44
03-21-2005, 08:39 PM
keep yacking chavez, and you might be forced to retire early.

I don't think that making an anti american statement is justification to "retire" him...

khukuri
03-22-2005, 12:08 PM
He is just your typical corrupt south american dictator. Of course his country is poor when he and his advisers all pocket the money for themselves.

Thats exactly what chavez isnt.

Chavez is the first president for a long time that actually is not corrupt and helps the people.

Fact number one: Hes the only one whove ben on power when venezuela had real democracy.


period

Ghostwolf
03-22-2005, 12:38 PM
What a stupid article. rofl

and someone who's stupid enough to post it.


A little quiz:

Whose psychological evaluation is this?

Now don't tell me this is G. W. Bush's profiling done by a communist leftie.

ArmedPacifist
03-22-2005, 12:48 PM
Interesting read, thanks J-10 for posting it.

foxtrot023
03-22-2005, 01:04 PM
He is just your typical corrupt south american dictator. Of course his country is poor when he and his advisers all pocket the money for themselves.

Thats exactly what chavez isnt.

Chavez is the first president for a long time that actually is not corrupt and helps the people.

Fact number one: Hes the only one whove ben on power when venezuela had real democracy.


period

Lenin,

Chavez is as corrupt as any of the previous politicians in venezuela. He is also giving Cuba oil for free (when his country could be getting a nice profit at the market). He used populist measures that at the end will break the venezuelan economy. He is no better than previous venezuelan presidents.

RomanS
03-22-2005, 02:22 PM
Invade those terrorists before its too late!!









p-)

what, Finalnd will invadel them? LOL save your man and stay home in your.........hole

Brozozo
03-22-2005, 02:58 PM
Time for coup d'etat?

Stormy
03-22-2005, 03:20 PM
rofl

Funny freaking title.. The Anti_Bush hahahahaha
that guy is nutts

DPGLAW
03-22-2005, 03:26 PM
What a crackhead. He is just a fool for supporting the terrorist regime of Iran and buying helicopters from the soviets, oops I mean Russians, another "enemy".... He is just hurting himself and it is obvious that he is, as others have posted so accurately in this thread, another corrupt latin american dictator trying to protect his corrupt regime by allying with terrorist states and our enemies such as China, France, etc. He will only hurt his country economically by cutting off oil shipments to us and it's not like we cant get the oil elsewhere so he is only "biting off his nose to spite his face" as the saying goes. Hopefully President Bush will get the approval to drill in Alaska and then we wont have to worry so much about crazy dictators and worry about their every whim with regard to selling us oil as we will then have our own.....

khukuri
03-22-2005, 03:30 PM
He is just your typical corrupt south american dictator. Of course his country is poor when he and his advisers all pocket the money for themselves.

Thats exactly what chavez isnt.

Chavez is the first president for a long time that actually is not corrupt and helps the people.

Fact number one: Hes the only one whove ben on power when venezuela had real democracy.


period

Lenin,

Chavez is as corrupt as any of the previous politicians in venezuela. He is also giving Cuba oil for free (when his country could be getting a nice profit at the market). He used populist measures that at the end will break the venezuelan economy. He is no better than previous venezuelan presidents.


Show me something that proves yoou right. The oil thing is not enteyrly true. He didnt give oil to cuba. He traded with them for doctors. Right now theres something like 12000 cuban doctors in the venezuela rural areas. Treating poor people that dont afford medical care. Ofcorse, something that disturbs the venezuelan rich people that hates chavez.

He didnt win with populist measures, he won with leftist ideas. thats a differens.

Werewolf01
03-22-2005, 04:02 PM
Honestly, Cheves's posturing and bluster reminds me of any of a score of two bit African and South American dictators. He will fade away and ten years from now people will be saying Chavez who?

foxtrot023
03-22-2005, 04:24 PM
He is just your typical corrupt south american dictator. Of course his country is poor when he and his advisers all pocket the money for themselves.

Thats exactly what chavez isnt.

Chavez is the first president for a long time that actually is not corrupt and helps the people.

Fact number one: Hes the only one whove ben on power when venezuela had real democracy.


period


Lenin,

Chavez is as corrupt as any of the previous politicians in venezuela. He is also giving Cuba oil for free (when his country could be getting a nice profit at the market). He used populist measures that at the end will break the venezuelan economy. He is no better than previous venezuelan presidents.


Show me something that proves yoou right. The oil thing is not enteyrly true. He didnt give oil to cuba. He traded with them for doctors. Right now theres something like 12000 cuban doctors in the venezuela rural areas. Treating poor people that dont afford medical care. Ofcorse, something that disturbs the venezuelan rich people that hates chavez.

He didnt win with populist measures, he won with leftist ideas. thats a differens.

Example one: The way he has handled the petroleum national company
Example two: How he forced a teacher to quit because that teacher has not addressed him/Venezuela with the "proper" name

And just to clarify things, there are not 12,000 cuban "doctors" in Venezuela, and I did not say he won due to populist measures, I am saying that he used and is using populist measures that will bankrupt Venezuela (like buying meat overseas and giving it for free to the poor and his croonies).

and the oil given to Cuba is on a credit basis (but no payments required).

Knutsen
03-22-2005, 04:25 PM
Kilgor, great post, following your logic, every right-winger would be a supporter of Mussolini for example :cantbeli:
Keep being as tolerant and unbiased and you'll end up being like that ones you hate that much.

Btw, Chavez's statements are completelly out of place. If he wants to be taken seriously he should learn to be more diplomatic. He can think whatever he wants about Bush (personally i think the same), but being the president of a "democratic " ( iseriously doubt it) and a sovereign state he should measure his words.

Lenin, Chavez is a populist dictator , yes he was elected (***versatile argument mode on***) but so was hitler (***versatile argument mode off***). The truth is that Venezuela has little or no democracy and freedom of speech (at least there are no mass executions).

khukuri
03-22-2005, 04:45 PM
What? there are several opposition TV-channels. Actually, the opposition almost control the majority of the media in venezuela.

And its not like in hitlers case. Chavez keeps getting reelected.
Even the carter center approved the election to be democratic.

I would keep saying its a democratic regime which the people support. Mather of fact is when the right wing tried to overthrow him the people stopped them.

The politics chavez use is not more radical and extremist than the swedish socialdemocrats here in sweden.

wiking
03-22-2005, 06:01 PM
This guy is a bit off, and he should tone it down a bit.

But i agree with Knutsen on everything he said.

Point about posting this, and the Americans dislike of him is
1. He's friendly with Castro.
2. He bitches about GWB and the Iraq war.

He isn't that diffrent from the French or the Germans when it comes to point two, but what is dangerous is that the US could find it easyer to overthrow his government than the French or German one (and it woulden't be the first time this has happened to a South American president\dictator or whatever you want to call him)

If the people elects him, and he actually does something for them, then bugger his methods, means and loud mouth. Atleast he's doing his job.

Kilgor
03-22-2005, 06:10 PM
Kilgor, great post, following your logic, every right-winger would be a supporter of Mussolini for example :cantbeli:
Keep being as tolerant and unbiased and you'll end up being like that ones you hate that much.

).

No..many leftist newspapers and organisations hail chavez as the new poster boy of communism/socialism.

Recidivist
03-22-2005, 09:21 PM
571 grains of cold lovin' going downrange...

Don't fight the .50 power....

1000 yards? He hasn't got a chance. I would love it if the CIA would still be allowed and would actively assasinate foreign nationals and leaders. Fidel Castro? MOAB dropped on hall during 10 hour long speech. Kim "The gay cockroach", dead in carpet nuking of North Korea. Ariel Sharon? Shot in the head 6 times by a Hasidic Jew/CIA agent with a .357 revolver. MUHAHAHAHA!!! Some days I am just so styupidly immature and unrealistic. I should see a shrink... oh wait... my girlfriend's one... oh wait... she is because she loves the crazy side of me that comes out after an overly long day at work (Been up since yesterday... and can't sleep because I still have too many stimulants in my bloodsteam).

SavikLion
03-22-2005, 09:53 PM
It more than just his anti-Bush rhetoric but it is also his military purchases from Russia (aircraft and small arms, his growing ties with Iran and China. Personaly I think he likes to come into the news whenever he thinks no one is paying enough attention to him, so the world can be reminded that he is the leader of the world's 5th largest oil producing country. I think he also does enjoy a seat of power based on the power vaccum in Venezuela, ether you rule from the top with power or you get the poor behind you. Hence his socailist style of rule, hard to judge his popularity, obivously with the wealthy class he is probably teribbly unpopular but with the poor he could be much more popular.

Unfortunately I do feel that this issue can be directly linked to our inablity to even talk with Cuba, not saying Cuba is a saint. But it is time that we begin discussions and even try to restore ties again with that country. I mean it is some what ridiculous, there was a huge void between those wealthy cubans and the poor who had nothing under Batista. And his revolution is popular outside of Cuba, so it isn't supprising that a socialist movement would take root. Of course Chavez had a lucky position with his movement when compared to Cuba, Oil. China and Russia throughout history have done more to threaten our national security. And they are now considered trade partners and we have full diplomatic and economic ties with them. The Cuba/US situation is like a socialist catalyst in Latin America, to many it symbolizes our lack of consern for a government that is supported by the majority of the less wealthy. They can use that to gain momentum for their own socialist movement.

As far as Chavez, he's a punk, hopping on the hate the US train, just like Europe and the middle east. I mean I noticed right of the bat the Europeans cheering him on. It will probably help him to tell you the truth. Look at Chirac and Shroeder, they all beneifit from that. Hell in France thousands died from a heat wave in 2003 and more French were conserned about hating GW Bush and opposing the Iraq war. Key to gain political success - Hate the US. Wonder what happens when you look around and your country is gone and now your a union member and your leader is from another country, and you dont even have your own currency anymore, must be crazy.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/02/25/venezuela.chavez.reut/index.html

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/content_objectid=13315579_method=full_siteid=89488_headline=-13%2D600%2DKILLED%2DBY%2DHEATWAVE-name_page.html

http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/weather.html

nagant_m44
03-22-2005, 10:48 PM
He is just your typical corrupt south american dictator. Of course his country is poor when he and his advisers all pocket the money for themselves.

Thats exactly what chavez isnt.

Chavez is the first president for a long time that actually is not corrupt and helps the people.

Fact number one: Hes the only one whove ben on power when venezuela had real democracy.


period

Now thats a pretty damn naive statement. If you have ever been to ANY latin american country, you know that they are all corrupt. The police are corrupt, the government is corrupt, the military is corrupt. Journalists are murdered in these countries by the government on a regular basis. If Chavez himself is not corrupt, then his administration most certainly is.

SavikLion
03-22-2005, 11:03 PM
Very true, police are almost like their own governments that the leaders have to make concessions to, just to control.

khukuri
03-23-2005, 07:08 AM
Well uh... we werent discussing the whole country. We were discussing chavez.

Journalists murdered in venezuela?
I know that a typical thing in latin america, but I havent heard of any journalists getting murdered in Venezuela.

nagant_m44
03-23-2005, 07:31 AM
Well uh... we werent discussing the whole country. We were discussing chavez.

Journalists murdered in venezuela?
I know that a typical thing in latin america, but I havent heard of any journalists getting murdered in Venezuela.

I assume you are in Europe, so I doubt that would be big news there. It has happened.

MARINO
03-23-2005, 07:43 AM
And now this is one of the best allies fo Spain .Thanks Zapatero :bash:

foxtrot023
03-23-2005, 09:55 AM
Now thats a pretty damn naive statement. If you have ever been to ANY latin american country, you know that they are all corrupt. The police are corrupt, the government is corrupt, the military is corrupt. Journalists are murdered in these countries by the government on a regular basis. If Chavez himself is not corrupt, then his administration most certainly is.

Nagant,

While it is true that there is a lot of corruption in some Latin American countries, I wouldn't place all on the same level. Some countries like Chile or Costa Rica are far cleaner than Mexico (per example). I know because I am in one of those countries, and I have traveled and done business in the majority of the countries in the region.

In regards to Venezuela, a venezuelan economist told me that in the last 20 years 88 USD Billion (oil revenue) have disappear or been squandered by the different presidents and cronies, including Chavez.

Commie
03-23-2005, 01:21 PM
One journalist got killed in venezuela during 2004.

http://www.indianprinterpublisher.com/aug/Publishing/71%20journalist%20killed%20in%202004.htm

TuNeRsHaRk
03-23-2005, 01:34 PM
i personnaly think we could afford loosing the oil from him for like a month until we secure it. but then if we loose then were screwed

wiking
03-23-2005, 01:56 PM
i personnaly think we could afford loosing the oil from him for like a month until we secure it. but then if we loose then were screwed

That would look nice. Big fat headlines all over the world "USA INVADES VENEZULA FOR OIL - WHERE WAS THE UN?"

Seriously, you think the world has a dislike of you know for Iraq, i'd say that would probably cause an outrage in the entire world. ;)

Just my 0.02 Norwegian Krone

GAFES
03-23-2005, 02:00 PM
The poeple wanted him to stay as president, that means the venezuelan people like him. The same with the Bush reelection.

Aerosoul
03-23-2005, 02:06 PM
Pfff.....South America. Our next publicized hotspot in GWOT.

TuNeRsHaRk
03-23-2005, 03:11 PM
i personnaly think we could afford loosing the oil from him for like a month until we secure it. but then if we loose then were screwed

That would look nice. Big fat headlines all over the world "USA INVADES VENEZULA FOR OIL - WHERE WAS THE UN?"

Seriously, you think the world has a dislike of you know for Iraq, i'd say that would probably cause an outrage in the entire world. ;)

Just my 0.02 Norwegian Krone

wasnt my point sorry if you missunderstood i meant that if he became an immediate threat to the U.S and the U.N, him taking our oil away wouldnt matter as long as we won the war. if you catch what im saying

BTW: were in norway you live

nagant_m44
03-23-2005, 04:00 PM
The poeple wanted him to stay as president, that means the venezuelan people like him. The same with the Bush reelection.

Yes the same way Castro and Hussein both won their elections unanimously...

wiking
03-23-2005, 04:03 PM
i personnaly think we could afford loosing the oil from him for like a month until we secure it. but then if we loose then were screwed

That would look nice. Big fat headlines all over the world "USA INVADES VENEZULA FOR OIL - WHERE WAS THE UN?"

Seriously, you think the world has a dislike of you know for Iraq, i'd say that would probably cause an outrage in the entire world. ;)

Just my 0.02 Norwegian Krone

wasnt my point sorry if you missunderstood i meant that if he became an immediate threat to the U.S and the U.N, him taking our oil away wouldnt matter as long as we won the war. if you catch what im saying

BTW: were in norway you live

My responce was meant jokingly anyway ;)

Tysvær, just outside of Haugesund. Why you asking?