The Marine Corps MARPAT Uniform

Can someone post images of the USMC's new "digital" camo? In all the different areas ie (Woodland, Desert, Tropical)

Thanks! p-)

[Guttorm]

Dude, if you use five minutes on this site, you'll find pic's of it EVERYWHERE

[Ratamacue]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/gulf_war_2_iraqi_freedom_marines/usmc228_001.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/gulf_war_2_iraqi_freedom_marines/usmc255_001.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/us_marines_in_liberia/abe.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/us_marines_in_liberia/abf.jpg
http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/utility/images/Patrol1.jpg
http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/utility/images/****eFromFront.jpg
http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/utility/images/SightingIn.jpg

[USMarine3521]

thanks rat

cant wait to get my set of MCCUU's woot

[catalyst]

there isnt a 'tropical' MARPAT design i didnt think.
Can anyone confirm the use of the Desert and the "woodland" version only?

Wow! Thanks Rat, good images...

Hey Marine, I'm going to enlist in about 2-3 years, are you in the DEP program? And I'm probably going to MCRD San Diego, you?

There should be a Tropical... would the Marines use woodland if they were doing operations in South America?

[Ratamacue]

The only patterns adopted by the Corps thus far are the woodland and desert patterns, and there is an experimental urban pattern that has no plans of being used thus far. In a tropical area, the Marines would use regular woodland. The "coyote brown" color in the patterns will change hue depending on ambient light, making the pattern versatile for almost any situation.


cant wait to get my set of MCCUU's woot

Same here dude, too bad I don't turn 17 until June 2005. :|

[USMarine3521]

Wow! Thanks Rat, good images...

Hey Marine, I'm going to enlist in about 2-3 years, are you in the DEP program? And I'm probably going to MCRD San Diego, you?

There should be a Tropical... would the Marines use woodland if they were doing operations in South America?

yeah man I'm in the DEP and I am going to MCRD San Diego on June 21st

if you have any questions feel free to ask

[USMarine3521]

The only patterns adopted by the Corps thus far are the woodland and desert patterns, and there is an experimental urban pattern that has no plans of being used thus far. In a tropical area, the Marines would use regular woodland. The "coyote brown" color in the patterns will change hue depending on ambient light, making the pattern versatile for almost any situation.


cant wait to get my set of MCCUU's woot

Same here dude, too bad I don't turn 17 until June 2005. :|

hehe rat, did you click the "send me more info" button on www.marines.com?? if you did you can expect a phone call from a recruiter in your area about a 1-2 months after your 17th birthday.

[Ratamacue]

Yeah actually I did that when I was like 13, haha, and got this letter like "We're sorry but you're too young, just do well in school and stay off drugs!"

I'm probably going to end up doing DEP and going to boot the summer I turn 17, hopefully.

yeah man I'm in the DEP and I am going to MCRD San Diego on June 21st

if you have any questions feel free to ask

How is DEP Like? Is it hard? How long is it? Where is it? How old do you have to be? Any other info like that would be great...

Desert Marpat
http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/utility/images/1marpat_du.gif

Desert Marpat
http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/utility/improvements/media/camo_desert.gif

Woodland Marpat
http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/utility/images/1marpat_wood.gif

Woodland Marpat
http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/utility/improvements/media/camo_wood.gif

Alright I searched all over the net for these, now... what is the difference between all these and in which area are these Camo's used in? Specificaly..?

[Ratamacue]

The 1st and 4th patterns are the older version. The desert no longer has that blueish-gray in it, and the woodland is much darker. The 2nd and 3rd patterns there are the ones currently used. Desert is primarily designed for...you guessed it!...desert combat. Woodland is for woodland/tropical/brownish-greenish areas and is also preferred for urban combat where camouflage is just about impossible, so darker is better (a darker enemy is a more intimidating enemy).

(a darker enemy is a more intimidating enemy).

Wouldn't an all black uniform be best in Urban? That's what the British SAS seems to use for urban operations....

The seige of the Iranian Embassy in London (1980)
http://www.hkpro.com/image/action2saswindow.jpg

[Pandy]

I just got to say.. it looks good on them :)

I fallen in love the USMC's new marpat camo... it looks extremely effective, look at the picks above. But it looks very similiar to another countries camo... don't know which exactly, is it Germany or Poland?

Is the US Army going to change there current camo uniforms?

[USMarine3521]

yeah man I'm in the DEP and I am going to MCRD San Diego on June 21st

if you have any questions feel free to ask

How is DEP Like? Is it hard? How long is it? Where is it? How old do you have to be? Any other info like that would be great...

well the DEP pretty much depends on the gunny who's running the place, over here we PT every friday and you PT on wednesdays if your struggling on the friday PT. They have what's called "pool functions" and we basically go out and do cool stuff like one time we went to Camp Pendelton and the recruiters taught us how to clean/assemble/fire the m16a2. and another time we went paintballing at Camp Pendelton, all free (taxpayers money at work rofl ). the DEP is great you'll meet a lot of people and you get to laugh at the Navy, Army, Air Force DEPers because their DEP doesnt come close to the Marine Corps DEP, you will feel the comaraderie

yes, the PT's are hard over here, they made it so the PT's we do here are a lot harder than the ones you do in boot camp so if I were to go to boot I can say to myself "damn gunny's PT were way harder than this", its to give some extra confidence for boot.

the length of the DEP depends on when your ship date if you enlist while your a senior is high school or college then you probably will have a "set" date. but if you enlist after you graduate they give you a date at MEPS, (the place whre you get your medical , swear in, etc.) but if for some reason someone cannot go to boot then the liason may call your home recruiting office and the gunny may call you up to go to boot on monday (Marine boot camp starts every monday).
recap:
-if your a senior your ship date is for the most part set in stone
-if your not you pretty much should be ready to go to boot at a moments notice
-however the gunny of the recruiting office pretty much only sends people that he feels are ready to go

you have to be 17 to be in the DEP, however their are some people that are 16 that PT with us because they are over weight so they run with us so they can be within normal weight limits.

the DEP is at your recruiting office

anyways this is my just my area (Southen California)

my bro MarineDEP4 is also in the DEP and he's in the Boston area and he is going to MCRD Parris Island, so *ahem* why don't you explain how your DEP works??

any DEPers (any branch) please tell us what you guys do.

[Ratamacue]

Canada was the first (among the first?) country to develop digital camo, theirs being called CADPAT. MARPAT was designed after CADPAT, but totally seperately. The desert versions of CADPAT and MARPAT are virtually identical, though the woodland CADPAT is better suited for northern vegetation (brighter green colors) and isn't as versatile as MARPAT, though it's a very effective pattern nonetheless.

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9005.jpg
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9018.jpg

[Dalleer]

This might be a bit offtopic, but I've always wondered about the US army "Urban camouflage" that gets around...

Now, has this specific camo been used in any campaigns for the US so far or in training exercises anywhere?

Also, I'm wondering about this "Boonie hat in urban camouflage" since I've seen a few airsoft-related shops selling it but never actually had the chance to confirm on if a "Urban-boonie" is actually used by the US army at all.

In the event that there would be a campaign to "somewhere" that would require Urban-camouflage sets for the whole army, would the US army/marines etc. have enough of this stuff in stock right now ?

And, I do mean this "Urban camouflage" not the digital one.

[ArmedPacifist]

CADPAT is better suited for northern vegetation (brighter green colors) and isn't as versatile as MARPAT, though it's a very effective pattern nonetheless.


That's debatable. It is not clear at this point which unfirom is superior.

[[AFSOC]]

Very true....

There's pics on Clothe the Solider of the CADPAT in AFghanistan blending in with sand and rocks. I aint even talkin about CADPAT AR...this is CADPAT TW.

In my opinion both CADPAT and MARPAT are equally good. Prolly the best out there.

I believe they are currently making URBAN CADPAT and URBAN MARPAT. I know for sure there will also be a snow type CADPAT. Three shades...WHITE, BLACK and Grey.

[USMarine3521]

Very true....

There's pics on Clothe the Solider of the CADPAT in AFghanistan blending in with sand and rocks. I aint even talkin about CADPAT AR...this is CADPAT TW.

In my opinion both CADPAT and MARPAT are equally good. Prolly the best out there.

I believe they are currently making URBAN CADPAT and URBAN MARPAT. I know for sure there will also be a snow type CADPAT. Three shades...WHITE, BLACK and Grey.

isn't that the urban pattern, and why would you need a snow pattern for anyway, i mean a plain white IMO would work the best.

[[AFSOC]]

Its Canada....they like to waste there money on silly things. Like snow shoes. They do a lot of traiing up north soo i guess its just for the soldiers, and maybe for teh soldiers in the FOrmer Yugoslavia too. There's about 1,500 i think there....Canadian soldiers that is.

[ArmedPacifist]

Its Canada....they like to waste there money on silly things. Like snow shoes. They do a lot of traiing up north soo i guess its just for the soldiers, and maybe for teh soldiers in the FOrmer Yugoslavia too. There's about 1,500 i think there....Canadian soldiers that is.

Don't forget the Penguins.

[[AFSOC]]

um what?

that made no sense buddy....

[ArmedPacifist]

um what?

that made no sense buddy....

How can even begin to declare something doesn't make sense after writing this?


Its Canada....they like to waste there money on silly things. Like snow shoes. They do a lot of traiing up north soo i guess its just for the soldiers, and maybe for teh soldiers in the FOrmer Yugoslavia too. There's about 1,500 i think there....Canadian soldiers that is.

What are you smoking?

[[AFSOC]]

YEa i was talkin about Canadians

Where did Penguins come from?

[ArmedPacifist]

YEa i was talkin about Canadians

Where did Penguins come from?

I was trying to make sense out of your post which I still have yet to grasp.

[The Punk]

(a darker enemy is a more intimidating enemy).

Wouldn't an all black uniform be best in Urban? That's what the British SAS seems to use for urban operations....

The seige of the Iranian Embassy in London (1980)
http://www.hkpro.com/image/action2saswindow.jpg

No, it's not. Black suits are used in urban warfare for psychological impact, not for camo, because best camo in urban is grey/white/black.

[glofs]

In the event that there would be a campaign to "somewhere" that would require Urban-camouflage sets for the whole army, would the US army/marines etc. have enough of this stuff in stock right now ?


A specified urban camouflage isn't neccessary, just look out your window to see how much vegetation there is even in a big city... there are more drawbacks with a specific urban camouflage, you would really stand out if you had to get back to the forest...

I saw a sniper documentary on Discovery where they flipped their BDU-jackets inside out when they got in to urban landscape to get a white/grey-jacket...

[glofs]

isn't that the urban pattern, and why would you need a snow pattern for anyway, i mean a plain white IMO would work the best.

Germany have a snow pattern, http://www.britnett.net/kws/listings/132.html

[MolliG]

This might be a bit offtopic, but I've always wondered about the US army "Urban camouflage" that gets around...

Now, has this specific camo been used in any campaigns for the US so far or in training exercises anywhere?

In the book Load + Load Weapons Of The US Military (ISBN 1 84065 440 6) (an OK book, a few mistakes here and there), there's a picture of Urban BDUs in use with some Marines... Actually I'll go scan it...

... Right here it is (caption included)...

http://www.airsoftcommunity.co.uk/gallery2/albums/userpics/10133/Untitled-Scanned-01.jpg
Charlie Company Marines use a M-9 Armoured Combat Earthmover for cover as they patrol the medical area during role playing at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina.

:)

[Apogee]

isn't that the urban pattern, and why would you need a snow pattern for anyway, i mean a plain white IMO would work the best.

Germany have a snow pattern, http://www.britnett.net/kws/listings/132.html

That def isn't new

[Chris O`Crooh]

IMHO so-called "Urban camo" in white/grey/black is in fact "Winter Woodland camo".

White colour attracts enemy`s sight, especially while you`re moving. Moreover, it distincts you in darkness.

I`d rather like to wear plain grey (dark grey) uniform, or grey/dark grey/black camo during FIBUA...

[Deuterium]

The best winter camo depends on the terrain. In the tree-line, standard wood-land camo works great. In fact during movement wearing winter camo bottoms actually makes it easier for the enemy to spot you. We usually only wear the tops(overwhites). Above the tree-line it depends on the the amount of exposed rock. Its usually a safe bet to stick to the overwhites but, once again, woodland still can work.

[Royal]

Wouldn't an all black uniform be best in Urban? That's what the British SAS seems to use for urban operations....

The seige of the Iranian Embassy in London (1980)
http://www.hkpro.com/image/action2saswindow.jpg

Don't know where you got the photo, but Op Nimrod it ain't - for one the Embassy building was/is white painted rendered brick, but more importantly the 'trooper' is wearing an S10 Respirator - which wasn't invented in 1980. ;)

[Smintjes]

It's indeed a training pic. This is Nimrod:

http://www.the-sas-uk.com/op2.jpg

[Dalleer]

http://www.airsoftcommunity.co.uk/gallery2/albums/userpics/10133/Untitled-Scanned-01.jpg

Right, so now I've seen a pic featuring the infamous "Urban camo".

[ChuckThunder]

Yeah actually I did that when I was like 13, haha, and got this letter like "We're sorry but you're too young, just do well in school and stay off drugs!"

I'm probably going to end up doing DEP and going to boot the summer I turn 17, hopefully.

Geez, why don't you try to go the the Academy? 17, you wouldn't even finish high school.

[...]

Here a pic of the experimental camo the Marines tried out.
http://www.specialoperations.com/Focus/Regional/Urban/urban.jpg

[Seoulstriker]

Here a pic of the experimental camo the Marines tried out.
http://www.specialoperations.com/Focus/Regional/Urban/urban.jpg

very bad idea. too much of a solid color is always a bad thing.

[Ratamacue]

Geez, why don't you try to go the the Academy? 17, you wouldn't even finish high school.

One option that you can do is go to basic inbetween your junior and senior years. After you finish your senior year, you go active duty.

[USMarine3521]

Geez, why don't you try to go the the Academy? 17, you wouldn't even finish high school.

One option that you can do is go to basic inbetween your junior and senior years. After you finish your senior year, you go active duty.

i think that is NG, USMC basic is too long to do something like that; you would definetely miss some school and they are pretty strict about that.

[BT_Recon]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/us_marines_in_liberia/abf.jpg

haha look at the poor bastard with the M82.... its almost as tall as him, poor fella.. He would'nt enjoy ops with that im guessing.

[Ratamacue]

One option that you can do is go to basic inbetween your junior and senior years. After you finish your senior year, you go active duty.

i think that is NG, USMC basic is too long to do something like that; you would definetely miss some school and they are pretty strict about that.

That may be situation-dependent. If I wanted to at the moment, I have enough credits to graduate at the end of junior year, which means that I can either do that, or I can maybe pull something off like taking a very cushy senior year with no classes 1st semester or something like that (block scheduling rules). That would probably be something I'd have to arrange with my recruiter and school though.

Recon: yeah, I thought that was pretty funny too, though it seems to me that he's probably just hunched forward. I don't think they allow midgets to join the military. ;)

[USMarine3521]

One option that you can do is go to basic inbetween your junior and senior years. After you finish your senior year, you go active duty.

i think that is NG, USMC basic is too long to do something like that; you would definetely miss some school and they are pretty strict about that.

That may be situation-dependent. If I wanted to at the moment, I have enough credits to graduate at the end of junior year, which means that I can either do that, or I can maybe pull something off like taking a very cushy senior year with no classes 1st semester or something like that (block scheduling rules). That would probably be something I'd have to arrange with my recruiter and school though.

Recon: yeah, I thought that was pretty funny too, though it seems to me that he's probably just hunched forward. I don't think they allow midgets to join the military. ;)

ahh I see I thought it was some type on program they have going and yes that dude looks like he's hunched forward. ;)

Is this the official urban camo for the USMC?

http://www.hyperstealth.com/MARPAT-Urban-Standard.jpg

[Ratamacue]

That's a design they made but have no plans of adopting.

Woodland Marpat
http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sites/mcub/utility/improvements/media/camo_wood.gif

Wouldn't this be a more effective camo for tropical terrain like in the Carribean or Souther America?

[96B]

USMarineDEP wrote:

yes, the PT's are hard over here, they made it so the PT's we do here are a lot harder than the ones you do in boot camp so if I were to go to boot I can say to myself "damn gunny's PT were way harder than this", its to give some extra confidence for boot.

Out of curiosity, what PT do you do that is "way harder" than that of recruit training? Also, before you ship out, shave your head and wear a Marine t-shirt. Once you start your training process, tell your DI that your DEP PT was much harder and finally, write and enlighten us on the consequences of those actions. ;)