Awesome Spetsnaz!!!!

[4nzix]

http://russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery95/IMG_0025.jpg
http://russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery96/photo_preview6.jpg
http://www.spetsnaz.com.br/imagens/training.jpg
http://www.spetsnaz.com.br/imagens/omon_6.jpg
http://www.spetsnaz.com.br/imagens/omon_9.jpg
http://www.spetsnaz.com.br/imagens/omon_18.jpg
http://www.spetsnaz.com.br/imagens/omon_36.jpg
http://www.spetsnaz.com.br/imagens/omon_31.jpg
http://www.spetsnaz.com.br/imagens/omon_38.jpg
http://www.spetsnaz.com.br/imagens/omon_42.jpg
http://www.halflifegalaxy.com/images/spetsnaz1.jpg
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Russian_Interior_Ministry_Special_Forces/rimsf1.jpg
http://www.thecombatstore.co.uk/gallery/galleryrussian2_files/russa7.jpg
http://students.engr.scu.edu/~jabraham/specwar/specops/russia/omon/omongroupgrey.jpg

The best at what they do in the world. I'm convinced...

[4nzix]

Various:
http://students.engr.scu.edu/~jabraham/specwar/specops/russia/omon/omongroupgrey.jpg
http://www.tassphoto.com/images/photo/2/d89/341.JPG
http://img166.exs.cx/img166/9563/omon_2.jpg
http://img174.exs.cx/img174/1198/omon.jpg
http://img174.exs.cx/img174/1198/omon.jpg
http://www.tassphoto.com/images/photo/2/d190/651.JPG
http://www.magnumphotos.com/LowRes2/TR3/S/R/X/9/PAR267998.jpg

[4nzix]

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1149723.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA01B60A3C043919FB7A359D1683B4A73
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1149728.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA01B60A3C043919FFEC2E6749A8BF4D6
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1149763.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA01B60A3C043919FDA18CC604034FF77
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1149759.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA01B60A3C043919F493B8004478CF966
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/677580.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA1F1341D545C1DA702D2F87637210EE4
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/807811.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DE542259E35DAA1AEE442F5DBB9B6EE89D
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/807823.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DE461E8A2BC779049933DEBDD572506016

[Onyks]

Great pictures, very impressive too!

[4nzix]

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166a.jpg
http://www.nato.int/sfor/humanitarian/russians-day/phot3.jpg

[TacoDelRio]

The best at what they do in the world. I'm convinced...

What do they do?

J/K ;)

Good pics. Got any of them in combat? Or do they not bring along cameramen (good idea)?

[Death Touch]

Great pics! Just wish they'd move away from some of that Karate stuff..... :roll:

[Panzer laid]

I remember watching one video about how tough they are !

these soldiers make a line and break bottle with their head !! ( quite uselful when u can't find an opener !

so my mom ask " how do u know they are not fake ? " ( there are beer bottle made of sugar for movie )

Before I say anything ! A young soldier ( probably new ) tried to break his bottle and failed ! then attempt to do it again 3 times he cut his head and blood start pouring ! finally he broke it after blood cover on his face ;)


mom say no more ! probably glad I don't speak Russian

[RGRBOX]

Excellent pics...

[Shiftyfive]

The best at what they do in the world. I'm convinced...


yes, you have much to fear if your a brick living in Russia :D


http://img114.exs.cx/img114/2859/phot33dz.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Scagel]

http://img224.exs.cx/img224/9651/rimsf15bx.jpg

[CQB_Operator]

http://img224.exs.cx/img224/9651/rimsf15bx.jpg
rofl rofl rofl

[Schattengestalt]

http://www.tassphoto.com/images/photo/2/d89/341.JPG

Russian variant of the Malboro-Man? rofl

[Misanthrope]

Can a Russian (or somebody familiar with the subject) give a rundown of the various types of Spetsnaz and what they do?

I know:

VDV = Airborne
The GRU has some units that I'm not terribly clear about
Alpha = Anti-terrorism (I think?)

What else is there?

What about SOBR and OMON? I've never been terribly clear about what their role in things is. Some of what I've read suggests that OMON is more of a SWAT team than military spec ops group.

[<Gypsum Fantastic>]

http://www.thecombatstore.co.uk/gallery/galleryrussian2_files/russa7.jpg

George Bush is in Spetznaz?

[CMEPTb]

Can a Russian (or somebody familiar with the subject) give a rundown of the various types of Spetsnaz and what they do?

I know:

VDV = Airborne
The GRU has some units that I'm not terribly clear about
Alpha = Anti-terrorism (I think?)

What else is there?

What about SOBR and OMON? I've never been terribly clear about what their role in things is. Some of what I've read suggests that OMON is more of a SWAT team than military spec ops group.

GRU is/was military intelligence....I think SOBR was a quick reaction group, VDV is airborn, Alpha/Vympel are anti-terrorist, OMON is similar to SWAT but I think they are closer to a paramilitary force

For more info, check here:
http://www.specialoperations.com/ and http://www.specwarnet.com/

[General Zod]

http://www.thecombatstore.co.uk/gallery/galleryrussian2_files/russa7.jpg

George Bush is in Spetznaz?

Similar eyes, but I don't think baby Bush has the required intelligence level for Spetsnaz. :P

[supercontra]

http://www.thecombatstore.co.uk/gallery/galleryrussian2_files/russa7.jpg

Can someone ID this gun, thx

[rister]

Beslan: was that Spetsnaz as well.............karate and brickbreaking didn't help much there, probably broke too many bottles on their heads.
:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

[zealot]

http://www.thecombatstore.co.uk/gallery/galleryrussian2_files/russa7.jpg

Can someone ID this gun, thx

AS 'Val' silenced assault rifle
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as_val.jpg

Caliber: 9x39 mm (SP-6, PAB-9)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt with 6 lugs
Length: 875 / 615 mm (stock open / folded)
Barrel length: 200 mm
Effective range: about 300 meters with open sights
Weight: 2,96 kg empty
Rate of fire: 800 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 10 or 20 rounds

The AS "Val" (Avtomat Spetsialnij = special assault rifle) was developed by TSNIITOCHMASH under the leadership of P. Serdjukov during the late 1980s, as a part of the 9 x 39 family of silenced weapons for Soviet Special Forces. Its design is similar to one of VSS "Vintorez" sniper rifle, and differs only in the design of the buttstock and pistol grip. AS is widely used by Russian Army recon units, as well as by MVD (Internal Affairs Ministry) and FSB (Federal Security Bureau) Special Forces.
The AS is a gas operated, integrally silenced weapon. The receiver is machined from steel forging for added strength. The long stroke gas piston is located above the barrel, and rigidly attached to the bolt carrier. The rotating bolt has six lugs and locks into the receiver. The front part of the barrel, ahead of the gas port, has several sets of holes, drilled at the bottom of the rifling grooves. These holes are used to bleed some of the gun gas into the integral silencer. The trigger unit is somewhat similar to that of the Czech-made Sa. Vz.58 assault rifle, and the gun is striker-fired. The safety lever is similar to the one found on all Kalashnikov-type rifles, but the fire mode selector is a separate cross-bolt type button, located within the trigger guard, just behind the trigger. The open sights are graduated up to 400 meters in 25 meter increments, but the actual effective range is about 200-300 meters due to the rainbow-shaped trajectory of the heavy subsonic bullets. The AS is optimized for high performance armor piercing 9x39mm ammunition, designated as SP-6 or PAB-9, but can also fire "ball" type SP-5 ammunition, intended for VSS sniper rifles. The pistol grip and the short forearm are made from polymer, the skeletonized, side-folding buttstock is made from steel tubing. The AS rifle has a standard side-mounted rail for optical, night vision or red dot scopes. It has no provision for mounting a bayonet or a grenade launcher. The integral silencer could be easily detached for maintenance, repair, or compact storage, but the rifle cannot be fired with the silencer removed due to safety and reliability issues.

[futurepilot2004]

http://img224.exs.cx/img224/9651/rimsf15bx.jpg
rofl rofl rofl

x2 :lol:

[CG51]

sweet pics man...

[sierraone]

Do they actually practice combat Sambo or Systema?

[rister]

Samba, Rumba and Cha Cha Cha

[alexjulian]

If they the best at what they do why is it taking them so long to "sort out" chechnya?

[Onyks]

eh, would've started something. :roll:

[Resurrection]

If they the best at what they do why is it taking them so long to "sort out" chechnya?

Nice flamebait. :|

[bloddyaxe]

If they the best at what they do why is it taking them so long to "sort out" chechnya?

They have problems with their mothers in law, thats why!

[Lokos]

Alexjulian:

Bad monkey!

Eat your banana.

Lokos

[V0rkutinetz]

If they the best at what they do why is it taking them so long to "sort out" chechnya?trolling are we????

[RomanS]

may I remind you all again
DO NOT REPLY TO IDIOTS
thanks for pics

I see some from our site

:P

[TheBelgian]

If they the best at what they do why is it taking them so long to "sort out" chechnya?

If the SAS is so great then why is it taking them so long to pacify Iraq? Nice question, jackass.

[twominds]

Could someone please explain the point of the whacking eachother with a sledgehammer excercise?

[v-twin]

Looks cool, shows their "strenght"

[twominds]

To me it looks a bit disturbing... You want your soldiers to be aggressive and confident, but not nuts don`t you? I don`t care how strong you are, that`s gonna leave at least a rash from the rusty sledgehammer! :lol:
Just seems a bit odd to me...

[RomanS]

To me it looks a bit disturbing... You want your soldiers to be aggressive and confident, but not nuts don`t you? I don`t care how strong you are, that`s gonna leave at least a rash from the rusty sledgehammer! :lol:
Just seems a bit odd to me...
Nobody understands Russians, but Russians themselves

Its our culture

[twominds]

That might be true, but as diverse as Russia is, there are quite a few cultures to understand within russia making it even more complicated.. Just out of curiousity, how old were you when you left russia? I have a friend in the states that left the Ukraine when he was about five and had some hillarious stories about having to play kickball with all the other kids without speaking a word of english and wearing pink barbie shoes he had inherited.. rofl

[Azide]

That might be true, but as diverse as Russia is, there are quite a few cultures to understand within russia making it even more complicated.. Just out of curiousity, how old were you when you left russia? I have a friend in the states that left the Ukraine when he was about five and had some hillarious stories about having to play kickball with all the other kids without speaking a word of english and wearing pink barbie shoes he had inherited.. rofl

rofl got stories like that as well...

[twominds]

The end of it being that he ran the wrong way around the bases, having no clue as to the rules of the game... rofl
And then there`s the one about his Ukranian parents that ran a pizzaplace.. Just imagine a deep dish Kiew style.,. rofl
It was funny to listen to all the stories, especially since I was a foreigner there as well, although not an immigrant we still shared some experiences and views...

[RomanS]

That might be true, but as diverse as Russia is, there are quite a few cultures to understand within russia making it even more complicated.. Just out of curiousity, how old were you when you left russia? I have a friend in the states that left the Ukraine when he was about five and had some hillarious stories about having to play kickball with all the other kids without speaking a word of english and wearing pink barbie shoes he had inherited.. rofl

16 came to US for 2 years, went back to Russia in 1997 when I turned 18 trying to see if I can make it into the academy of MVD. After finding out about my illness, stayed for 6 more months, and went back to US to make video games.

went back in 2003 with my US friends, and planing on going this summer again. This time slightly closer to the "hot" area. Got some friends that are willing to show me what I always wanted to experience. So I hope it works out.

[v-twin]

Nobody understands Russians, but Russians themselves

Its our culture

This doesn't happen only in Russia. In most of the Eastern countries soldiers to this at demonstrations, because they emphasize on hand-to-hand combat as well as weapons. I don't understand why would do it though. :S

Cool pics nonetheless woot

[twominds]

So a year older than me huh? had the same issues with eyesight in my case.. applied for officer candidate school last summer, but was rejected on medical issues,, :bash: So now I might be applying for the army intelligence school for their 18 month course in russian...

[RomanS]

So a year older than me huh? had the same issues with eyesight in my case.. applied for officer candidate school last summer, but was rejected on medical issues,, :bash: So now I might be applying for the army intelligence school for their 18 month course in russian...

yeah, my vision was perfect back than.
Everything seemed good untill the blood test. When they said I have type 2 diabetes, and that I would require extra attention, the dream of becoming part of MVD went down. BUMMER

Now my vision is getting worse and worse. Even with insulin.
Take care of your health guys! DONT MESS WITH IT

[twominds]

I`ve seen a bunch of the renders you`ve put up here, so I know that you`re involved with FPS games and mostly Eastern block type weapons, but is it stand alone games or mods that you do? if so what games/mods for what games is it?

[RomanS]

I`ve seen a bunch of the renders you`ve put up here, so I know that you`re involved with FPS games and mostly Eastern block type weapons, but is it stand alone games or mods that you do? if so what games/mods for what games is it?

its not mods

But the rest of the information I can't release just yet.

[twominds]

So you`re on the delta equivalent of games are you? ;) All smoke and mirrors? I for one can`t wait for BF2... Good luck anyways, my best friend does 3d animation and modelling so i know the time and talent it takes to get good...

[RomanS]

So you`re on the delta equivalent of games are you? ;) All smoke and mirrors? I for one can`t wait for BF2... Good luck anyways, my best friend does 3d animation and modelling so i know the time and talent it takes to get good...
you can say its almost delta secrecy hehehe

BF2 should be sweet

[anonymous individual]

I`ve seen a bunch of the renders you`ve put up here, so I know that you`re involved with FPS games and mostly Eastern block type weapons, but is it stand alone games or mods that you do? if so what games/mods for what games is it?

its not mods

But the rest of the information I can't release just yet.
;)


To me it looks a bit disturbing... You want your soldiers to be aggressive and confident, but not nuts don`t you? I don`t care how strong you are, that`s gonna leave at least a rash from the rusty sledgehammer! Laughing
Just seems a bit odd to me...
That kind of act is for display only.

-----
For all you army hopeful, please take care of your body, especially your eyes in my opinion. Otherwise you will end up coming me.

[twominds]

End up coming me?? what does that mean? All i can do unfortunately is laser surgery since i was born with my defect.. and it`s questionable if that will work.. oh well, getting to old to join soon anyways...

[RGRBOX]

http://www.thecombatstore.co.uk/gallery/galleryrussian2_files/russa7.jpg

George Bush is in Spetznaz?

No ****... That's why Putin loves him sooo much....

[Laworkerbee]

I'm glad the Cold War is over so we can all enjoy these pictures

[RGRBOX]

I'm glad the Cold War is over so we can all enjoy these pictures

I have to agree with you on this one...

[Iron]

sweet pics

[4nzix]

From various threads:

http://img84.exs.cx/img84/5710/fsb16ns.jpg
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/5224/fsb23lx.jpg
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/5224/fsb23lx.jpg
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3021/fsb37le.jpg
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/1890/fsb46bt.jpg
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/1890/fsb46bt.jpg
http://www1.newsteam.ru/images/2004/211_14.JPG
http://www1.newsteam.ru/images/2004/211_16.JPG
http://img3.exs.cx/img3/7993/467copy.jpg
http://img3.exs.cx/img3/2628/bw6-bigcopy.jpg
http://img3.exs.cx/img3/5487/budni_3_PICT0576copy.jpg


One of the Best military photos EVER, from www.russianarms.info:
http://russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery9/photo%20053.jpg

[sierraone]

http://www.erwinspages.bewoner.antwerpen.be/epc/epcabout/paul2.jpg

:lol:

[MEGR]

4nzix and Roman post the best Russian pics on this site.

What machinegun are the Russians using now in units like the Spetznaz?

[VaLiancY]

^ I would like to know also. How are the Pechengs(sp) reliabilty?

[nagant_m44]

^ I would like to know also. How are the Pechengs(sp) reliabilty?

Its very reliable. Im not sure, but i think its the next evolution of the PK machine gun. It IS a Russian weapon after all, so that should tell you right there :D

[Rishon]

If they the best at what they do why is it taking them so long to "sort out" chechnya?

If the SAS is so great then why is it taking them so long to pacify Iraq? Nice question, jackass. Problems with Mother-in-law's. (This should now be the universal answer.)

[shadower]

http://kusa.guns.ru/images/girl_with_junker-sm.jpg

[oregongrunt]

That has to hurt.
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg

[Azide]

That has to hurt.
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg

If you took physics 101 you should know it wouldn't. Large surface area... ;)

[Shiftyfive]

That has to hurt.
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg

If you took physics 101 you should know it wouldn't. Large surface area... ;)

Reminds me of an act of I saw at the circus - do they lay on beds of nails to show how tough they are too?

[4nzix]

I can vouch for the fact that the grueling test to become a member of the Spetsnatz are harder than any other special forces units in the world.

Especially for some of their more popular units like Omon, Vympel, Red Berets....

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

I can vouch for the fact that the grueling test to become a member of the Spetsnatz are harder than any other special forces units in the world.

Especially for some of their more popular units like Omon, Vympel, Red Berets....

Why you try out for every SF unit in the world :cantbeli: :roll:

[4nzix]

Nope, just aware of the way different units treat their recruits.

[Shiftyfive]

I can vouch for the fact that the grueling test to become a member of the Spetsnatz are harder than any other special forces units in the world.

Especially for some of their more popular units like Omon, Vympel, Red Berets....

ok sure :roll: rofl

[4nzix]

some pics From guys at www.russianarms.info Vlad and Roman
http://russianarms.info/1/139.JPG
http://russianarms.info/1/703.JPG
http://russianarms.info/1/706.JPG
http://russianarms.info/1/7.jpg
http://www.bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Specnaz/IMG_0034.jpg
http://www.bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Specnaz/IMG_0185.jpg
http://www.bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Specnaz/IMG_0189.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/6503/489copy.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5747/boycy42copy.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/4960/boycy67copy.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/1139/boycycopy.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/354/SOG-SPETSNAZ-4copy.jpg
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/7672/03copy.jpg
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/5008/7732.jpg
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/5679/7734.jpg
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/7014/7730.jpg
http://www.m-stadion.ru/images/photo/nom3/sobr_1.gif
http://www.m-stadion.ru/images/photo/nom3/sobr_5.gif
http://img58.exs.cx/img58/2305/7817.jpg
http://russianarms.info/rost2004/images/4/photo%20408.jpg
http://russianarms.info/rost2004/images/6/photo%20268_2.jpg
http://russianarms.info/rost2004/images/4/photo%20359.jpg

[RomanS]

That has to hurt.
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg

If you took physics 101 you should know it wouldn't. Large surface area... ;)

Reminds me of an act of I saw at the circus - do they lay on beds of nails to show how tough they are too?

How much money would you take, to tell them in their face.

Because I think right now you are **** talking troll, you know the kind of alway "talks talks talks talks talks talks" and never shuts the fuk up.
But in reality just a little cockshelf

With that in mind, I'll pay for your plane ticket, and will arange a meeting with similar team. Everyone here is a witness, and Im willing to pay for the ticket to Russia.

Going? or just shuting the fuk up like a little prostitue on her first night of work.

[EvanL]

That has to hurt.
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg

If you took physics 101 you should know it wouldn't. Large surface area... ;)

Reminds me of an act of I saw at the circus - do they lay on beds of nails to show how tough they are too?

How much money would you take, to tell them in their face.

Because I think right now you are **** talking troll, you know the kind of alway "talks talks talks talks talks talks" and never shuts the fuk up.
But in reality just a little cockshelf

With that in mind, I'll pay for your plane ticket, and will arange a meeting with similar team. Everyone here is a witness, and Im willing to pay for the ticket to Russia.

Going? or just shuting the fuk up like a little prostitue on her first night of work.
How much money would you take to tell one of them face to face that you posed as one of them on an internet message board? p-)

[Shiftyfive]

That has to hurt.
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg

If you took physics 101 you should know it wouldn't. Large surface area... ;)

Reminds me of an act of I saw at the circus - do they lay on beds of nails to show how tough they are too?

How much money would you take, to tell them in their face.

Because I think right now you are **** talking troll, you know the kind of alway "talks talks talks talks talks talks" and never shuts the fuk up.
But in reality just a little cockshelf

With that in mind, I'll pay for your plane ticket, and will arange a meeting with similar team. Everyone here is a witness, and Im willing to pay for the ticket to Russia.

Going? or just shuting the fuk up like a little prostitue on her first night of work.

rofl Roman I noticed you said your coming back to the states - good for you. ;)

[Shiftyfive]

That has to hurt.
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/113/s113p06a/b0105166c.jpg

If you took physics 101 you should know it wouldn't. Large surface area... ;)

Reminds me of an act of I saw at the circus - do they lay on beds of nails to show how tough they are too?

How much money would you take, to tell them in their face.

Because I think right now you are **** talking troll, you know the kind of alway "talks talks talks talks talks talks" and never shuts the fuk up.
But in reality just a little cockshelf

With that in mind, I'll pay for your plane ticket, and will arange a meeting with similar team. Everyone here is a witness, and Im willing to pay for the ticket to Russia.

Going? or just shuting the fuk up like a little prostitue on her first night of work.
How much money would you take to tell one of them face to face that you posed as one of them on an internet message board? p-)

rofl now thats funny

[4nzix]

I'd like to see any pussy who said that doesnt hurt, just lie like that in between 2 people, and just put that block on top of them. Without being hit by the hammer.

[RomanS]

Shifty
I got the point

thats all i needed ...
;)

[Shiftyfive]

Speaking of prostitutes, my little bro just came back from Iraq and was telling me about these russian female civilians who worked on his base. He said if you went to the counter and asked for "fresh apples" you would be given a time to meet one of them for "fresh apples". I asked him how they looked and he said - "well a few were not so ugly, but he would never be that desperate".

[4nzix]

Hey Shiftyfive, would you shut the **** up you dumb worthless piece of ****.


This is a Photos Forum, not prove how stupid you can be forum.

[Shiftyfive]

Hey Shiftyfive, would you shut the f*** up you dumb worthless piece of ****.


This is a Photos Forum, not prove how stupid you can be forum.

lol can you "vouch" for that rofl

[RomanS]

Speaking of prostitutes, my little bro just came back from Iraq and was telling me about these russian female civilians who worked on his base. He said if you went to the counter and asked for "fresh apples" you would be given a time to meet one of them for "fresh apples". I asked him how they looked and he said - "well a few were not so ugly, but he would never be that desperate".

Damn you...

the cell of my feelings just got killed. It hurts...

Oh **** another one grew, "GIVE A **** METER" is still readin big fat zero.

TRY AGAIN

[Shiftyfive]

Speaking of prostitutes, my little bro just came back from Iraq and was telling me about these russian female civilians who worked on his base. He said if you went to the counter and asked for "fresh apples" you would be given a time to meet one of them for "fresh apples". I asked him how they looked and he said - "well a few were not so ugly, but he would never be that desperate".

Damn you...

the cell of my feelings just got killed. It hurts...

Oh **** another one grew, "GIVE A **** METER" is still readin big fat zero.

TRY AGAIN

I like how you use those American euphimisims - keep up the good work ;)

[RomanS]

Speaking of prostitutes, my little bro just came back from Iraq and was telling me about these russian female civilians who worked on his base. He said if you went to the counter and asked for "fresh apples" you would be given a time to meet one of them for "fresh apples". I asked him how they looked and he said - "well a few were not so ugly, but he would never be that desperate".

Damn you...

the cell of my feelings just got killed. It hurts...

Oh **** another one grew, "GIVE A **** METER" is still readin big fat zero.

TRY AGAIN

I like how you use those American euphimisims - keep up the good work ;)

8.9

you getting warmer

[Shiftyfive]

oh come on that was at least a 9.2

so tell me Roman why would you have any need to leave mother Russia and come to the US?

[4nzix]

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"Unfortunately it appears that rescuing hostages came second in priority to killing terrorists "

"Spetsnaz commandos have a reputation for ruthlessness"


Dr Mark Galleoti BBC

[RomanS]

oh come on that was at least a 9.2

so tell me Roman why would you have any need to leave mother Russia and come to the US?

Because video game development happens to be behind there. But its getting better. Just look at the Combat Flight Sims coming out.

But when I was 16 my mom married an American in Moscow.

had no choice

dont feel bad about it

WHY... LA MIGRA????????

[Shiftyfive]

oh come on that was at least a 9.2

so tell me Roman why would you have any need to leave mother Russia and come to the US?

Because video game development happens to be behind there. But its getting better. Just look at the Combat Flight Sims coming out.

But when I was 16 my mom married an American in Moscow.

had no choice

dont feel bad about it

WHY... LA MIGRA????????

Sounds like you mom had good taste. Yeah I can see you having to come here looking for work, makes sense.

[4nzix]

Roman, just put him on ignore.

[RomanS]

oh come on that was at least a 9.2

so tell me Roman why would you have any need to leave mother Russia and come to the US?

Because video game development happens to be behind there. But its getting better. Just look at the Combat Flight Sims coming out.

But when I was 16 my mom married an American in Moscow.

had no choice

dont feel bad about it

WHY... LA MIGRA????????

Sounds like you mom had good taste. Yeah I can see you having to come here looking for work, makes sense.

haha Russia broke hahaha

Comeone Shifty, its getting better. And if you're trying hard, it won't work. I love both places. Almost equally. But that 1% still goes to where I was born. You should understand why.

I have the best of both to my exposure

[4nzix]

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[Shiftyfive]

Russia broke is not funny - they had a hard enough time maintaining the saftey of their NBC weapons and different nuclear powerplant assemblies when they were considered a super power let alone the hard currency strapped nation they are today. No a broke Russia is almost a scary as the Communist Russia.

[v-twin]

The guys look really cool and they undergo tough training, but they'd do more good on a battlefield rather than a hostage takedown or simmilar conditions IMHO. Just look at the latest incidents. :(

Shifty, you're a moron.

[Shiftyfive]

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/intl/article/0,9171,1107990308-21904-1,00.html

A Sinister Force
Once they embodied Soviet power, now the Spetsnaz elite troops reflect Russia's dangerous chaos



Monday, Mar. 08, 1999
When Alexei reads about a sensational contract killing--the opposition deputy Galina Starovoitova gunned down on the stairs of her apartment building last November; the St. Petersburg politician Mikhail Manevich hit five times at long range as his car sped down a busy street in August 1997; or the mafia leader felled by a sniper's single bullet as he left a steam bath--he has an eerie feeling. He wonders if he trained the hit man. At times, he says, he imagines himself sitting next to the killer, checking his technique as he carries out the hit. Alexei--a pseudonym--is still in his 30s and was an officer in the Spetsnaz, the secret Russian special forces units modeled on the U.S. Delta Force or the British SAS. When it comes to killing, Alexei knows of what he speaks: he was a specialist in the "physical elimination" of adversaries.

Highly classified and highly trained, the Spetsnaz once epitomized the menace and power of the Soviet state. The Alfa group specialized in counter terrorism, Vityaz (knight) in hostage rescue, Vympel (pennant) in sabotage behind NATO lines. Now, like the rest of the Russian armed forces, the special forces are in crisis--demoralized, neglected and underpaid. Unlike most Russian soldiers, though, the Spetsnaz have salable skills. They are snipers, explosives and communications specialists, experts in close combat and surveillance, trained to be cool under extreme pressure and to think for themselves. In today's Russian marketplace that makes them perfect bodyguards and perfect killers. Many veterans have found well-paid work in private security companies or protecting prominent public figures. Many serving officers are moonlighting to make ends meet. And a small but significant minority of retired and active-duty Spetsnaz have, according to their colleagues, disappeared into the criminal underworld.

The decline of the Spetsnaz--and the way the public's perception of them has swung from adulation to cynicism--is a telling illustration of the way Russia has lost its bearings, its hopes for the future and its ideals. An elite like the Spetsnaz was held together by a belief in the system, some half a dozen or so soldiers interviewed by TIME recall. No longer. "I swore allegiance to Russia," says Alexei. "I don't identify the present regime with Russia," he said. Birch trees, perhaps, the dissident physicist Andrei Sakharov or Peter the Great. "But not these people." Many feel equally alienated from their own corrupt commanders. A conversation with Sergei, a Spetsnaz NCO, frequently drifted off into descriptions of how senior officers were stealing the funds for soldiers' upkeep or even the barracks provided for them. Ivan, a former senior officer who was injured in Chechnya, explained that he could not obtain a disability pension because he did not have the several thousand dollars for the bribe that a military medical commission demanded to process his application.

Equally striking is the way that the public's view of the Spetsnaz has changed. Ten years ago they were regarded as the country's secret weapon, the men who had overthrown the President of Afghanistan in his own palace and who would strike deep inside Western Europe if a new world war broke out. This has changed. Last year's most popular video in Russia was Schizophrenia. An unremittingly bleak portrayal of modern Russia, it tells the story of a Spetsnaz-type officer who was framed by the security police and then forced to assassinate a banker who planned to run against the incumbent President. The murder takes place and the officer is then himself eliminated by state security thugs. Many Russians would find the film plausible. Over the past year, for example, a number of current and former Spetsnaz officers from the Russian Airborne forces have been arrested in connection with the 1994 murder of Dmitri Kholodov, an investigative journalist killed by a ****y-trapped briefcase while he was working on a story about high-level military corruption

Spetsnaz soldiers hire themselves out to the underworld in less dramatic ways as well, Alexei says. "Say a crime boss is planning a confrontation with a rival," he explains. "He phones his Spetsnaz contact and asks for four to five guys. They take time off from their units, and stand behind the boss, fully armed, while he talks to his rival. The other side sees they are serious kids, and is impressed." For a couple of hours' work they make $200 each, Alexei says. If there is any shooting, their fee goes up to $500. This is more than a year's official salary for an experienced NCO, who officially makes about $30 a month.

Wretched salaries are not the only source of demoralization. Living conditions would provoke a mutiny in many countries. Sergei, the Spetsnaz NCO, lives in a slum. Officially called NCO married quarters, his single room measures 1.5 m by 2.5 m and he lives there with his wife and daughter. Ten families share a rat-infested kitchen and a single toilet whose walls are rotting with damp. Sergei does not wear his uniform when he goes into the city--civilians view soldiers as losers, he says.

Yet when he first joined the Spetsnaz he felt great pride in the accomplishment. In those days it was rare to be recruited for the Spetsnaz and even harder to qualify. Spetsnaz veterans across the country acted as informal talent scouts, identifying promising soldiers for their old units. The recruits were fit and tough, and sometimes edging dangerously close to trouble with the law. "The saying used to be," Ivan recalled, "that you either went into the Spetsnaz or into prison." They had something else in common, veterans say: though often unsophisticated, they were usually very bright. Volodya, a well-educated officer who commanded a Spetsnaz unit, remembers his men as "some of the most intelligent people I have ever known."

The training was brutal, and still culminates in a session of unarmed combat that would probably be banned in any Western army. The recruit must hold out for 12 minutes against three or four successive assailants, all qualified Spetsnaz soldiers. "Basically they try to kill you," says Alexei. Occasionally they succeed, and soldiers frequently end up hospitalized after the sessions. These days, though, when the battered but exhilarated survivors receive their maroon berets, they sometimes get something extra. Shady-looking civilians, there with the blessing of senior officers and eager to meet the graduates, have been seen handing out envelopes of money. For many Spetsnaz vets, such scenes point to the heart of the matter: in their view the Spetsnaz-turned-mafia hit man is less to blame than the corrupt state that has left its special forces to rot.

[4nzix]

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[Shiftyfive]

Not going to post the whole essay its pretty large
you can read the whole essay here

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/FMSOPUBS/issues/mafia.htm






MAFIA IN UNIFORM: THE CRIMINALIZATION OF THE RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES
by Dr. Graham H. Turbiville, JR.
Foreign Military Studies Office, Fort Leavenworth, KS.


CONTRACT KILLING AND THE MILITARY
The murder of Dmitriy Kholodov focused public and official attention on the prospect that members of the military--including the most senior members--may have been behind the reporter's death. Initially, then-Deputy Minister of Defense Matvey Burlakov and even Minister of Defense Pavel Grachev were spotlighted in this regard, owing to the harsh indictments of corruption and malfeasance Kholodov had directed at them and Russian military criminality generally. In an extraordinary interview in October 1994, Grachev denied any personal involvement; referred rather implausibly to "Dima Kholodov" as a young man he "would have been proud to have as a son"; asserted that Kholodov knew no real secrets in any case; and stressed that the GRU (Main Intelligence Directorate) would have done the job much more professionally.(138) The GRU had been charged in some reports as a participant, a charge they heatedly denied.(139) Major General of Justice Aleksandr Dukhanin, on his part, suggested that foreign special services may have committed the crime, while a January 1995 Izvestiya report asserted that the then-Federal Counter-Intelligence Service (FSK) had determined the murderer to be a paratrooper assigned to a regiment since deployed to Chechnya.(140) No officially endorsed version or suspect has been proffered. Whatever the truth, however, unbounded speculation and the lusterless performance of official spokesmen have dragged the military more prominently into yet another of Russia's criminal endeavors--"contract killing."

The phenomena of "contract killings," which began to appear in Russia during the early 1990s, has now become well enough established to constitute a special category of crime. Targets for such killings have ranged from rival criminal leaders to the new classes of businessmen, entrepreneurs, financiers, and bankers whose activities bring them into confrontations with aggressive competitors or professional organized crime gangs.(141) As noted earlier, serving officers have been murdered as well, usually for reasons that publicly, at least, remain obscure. Pavel Grachev was mentioned as a potential assassination target in November 1994. According to Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Terkov, the Chairman of the Union of Officers, the planned killing by unnamed plotters was to be blamed falsely on his organization which had been highly critical of the "present corrupt leadership of the Defense Ministry."(142)

According to official Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) figures, there were some 65 contract killings of various types in Moscow in 1993. In the first eight months of 1994, some 50 Russian businessmen had been killed in Moscow alone. For 1994 overall, the new Federal Security Service (FSB) reported that 562 contract killings had taken place in Russia compared to 102 in 1992.(143) The contract murder of the widely popular Moscow television personality and Ostankino State Television and Radio Company director, Vladislav Listyev, on 1 March 1995, and the subsequent killing of the vice-president of the Yugorsky Bank on 11 April 1995, continue to define an environment where the lives of prominent and obscure individuals are in daily jeopardy.(144) In mid-1994, the Moscow Procurator's office indicated that only some 15-20 out of every one hundred murders are solved, and in the case of highly visible targets of contract killings, not a single case had been solved.(145) This latter record has held through at least March 1995.(146) In a bleak assessment in April 1995, Russian law enforcement officials suggested that without serious law enforcement reform such killings could double in number every year.(147)

The pool of "professional" contract killers has been postulated to include "the numerous semi-legal professional boxing leagues,' the Afghan war veterans, the OMON riot police, ex-KGB and Interior Ministry officers....", among others.(148) Well before the Kholodov murder, some recruited killers were believed to come from the active or retired ranks of the Armed Forces. Citing MVD sources, a Russian journalist who has for some years specialized in Russian organized crime laid out an elaborate four-tier classification system for hired assassins who he assesses largely "grew out of the Army greatcoat."(149) At the top of the hierarchy are so-called "lone superkillers" employed against the most important targets and drawn from the ranks of former GRU or KGB First Main Directorate (now the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service) specialists.(150) These reports--even when directly from official sources--seem highly fanciful, though many well-documented dimensions of Russian organized crime and the past activities of security services are no less so. In any case, since contract killers are rarely caught, definitive data on the identities of this new breed of Russian criminal are not known. Organized crime's efforts to recruit active and former military personnel with such potential, and the employment of former and active duty military personnel in various other coercive criminal roles, is a focus of Army and security service concern.(151) The murder of Kholodov makes the participation of military personnel in such crimes seem at least plausible and also further fuels suspicions about the existence of "military assassins" or even some form of military "death squads."(152) The presence of so many former Russian military and security service personnel in so many other dimensions of organized crime is likely to keep such speculation fresh in the minds of the public and the media.


CRIME AND THE RUSSIAN SECURITY SERVICES
While not part of the Armed Forces, the militarized units and investigative bodies of the various Russian security and law enforcement organizations are considered here because of their central security roles, analogous missions, and interaction with the military. Security service corruption--within the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD), successor organizations to the Committee of State Security (KGB), and other security and law enforcement organizations--parallels that in the military establishment itself.

As in the Armed Forces, crime and corruption is no new development. Soviet/FSU security specialists William and Harriet Scott point to a history of far-from-official linkages established among NKVD/MVD representatives and their criminal charges in and out of the Gulag system.(153) James Reitz, whose first-hand observations and study of Soviet military and security establishments span some forty years, similarly assesses the early, central role played by Soviet prisons as the genesis of Russian criminal culture, as well as the shadowy relationships criminals established with their NKVD/MVD jailers.(154) While long-observed and understood by such Western specialists and Soviet insiders, criminal corruption in the security services became more publicly visible only in mid-1980s with a loosening of reporting under glasnost'. Since the 1990s began, thousands of MVD militia members and other security service personnel have been convicted of a broad range of crimes "including contacts with criminal organizations."(155) In addition, a number of former KGB and MVD personnel have cast their lot--or intensified their affiliation--with domestic and foreign criminal groups, who have sought them out for their contacts and specialized skills.

One 1994 appraisal by a Russian presidential analysis group pointed to an environment in which "bandit formations have informers everywhere in the militia organs, traffic police, and banks." In that same document, "Organized Crime and the Prospects of National Socialists Coming to Power in Russia," the authors judged that "the growth of organized crime which is intertwined with the Internal Affairs Ministry [MVD] organs and local executive authorities, threatens Russia's political and economic development and creates real conditions for national socialists to come to power."(156) Corruption in the security services--as with crime and corruption generally--is not only a very real and serious problem, but a highly politicized issue used for good or ill in ongoing political conflicts and struggles.

Vladimir Tsekhanov, chief of the FSK's Economic Counterintelligence Directorate in May 1994, linked the progress of Russian organized crime to the "growth of corruption in the organs of power and administration and the law enforcement system."(157) He noted in regard to the militia, that there had been "cases of betrayal of official interests, official abuses, mergers with criminal structures, illegal participation in entrepreneurial activity, and assistance in getting criminal proceedings dropped in return for bribes."(158) In April 1994, the then-FSK launched a long-term investigation into corruption in Moscow's law enforcement bodies. As of March 1995, as the investigation continues, it has reportedly turned up numerous incidents of bribe-taking in the militia, the Procurator's Office, and the courts, with bribe-givers including both lawyers and gangsters.(159) In searching the Moscow apartment of the notorious leader of the Solntsevskiy mafia, Sergey "Mikhas" Mikhaylov, FSK investigators working on the overall case, reportedly even turned up a pass into the Russian president's offices.(160)

Anecdotes illustrating corruption in the poorly paid and trained militia are legion. One consequence of inadequate police performance and protection has been the appearance of scores of private security firms, mainly staffed by former MVD, KGB/successor agency, and military personnel. More than 6,600 "private security enterprises and security services" had been registered by April 1994, with about 26,000 people licensed to conduct security and detective activities in Russia.(161) Some 140 of these firms were involved in personal protection work. However, in the first six months of that year, some 65 crimes were committed against private security personnel, while security firm employees themselves had committed 68 crimes. As one observer noted, "you have to think ten times before asking them for help."(162) This leaves Russian citizens and businesses with no good choices for law enforcement protection.

Some of the more elite or specialized security service units have been corrupted, to include MVD Militia Detachments of Special Designation (OMON) and MVD Internal Troop components.(163) According to one Russian specialist, MVD Internal Troops (now deeply involved in the Chechnya "pacification" effort), commit more crimes than they prevent.(164) Particularly notable was the Russian Main Tax Investigation Directorate (more familiarly known now as the "Tax Police") which was formed in 1992 under the Russian Federation State Tax Service.(165) The Tax Police were heavily staffed by military personnel being discharged from the Armed Forces at the start of 1993, and since have absorbed thousands of these discharged officers.(166) After receiving what seemed by any standards to be minimal, hasty training, these new law enforcement personnel were assigned the difficult and dangerous job of collecting taxes from the numerous, unregulated and hostile enterprises that comprise the Russian marketplace--many unregistered and unregulated by the state, and many controlled by criminal interests. Not surprisingly, Tax Police personnel quickly became targets of violence as well as active participants in corruption and crime.(167)

Despite improvements in training--and clear dedication and courage demonstrated by some officers--corruption is a prominent feature of Tax Police operations. According to an FSK(FSB) senior officer:


Some of these officials [Tax Police] have links with criminal structures and carry out their orders, passing to them official information and helping individual entrepreneurs to tax exemptions, receiving huge sums in return. There are cases of threats and psychological pressure against taxpayers and cases of forcing them to give bribes.(168)
Active and former security service personnel have involved themselves with legal and criminal business ventures, the distinction not always being a clear one.(169) Some assessments have judged that "the once feared KGB security police...now occupy key positions on the commodity exchanges that have sprouted all around Russia."(170) Several illustrations of security service dealings were noted earlier. Two further brief examples provide a sense of these dealings at their "higher" levels, and in particular how the clandestine financial channels of former KGB and Communist Party are being used to facilitate shady business activities.


The first example centers on Leonid Veselovsky, a former KGB officer who first surfaced prominently in international business dealings in 1993. Veselovsky, served in the KGB's First Main Directorate (foreign intelligence) in the 1970s and 1980s; with the Central Committee in 1991 as a participant in the Party's hurried attempts to conceal its assets in joint ventures; and then as a consultant to the international Swiss-based firm Seabeco AG (run by a Soviet emigre). He was named by the Russian Procuracy as a target of investigations into vanished Communist Party funds and into the nature of his subsequent, highly profitable financial dealings. Seabeco offshoots have involved a joint venture with a former Moscow police chief, and Seabeco seems also to have had a role in the creation of the Rosvooruzheniye state company.(171) The firm's Lenin Hills estate is protected by uniformed and plain clothes guards who appear to have official law enforcement identification.(172) As in so many other instances, the line between official Russia and the questionable dealings of foreign, joint venture, and domestic firms seems an indistinct one.

In a second example of security service patronage, the Most financial group--whose activities as suggested earlier seem to wind through some of the most controversial Russian commercial ventures--is heavily manned by dozens of former KGB personnel, including Filipp Bobkov, the former first deputy of KGB Chairman Vladimir Kryuchkov.(173) According to Western reporting, some 60 KGB personnel were part of the Most Group's "analytical department," and the financial group was judged to be "the biggest and most noticeable symptom of the new influence of the Chekists."(174) Most has been linked in Russian reporting to weapons exports, the military-industrial sector, media holdings, and various prominent political and economic figures.(175)

Russian requirements for cooperation with foreign law enforcement organizations have clearly increased for issues like terrorism, drug and arms trafficking, financial crimes, and other international organized criminal activity. Given the central role criminals from Russia (and the FSU) have come to occupy in Europe and beyond, foreign police similarly have a pressing need for ties with their Russian (and FSU) counterparts. As a consequence of Russian security service corruption, however, some foreign law enforcement organizations have expressed doubts about the effectiveness of this interaction. One senior police representative from the Federal Republic of Germany's Criminal Police carefully expressed this view of cooperation:


I am wary of saying this, but we believe Russia's investigative bodies are not free from corruption. This renders cooperation most difficult: there is no full confidence that the information passed over by us will not ultimately find itself in the mafia's hands.(176)

This kind of perspective--which in general is not disputed by Russian law enforcement representatives--is likely to temper the extent of cooperation with Russian security services for some time to come. But all parties emphasize the essential need for international law enforcement cooperation and mutual assistance, and the growing importance of Russia in this regard.

[Thor]

If they the best at what they do why is it taking them so long to "sort out" chechnya?

Nice flamebait. :|
You look so fine girl.. Do you have anymore pics of yourself?

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[Thor]

If they the best at what they do why is it taking them so long to "sort out" chechnya?

If the SAS is so great then why is it taking them so long to pacify Iraq? Nice question, jackass.
Iraq isn't a british province you know. If Russia sees Chechnya as a part of their country then it's a legitimate question to ask why it takes them so long to gain control. The conflict has been going on for 10+ years now.

[RGRBOX]

I can vouch for the fact that the grueling test to become a member of the Spetsnatz are harder than any other special forces units in the world.

Especially for some of their more popular units like Omon, Vympel, Red Berets....

Have you done all of the SF Schools in the world??? I just had to comit on your post... I've seen footage of some of the Spetsnaz Schools and it is some tuff ****...

[Sergei]

Nice pics, but all them have already been posted at one time or another here.
Need new pics! :lol: forget the trolls, just post new pics, thank you.

Rant off.

[twominds]

Just a quick question, why are some of the operators wearing english language special forces tabs?

[<Gypsum Fantastic>]

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Pwn3d...

I don't see the point in all this really. If you're going to do it, do it without gloves, or at least open fingered.

[balkan_boy]

Just a quick question, why are some of the operators wearing english language special forces tabs?

Because the picture was taken on an international special forces show...

[twominds]

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Pwn3d...

I don't see the point in all this really. If you're going to do it, do it without gloves, or at least open fingered.

That guy looks like he`s trying to decide which one of the two guys he sees in front of him is the real one.. :lol:
Thanks for the answer on the english patch..

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

Just a quick question, why are some of the operators wearing english language special forces tabs?

Because the picture was taken on an international special forces show...


What show is this?

[Onyks]

Still have to give him respect for taking a beating and fighting on.

[balkan_boy]

Just a quick question, why are some of the operators wearing english language special forces tabs?

Because the picture was taken on an international special forces show...


What show is this?

I don't know... but I know this because I saw it on the Internet somewhere.

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Pwn3d...

I don't see the point in all this really. If you're going to do it, do it without gloves, or at least open fingered.

You want to fight a Spetsnaz unarmed combat instructor bareknuckle?!?!?!

GOOD LUCK! ;)


It's not about being hard, it's about being sensible. British Army 'milling' is always done with pads and gloves to minimise injury. You still get the aggression and phys, but cut down on the hospital time...and still keep the 'fun'!! :D

[Azide]

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Pwn3d...

I don't see the point in all this really. If you're going to do it, do it without gloves, or at least open fingered.

You dont get the point of this... this guys is trying very hard not to be KO'ed for 9 minutes!

[nagant_m44]

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hmm i wonder if a m16/4 would work in these conditions...

[nagant_m44]

Ok shiftyfive we get your point. Everything Russian sucks, all russians are bums or criminals, Russia should kiss Americas ass. Why don't you go there and tell them that instead of showing us your hatred on the internet? Were you beaten by a Russian when you were in kindergarten or something? Your hatred is totally illogical and, quite frankly, stupid.

[<Gypsum Fantastic>]

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Pwn3d...

I don't see the point in all this really. If you're going to do it, do it without gloves, or at least open fingered.

You dont get the point of this... this guys is trying very hard not to be KO'ed for 9 minutes!

Really. Can he punch back? If not then he's just crap!

[radx]

Spetsnaz are ridiculously tough, but I have never seen a tougher selection than the Malaysian UDTs. 7.8 Kilometers in 24 minutes... Thats nuts. I have 3 yrs of track experience and like 10 yrs of swimming and I can pull off 6 minute miles- on a GOOD day, for 3-4 miles. Those guys are in human.

[Shiftyfive]

http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ce.jpg

hmm i wonder if a m16/4 would work in these conditions...

Um yeah. My little bro named his M16 the sandy bitch, he was amazed at the crap they would drag their guns thru and have them still work, and it was just the A2 version. I believe their now getting the A4 but Im not sure on that. I could post his experience when they cross trained with Russian arms and his opinion of them - but I would just get called a poopy head. :roll:

[Shiftyfive]

Ok shiftyfive we get your point. Everything Russian sucks, all russians are bums or criminals, Russia should kiss Americas ass. Why don't you go there and tell them that instead of showing us your hatred on the internet? Were you beaten by a Russian when you were in kindergarten or something? Your hatred is totally illogical and, quite frankly, stupid.

sigh :roll: nothing like putting words in mouth....

[anonymous individual]

Ok shiftyfive we get your point. Everything Russian sucks, all russians are bums or criminals, Russia should kiss Americas ass. Why don't you go there and tell them that instead of showing us your hatred on the internet? Were you beaten by a Russian when you were in kindergarten or something? Your hatred is totally illogical and, quite frankly, stupid.

sigh :roll: nothing like putting words in mouth....

Oh irony oh irony why do you have to be so cruel at your finest time? *sigh*

[Dima-RussianArms]

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/rU408462.jpg

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/OX308512.jpg

[Azide]

^ yeah im pretty sure m16 wouldn't work here :lol:

[pipaz]

thats why they give you plastic bags now a days

[Dima-RussianArms]

As we all know a well maintained and regulary cleaned M 16 series never jams, at least in the world of the "OMG it's Delta11111" people, however sometimes there is no time to clean your weapon, like in combat for example...
http://www.imageweb.info/photo/r7j27446.jpg
An actual combat photo of Russian marines in Chechnya, note the "cleanliness" of their firearms.

[Thor]

I'm no M16-fan.. But still, you don't want to mess up your weapon like that.

[Pook2]

^ yeah im pretty sure m16 wouldn't work here :lol:

Yes, it would work, because I have in fact seen it work.

[Azide]

^ yeah im pretty sure m16 wouldn't work here :lol:

Yes, it would work, because I have in fact seen it work.

The first shot always works ;)

[RomanS]

AKM rules all guns

[Shiftyfive]

^ yeah im pretty sure m16 wouldn't work here :lol:

Yes, it would work, because I have in fact seen it work.

ah dont bring facts into the discussion when talking to the Russians on here - they dont react to them very well.

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/rU408462.jpg

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/OX308512.jpg


Looks to me like these guys gotta learn how to keep there rifles off the ground, all guns jam :|

[Shiftyfive]

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/rU408462.jpg

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/OX308512.jpg


Looks to me like these guys gotta learn how to keep there rifles off the ground, all guns jam :|

not the magical Russian guns :roll:

[RomanS]

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/rU408462.jpg

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/OX308512.jpg


Looks to me like these guys gotta learn how to keep there rifles off the ground, all guns jam :|

at the end of this 15K+ march, each operator has to fire a shot in the air. If it doesnt, he fails.

I HAVE VIDEOS :)

[Shiftyfive]

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/rU408462.jpg

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/OX308512.jpg


Looks to me like these guys gotta learn how to keep there rifles off the ground, all guns jam :|

at the end of this 15K+ march, each operator has to fire a shot in the air. If it doesnt, he fails.

I HAVE VIDEOS :)

One shot - or does the gun have to cycle thru the full clip?

[RomanS]

I dont know about your planet, but here it only takes 1 bullet to kill a human.

[Shiftyfive]

I dont know about your planet, but here it only takes 1 bullet to kill a human.

thats why modern forces give out single shot assult rifles - oh wait I forgot every member of spetznaz is also the best snipers that ever were - and they never ever ever miss on the first shot - nor do they have to rely on the weapon after that first shot :roll: rofl

[RomanS]

I dont know about your planet, but here it only takes 1 bullet to kill a human.

thats why modern give out single shot assult rifles - oh wait I forgot every member of spetznaz is also the best snipers that ever were - and they never ever ever miss on the first shot - nor do they have to rely on the weapon after that first shot :roll: rofl
how old are you?

[Shiftyfive]

I dont know about your planet, but here it only takes 1 bullet to kill a human.

thats why modern give out single shot assult rifles - oh wait I forgot every member of spetznaz is also the best snipers that ever were - and they never ever ever miss on the first shot - nor do they have to rely on the weapon after that first shot :roll: rofl
how old are you?

on my planet or yours?

[RomanS]

either or, i'll figure it out

[Azide]

I dont know about your planet, but here it only takes 1 bullet to kill a human.

thats why modern give out single shot assult rifles - oh wait I forgot every member of spetznaz is also the best snipers that ever were - and they never ever ever miss on the first shot - nor do they have to rely on the weapon after that first shot :roll: rofl
how old are you?

on my planet or yours?

Let me guess "shifty five"?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/schfiftyfive.html

[Dima-RussianArms]

Ромыч, да ну этих идиотов нафиг, пусть и дальше носятся со своей ущербной М16, патриотизм это дело такое...

Ну а то, что ShiftyFive дебил по рождению тут уже мало кто сомневается, хотя скорее всего ему кто-то из наших по лицу настучал, может быть даже ногами в тяжелых ботинках, вот он и кидается на всё русское как бык на красную тряпку.

Кстати о жертвах абортов
http://www.imageweb.info/photo/g8L35154.jpg
на 400 выстрелов 5 задержек, и это на солнечной поляночке, а они нам тут пургу насчет песка гонят: как говорил один мой друг - всё это пиздешь и провокация.

[Shiftyfive]

either or, i'll figure it out

Well after doing my hyper star equations - Im of the earth age of 25 earthling.

Im assuming you answered my question in a roundabout way - they fire a single shot - now do they carrie a chambered live round in that weapon for the march or is it chambered in when they go to shoot it? Will be interesting to see how you dodge this question too, maybe you will call me a prostitute again. :roll: rofl

[RomanS]

Красивая сучка, ну ты ее сильно не насилуй. Хрупкая ведь

:lol:

[RomanS]

either or, i'll figure it out

Well after doing my hyper star equations - Im of the earth age of 25 earthling.

Im assuming you answered my question in a roundabout way - they fire a single shot - now do they carrie a chambered live round in that weapon for the march or is it chambered in when they go to shoot it? Will be interesting to see how you dodge this question too, maybe you will call me a prostitute again. :roll: rofl

after all the events, the team that is left lines up, and each soldier chamberes the round, and shoots it in the air. It is a blank also, for safety of others.

[Shiftyfive]

I dont know about your planet, but here it only takes 1 bullet to kill a human.

thats why modern give out single shot assult rifles - oh wait I forgot every member of spetznaz is also the best snipers that ever were - and they never ever ever miss on the first shot - nor do they have to rely on the weapon after that first shot :roll: rofl
how old are you?

on my planet or yours?

Let me guess "shifty five"?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/schfiftyfive.html

do you know how to count to shiftyfive

[Azide]

Кстати о жертвах абортов
http://www.imageweb.info/photo/g8L35154.jpg
на 400 выстрелов 5 задержек, и это на солнечной поляночке, а они нам тут пургу насчет песка гонят: как говорил один мой друг - всё это пиздешь и провокация.

If you don't like it i'll have it :)

[Shiftyfive]

either or, i'll figure it out

Well after doing my hyper star equations - Im of the earth age of 25 earthling.

Im assuming you answered my question in a roundabout way - they fire a single shot - now do they carrie a chambered live round in that weapon for the march or is it chambered in when they go to shoot it? Will be interesting to see how you dodge this question too, maybe you will call me a prostitute again. :roll: rofl

after all the events, the team that is left lines up, and each soldier chamberes the round, and shoots it in the air. It is a blank also, for safety of others.

and this is supposed to impress me how? they do the same thing in USMC training every day.

[RomanS]

either or, i'll figure it out

Well after doing my hyper star equations - Im of the earth age of 25 earthling.

Im assuming you answered my question in a roundabout way - they fire a single shot - now do they carrie a chambered live round in that weapon for the march or is it chambered in when they go to shoot it? Will be interesting to see how you dodge this question too, maybe you will call me a prostitute again. :roll: rofl

after all the events, the team that is left lines up, and each soldier chamberes the round, and shoots it in the air. It is a blank also, for safety of others.

and this is supposed to impress me how? they do the same thing in USMC training every day.
Im not here to impress you, I give 2 ****s what you think of Russian forces to be honest. My day or life wont change.

[Shiftyfive]

Ромыч, да ну этих идиотов нафиг, пусть и дальше носятся со своей ущербной М16, патриотизм это дело такое...

Ну а то, что ShiftyFive дебил по рождению тут уже мало кто сомневается, хотя скорее всего ему кто-то из наших по лицу настучал, может быть даже ногами в тяжелых ботинках, вот он и кидается на всё русское как бык на красную тряпку.

Кстати о жертвах абортов
http://www.imageweb.info/photo/g8L35154.jpg
на 400 выстрелов 5 задержек, и это на солнечной поляночке, а они нам тут пургу насчет песка гонят: как говорил один мой друг - всё это пиздешь и провокация.

Dima why dont you insult me in the language you had to learn to get by in the real world - english.

[Dima-RussianArms]

Какое насилуй, только в белых перчатках и то заедает:lol:
Помнишь как я АКСУ ногой по затвору чинил, а стирал как?

А то что красивая это да. Хотя с красивыми сам знаешь что делают, а на надежных женяться;)

Как тебе такой вариант
http://www.imageweb.info/photo/a5035625.jpg

[RomanS]

Классно Дим,
но слава богу не навойну с ней тебе идти, а так для развелечений

[Shiftyfive]

either or, i'll figure it out

Well after doing my hyper star equations - Im of the earth age of 25 earthling.

Im assuming you answered my question in a roundabout way - they fire a single shot - now do they carrie a chambered live round in that weapon for the march or is it chambered in when they go to shoot it? Will be interesting to see how you dodge this question too, maybe you will call me a prostitute again. :roll: rofl

after all the events, the team that is left lines up, and each soldier chamberes the round, and shoots it in the air. It is a blank also, for safety of others.

and this is supposed to impress me how? they do the same thing in USMC training every day.
Im not here to impress you, I give 2 ****s what you think of Russian forces to be honest. My day or life wont change.

oh ok - I see it all so clearly now.

I have to tell you I am curious about you claiming to be a spetznaz - or was my Northern brother lying?

[Dima-RussianArms]

Какое там на войну, так взял - для общего развития и уже думаю на что поменять. Единственный момент который нравиться - переключатель огня, удобнее чем на АК.
Телескопический приклад в принципе удобен, но по голове, если-что, им не дашь.
Я вообще думаю что Стоунер работал на КГБ и впарил местным М16 по нашему заданию :lol:

[RomanS]

Какое там на войну, так взял - для общего развития и уже думаю на что поменять. Единственный момент который нравиться - переключатель огня, удобнее чем на АК.
Телескопический приклад в принципе удобен, но по голове, если-что, им не дашь.
Я вообще думаю что Стоунер работал на КГБ и впарил местным М16 по нашему заданию :lol:

rofl rofl rofl
А ты поменяй теперь на НК, потом на что нибудь ещё. А так потом из всех стволов перестреляешь, и все началось с АКСУ

[Shiftyfive]

whole article here

http://www.search-international.com/Articles/crime/russiacrime.htm




Organized Crime Outlook in the New Russia

Russia is Paying the Price of a Market Economy in Blood

By: Richard Lindberg and Vesna Markovic



The KGB, the Mafia, and State Corruption
With the fall of communism, ex-KGB officers, veterans of the Afghan war, and unemployed military officers formed expedient alliances with gangster thugs and black market profiteers who carried out the “heavy” work—violence, threats and intimidation.

Former bureaucrats from the communist regime working quietly and with great skill suborned politicians and decision-makers while cutting deals with the Sicilian Mafia to establish narcotics-smuggling trade routes through central Asia. By 1995, the year of the historic “summit” meeting between Russian gangsters and Sicilian mobsters in Prague, corruption had spread into the highest levels of the Kremlin, but lawmakers were largely unconcerned. Efforts to pass anti-corruption laws were consistently voted down. Bribery was always a hidden cost of doing business in the Soviet era. It is endemic to the culture, even today.

In 1993 Russian Vice President Alexander Rutskoi filed a controversial report with the Supreme Soviet identifying key members within President Boris Yeltsin’s cabinet of profiting from Mafia ties. Rutskoi, as one might expect, was branded a reactionary, accused of corruption, summarily fired and jailed for fomenting an “armed rebellion” against the government.

At the same time, President Yeltsin conceded that the Mafia was destroying the economy, undermining the public morale and destabilizing Russia’s political structure. With bitter resignation he added that: “crime has become problem number one for Russians.”

(interesting)



The truly frightening aspect to all this is that nothing seems to faze these gangsters; certainly not public outrage or governmental crackdowns. In August of 1993 Russian gangsters hijacked a T-90 tank, drove it into the local marketplace in Nizhni Tagli, and opened fire on a Muslim criminal group who had tried to take over the local marketplace. The Mafia accused the Muslim group of stealing protection money from the vendors they claimed “belonged” to them.

[Dima-RussianArms]

Всё началось на уроках НВП с АКМ ;)

С HK знаком по MP5, расположение ручки затвора - "гений" инженерной мысли. Вообщем "нам такой хокей не нужен..."
А как исраильтяне в арабов из УЗИ попадают - это вообще загадка природы.
Зато я точно знаю почему У Исраиля так хреново дела с экономикой - все деньги на патроны к УЗИ идут, так как тот их потребляет немерянно...

[drGreen]

what?

[drGreen]

what?

[Sergei]

whole article here

http://www.search-international.com/Articles/crime/russiacrime.htm




Organized Crime Outlook in the New Russia

Russia is Paying the Price of a Market Economy in Blood

By: Richard Lindberg and Vesna Markovic



The KGB, the Mafia, and State Corruption
With the fall of communism, ex-KGB officers, veterans of the Afghan war, and unemployed military officers formed expedient alliances with gangster thugs and black market profiteers who carried out the “heavy” work—violence, threats and intimidation.

Former bureaucrats from the communist regime working quietly and with great skill suborned politicians and decision-makers while cutting deals with the Sicilian Mafia to establish narcotics-smuggling trade routes through central Asia. By 1995, the year of the historic “summit” meeting between Russian gangsters and Sicilian mobsters in Prague, corruption had spread into the highest levels of the Kremlin, but lawmakers were largely unconcerned. Efforts to pass anti-corruption laws were consistently voted down. Bribery was always a hidden cost of doing business in the Soviet era. It is endemic to the culture, even today.

In 1993 Russian Vice President Alexander Rutskoi filed a controversial report with the Supreme Soviet identifying key members within President Boris Yeltsin’s cabinet of profiting from Mafia ties. Rutskoi, as one might expect, was branded a reactionary, accused of corruption, summarily fired and jailed for fomenting an “armed rebellion” against the government.

At the same time, President Yeltsin conceded that the Mafia was destroying the economy, undermining the public morale and destabilizing Russia’s political structure. With bitter resignation he added that: “crime has become problem number one for Russians.”

(interesting)



The truly frightening aspect to all this is that nothing seems to faze these gangsters; certainly not public outrage or governmental crackdowns. In August of 1993 Russian gangsters hijacked a T-90 tank, drove it into the local marketplace in Nizhni Tagli, and opened fire on a Muslim criminal group who had tried to take over the local marketplace. The Mafia accused the Muslim group of stealing protection money from the vendors they claimed “belonged” to them.





Hey, little ****, you just can't quit, can you? :cantbeli:

[Shiftyfive]

whole article here

http://www.search-international.com/Articles/crime/russiacrime.htm




Organized Crime Outlook in the New Russia

Russia is Paying the Price of a Market Economy in Blood

By: Richard Lindberg and Vesna Markovic



The KGB, the Mafia, and State Corruption
With the fall of communism, ex-KGB officers, veterans of the Afghan war, and unemployed military officers formed expedient alliances with gangster thugs and black market profiteers who carried out the “heavy” work—violence, threats and intimidation.

Former bureaucrats from the communist regime working quietly and with great skill suborned politicians and decision-makers while cutting deals with the Sicilian Mafia to establish narcotics-smuggling trade routes through central Asia. By 1995, the year of the historic “summit” meeting between Russian gangsters and Sicilian mobsters in Prague, corruption had spread into the highest levels of the Kremlin, but lawmakers were largely unconcerned. Efforts to pass anti-corruption laws were consistently voted down. Bribery was always a hidden cost of doing business in the Soviet era. It is endemic to the culture, even today.

In 1993 Russian Vice President Alexander Rutskoi filed a controversial report with the Supreme Soviet identifying key members within President Boris Yeltsin’s cabinet of profiting from Mafia ties. Rutskoi, as one might expect, was branded a reactionary, accused of corruption, summarily fired and jailed for fomenting an “armed rebellion” against the government.

At the same time, President Yeltsin conceded that the Mafia was destroying the economy, undermining the public morale and destabilizing Russia’s political structure. With bitter resignation he added that: “crime has become problem number one for Russians.”

(interesting)



The truly frightening aspect to all this is that nothing seems to faze these gangsters; certainly not public outrage or governmental crackdowns. In August of 1993 Russian gangsters hijacked a T-90 tank, drove it into the local marketplace in Nizhni Tagli, and opened fire on a Muslim criminal group who had tried to take over the local marketplace. The Mafia accused the Muslim group of stealing protection money from the vendors they claimed “belonged” to them.





Hey, little ****, you just can't quit, can you? :cantbeli:

Ah yes the mental masturbation brigade strikes again - where do they find such wit?

Oh and Roman - im still waiting for a answer there tough guy- did you pose as a spetznaz member on here - yes or no? Are you as big a wannabe as I think you are?

[tony6]

на 400 выстрелов 5 задержек, и это на солнечной поляночке, а они нам тут пургу насчет песка гонят: как говорил один мой друг - всё это пиздешь и провокация
Well Dima: why don't You say it in English?
All those forum members who don't speak Russian would also like to know how many times did that M-16 jammed and "what one of Your friends tells".
Just keep it English.

[Thor]

For all of you that want to know what these ruskies are saying to each other in their language:

Check out:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/

[Azide]

Wow that translator works pretty well, except the slang and stuff.

[twominds]

I don`t know about this gun fight, but that new avatar Roman is hillarious.. rofl rofl

[Gauntlet]

http://img166.exs.cx/img166/9563/omon_2.jpg

This has to be my favorite Spetsnaz photo off them all (the one in the middle)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

holy fawk shifty you got a boatload of sand in your vag, hate it break it to you buds....the cold war is over :lol:

[Knutsen]

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/rU408462.jpg

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/OX308512.jpg


Looks to me like these guys gotta learn how to keep there rifles off the ground, all guns jam :|

at the end of this 15K+ march, each operator has to fire a shot in the air. If it doesnt, he fails.

I HAVE VIDEOS :)

I don't get the point of this. At least for what i can see in the pictures they're taking the rifles to extreme conditions, all of them, if it jams , why does the poor guy fail??? It's not a situation in which you can blame the person for giving the rifle a bad use since everyone does the same

[Shiftyfive]

holy fawk shifty you got a boatload of sand in your vag, hate it break it to you buds....the cold war is over :lol:

I like sand in my ****** - it gives me that gritty raw feeling while helping to keep down the smell. :D

[Shiftyfive]

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/rU408462.jpg

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/OX308512.jpg


Looks to me like these guys gotta learn how to keep there rifles off the ground, all guns jam :|

at the end of this 15K+ march, each operator has to fire a shot in the air. If it doesnt, he fails.

I HAVE VIDEOS :)

I don't get the point of this. At least for what i can see in the pictures they're taking the rifles to extreme conditions, all of them, if it jams , why does the poor guy fail??? It's not a situation in which you can blame the person for giving the rifle a bad use since everyone does the same

Well I imagine if a guy bribes the intructors enough they pass them working gun or not. Got to keep the quotas up so you can supply the Russian mafia with muscle. :roll:

[nagant_m44]

Какое там на войну, так взял - для общего развития и уже думаю на что поменять. Единственный момент который нравиться - переключатель огня, удобнее чем на АК.
Телескопический приклад в принципе удобен, но по голове, если-что, им не дашь.
Я вообще думаю что Стоунер работал на КГБ и впарил местным М16 по нашему заданию :lol:

Я думал AK имело более удобный переключатель пожара после этого
m16 когда я сгорел оба. Мой русский плох. Я живу в Соединенных Штатах слишком длиной :)

[Shiftyfive]

The Electronic Telegraph (UK)
June 27, 2003
Triumphant Putin has problems at home
By Julius Strauss in Moscow

As Vladimir Putin was feted and fawned over in London yesterday, in Moscow Tatyana Blinova was looking for a new job.

Earlier this week her employer, TVS, became the last independent national television station in Russia to have its plug pulled.

Yesterday its broadcasting equipment in the Ostankino tower in northern Moscow was gathering dust. A court order had been taped to the main entrance announcing its closure. "Unfortunately we didn't fit into the concept of a revived Gosteleradio [The Soviet media monopoly]," Mrs Blinova said.

Officially, TVS, the last refuge for journalists critical of the Kremlin who once worked for the powerful NTV, was forced to shut for financial reasons. But critics of Mr Putin's media policy pointed out that its closure coincided with a fresh Kremlin assault against Russia's remaining independent media.

On Wednesday the upper house of the Duma passed a Bill that banned media from carrying "electoral propaganda". The vague wording of the Bill has media watchdogs worried. They fear it may be used to close any media outlet critical of the Kremlin.

Alexei Simonov, president of the Glasnost Defence Foundation, said: "The question is how it will be put into practice. How you define propaganda will be up to the electoral committees and it is well known that they have their own political preferences."

The industry watchdog Reporters Without Borders went further. It said the Bill could "drastically curtail press coverage during election campaigns".

Stamping on the media is not the only accusation that is being leveled against the Kremlin in the run-up to parliamentary elections in December. Critics say there has been no serious attempt to root out the corruption that stains the entire Russian system.

This week the issue hit the headlines after the exposure of a corruption ring that went to the heart of the Russian security services.

Police seized seven high-ranking security officers, accusing them of various offences including racketeering, fraud and blackmail.

According to prosecutors, they planted drugs or guns on rich businessmen and then blackmailed them. They also allegedly extorted huge payments from casinos and up-market restaurants.

Among those arrested was Lt Gen Vladimir Ganayev, chief of security at Russia's Emergencies Ministry. Police found uncut diamonds and tens of thousands of dollars in cash at his house. When his accomplice's dachas were raided they found more than £2 million, hand-grenades, guns, cocaine, diamond rings, listening devices and a £20,000 watch.

The Kremlin maintains that the raid is proof that the government is serious about putting its house in order. But most Russians see it as the exception that proves the rule. They suspect that the culprits have been exposed because they fell foul of their bosses in the Kremlin and became overly ambitious.

For normal Russians, corruption hangs over their lives. Getting a child into the right school might cost £700 or more, buying him out of military service up to £2,000. A trip to the doctor, a new permit or building approval all have to be smoothed over with a "gift".

Even Mr Putin's supporters acknowledge that in his first three and a half years he has done little to impose root-and-branch reform.

Lilia Shevtsova, a researcher at the Carnegie Centre in Moscow, said: "Most Russians don't want St Petersburg summits, Potemkin villages and Buckingham Palace. They want better living standards, investment and free travel to the West."

Asked whether Mr Putin deserved his rousing reception in London this week, Mrs Blinova replied: "All the West cares about is that Russia is stable. As long as we don't become another Iraq or Afghanistan they don't care what happens here."

[M4ko]

Какое там на войну, так взял - для общего развития и уже думаю на что поменять. Единственный момент который нравиться - переключатель огня, удобнее чем на АК.
Телескопический приклад в принципе удобен, но по голове, если-что, им не дашь.
Я вообще думаю что Стоунер работал на КГБ и впарил местным М16 по нашему заданию :lol:

Я думал AK имело более удобный переключатель пожара после этого
m16 когда я сгорел оба. Мой русский плох. Я живу в Соединенных Штатах слишком длиной :)

You dont sound like ex Russian at all, looks like you used babel fish to tranaslate your text.


Shifty, i heard taht song of counting to shifty five, dude that sang it was obviously a bit mentally challenged, is he your idol?

[MEGR]

Look.

I don't want this thread locked. I really like the pictures and hope that more are posted.

Please, lay off the worthless flaming drivel, or just aim it towards the Political Rants section.

[CG51]

:lol: "seldom a thread that has no flame" - beNder

[4nzix]

Dudes stop arguing and post pics!!!

[M4ko]

taken from FSB's official website.

If Camel wants to buy this picture, please contact me!

http://img207.exs.cx/img207/2066/8336fn.jpg

[DuDe]

А как исраильтяне в арабов из УЗИ попадают - это вообще загадка природы.
Зато я точно знаю почему У Исраиля так хреново дела с экономикой - все деньги на патроны к УЗИ идут, так как тот их потребляет немерянно...
We don't issue the Uzi for at least a year now, and it hasn't been used by the infantry for twenty or so years (unless you count variants such as the micro-Uzi). The entire army has moved to the M16 and its different variants.

[4nzix]

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Russia/spetznaz-2.jpg

[The Kop]

I am wondering the gears and uniform used be these russian military official can be bought in civilian market?

I found a lot of their gears look like product from the following brand name?
ANA, SPLAV, CCO, REX-design,

does it mean the russian military have contract with these companies? is there any different between the issue product and the one that I can buy form these manufacturer?

[V0rkutinetz]

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/rU408462.jpg

http://www.imageweb.info/photo/OX308512.jpg


Looks to me like these guys gotta learn how to keep there rifles off the ground, all guns jam :|

at the end of this 15K+ march, each operator has to fire a shot in the air. If it doesnt, he fails.

I HAVE VIDEOS :)

One shot - or does the gun have to cycle thru the full clip?
Its called a magazine ;)

[TuNeRsHaRk]

http://russianarms.info/rushtm/photos/Gallery95/IMG_0025.jpg
Holy crap is that a Mak-10 or 11

[VaLiancY]

I'm suprised of the amount of weapons the Special Forces have at their available to them.

[)I(EHbKA.]

http://img166.exs.cx/img166/9563/omon_2.jpg

This has to be my favorite Spetsnaz photo off them all (the one in the middle)

Isn't this guy a little too old to be in spetsnaz? I read that during Soviet times the maximum age for spetsnaz was 25, then the spetsnaz soldier was moved to desant (paratroopers I think), and after 32 it's the regular army. Read this in one of Suvorov's book.
Roman or Dima what do you think about this?

[Son_Of_Suvorov]

Isn't this guy a little too old to be in spetsnaz? I read that during Soviet times the maximum age for spetsnaz was 25, then the spetsnaz soldier was moved to desant (paratroopers I think), and after 32 it's the regular army. Read this in one of Suvorov's book.
Roman or Dima what do you think about this?

For conscripts it's true that they may prefer younger guys, but then the maximum age for conscription is and was 27, but the only way you'd get conscripted at that age was if you spent the past 9 years in prison, in which case it was straight off to the construction/engineering battalion. What you're probably referring to are allocations for anyone who's served and goes in reserve, which I've heard is a pretty complicated systems and the allocation may "degrade" with age. Officers can serve their entire careers, it all depends on willingness and health. If those guys are in fact GRU Spetsnaz then they are probably officers. Of course they don't have to be - maybe (and much more likely) they're soldiers on contract with the MVD.


Holy crap is that a Mak-10 or 11

Looks to me like an AEK-919 (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg56-e.htm).

[Azide]

http://img166.exs.cx/img166/9563/omon_2.jpg

This has to be my favorite Spetsnaz photo off them all (the one in the middle)

Isn't this guy a little too old to be in spetsnaz? I read that during Soviet times the maximum age for spetsnaz was 25, then the spetsnaz soldier was moved to desant (paratroopers I think), and after 32 it's the regular army. Read this in one of Suvorov's book.
Roman or Dima what do you think about this?

From the other thread we learned that these guys are actualy OMON not GRU.

[bloddyaxe]

I am wondering the gears and uniform used be these russian military official can be bought in civilian market?

I found a lot of their gears look like product from the following brand name?
ANA, SPLAV, CCO, REX-design,

does it mean the russian military have contract with these companies? is there any different between the issue product and the one that I can buy form these manufacturer?

ana splav sso and rex are indeed contracted to make things for the Russian army/mvd/fsb and probably other CIS armies/mvds as well. The only difference between the commercially available stuff from them and the issued ones are the tags and stamps. Probably as in stamps for issued and tags for commerical. Even still, officers and enlisted are likely to buy commercial stuff to augment their already available issued stuff.

[slobo]

some pics From guys at www.russianarms.info Vlad and Roman
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/1139/boycycopy.jpg

Anyone know which unit these gents are with?

[4nzix]

How to deal with terrorists:

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/677580.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA1F1341D545C1DA702D2F87637210EE4

[Nrom]

- never mind -

[4nzix]

what happened???

[Berkyt]

Ok shiftyfive we get your point. Everything Russian sucks, all russians are bums or criminals, Russia should kiss Americas ass. Why don't you go there and tell them that instead of showing us your hatred on the internet? Were you beaten by a Russian when you were in kindergarten or something? Your hatred is totally illogical and, quite frankly, stupid.
It is very stupid to say so!Ёбаный ты ковбои!
In every country are stupid and clever,big and small mens.
And with your conception you may go in mental hospital,because you are ideot or with out brain at all..all understand that this is forum and i won't kick your ass and that is why you can say everything what you want,but it only shows that you are foolish, silly, stupid.
:bash: :-*$ :fork:

[Nrom]

It is very stupid to say so!Ёбаный ты ковбои!
In every country are stupid and clever,big and small mens.
And with your conception you may go in mental hospital,because you are ideot or with out brain at all..all understand that this is forum and i won't kick your ass and that is why you can say everything what you want,but it only shows that you are foolish, silly, stupid.
:bash: :-*$ :fork:

Dude he was talking to shiftyfive..

[Spetsnaz74]

Anyone have pics of the Soviet ERA spetsnaz....they seem more badass :)

[UraBudanov]

It is very stupid to say so!Ёбаный ты ковбои!
In every country are stupid and clever,big and small mens.
And with your conception you may go in mental hospital,because you are ideot or with out brain at all..all understand that this is forum and i won't kick your ass and that is why you can say everything what you want,but it only shows that you are foolish, silly, stupid.
:bash: :-*$ :fork:

Братишка успокойся, ты его не правильно понял. Он свой, это он с сарказмом так долбику одному обьяснил.

[jipman]

Россия будет самой большой страной в мире!

[UraBudanov]

Россия будет самой большой страной в мире!
Russia is the biggest country in the world! ! !

[Nrom]

Russia is the biggest country in the world! ! !

Well geograficaly it is ;)

[UraBudanov]

Well geograficaly it is ;)
What other ways are out there to measure the size of Russia?

[km5]

amount of hot chicks per square kilometer

[UraBudanov]

amount of hot chicks per square kilometer
Russia has more hot Chicks than anyother country

fact

[3rdMillhouse]

correct me if I&#180;m wrong but I believe latest miss universe (Natalie Glebova/Canada) is russian

[Berkyt]

Братишка успокойся, ты его не правильно понял. Он свой, это он с сарказмом так долбику одному обьяснил.
Да=),просто не читал до того момента...меня сильно затронули эти слова и я потерял всякое желание читать до этого.
:roll:
yes,sorry i didn't read up to this point,but this words grazed me very much.
And one more time sorry,but this opinion is right in situation which i understood first.

[L()Csta]

Russia has more hot Chicks than anyother country

fact

concurred!

[nwtarr]

Ну вот мы и приехали...

Ветка превратилась в чёрт знает что...

[khukuri]

amount of hot chicks per square kilometer



Genious! Thats the only reasonable solution! But russia wouldnt end up high there...

However nice photos.

And about this...

http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ag.jpg

Even thou the kicking the **** out of each other thing looks ridicilous I understand it. There is actualy a reason for it. Fear of violence. Many people theese days havent been in fights, they dont know how it feels to get punched hard. They have a big fear of the pain cuz it is unknown to them. Im not saying that people who have been punched are notafraid of it, its just that you dont know where you have yourself. You dont know how you would react, how much paint it is etc etc I think it feels better after while after beeing beaten up, youre more secure,youve been there done that know how it is.

[WackyWoodChuck]

amount of hot chicks per square kilometer

54 per sq km. am i right?

[Berkyt]

Genious! Thats the only reasonable solution! But russia wouldnt end up high there...

However nice photos.

And about this...

http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ag.jpg

Even thou the kicking the **** out of each other thing looks ridicilous I understand it. There is actualy a reason for it. Fear of violence. Many people theese days havent been in fights, they dont know how it feels to get punched hard. They have a big fear of the pain cuz it is unknown to them. Im not saying that people who have been punched are notafraid of it, its just that you dont know where you have yourself. You dont know how you would react, how much paint it is etc etc I think it feels better after while after beeing beaten up, youre more secure,youve been there done that know how it is.
You are right from one side...but on that foto you can see the supreme test,on that test the soldier must fight and don't give up 9 min with the careerist,red beret.

[UraBudanov]

You are right from one side...but on that foto you can see the supreme test,on that test the soldier must fight and don't give up 9 min with the careerist,red beret.

12 minutes bro!

[Berkyt]

12 minutes bro!
Точно,меня проглючило.