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Kingpin
11-18-2003, 08:56 AM
Red Kabul revisited

Are the US rulers of Afghanistan at last adopting the agenda of their Soviet predecessors?

Jonathan Steele
Thursday November 13, 2003
The Guardian

Two years after Kabul was freed from the Taliban there's a sense of deja vu about Afghanistan. The striking comparison is not primarily with Iraq, although reminders of the trouble the Americans are having in Mesopotamia pop up constantly. Indeed, in some ways things are worse. Fighting is on a heavier scale, with US helicopters and aircraft conducting almost daily raids on Taliban groups. Swathes of the south have become no-go areas for UN aid workers and NGOs. More than 350 people have been killed by Taliban attackers or US air raids since August, a death toll greater than in Iraq.
No, Kabul today bears a strong resemblance to the Kabul of 1981. This time the men setting the model are American rather than Russian, but the project for secular modernisation which Washington has embarked on is eerily reminiscent of what the Soviet Union tried to do. Schools, hospitals, electrification, rights for women, an expansion of education - it's the same mix as the Russians were encouraging. Moscow's aid came within the framework of a one-party state and national control of fledgling industry as opposed to today's liberal democracy and an open door for private investors; but for most Afghans, then as now, the ideological trappings matter less than the practical results and the amount of money put to work.

In 1981, Kabul's two campuses thronged with women students, as well as men. Most went around without even a headscarf. Hundreds went off to Soviet universities to study engineering, agronomy and medicine. The banqueting hall of the Kabul hotel pulsated most nights to the excitement of wedding parties. The markets thrived. Caravans of painted lorries rolled up from Pakistan, bringing Japanese TV sets, video recorders, cameras and music centres. The Russians did nothing to stop this vibrant private enterprise.

Of course, Kabul was an invaded city, but most residents did not seem worried. Baghdad-style bomb attacks on Soviet troops were rare and the mujahedin who fought the Russians in the countryside never approached the capital. Unlike the Americans in Iraq, the Russians had enough intelligence from locals to forestall sabotage attempts.

I was no supporter of the Soviet invasion. Although nominally a response to an invitation from Afghan leaders, the despatch of Soviet troops in December 1979 was foolish and illegal, as I vigorously argued against an official from the Soviet embassy at a protest meeting at the LSE a few days later. But what I saw in 1981, and on three other visits to several cities over the 14 years that the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) was in charge, convinced me that it was a much less bad option than the regime on offer from the western-supported mujahedin.

It's a view that surfaces continually. "Those were the best times," said Latif Anwari, a translator with an NGO in Mazar. Now in his late 30s, he studied engineering in Odessa from 1985 to 1991. "There was no fighting, everything was calm, the factories were working," he said. I asked him about Mohammed Najibullah, the PDPA leader who ruled for more than three years after Soviet troops withdrew. He's universally known as "Dr Najib". "He's still popular. If Dr Najib were a candidate in the presidential elections, he would easily win. No one likes the mujahedin," Latif said.

Or take Margaret Knill, a doughty Christian missionary from Britain who has worked at Kabul's Vocational School for the Blind since 1983. She has seen every regime for the past 20 years and has no hesitation in saying the 1980s was the high point. "The Russians re-opened the school in 1979. We had up to 130 pupils when I came. In 1993 the building was destroyed by shelling between the mujahedin factions. We moved closer to the centre but, under the Taliban, girls and the six women teachers were excluded." Now the school is reviving, but with 98 pupils it's still behind its PDPA heyday.

The paradox of the Soviet invasion was that it was both liberation and occupation. The Russians removed a PDPA autocrat, Hafizullah Amin, and installed a more benign ruler from a different wing of the party. But by then the damage had been done. The PDPA's modernising agenda was easy for local tribal leaders and rural landlords to portray as anti-Islamic. Internationally, the Soviet move was denounced as a push for global expansion. The west, which had already been covertly supporting anti-communist rebels, now massively stepped up its efforts to arm the fundamentalist resistance.

The Russians did not run a pretty war. They showed no mercy in bombing villages suspected of harbouring guerrillas, as they sought to "cleanse" the border regions. But this was no Chechnya. For one thing, Soviet forces were more disciplined than their Russian successors, and they did not use kontraktniki or mercenaries who give Russian behaviour in Chechnya a bad name.

Secondly, Kabul was not Grozny. The Russians captured it without a fight, and most Kabulis supported their agenda. This was not a war of Russia v Afghanistan, but a civil war in which the Russians supported secular, urban Afghans against Islamic traditionalists and their Arab and western backers.

For a foreign journalist to make that case at the time was a lonely, unpopular business. Had the PDPA given more visas, they might have done better. Instead, they got a diet of romantic stuff about treks with the mujahedin. The west's greatest mistake was not that it armed the mujahedin but that after Soviet troops pulled out, it failed to back UN efforts to broker a coalition between the PDPA and the mujahedin. Washington wanted revenge for defeat in Vietnam, and George Bush senior was not ready to accept a communist role in government, however much educated Afghans preferred that to victory for the fundamentalists.

Fourteen years later, after mujahedin mayhem and the even worse tyranny of the Taliban, the Americans are picking up where the Russians and the PDPA left off. In one way, Washington is worse off than Moscow was. For the Russians, the jihadi warlords were an external enemy, propped up from outside. Now they are in the country, and even in government, resisting modernisation. But in two other ways, the prospects for the Americans are better. The fiercest armed opponents - the Taliban - are not getting as much foreign backing as the anti-Soviet mujahedin did. Most Afghans have learned from their parents' mistakes. The mullahs' ability to manipulate people into mistrust of the world has faded.

Why did Afghans fight the Russians 20 years ago, but not the Americans now, I asked Nasir Rahman, a doctor. "Because they were ignorant," he said. "They didn't know the Russians were bringing schools and hospitals or that neighbouring countries would use Afghanistan to put pressure on Russia for their own reasons. Now people wish they hadn't caused all this suffering. People are tired of war."

I don't expect western leaders will revise their ideological image of Afghan history or accept that arming the mujahedin was a blunder. I just hope they will nurture secular democracy this time by fighting, rather than supporting, the fundamentalists and by helping Afghans to rebuild their shattered state. Let the development money keep on flowing in. Governments will call it aid. I prefer to see it as reparations.

Sabre
11-18-2003, 10:31 AM
Damn straight.

May I go so far as to say that the Americans wouldn't even need to be there now if they hadn't been so bigotted.

If the US hadn't have supported the Mujahadeen, then they would have been neutralised by the Red Army. Good bye to the epicentre of islamic terrorism.

The US has really reaped wht it has sewn with the Mujahadeen.

Deuterium
11-18-2003, 10:37 AM
Damn straight.

May I go so far as to say that the Americans wouldn't even need to be there now if they hadn't been so bigotted.

If the US hadn't have supported the Mujahadeen, then they would have been neutralised by the Red Army. Good bye to the epicentre of islamic terrorism.

The US has really reaped wht it has sewn with the Mujahadeen.

Interesting point but it fails to take into account Cold War ethics and strategy. I certainly don't remember anyone voicing this opinion in the 80's. Not saying it might not be a valid point, just that it's the ultimate monday-morning quarterbacking example.

ibstolidude
11-18-2003, 10:46 AM
Damn straight.

May I go so far as to say that the Americans wouldn't even need to be there now if they hadn't been so bigotted.

If the US hadn't have supported the Mujahadeen, then they would have been neutralised by the Red Army. Good bye to the epicentre of islamic terrorism.

The US has really reaped wht it has sewn with the Mujahadeen.

amazingly enough the bulk of the warlords that support the US actions in Afghanistan are drawn from those who we supported during the Soviet invasion... The bulk of the Al Qaeda are insurgents that made their appearance many years after the Soviet occupation/attempt. Few Al Qaeda are Afghan...actually the bulk of the Talibs were either not afghan or they were young refugees that fled to Pakistan during the Soviet occupation/war...there they were "students" of several madrassa's and trained/support by the Pakistani Intel Service...the real problem was not the US involvement but the US abondonment setting the stage for the warlord rulling system that remains today...that warlord ruling system allowed the rise of the Taliban with the support of the PIS.

Considering the support the US had in Afghanistan prior to the US invasion..considering that student exchanges, US schools, emabssy, small US community all were located in Kabul prior to the soviet invasion...it was probably very prudent to lend US support. Continued support may have prevented the insurgents from locating in Afghanistan.

martinexsquaddie
11-18-2003, 11:57 AM
I belive the big plan was to make Afghanistan the Soviet Unions Vietnam
which happened probably helped bring the cold war to an end. So no more nuclear war threat. Personally I doubt the planet would have endured another 30 years of saber rattaling

ibstolidude
11-18-2003, 01:02 PM
I belive the big plan was to make Afghanistan the Soviet Unions Vietnam
which happened probably helped bring the cold war to an end. So no more nuclear war threat. Personally I doubt the planet would have endured another 30 years of saber rattaling

very fair assesment
good post

duck
11-18-2003, 04:59 PM
The Soviet Union was just fulfilling the old czarist dream of "dipping the feet of our soldiers in the Indian Ocean". "First we take Kabul, then we take Karachi".

16 OBr SpN
11-18-2003, 05:04 PM
Taliban is gone, heroin is back! The production of heroin went up 320%.
Here is food for thought.

duck
11-18-2003, 05:07 PM
When are China, India and Russia going to get together to combat muslim terrorists?

ibstolidude
11-18-2003, 05:24 PM
Taliban is gone, heroin is back! The production of heroin went up 320%.
Here is food for thought.
yea cause the Taliban didn't garner support from the Opium fields in the predominately Pashtun areas North on Kandahar. Hey, isn't that the same region that was the heart of their support...well I do believe it was!

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
11-18-2003, 05:47 PM
Yup its alot more profitable for the Afghani's to grow Pot or opium/heroin then to grow food crops.

James
11-18-2003, 10:28 PM
Damn straight.

May I go so far as to say that the Americans wouldn't even need to be there now if they hadn't been so bigotted.

If the US hadn't have supported the Mujahadeen, then they would have been neutralised by the Red Army. Good bye to the epicentre of islamic terrorism.

The US has really reaped wht it has sewn with the Mujahadeen.

Interesting point but it fails to take into account Cold War ethics and strategy. I certainly don't remember anyone voicing this opinion in the 80's. Not saying it might not be a valid point, just that it's the ultimate monday-morning quarterbacking example.

I agree with Deuterium. The U.S. was concerned with containing the Soviet Union. No one (as far as I know) had a crystal ball that showed them what would happen 12 years after the USSR pulled out of Afghanistan.

NcDeuce
11-19-2003, 12:32 AM
Word.

GazB
11-19-2003, 04:36 AM
"I agree with Deuterium. The U.S. was concerned with containing the Soviet Union. No one (as far as I know) had a crystal ball that showed them what would happen 12 years after the USSR pulled out of Afghanistan."

Yes, it wasn't americas fault... they spent billions to supply the Afghans with weapons and then when the Russians left they forgot about them... it was all obviously done in the interests of the afghans... even at the time there was little justification... except a little revenge. Vietnam showed that communism didn't actually spread that well. And the Russians already had warm water ports.. Cam Rahn Bay springs to mind.

One of the main winners in all this was of course the Chinese. The vast majority of US money was spent buying chinese made variants of soviet weapons to supply the Muj with weapons.

Sabre
11-20-2003, 12:38 PM
I'm sure if I had been older in the 80's I would have seen exactly what I see know. Bear in mind that the other enemy at the time was the Ayahtollah in Iran. Islamic terorism had been prevalent for almost ten years by then (Munich, various airline hijacks, US embassy in Iran).

The point about not being able to predict it all blowing back in the face of america is rather tenuous. There is truth to the fact that no one could predict september 11 back in the 80's, but as I have said above there were many islamic extremists that didn't like the US or its support for Israel (the Iranian government being the most obvious example).

Most of the Taliban were not Afghani, true. But neither were most of the Mujahadeen. The fact that most of the 'Friendly' warlords now were given US support back then doesn't help your argument at all. It just shows that the once-extremist warlords know how to side with the winning team. It's called saving your arse, most afghan warlords are good at that. Principles don't come into the equation with them.

I think the US knew perfectly well that when the Soviet Union pulled out of Afghanistan the warlords would take over. Any schoolkid could tell you that would not be the basis of a stable, peaceful society. I doubt that the US failed to notice their rather draconian stance on Human rights and Women, education, health etc. I doubt also that the welfare of the average Afghan was on their minds, either.


Sabre wrote:
Damn straight.

May I go so far as to say that the Americans wouldn't even need to be there now if they hadn't been so bigotted.

If the US hadn't have supported the Mujahadeen, then they would have been neutralised by the Red Army. Good bye to the epicentre of islamic terrorism.

The US has really reaped wht it has sewn with the Mujahadeen.


Interesting point but it fails to take into account Cold War ethics and strategy. I certainly don't remember anyone voicing this opinion in the 80's. Not saying it might not be a valid point, just that it's the ultimate monday-morning quarterbacking example.

The "Damn straight" bit took into account Cold War (Western) 'ethics' and strategy. I was echoing the opinion of the author in the article.

It was the precise 'ethics' that the US had then that caused the majority of Afghanis to suffer needlessly for 20 years. The paranoid view that communism was worse that the plague and that you are 'better dead than red' masked America's perception of what communism actually meant for the vast majority of Afghanis.

In the American 'ethics' of the time it was justifiable to interfere in Afghanistan. But this interference denied Afghanis their previous good standard of education, healthcare, equality and freedom. All things that American 'ethics' are meant to be about.

Basically, it was just another example of America trying to wrongfoot the USSR, let the consequences be damned.

Sabre
11-20-2003, 12:47 PM
Generally, American foreign policy was the same then as it is now:

1-We'll do what is in our interest, regardless of world opinion, and pride ourselves on that fact.

2-Our enemy's enemy is our best ally (regardless of human rights abuses)

3-If a previous administration did something wrong, we didn't (even if it was my dad)

4-Anyone who is enjoying a left wing, liberal society with free healthcare and education must be napalmed. (especially because they spend their national budget on their people, rather than arms, and are therefore more easily invaded)

5-If we did it, it's not wrong, because we're us.