6 years since nato bombing of Serbia/FYR

[shadower]

YOU MAY COME ACROSS ""GRAPHIC"" PHOTOS ON THIS PAGE!!!

NATO BOMBING OF SERBIA

IN MEMORIAM
March 24, 1999


Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant
(They make a solitude and call it peace,Tacitus, 98 A.D.:
The Life of Gnaeus Julius Agricola, Chapter, 30)


This page is devoted to the memory of all those who died or suffered during the tragic three months NATO bombing aggression in 1999. Exactly six years ago NATO launched massive air raids against Serbia without the approval of the UN Security Council and without all possibilities for the peaceful settlement of the crisis first being fully exhausted by the international community. Although NATO claimed that the air attacks were directed against Yugoslav military targets and the regime of Slobodan Milosevic, thousands of civilians of all ethnicities suffered and died as "collateral damage". This is a moment to remember all these innocent victims who were killed in the name of "freedom and humanity" and to pray for the repose of their souls. The lives that were lost will never be forgotten; they will always be in our hearts and memory.
http://www.kosovo.com/natociv.html

[km5]

please. dont act like you didnt know that bombing was coming to you. If you want to blame anyone, blame milosevic for spiraling Serbia into the abyss.

[tyovan]

http://kleine-eule.osttirol.net/Bilder/flag%20serb.gif


Само слога Србина спашава

[SeanAshi]

YOU MAY COME ACROSS ""GRAPHIC"" PHOTOS ON THIS PAGE!!!

NATO BOMBING OF SERBIA

IN MEMORIAM
March 24, 1999


Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant
(They make a solitude and call it peace,Tacitus, 98 A.D.:
The Life of Gnaeus Julius Agricola, Chapter, 30)


This page is devoted to the memory of all those who died or suffered during the tragic three months NATO bombing aggression in 1999. Exactly six years ago NATO launched massive air raids against Serbia without the approval of the UN Security Council and without all possibilities for the peaceful settlement of the crisis first being fully exhausted by the international community. Although NATO claimed that the air attacks were directed against Yugoslav military targets and the regime of Slobodan Milosevic, thousands of civilians of all ethnicities suffered and died as "collateral damage". This is a moment to remember all these innocent victims who were killed in the name of "freedom and humanity" and to pray for the repose of their souls. The lives that were lost will never be forgotten; they will always be in our hearts and memory.
http://www.kosovo.com/natociv.htmlSerbian war crimes, genocide *cough*

[shadower]

I am not going to go onto your level and argue you are not worth it.I don't make such comments when you RIP to some fallen American soldiers and I don't expect you to do so when I am doing same thing.If you are not polite enough to pay respect to victims don't bother to post any comments.

[Frank Discussion]

please. dont act like you didnt know that bombing was coming to you. If you want to blame anyone, blame milosevic for spiraling Serbia into the abyss.

So according to you, Milosevic was responsible for NATO strike aircraft dropping cluster munitions on the Nis marketplace (7 May 1999), Milosevic was responsible for NATO bombing a passenger train (Grdelica) and Milosevic was even responsible for NATO attacking a column of ethnic Albanians (Djakovica 14 April 1999).

According to your "logic" (term used very loosely) NATO was justified in breaching several sections of the Geneva Convention simply due to the fact that Milosevic was in power.

Try applying your logic to terrorist attacks against the United States (also a breach of the Geneva Convention) simply due to the fact that there are those around the world displeased with the Bush Administration. Does this justify their actions? Of course not.

The Geneva Conventions need to be applied objectively, not subjectively.
Otherwise they lose any meaning whatsoever.

[Serb Crusader]

I'd just like to say a big **** YOU to everyone from NATO countries. You have made an enemy of Serbia for all eternity, by attacking a country which has never attacked you or presented even a remote threat to you. You can't stay in the Balkans forever, it's only a matter of time before you will have to withdraw your peacekeepers and then we are going to take care of your precious muslims. Oh yes.

I don't know why western countries protected muslims anyways... Muslims want to kill all infidels (ie you).

LONG LIVE GREAT SERBIA!

http://img176.exs.cx/img176/9669/cicadraza9lc.jpg

http://rcp-brcko.com/galerije/ravna_gora_2001/ravna-gora-vojska.jpg

[km5]

please. dont act like you didnt know that bombing was coming to you. If you want to blame anyone, blame milosevic for spiraling Serbia into the abyss.

So according to you, Milosevic was responsible for NATO strike aircraft dropping cluster munitions on the Nis marketplace (7 May 1999), Milosevic was responsible for NATO bombing a passenger train (Grdelica) and Milosevic was even responsible for NATO attacking a column of ethnic Albanians (Djakovica 14 April 1999).

According to your "logic" (term used very loosely) NATO was justified in breaching several sections of the Geneva Convention simply due to the fact that Milosevic was in power.

Try applying your logic to terrorist attacks against the United States (also a breach of the Geneva Convention) simply due to the fact that there are those around the world displeased with the Bush Administration. Does this justify their actions? Of course not.

The Geneva Conventions need to be applied objectively, not subjectively.
Otherwise they lose any meaning whatsoever.


okay, lets talk logic. First, let me say this. I have zero sympathy towards the albanians and the KLA, who are nothing but a bunch of thugs and terrorists, and have been asking for a Serb beating for a long time.

Now, with that understanding, dont come here crying about those vicious boys at Nato who bombed the **** out of Serb military. Milosevic was warned many times and threatened with an air strike, if he continued using his preferred method of combating the albanians, which was a mass genocide. Yes, the albanians (not all offcourse) were thugs and wanted to control Kosovo, especially Pristina, but the way that milosevic went about it, he was begging for a US/EU intervention. Dont give me that sympathy crap for the Serbian population, because you know exactly how the Serb army 'secured' Kosovo's villages and went about bombing the **** out of kosovo's population centers. Was Nato's airstrike fully justified? No. Was it a surprise? Definitely not. Milosevic shouldve known better than commit full scale slaughter of civilians and combatants alike, without thinking he wouldnt get punished.

[km5]

http://rcp-brcko.com/galerije/ravna_gora_2001/ravna-gora-vojska.jpg

ARRRR!! where be my booty? these guys look very legit, no war criminals here, nope.

[shadower]

please. dont act like you didnt know that bombing was coming to you. If you want to blame anyone, blame milosevic for spiraling Serbia into the abyss.

So according to you, Milosevic was responsible for NATO strike aircraft dropping cluster munitions on the Nis marketplace (7 May 1999), Milosevic was responsible for NATO bombing a passenger train (Grdelica) and Milosevic was even responsible for NATO attacking a column of ethnic Albanians (Djakovica 14 April 1999).

According to your "logic" (term used very loosely) NATO was justified in breaching several sections of the Geneva Convention simply due to the fact that Milosevic was in power.

Try applying your logic to terrorist attacks against the United States (also a breach of the Geneva Convention) simply due to the fact that there are those around the world displeased with the Bush Administration. Does this justify their actions? Of course not.

The Geneva Conventions need to be applied objectively, not subjectively.
Otherwise they lose any meaning whatsoever.


okay, lets talk logic. First, let me say this. I have zero sympathy towards the albanians and the KLA, who are nothing but a bunch of thugs and terrorists, and have been asking for a Serb beating for a long time.

Now, with that understanding, dont come here crying about those vicious boys at Nato who bombed the **** out of Serb military. Milosevic was warned many times and threatened with an air strike, if he continued using his preferred method of combating the albanians, which was a mass genocide. Yes, the albanians (not all offcourse) were thugs and wanted to control Kosovo, especially Pristina, but the way that milosevic went about it, he was begging for a US/EU intervention. Dont give me that sympathy crap for the Serbian population, because you know exactly how the Serb army 'secured' Kosovo's villages and went about bombing the **** out of kosovo's population centers. Was Nato's airstrike fully justified? No. Was it a surprise? Definitely not. Milosevic shouldve known better than commit full scale slaughter of civilians and combatants alike, without thinking he wouldnt get punished.
There was not genocide less then 5 000 people were killed in Kosovo including Albanians Serbs Gipsies and all other national minorities.

[km5]

look man, I dont like the albanians and I didnt fully support the Nato bombing, BUT, milosevic should've been a lot smarter the way he went about kicking the albanians out. He did it in a dumb, sloppy way and paid the price.

[Ichhabe]

Then we just have to come back Serb crusader and yank your ear one more time. :D

[moughoun]

You have made an enemy of Serbia for all eternity

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm terrified at the prospect p-)

[Luno]

km5
You seem to generalize allot mate. How can you say that all Albanians where thugs and terrorists :| ? That’s quite stupid and childish

[Serb Crusader]

Then we just have to come back Serb crusader and yank your ear one more time. :D
Yes Serbia's biggest fear is that mighty Norway is going to come beat us up. What are you going to do, send Olaf Trigvason to sack Belgrade? Oh wait... That was 1000 years ago, Norwegians can't even scare a mouse anymore. These days you're all a bunch of pansyassed pussies who are letting muslims take over their countries, just like the rest of Europeans.

[He219]

These days you're all a bunch of pansyassed pussies who are letting muslims take over their countries, just like the rest of Europeans.
Are you suggesting something there toughguy?
p-)

[moughoun]

Then we just have to come back Serb crusader and yank your ear one more time. :D
Yes Serbia's biggest fear is that mighty Norway is going to come beat us up. What are you going to do, send Olaf Trigvason to sack Belgrade? Oh wait... That was 1000 years ago, Norwegians can't even scare a mouse anymore. These days you're all a bunch of pansyassed pussies who are letting muslims take over their countries, just like the rest of Europeans.
if we could find Serbia on a map we'd come sort you out, but **** we can't ;)

[Serb Crusader]

km5
You seem to generalize allot mate. How can you say that all Albanians where thugs and terrorists :| ? That’s quite stupid and childish
But they are. It's not like it's only a small minority of them who give the rest a bad name. All of them are like that. In the attacks on Serbs last March it wasn't only extremists who participated in lynching Serbs and burning our houses, even children and old people participated in it.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/03/prizren/prizren22-v.jpg
Albanian terrorists destroy a Serbian church build hundreds of years ago.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/03/beba-v.jpg
Serbian mother with baby runs through an Albanian mob who try to hit her as KFOR holds them back.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/03/bogoslovija-v.jpg
Serbian houses in Prizren on fire, local fire department does not put out fires until the houses are burnt to the ground.

[km5]

km5
You seem to generalize allot mate. How can you say that all Albanians where thugs and terrorists :| ? That’s quite stupid and childish

read what I wrote again. carefully

Yes, the albanians (not all offcourse) were thugs and wanted to control Kosovo, especially Pristina, but the way that milosevic went about it, he was begging for a US/EU intervention.

[Luno]

km5
But you did also wrote
okay, lets talk logic. First, let me say this. I have zero sympathy towards the albanians and the KLA, who are nothing but a bunch of thugs and terrorists, and have been asking for a Serb beating for a long time.

But I don’t want to get in a pointless fight about it :D so sorry for calling you stupid ;)

[Frank Discussion]

okay, lets talk logic. First, let me say this. I have zero sympathy towards the albanians and the KLA, who are nothing but a bunch of thugs and terrorists, and have been asking for a Serb beating for a long time.

Now, with that understanding, dont come here crying about those vicious boys at Nato who bombed the **** out of Serb military. Milosevic was warned many times and threatened with an air strike, if he continued using his preferred method of combating the albanians, which was a mass genocide. .

Mass genocide? Are you kidding? Please cite any evidence that confirms that a "mass genocide" of ethnic Albanians occured or was intended. Richard Cohen and Jamie Shea have long since been discounted.

"Bombed the **** out of the Serb military"? Not hardly, considering the entire world watched the VJ Third Army withdraw from Kosovo virtually unscathed after constant tactical airstrikes. NATO's BDA totals have long since been discounted by numerous sources. NATO barely took out a company of Serbian armor. Not a very impressive showing.

Regardless, of course the VJ and MUP units in Kosovo were legit targets, I wouldn't argue that point. Civilians in a marketplace were not, passengers on a train were not. NATO clearly violated several tenets of the Geneva Convention in prosecuting their airstrikes against Kosovo. Serbian forces clearly violated several sections of the Geneva Accords regards their conduct in Kosovo. Perhaps we can agree upon that. However NATO has been exonerated by the ICTY (what a surprise) and indictments have been handed down against the Serbian commanders in Kosovo. Justice isn't selective, it's objective. Where is justice for those civilians killed by NATO airstrikes in FRY?

[Frank Discussion]

look man, I dont like the albanians and I didnt fully support the Nato bombing, BUT, milosevic should've been a lot smarter the way he went about kicking the albanians out. He did it in a dumb, sloppy way and paid the price.

We are in agreement here, but Kosovo was always a point of political grandstanding for Milosevic. I applaud the manner in which the VJ and MUP sent the KLA running back to Kukes with their tail between their legs, but I don't condone crimes against civilians for any reason. Kosovo played into the hands of the extremist elements on both sides. After Ramboullet both sides were backed into the proverbial corner. NATO had been waving the "Sword of Damocles" spectre of airstrikes for so long they had to floow throuh or lose any credibility. And what better way to justify continued NATO expansion in the post Cold War era then involving your forces in a small-scale regional conflict?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

if we could find Serbia on a map we'd come sort you out, but **** we can't ;)What do we call it nowdays is it Greater Kosovo?

[Luno]

km5
You seem to generalize allot mate. How can you say that all Albanians where thugs and terrorists :| ? That’s quite stupid and childish
But they are. It's not like it's only a small minority of them who give the rest a bad name. All of them are like that. In the attacks on Serbs last March it wasn't only extremists who participated in lynching Serbs and burning our houses, even children and old people participated in it.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/03/prizren/prizren22-v.jpg
Albanian terrorists destroy a Serbian church build hundreds of years ago.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/03/beba-v.jpg
Serbian mother with baby runs through an Albanian mob who try to hit her as KFOR holds them back.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/03/bogoslovija-v.jpg
Serbian houses in Prizren on fire, local fire department does not put out fires until the houses are burnt to the ground.

did the national Serbian TV say that that the entire Albanians population did lynch Serbs and burning down houses? Sorry to say it but that stink Serbian propaganda…. :|

BTW did you know that the polish army in 1939 did cross the German border and hijack a radio station and its true according to German radio in 1939
:roll:

[He219]

These days you're all a bunch of pansyassed pussies who are letting muslims take over their countries, just like the rest of Europeans.
some things never change ...
:|

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/todayspics/7885350.jpg

A woman walks a dog by anti-Semitic graffiti reading "Jewish parasites, leave Serbia" and "Serbia to the Serbs only" in a predominantly Jewish street in the old part of Belgrade, Tuesday, March 22, 2005. In a sign of reviving nationalism and anti-Semitism, hate messages against Serbia's Jews, human rights groups and a leading pro-Western broadcaster appeared in the capital Belgrade on Tuesday. (AP Photo/Srdjan Ilic)



if we could find Serbia on a map we'd come sort you out, but **** we can't ;)
Note to self; Next time reschedule all imperialist NATO agression bombing missions at least two weeks before or after St. Paddy's Day ...

[SeanAshi]

http://rcp-brcko.com/galerije/ravna_gora_2001/ravna-gora-vojska.jpg
Isn't that the war criminal Zeljko Raznatovic?

[Frank Discussion]

http://rcp-brcko.com/galerije/ravna_gora_2001/ravna-gora-vojska.jpg
Isn't that the war criminal Zeljko Raznatovic?

No, that photo is from Ravna Gora 2001, Zeljko Raznatovic was assasinated
in January 2000. The Chetnik in the center does resemble him though.

[martinexsquaddie]

obviously somebody has'nt learned his lesson
:(
play nice or you won't be whining about hows its 12 years since we were bombed in 2012 :lol:
sorry the race that produced the biggest massacre since ww2 in europe
deserved to be bombed a fair few years before you were.
serbs perferred targets women and children first knuts

[shadower]

These days you're all a bunch of pansyassed pussies who are letting muslims take over their countries, just like the rest of Europeans.
some things never change ...
:|

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/todayspics/7885350.jpg

A woman walks a dog by anti-Semitic graffiti reading "Jewish parasites, leave Serbia" and "Serbia to the Serbs only" in a predominantly Jewish street in the old part of Belgrade, Tuesday, March 22, 2005. In a sign of reviving nationalism and anti-Semitism, hate messages against Serbia's Jews, human rights groups and a leading pro-Western broadcaster appeared in the capital Belgrade on Tuesday. (AP Photo/Srdjan Ilic)



if we could find Serbia on a map we'd come sort you out, but **** we can't ;)
Note to self; Next time reschedule all imperialist NATO agression bombing missions at least two weeks before or after St. Paddy's Day ...
Sad thing that something like that happened but same thing happened all over Canada few months ago you can not count opinion of few tenagers as entire nation opinion.On the other hand Jews did live Kosovo together with Serbian army.

[shadower]

km5
You seem to generalize allot mate. How can you say that all Albanians where thugs and terrorists :| ? That’s quite stupid and childish
But they are. It's not like it's only a small minority of them who give the rest a bad name. All of them are like that. In the attacks on Serbs last March it wasn't only extremists who participated in lynching Serbs and burning our houses, even children and old people participated in it.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/03/prizren/prizren22-v.jpg
Albanian terrorists destroy a Serbian church build hundreds of years ago.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/03/beba-v.jpg
Serbian mother with baby runs through an Albanian mob who try to hit her as KFOR holds them back.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/03/bogoslovija-v.jpg
Serbian houses in Prizren on fire, local fire department does not put out fires until the houses are burnt to the ground.

did the national Serbian TV say that that the entire Albanians population did lynch Serbs and burning down houses? Sorry to say it but that stink Serbian propaganda…. :|

BTW did you know that the polish army in 1939 did cross the German border and hijack a radio station and its true according to German radio in 1939
:roll:
Quicktime:
Albanian burning church.
Big

http://www.spc.org.yu/Multimedija/Podujevo/podujevo.mov

Small

http://www.spc.org.yu/Multimedija/Podujevo/podujevo3.mov

Windows

http://www.spc.org.yu/Multimedija/Podujevo/podujevo.avi



(with some Dutch soldiers of the KFOR unable to do anything)

[Shiftyfive]

I'd just like to say a big f*** YOU to everyone from NATO countries. You have made an enemy of Serbia for all eternity, by attacking a country which has never attacked you or presented even a remote threat to you. You can't stay in the Balkans forever, it's only a matter of time before you will have to withdraw your peacekeepers and then we are going to take care of your precious muslims. Oh yes.

I don't know why western countries protected muslims anyways... Muslims want to kill all infidels (ie you).

LONG LIVE GREAT SERBIA!



rofl Wow now were the defenders of the muslims. We just cant win, and this idiot couldnt be funnier if he tried.

[ibstolidude]

http://beercans.clues.at/collect/pic/5228.jpg


Само Ckoпsko Србина спашава

[SeanAshi]

http://www.photoarts.com/haviv/bosnia/image/dying.jpeg
Shoot unarmed civilians and then kick them when there down.

[ibstolidude]

I'd just like to say a big f*** YOU to everyone from NATO countries. You have made an enemy of Serbia for all eternity, by attacking a country which has never attacked you or presented even a remote threat to you. You can't stay in the Balkans forever, it's only a matter of time before you will have to withdraw your peacekeepers and then we are going to take care of your precious muslims. Oh yes.

What's this "we" ****, I'll give ten to one that IF you are Serb you are in Australia or EU lowcountry.

Allow me:
http://www.b92.net/english/news/index.php?&nav_category=&nav_id=31634&order=priority&style=headlines
Try here to learn about Patnership for Peace:http://www.nato.int

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=808850&highlight=serbia#808850

Fortunately the people of Serbia are much sharper than you

[shadower]

Nothing new on that page you could not read on RTS page.
B92 and his owner Mr.Soros is trying to break Serbia legs any chance he has.

[Shiftyfive]

http://www.photoarts.com/haviv/bosnia/image/dying.jpeg
Shoot unarmed civilians and then kick them when there down.

its easier that way :roll:

[shadower]

http://www.photoarts.com/haviv/bosnia/image/dying.jpeg
Shoot unarmed civilians and then kick them when there down.

its easier that way :roll:
Posting graphic photos without warning is NO on this site.And your photo has nothing to do with Kosovo conflict and this is no photo and video section but as ansver to you I have to post something to.You would find many pics like this in my first post if you bother to open link.
Serbian baby burned alive
THIS PAGE MAY HAVE "GRAPHIC" PHOTOS
http://www.pogledi.co.yu/galerija/kim/

[bloddyaxe]

Now we bombed Serbia only to get Slobo. We don't really care about some Kosovo Albanians or genocides no no, just stability and no Slobo...


;)

[Knutsen]

shadower, if you read the whole thread you'll see NOBODY is defending UCK and albanian terrorists, NOBODY is denying crimes and attrocities commited by them, but don't portray the serbs as the victims (yeah, civilians are victims of the bombings, we all agree) since it was the serbian army the ones who were doing a massacre with albanian civilians .

[shadower]

This post was about people that dyed as result of NATO bombing I never mention Yugoslav Army.The other who reply started generalizing and flaming.To first couple posts I didnt want to make any comments in bed manier but all those people that reply in bad manier and with no respect made me to.

[Lokos]

Frank Discussion is the most reasonable person when it comes to the Balkans I've ever come across.

The rest of us, me included, have not a hope of being objective. On one side, you have the CNN brainwashed. Spoon-fed one-sided accounts of Serbian atrocities - with little inkling of atrocities against Serbian populations that were taking place at the same time - and folks from the other sides in the conflicts (who granted have a right to stick up for their own nations). On the other, you have nationalist Serbs. I include myself in that category, with some qualifications.

Since we always come across as the more emotional, unreasonable people, I bet we get banned first.

And, to the EuroWussies going on about how you 'spanked' us in '99, I have but a few words for you: 'Come get some.'

I promise you, we pose a greater challenge than the Iraqis.

Lokos - Unreasonable Serb # 7583957

[shadower]

Frank Discussion is the most reasonable person when it comes to the Balkans I've ever come across.
x2 and bloddyaxe is prety good to.
Got to go out now.

[SeanAshi]

Frank Discussion is the most reasonable person when it comes to the Balkans I've ever come across.

The rest of us, me included, have not a hope of being objective. On one side, you have the CNN brainwashed. Spoon-fed one-sided accounts of Serbian atrocities - with little inkling of atrocities against Serbian populations that were taking place at the same time - and folks from the other sides in the conflicts (who granted have a right to stick up for their own nations). On the other, you have nationalist Serbs. I include myself in that category, with some qualifications.

Since we always come across as the more emotional, unreasonable people, I bet we get banned first.

And, to the EuroWussies going on about how you 'spanked' us in '99, I have but a few words for you: 'Come get some.'

I promise you, we pose a greater challenge than the Iraqis.

Lokos - Unreasonable Serb # 7583957
Come get some? You were real good at killing unarmed Albanian civilians. You would get spanked again.

[Dima-RussianArms]

Serbs, please forgive us for not doing what we should have done. We had a drunkard President and a government full of prostitutes.

Bless the souls of those who were murdered in that cowardly "show of force".

[EvanL]

Serbs, please forgive us for not doing what we should have done. We had a drunkard President and a government full of prostitutes.

Bless the souls of those who were murdered in that cowardly "show of force".
You mean like in Chechnya?

[RomanS]

Why did the Nato had to come there and bring their big planes and bombs?

Couldnt Albanians do it? NO they don't fight one on one. See a Serb, bring a mob.

I'm with Dmitri, Sorry to All Serbs that not much was done by Russia. Yeltsin was too busy drinking.

But it's ok, many volunteers from Russia went there.

Stay strong !

[Dima-RussianArms]

You mean like in Chechnya?
I do not see any similarities, care to point out? But please do so in a separate thread since this one is devoted to another issue.

[EvanL]

You mean like in Chechnya?
I do not see any similarities, care to point out? But please do so in a separate thread since this one is devoted to another issue.
my meaning was that you guys cant seem to even solve your own problems. Why get involved in someone elses?

[Dima-RussianArms]

Serbs are not "someone else", they are family.

As for solving Chechen problem - there are too many people in Russia who are interested in keeping that problem alive.
The problem was created by certain people in Russia and it is kept alive by them too.
In short - westerners don't understand why, how and what has and still happening over there, so lets just leave it at that.

[Sergei]

RIP to the victims of NATO bombing.
I am with you Serbian brothers!


I don't understand why the euros decided to involve themselves into this bombing ****? They destroyed their credibility for being peaceful guys big time.

[saintM]

[quote="Serb Crusader"]I'd just like to say a big f*** YOU to everyone from NATO countries. You have made an enemy of Serbia for all eternity, by attacking a country which has never attacked you or presented even a remote threat to you. You can't stay in the Balkans forever, it's only a matter of time before you will have to withdraw your peacekeepers and then we are going to take care of your precious muslims. Oh yes.

I don't know why western countries protected muslims anyways... Muslims want to kill all infidels (ie you).

LONG LIVE GREAT SERBIA!

[quote]

Yearh... I remember your f***** up country!!! I was there in '95 and as far as I remember you guys didn't give a **** going in to Kroatian houses shooting women and kids.. and they where not muslims btw.

Really brave - really proud! :bash:

[Dkraver]

but don't portray the serbs as the victims (yeah, civilians are victims of the bombings, we all agree) since it was the serbian army the ones who were doing a massacre with albanian civilians .
But they are the victims. They didnt do anything at all
http://beqiraj.com/bilder/maps/map_graves.jpg

Source :Government of the United Kingdom

GRAPHIC PICTURES in this link (http://members.lycos.co.uk/islamonrise/kosovo/kosova3.htm)

PS: Moderators please consider adding a "No serbian propaganda threads" to the posting rules.

[AN_TPS_63A]

but don't portray the serbs as the victims (yeah, civilians are victims of the bombings, we all agree) since it was the serbian army the ones who were doing a massacre with albanian civilians .
But they are the victims. They didnt do anything at all
http://beqiraj.com/bilder/maps/map_graves.jpg

Source :Government of the United Kingdom

GRAPHIC PICTURES in this link (http://members.lycos.co.uk/islamonrise/kosovo/kosova3.htm)

PS: Moderators please consider adding a "No serbian propaganda threads" to the posting rules.


This is albanian propaganda too :-)

[RATKO]

Like the build-up to the invasion of Iraq, the media coverage in the spring of 1999 was a series of fraudulent justifications, beginning with US Defence Secretary William Cohen's claim that "we've now seen about 100,000 military-aged [Albanian] men missing... they may have been murdered." David Scheffer, the US ambassador at large for war crimes, announced that as many as "225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged between 14 and 59" may have been killed. Blair invoked the Holocaust and "the spirit of the Second World War". The British press took its cue. "Flight from genocide," said the Daily Mail. "Echoes of the Holocaust," chorused the Sun and the Mirror.

By June 1999, with the bombardment over, international forensic teams began subjecting Kosovo to minute examination. The American FBI arrived to investigate what was called "the largest crime scene in the FBI's forensic history". Several weeks later, having not found a single mass grave, the FBI went home. The Spanish forensic team also returned home, its leader complaining angrily that he and his colleagues had become part of "a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines, because we did not find one - not one - mass grave."

In November 1999, the Wall Street Journal published the results of its own investigation, dismissing "the mass grave obsession". Instead of "the huge killing fields some investigators were led to expect ... the pattern is of scattered killings [mostly] in areas where the separatist Kosovo Liberation Army had been active." The Journal concluded that Nato stepped up its claims about Serb killing fields when it "saw a fatigued press corps drifting toward the contrarian story: civilians killed by Nato's bombs ... The war in Kosovo was "cruel, bitter, savage; genocide it wasn't."

One year later, the International War Crimes Tribunal, a body effectively set up by Nato, announced that the final count of bodies found in Kosovo's "mass graves" was 2,788. This included combatants on both sides and Serbs and Roma murdered by the Albanian Kosovo Liberation Army.

[SeanAshi]

You can't stay in the Balkans forever, it's only a matter of time before you will have to withdraw your peacekeepers and then we are going to take care of your precious muslims. Oh yes. Your not going to do a damn thing to those muslims.

[Dkraver]

This is albanian propaganda too :-)
Still pictures dont lie

[Dkraver]

For those of you who keep saying there was no mass killings and no mass graves. You should be forces to dig up the bodies and help investigate who they where and how they where killed.
:bash:
:bash:
:bash:
:bash:

[Sergei]

but don't portray the serbs as the victims (yeah, civilians are victims of the bombings, we all agree) since it was the serbian army the ones who were doing a massacre with albanian civilians .
But they are the victims. They didnt do anything at all
http://beqiraj.com/bilder/maps/map_graves.jpg

Source :Government of the United Kingdom

GRAPHIC PICTURES in this link (http://members.lycos.co.uk/islamonrise/kosovo/kosova3.htm)

PS: Moderators please consider adding a "No serbian propaganda threads" to the posting rules.


Source :Government of the United Kingdom
That says it all :D :D That government also found some Iraqi WMDs 2 years ago. They are still looking for some. :lol:

[fdt]

Serbs are not "someone else", they are family.

As for solving Chechen problem - there are too many people in Russia who are interested in keeping that problem alive.
The problem was created by certain people in Russia and it is kept alive by them too.
In short - westerners don't understand why, how and what has and still happening over there, so lets just leave it at that.Why don't You explain that to us? I am very interested in Your view on Chechnya... and I have a huge need for understanding...

[Ike]

Lots of bad things on both sides. there are no good-bad guys.

Clinton was mad at Milosevic, since they are both dirty liers, and he didnt give a fak about Albanians, as American government is not right now, with the unemployment rate on Kosovo over 90% and 0$ exports. He decided to take out dictator and thank him for that. But the bombs were little too much.

And thats all. Kosovo is now country without eletricity (4 hours per day), without economics and without hope.

Serbs were killing Albanians and viceversa.

It is like trying to find who was right about Israeli-Palestinian war. Everyone is right, and everyone is wrong.

About those antisemit graphitis in Belgrade. It is very sad that administrator of this forum does not know what was and still is relation between Jews and Serbs, and the destiny that we were sharing together even now.. Acts of few cannot be generalized and sticke to nation as a whole.

If Administrator minds I would like to post few web sites tht are being host in States.

www.jewwatch.org
www.stormfront.org

Are States antisemit country? No, they are land of democracy, and home of hypocrisy.

[RATKO]

For those of you who keep saying there was no mass killings and no mass graves. You should be forces to dig up the bodies and help investigate who they where and how they where killed.
OMG Another ex peacekeeper in Balkans rant

[GazB]

Before NATO went in Serbs killed Albanians, but mostly just kicked them out of their houses. Now that NATO is there the Albanians kill the serbs or make them leave their homes. One so called crime replaced by another. NATO should have just left them to each other and let them sort it out themselves.

[seventy6er]

There should be an extra-forum where all the Balkan a$$holes (and their Russian friends) can go and play and flame.

There will never be peace in this ****hole. Why? Just read this thread or any other Balkan-thread here...

Oh, btw:

Skopsko beer sucked!

http://beercans.clues.at/collect/pic/5228.jpg

[km5]

forget about the bombing for a minute, what the Serbs need badly right now are vowels. I cant spell a single town or city in Serbia, it hurts to ****ounce it


skipje, vrsac, srba, srpska


vowels anyone? :P

[Dkraver]

For those of you who keep saying there was no mass killings and no mass graves. You should be forces to dig up the bodies and help investigate who they where and how they where killed.
OMG Another ex peacekeeper in Balkans rant

OMG another blind stupid brainwashed serb
:cantbeli:

PS: Two can play that game. Try something more intelligent. Or is that against your serb values. If you have any rofl

[RATKO]

blind stupid brainwashed serb

You forgot dirty

[EvanL]

Its really funny when you see the places that used to have Russian influence, and how now there complete **** holes. Its no wonder why Russia itself is in so much shambles now. And dont you guys try to give me that "ohh i love mother russia crap" "she is the most powerful and humble" "please let me insert myself into her". Russia is and has been in shambles ever since WW2. And everywhere Russia goes, just gets ****ed up even more.

[km5]

Its really funny when you see the places that used to have Russian influence, and how now there complete **** holes. Its no wonder why Russia itself is in so much shambles now. And dont you guys try to give me that "ohh i love mother russia crap" "she is the most powerful and humble" "please let me insert myself into her". Russia is and has been in shambles ever since WW2. And everywhere Russia goes, just gets f*** up even more.


well you arent too far off, I actually wrote a comment about this.

http://www.up-in-flames.com/id/politics.php#4

[bloddyaxe]

Its really funny when you see the places that used to have Russian influence, and how now there complete **** holes. Its no wonder why Russia itself is in so much shambles now. And dont you guys try to give me that "ohh i love mother russia crap" "she is the most powerful and humble" "please let me insert myself into her". Russia is and has been in shambles ever since WW2. And everywhere Russia goes, just gets f*** up even more.

Yes it would be a great improvement if Mongolia conquered Canada, the same way they conquered everyone in the 13th century. It would get rid of the Russian influence there.

[ibstolidude]

There should be an extra-forum where all the Balkan a$$holes (and their Russian friends) can go and play and flame.

There will never be peace in this ****hole. Why? Just read this thread or any other Balkan-thread here...

Oh, btw:

Skopsko beer sucked!

http://beercans.clues.at/collect/pic/5228.jpg

Blasphemer!

I actually prefer the vineyards of Orohovac!

[Johnny_H02]

http://rcp-brcko.com/galerije/ravna_gora_2001/ravna-gora-vojska.jpg

ARRRR!! where be my booty? these guys look very legit, no war criminals here, nope. rofl

[Johnny_H02]

I hate to be the one to say it, but dont some of these guys seem like MP.nets case of herpies, Just when you think you have gotten them to settle down they flair back up again... maybe if some of you guys posted on more subjects then about the horrible crimes against serbia, people woudl take what you say more seriously.

[Lokos]

Maybe if you cut down on the hypocricy in regards to the Serbian nation they *would* post on more subjects. But all I ever see here is: 'Serbs bad. Anyone fighting Serbs good. So says NATO.'

It's filthy propaganda.

SeanAstin:

Oh, come on, give it a shot. Maybe you'll get a chance to fight a real war, for once.

We aren't scared of you now, we weren't scared of you in '99. You have shown yourselves to be cowards and braggarts.

And, to whoever mentioned the Soviet Union in this thread... :bash:

The Yugoslav Communist Party had little or nothing to do with the Soviet Union. From the 1950's until the late 1980's the Yugoslav National Army was set up to resist an invasion *from* the Soviet Union. We were neutral in your little Cold War.

Lokos

[shadower]

There should be an extra-forum where all the Balkan a$$holes (and their Russian friends) can go and play and flame.

There will never be peace in this ****hole. Why? Just read this thread or any other Balkan-thread here...

Oh, btw:

Skopsko beer sucked!

http://beercans.clues.at/collect/pic/5228.jpg
Look back to this discution and you will see that people like you came here and started flame war.

[shadower]

forget about the bombing for a minute, what the Serbs need badly right now are vowels. I cant spell a single town or city in Serbia, it hurts to ****ounce it


skipje, vrsac, srba, srpska


vowels anyone? :P
No we don't our alphabet is perfect.Here is little bit about Serbian alphabet it is easy to ****aunce as each letter make only one sound.
http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/users/lpv/YU/HTML/jezik.html

[SeanAshi]

http://rcp-brcko.com/galerije/ravna_gora_2001/ravna-gora-vojska.jpg

ARRRR!! where be my booty? these guys look very legit, no war criminals here, nope. rofl
The guy did resemble Raznatovic who was a life long criminal and committed almost every dirty crime in the book across Europe. At least Milosevic did one good thing before he was arrested.

[Steve Railsback]

Typically, a good flame war and I miss it………… Damn!!
Are the Serbs still angry because they got their ass handed to them by NATO for not doing anything wrong.

Civilian losses will sadly always be a part of war, even with today’s high tech precision weapons. The weapons can be how “smart” they will, but as long as there are humans selecting the targets the factor of human error during a modern war can be catastrophically, especially for the civilian population. RIP to the civilians of Serbia :(

That said, I don’t understand why so many of you Serbs here are so damn cocky, thinking you can take on everyone. You LOST the war! Get over it! Maybe you guys should try and use some of this energy to try and drag your sorry ass country out of the **** hold that its in. :fork:

Have a pleasant day, Steve

[SeanAshi]

Typically, a good flame war and I miss it………… Damn!!
Are the Serbs still angry because they got their ass handed to them by NATO for not doing anything wrong.

Civilian losses will sadly always be a part of war, even with today’s high tech precision weapons. The weapons can be how “smart” they will, but as long as there are humans selecting the targets the factor of human error during a modern war can be catastrophically, especially for the civilian population. RIP to the civilians of Serbia :(

That said, I don’t understand why so many of you Serbs here are so damn cocky, thinking you can take on everyone. You LOST the war! Get over it! Maybe you guys should try and use some of this energy to try and drag your sorry ass country out of the **** hold that its in. :fork:

Have a pleasant day, SteveWell the way Serb Crusader is talking he wants to start up the genocide again. He's asking for trouble...

[SerbPVO]

Idiot...Serbia was never "influenced" by Russia.
To describe our relationship...lets say its something greater than merely "influenced".

As for all this, ~meh. Serbia came out stronger after that bombing.
Now we'll join NATO and tear it down from inside, together with our French pals :P

[EvanL]

Idiot...Serbia was never "influenced" by Russia.
To describe our relationship...lets say its something greater than merely "influenced".

As for all this, ~meh. Serbia came out stronger after that bombing.
Now we'll join NATO and tear it down from inside, together with our French pals :PWhat were you then? Bed buddies?

[Mr.K]

the same scheme all over again:
Serb makes a post about nato bombing.
USA/Israeli/NATO member accuses the Serb of genocide
USA...: calls him communist
Russian "american": tries to act american as much as possible and make a huge post about the evilness of communism, because he didn't have a color TV in 1987
USA: reads half of it and proudly concludes: Russia is evil
Serb: being a slav, steps in for Russia
USA, Immigrant, Nato: call him communist and the same as russian.
Finally Russia (USSR: because for an american there is no difference) is blamed for everything. Whoever disagrees is a pinko-commie-alcoholic-child-killer-bastard or and USA#1


:roll:

[ronin2172]

the same scheme all over again:
Serb makes a post about nato bombing.
USA/Israeli/NATO member accuses the Serb of genocide
USA...: calls him communist
Russian "american": tries to act american as much as possible and make a huge post about the evilness of communism, because he didn't have a color TV in 1987
USA: reads half of it and proudly concludes: Russia is evil
Serb: being a slav, steps in for Russia
USA, Immigrant, Nato: call him communist and the same as russian.
Finally Russia (USSR: because for an american there is no difference) is blamed for everything. Whoever disagrees is a pinko-commie-alcoholic-child-killer-bastard or and USA#1


:roll:
U forgot one

Noob who thinks he's better than anyone else takes the chance to prove his cojones by proving how much smarter he is than all others who posts on this forum (that would be you)

[Mr.K]

no flame war for you rofl

[martinexsquaddie]

we forgot to blame serbia for ww1
barstards :roll:

[Aerosoul]

we forgot to blame serbia for ww1
barstards :roll:

Ahh, damn. :(

[Metak]

These days you're all a bunch of pansyassed pussies who are letting muslims take over their countries, just like the rest of Europeans.
some things never change ...
:|

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/todayspics/7885350.jpg

A woman walks a dog by anti-Semitic graffiti reading "Jewish parasites, leave Serbia" and "Serbia to the Serbs only" in a predominantly Jewish street in the old part of Belgrade, Tuesday, March 22, 2005. In a sign of reviving nationalism and anti-Semitism, hate messages against Serbia's Jews, human rights groups and a leading pro-Western broadcaster appeared in the capital Belgrade on Tuesday. (AP Photo/Srdjan Ilic)



if we could find Serbia on a map we'd come sort you out, but **** we can't ;)
Note to self; Next time reschedule all imperialist NATO agression bombing missions at least two weeks before or after St. Paddy's Day ...

I don't see relation with the topic. 3 boys aged 17 which wrote few ant-Semitic graffiti don't represent entire Serbian population, same things happen across Europe.
BTW I've read that it happens in Serbia because somebody made list (very long) of people which participated in break of Yugoslavia and aggresion on Serbia and the most of them were Jews; also some US congressmen which are Jews want indenpendent Kosovo and the biggest reason is because B92 TV station which spits on Serbs, our army and Orthododox Church is financed by Sorosh. (Please do not get me wrong, I'm not defending these "actions", I wrote what I have read about that matter).



http://www.photoarts.com/haviv/bosnia/image/dying.jpeg
Shoot unarmed civilians and then kick them when there down.

This photo has nothing to do with Kosovo. It has been posted on this forum at least 100 times. It's the same as if someone post photos of Abu Ghraib war crimes on every topic about USA.




This is albanian propaganda too :-)
Still pictures dont lie

Yes, but most of those photos are about dead KLA members with few photos of collateral damage (term used by Nato). I don't say Serbs didn't commit any war crime, unfortunatety crime are commited in every war (Vietnam, Avganistan, Iraq...).

I guess that someone would say how we Serbs are brainwashed by Milosevic's propaganda, but we are not. Most of us were able to watch CNN, Sky News and other western TV station during the bombing but those starions weren't better than our state TV.

Now back to topic - here is link about Nato bombing
http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu/kosovo_crisis/index.html
Photos, one graphic on 2nd page
http://www.focus.co.yu/bombardovanjeeng1.htm

I would like to see discussion about usage of depleted uranium during the bombing. Some hospitals report that number of deaths due to cancer is 4 times bigger than before the bombing.

[Dkraver]

"Metak
[quote=AN_TPS_63A]This is albanian propaganda too :-)
Still pictures dont lie

Yes, but most of those photos are about dead KLA members with few photos of collateral damage (term used by Nato). I don't say Serbs didn't commit any war crime, unfortunatety crime are commited in every war (Vietnam, Avganistan, Iraq...).

Well you are the first Serb in this thread who admits that serbs did do war crimes. And thats one of the reason these post always ends up being flame thread. Your country men keeps posting about what the other side did and on the same time keep denying that there side did anything wrong. Nice to see someone who can admit to it.
About those pictures. Yes some of them are of KLA members but dont know if you noticed that there where more than one page. Then you will see that there are also pictures of women, children and old men (not that old men cant fight). Also cutting peoples throat, cutting there head off and shooting people in the head at close range really doesnt go as normal combat do it??

[Danzer]

You know I really don’t get it.
How many countries haven’t been bombed during different wars and suffered tremendous military and civilian casualties? What makes you so special? If you want to remeber it just keep it to yourself. You don’t hear the Germans or Japanese on this board bitching about it. Yes it’s terrible but it’s done. Live with it.

[Metak]

Well you are the first Serb in this thread who admits that serbs did do war crimes. And thats one of the reason these post always ends up being flame thread. Your country men keeps posting about what the other side did and on the same time keep denying that there side did anything wrong. Nice to see someone who can admit to it.
About those pictures. Yes some of them are of KLA members but dont know if you noticed that there where more than one page. Then you will see that there are also pictures of women, children and old men (not that old men cant fight). Also cutting peoples throat, cutting there head off and shooting people in the head at close range really doesnt go as normal combat do it??


Yes, I have already said it on other topics, it happens in every war, but what I want to say is that crimes commited by our forces are much enlarged by media, some of the crimes claimed by CNN have never happened.
I have just checked other pages of that link, it is Albanian site (only they say "Kosova") with some of the incorrect facts, note name of the places - Racak and Drenica, both were notorious terrorists' strongholds, while I have never heard for "Lybeniq" (Albanians renamed it, don't know it's real name) so I can't say anything about that one. Those killed in Racak and Drenica were terrorists. After police has left them terrorists from other places came and dressed them in civilian clothes. To impress world about Serbian brutality they massacred
some of the bodies, even decapitated one of them (too bad I don't have that article on English). Women fight for KLA too - here's a photo
http://img55.exs.cx/img55/6987/erindamuriqi9eo.jpg
as well as some old people which were shooting on police from their houses. The most of the problems about civilian casualities were happening when police surround house with terrorists inside and terrorists refuse to surrender their family members despite police's guarantee that family member will be OK, instead they start shooting. About cutting throats - I heard that our police performed "silent liquidations" of enemy sentries before operation starts. Here's link about Racak: http://emperors-clothes.com/gilwhite/ranta.htm

[Lokos]

I can confirm that females fought for the KLA in significant numbers.

You folks shouldn't believe everything you see/hear. We went into Kosovo remembering that the world still thought us nothing but murderers, rapists and genocidal maniacs. So we actually *took care* when choosing and liquidating targets. Why ask for more bad press?

How many bodies did you find? Less than 10,000? How many of them were men of fighting age who, in all likelihood, were UCK/KLA?

Albanian civilians were not the main victims of this war.

Lokos

[goldman]

LONG LIVE NATO :hug: woot woot............ Cuz if it wasnt for them i wouldnt be here today. You guys still havent moved forward have you. Well im going to be honest as much as i can, i was 12 yrs old during the war and i saw what i saw, and nobody can change that . We had serb military or police u never knew the differents between them any ways, come up to are house and tell u to leave are home in 5mins if u didnt leave well u can only guess what would happen to u. I saw the worse ppl beeing shot women raped etc. I have nothing to prove to u serbs cuz u know as well as every one else that it happened but u're just in denial

[Serb Crusader]

How many bodies did you find? Less than 10,000? How many of them were men of fighting age who, in all likelihood, were UCK/KLA?

Haha @ 10.000... Try 2000 (http://www.labournet.net/balkans/9911/guardian.html), and most of them were not civilians. Not that it makes a difference, even if we killed a million of them it still wasn't NATO's business...

[Serb Crusader]

LONG LIVE NATO :hug: woot woot............ Cuz if it wasnt for them i wouldnt be here today. You guys still havent moved forward have you. Well im going to be honest as much as i can, i was 12 yrs old during the war and i saw what i saw, and nobody can change that . We had serb military or police u never knew the differents between them any ways, come up to are house and tell u to leave are home in 5mins if u didnt leave well u can only guess what would happen to u. I saw the worse ppl beeing shot women raped etc. I have nothing to prove to u serbs cuz u know as well as every one else that it happened but u're just in denial
Quit lying liar, you never saw a single person get shot or a single person raped.

[goldman]

LONG LIVE NATO :hug: woot woot............ Cuz if it wasnt for them i wouldnt be here today. You guys still havent moved forward have you. Well im going to be honest as much as i can, i was 12 yrs old during the war and i saw what i saw, and nobody can change that . We had serb military or police u never knew the differents between them any ways, come up to are house and tell u to leave are home in 5mins if u didnt leave well u can only guess what would happen to u. I saw the worse ppl beeing shot women raped etc. I have nothing to prove to u serbs cuz u know as well as every one else that it happened but u're just in denial
Quit lying liar, you never saw a single person get shot or a single person raped.

Okay there :cantbeli:

[Mr.K]

anti-semitism in europe was always present. Be it the "civilised" europe like France, Germany or Spain, or the "barbarian vodka chugging" Serbia, Poland or Russia.
I mean come on we're all aware about the zionist conspiracies and jews owing all the money :lol:
As for the kicking the corpse picture : well it depicts war like it really is, sad, unfair, and dirty - not like in the movies or on TV.
If it was an american soldier kicking a dead iraqi : the whole forum would have said: the dead man must have been an insurgent dressed like civilian, or a suicide bomber.
And other countries "bitch" about being bombed too, germans for dreseden, japanese for hiroshima, chechens for grozny etc etc.
Nobody likes being bombed.

[BarkingSquirrel]

You have made an enemy of Serbia for all eternity

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm terrified at the prospect p-)Oh me too, I'm absolutely quaking in my boots.

[Upfrontreporting]

Lokos,

As I understand you have served in the Serb military/MUP, I reckon you must be in posession of photos from your tour in Kosovo, why don't you post some of them, I'd be interested in seeing pics from that side of the conflict.

What can you tell about two paramilitary groups called Grey Wolfes and White Legion, apperently they both saw action in Kosovo and included foreign nationals in both of them.



regards
Upfrontreporting

[GazB]

You don’t hear the Germans or Japanese on this board bitching about it. Yes it’s terrible but it’s done. Live with it.

You don't think 50 years of western propaganda might have something to do with the attitudes of modern Japanese and Germans?

Why shouldn't they dislike an organisation that bombed them within the last decade?

And besides they have no choice but to "live with it", anyway. Doesn't mean they should like it, or accept it. They know that NATO, the US and the EU is not their friend, why pretend otherwise?

[nagant_m44]

the same scheme all over again:
Serb makes a post about nato bombing.
USA/Israeli/NATO member accuses the Serb of genocide
USA...: calls him communist
Russian "american": tries to act american as much as possible and make a huge post about the evilness of communism, because he didn't have a color TV in 1987
USA: reads half of it and proudly concludes: Russia is evil
Serb: being a slav, steps in for Russia
USA, Immigrant, Nato: call him communist and the same as russian.
Finally Russia (USSR: because for an american there is no difference) is blamed for everything. Whoever disagrees is a pinko-commie-alcoholic-child-killer-bastard or and USA#1


:roll:

Yea thats the pattern we follow here...

[Metak]

Neither Gray Wolves nor White Legion fought in Kosovo. Gray Wolves were disbanded after the war in Bosnia, White Legion fought in Zaire.
About White Legion:
http://www.survival.h1.ru/army_wl.htm

Also, some photos of mecenaries in Zaire on Serbian Special Forces thread:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33766&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=240



Hmm, more complicated than that because French secret service was involved too.
As I know Dominique Petrusic, leader of Serbs in Zaire, ex member of Foreign Legion, Yugoslavian/Serbian and French spy worked for French intelligence. French said that they were helping Mobutu to remain in power, but in fact they did everything they could to weaking him and to help Kabila's forces to win. For example Mobutu's financial adviser Steve Henke advised him to pay hundreds of $$$ for each knife for the army. Mercenaries' real task was to create impression for Mobutu how everything is going well. French planned to kill all Serbian mercenaries, but experienced soldiers expected something like that, so they blew up an airport together with huge quantity of weapons and escaped.

I have read that in an article about Petrusic. Hope it helps.

[sp2c]

blabla, if you did not want NATO to bomb you then you should not have tried to destabilize your neighbouring (NATO, EU, former yugoslavia threathening our peacekeepers again) countries with hordes of piss poor Albanian refugees.

wether it was genocide or not we could not allow this to continue or the wars would spread beyond the former yugoslav republic

[TuNeRsHaRk]

http://www.kosovo.com/stopnato.gif
Screw Them Man

[martinexsquaddie]

what with harsh language rofl

[TuNeRsHaRk]

there just for you

[Scagel]

http://rcp-brcko.com/galerije/ravna_gora_2001/ravna-gora-vojska.jpg

Watch out... I think those guys are poisonous

[Metak]

blabla, if you did not want NATO to bomb you then you should not have tried to destabilize your neighbouring (NATO, EU, former yugoslavia threathening our peacekeepers again) countries with hordes of piss poor Albanian refugees.

wether it was genocide or not we could not allow this to continue or the wars would spread beyond the former yugoslav republic

The decision to bomb Serbia was made long before "massacres" which Nato used as excuse for aggression. If your governments are such defenders of poor refugees why they didn't stop Turkey massacring Kurds, Sri Lankans fighting Tamil Tigers, Israel killing Palestinians etc? Read this and then decide was bombing correct move and was it our fault http://eairc.boom.ru/contrib/jatras.html
BTW I think that the biggest destabilisation factors in the Balkan are foreign policies of USA and of some Western Europe countries - USA supported Izetbegovic in Bosnia who was for war instead of Bosnian Muslim politician Abdic who was for peaceful agreement; Slovenian and Croatian paramilitaries were trained in Germany for terroristic actions in former Yugoslavia, German instructors trained and armed KLA terrorists and so on...

[Ichhabe]

http://img181.exs.cx/img181/5937/img000575ik.jpg

Any of you Serbs know what cafè that is and where it is?
And why we used to go there?

[EvanL]

http://img181.exs.cx/img181/5937/img000575ik.jpg

Any of you Serbs know what cafè that is and where it is?
And why we used to go there?
prostitutes?

[Ichhabe]

Evan, it was and still is a question to our Serb friends. :)

[RSK]

look man, I dont like the albanians and I didnt fully support the Nato bombing, BUT, milosevic should've been a lot smarter the way he went about kicking the albanians out. He did it in a dumb, sloppy way and paid the price.

Well put!

[RSK]

http://beercans.clues.at/collect/pic/5228.jpg


Само Ckoпsko Србина спашава

Heheh!

[SeanAshi]

What do Serbs think about this site?
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/warcrimes.htm

[Ichhabe]

What do Serbs think about this site?
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/warcrimes.htm

Why do you add gasoline to the fire???

I think the Serbs know whats been going on, but they do not like to get it stuffed in their faces. Sweet Lord, take it easy. We had flame fests over this about 100 000 times here on the forum.
Do you wank to them?

[GazB]

km5 wrote:
look man, I dont like the albanians and I didnt fully support the Nato bombing, BUT, milosevic should've been a lot smarter the way he went about kicking the albanians out. He did it in a dumb, sloppy way and paid the price.


So because a leader of a country solved and internal problem a way that NATO didn't like they bombed that leaders country? How many did they kill because of this? Apart from threats what support did they offer? Serbia had a problem with a terrorist organisation called KLA and the way they dealt with it might not have been pretty but how is the problem solved now? Seems to me to be reversed. And for what? How much money did it cost NATO to turn genocide into genocide? What sort of crappy result is that?


blabla, if you did not want NATO to bomb you then you should not have tried to destabilize your neighbouring (NATO, EU, former yugoslavia threathening our peacekeepers again) countries with hordes of piss poor Albanian refugees.


They were albanian refugees, why not send them to albania?

So what you are basically arguing was that NATO bombed Serbia and Kosovo because they didn't want to deal with albanians in the EU or NATO countries? If Serbia had bombed albania and forced them to take back their citizens would that have made it all right?

Funny really because there are plenty of albanians in europe anyway...

[Frank Discussion]

blabla, if you did not want NATO to bomb you then you should not have tried to destabilize your neighbouring (NATO, EU, former yugoslavia threathening our peacekeepers again) countries with hordes of piss poor Albanian refugees.

wether it was genocide or not we could not allow this to continue or the wars would spread beyond the former yugoslav republic

According to your logic Serbia was bombed because "hordes of piss poor Albanian refugees" threatened the stability of neighboring NATO and EU countries...

Refugees continue to flee Albania for Western Europe in large numbers to seek a better future in Western Europe. When can I expect to see NATO airstrikes against Albania?

[SerbPVO]

What do Jews think of this site? :roll:

http://www.palestinecampaign.org/

[SerbPVO]

I for one, will now welcome a free Palestine, and can't wait until they kick you out into the sea, by sheer numbers. How much of Israel's population is Muslim/Arab today? 30? 40 percent? The more, the better:)

[Ichhabe]

Don't have to be a miracle man to see that this thread is going to be locked. It is not a matter of why, but when.

[SerbPVO]

Oh and some people should worry about problems in their own countries before criticizing others.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/krim/article1507921.ece

^
Thats how it started in my country too. Maybe its better to drop the "holier than thou" attitude from now on;)

[Ichhabe]

Oh and some people should worry about problems in their own countries before criticizing others.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/krim/article1507921.ece

What the hell is your problem? You actually seem to enjoy having the whole world as an enemy. rofl rofl rofl

[EvanL]

How can people try to turn a blind eye to their countries ethnic cleansing? Even the Germans admitted to it! And they performed one of, if not the biggest genocides in history!

[nagant_m44]

How can people try to turn a blind eye to their countries ethnic cleansing? Even the Germans admitted to it! And they performed one of, if not the biggest genocides in history!

Genghis Khan wiped out an entire country because they cut the beard off one of his diplomats...

[EvanL]

How can people try to turn a blind eye to their countries ethnic cleansing? Even the Germans admitted to it! And they performed one of, if not the biggest genocides in history!

Genghis Khan wiped out an entire country because they cut the beard off one of his diplomats...
and ghengis khan was a barbarian!

[Roldwin]

I remember that the eurocorps annual field training that was expected to be carried out in Luxembourg, was cancelled 'cos of the NATO air offensive

[Metak]

Evan, it was and still is a question to our Serb friends. :)
ehehe I don't have to be expert to guess what is happening inside :D



What do Serbs think about this site?
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/warcrimes.htm

All places on that list were terrorists' strongolds. Drenica is notorious since 1981 when local Albanians killed a group of policemen. Check list of killed civilian in Prekaz and you'll see name Adem Jashari who was one of the highest ranked commanders of KLA. Here is photo of him, doesn't look like civilian to me
http://www.al-today.com/images/AdemJashari-aksh2.jpg

Also some of the captured weapons in Prekaz, why do "quiet civilians" need it?

http://www.pogledi.co.yu/galerija/aj/1V.jpg

BTW if killed "civilian" has surname Jashari or Mazreku you can be 99.99% sure he was a terrorist.

[martinexsquaddie]

yeah serbs are compeletly innocent serebenica happened because all the muslims commiited suicide :(
kosovo's going to be independant along with bosnia and croatia and macidona etc
all serb nationlism achieved was cover the balkans in blood bankrupt serbia spread refugess all over europe and make me freeze my arrse off on stag cheers for that you muppets :(

[Ichhabe]

http://img181.exs.cx/img181/5937/img000575ik.jpg

To our Serbian friends, and I do mean it. Even though many of the Serbs in here are of the type we would call "Hard liners." This picture is taken outside the bar/cafè Castel in Obilic, Kosovo in 2000.
So? What is so special avout that place you might ask? This place was one of the few Serb businesses that was still open. Because of that, they had to pay a prize. The Albanians used that shop as a hand grenade range. Quite often a hand grenade was thrown in to the shop. Because of that, we Norwegains was not allowed to go there because of the risk.
But we soon boycotted that order. To show the Serbs that we were there to protect them aswell, we always used to visit that place. Many Norwegian soldiers went there against orders to show that they were not intimidatet by thugs.
We also used to visit Serbs at their homes, to check if they were alright. We knew that we could not protect them 24/7, but we tried. Belive me, the Serbs in and around the Norwegian battalion appriciated that.

I could tell you Serbs even more what we did for the Serbs who remained in Kosovo, but I guess you would just ignore it, not belive it or denie it. Hopefully your closed minds will open one day and see that you still have friends out there. And I am not speaking about the Russians.

(It is NOT a brothel or whorehouse. Just had to specify that clearly for those who might gotten that idea.)

[Metak]

Sorry man, the first idea on my mind what it can be was a brothel, I heard that such places are frequently visited by KFOR sodliers. I also heard that some soldiers help a lot to Serbian population. Why do you think that we would not believe to you or ignore this, I don't get it? Also I don't think that KFOR soldiers hate us (except few idiots however), they only have so distorted image about us thanks to Nato propaganda machine.

[Ichhabe]

NATO propaganda machine?? Never heard of that. We were never told stories about this and that and how to behave against Serbs or that the Serbs were scum bags.
Trust me on that. In the early 2000, the KFOR maint task was changed from protecting the Albanians to protecting the Serbs.

[Lokos]

Ichhabe,

You have my respect as a human being and a soldier. My hat off to you.

Upfrontreporting,

We didn't have much contact with paramilitaries. Too many of those people were 'warriors' rather than soldiers. You know what I mean? Good morale, not much skill, lots of blood thirst. All 'round unpleasant folks. Some of them were murderers given paroles for service. Whenever I heard of an atrocity, I thought: paramilitaries. Cowboys, you know? It was made clear to us regulars that the international image of the Serbian nation was paramount - and that we had to use kiddy gloves when smashing pockets of insurgents.

A lot of guys we lost became casualties because we hesitated to employ force against 'sensitive' areas with lots of civilians.

Regarding photos:

I do have a few, I won't deny it. Looking back, though, I don't know why we took them. Some of them are not pretty, you know?

And a lot of them have some friends I'll never see again.

We were recon specialists. Also known alternatively as 'diverzanti' (I suppose it can be translated as 'diversionaries'?). The nature of the combat in Kosovo was such that by the time the cavalry arrived the action was already over a lot of the time. We took disproportionate casualties.

I'm going back to Serbia next year to visit some relatives and light a few candles over at our old barracks. They have a shrine there with the pictures of all the men who became casualties during the war and the Presevo campaign.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'd love to share the pictures, but too many of them are not mine to share...

Lokos

[goldman]

Still trying to sell as victims are u serbs........ pfft ffs get over it. Before u bitch, how rest of us bad are, why dont u look at u're selfs. :cantbeli:

[Azide]

Still trying to sell as victims are u serbs........ pfft ffs get over it. Before u bitch, how rest of us bad are, why dont u look at u're selfs. :cantbeli:

The soldiers that died by the bullets of terrorists arn't victims?

[RomanS]

Would be cool if Russia gives Serb all the newest weapons. Will see if Nato would try to pull the same bull**** again.

[tony6]

Would be cool if Russia gives Serb all the newest weapons. Will see if Nato would try to pull the same bull**** again.
Roman-You R a real Russian. I like You.
I really do ;)

[RomanS]

Would be cool if Russia gives Serb all the newest weapons. Will see if Nato would try to pull the same bull**** again.
Roman-You R a real Russian. I like You.
I really do ;)
I like you too my Polish friend

I just dont like when Slavs are being atacked. That includes you. If Nato atacks Poland, I would be pissed and on your side.

[tony6]

Roman:
Sometimes I have a feeling that despite all that forum Polish/Russian bull**** if we met together to "kick each other's ass" it would all end in together vodka smashing :D

[RomanS]

Roman:
Sometimes I have a feeling that despite all that forum Polish/Russian bull**** if we met together to "kick each other's ass" it would all end in together vodka smashing :D
AS Usual with our cultures :)

[Metak]

NATO propaganda machine?? Never heard of that. We were never told stories about this and that and how to behave against Serbs or that the Serbs were scum bags.
Trust me on that. In the early 2000, the KFOR maint task was changed from protecting the Albanians to protecting the Serbs.

Without intention to start flamewar - I thought about Nato's daily press reports during the bombing, about CNN, SkyNews, BBC and all other media stations "advised" by Ruder Finn; Richard Holbrooke, US representative for Balkan called us "murderous a**holes". That is my opinion.
Also, in my previous post I forgot to say that I have great respect for soldiers which against orders visited "Castel" to give support to those Serbs.

[Steve Railsback]

http://img181.exs.cx/img181/5937/img000575ik.jpg

To our Serbian friends, and I do mean it. Even though many of the Serbs in here are of the type we would call "Hard liners." This picture is taken outside the bar/cafè Castel in Obilic, Kosovo in 2000.
So? What is so special avout that place you might ask? This place was one of the few Serb businesses that was still open. Because of that, they had to pay a prize. The Albanians used that shop as a hand grenade range. Quite often a hand grenade was thrown in to the shop. Because of that, we Norwegains was not allowed to go there because of the risk.
But we soon boycotted that order. To show the Serbs that we were there to protect them aswell, we always used to visit that place. Many Norwegian soldiers went there against orders to show that they were not intimidatet by thugs.
We also used to visit Serbs at their homes, to check if they were alright. We knew that we could not protect them 24/7, but we tried. Belive me, the Serbs in and around the Norwegian battalion appriciated that.

I could tell you Serbs even more what we did for the Serbs who remained in Kosovo, but I guess you would just ignore it, not belive it or denie it. Hopefully your closed minds will open one day and see that you still have friends out there. And I am not speaking about the Russians.

(It is NOT a brothel or whorehouse. Just had to specify that clearly for those who might gotten that idea.)

I remember this place! Friendly staff and they served a decent good pizza too. And know I remember who you are Ichhabe. ;)

Well said Ichhabe! I don’t know how much time I have spent observing Serb houses/villages and “hot spots” and trying to providing safety for the Serb population in our AO. Even standing lined up at night in the hallway for direct assault out the door in many Serbian houses, so the Serb family could get one night of decent sleep with out worrying about some cowardly **** heads attacking their house at night…………….of course we wanted some action too. p-)

[ibstolidude]

ahh keep up the group hug and I'll post my pics w/ Father Sava.

hey good question:

So what do you Serbs here think of Sava Janjic?

[Ichhabe]

[quote=Ichhabe][I remember this place! Friendly staff and they served a decent good pizza too. And know I remember who you are Ichhabe. ;)



Hoy!! Have we met you say? I probably held a mine awareness-class for you?

[Steve Railsback]

[quote=Ichhabe][I remember this place! Friendly staff and they served a decent good pizza too. And know I remember who you are Ichhabe. ;)



Hoy!! Have we met you say? I probably held a mine awareness-class for you?

Yeah, and I was stationed at Camp Lebane and the camp wasn’t that big. Also my best friend was a Lt. in one of the assault engineer platoons, so I did hang around your guys place some times

[Ichhabe]

[quote=Ichhabe][I remember this place! Friendly staff and they served a decent good pizza too. And know I remember who you are Ichhabe. ;)



Hoy!! Have we met you say? I probably held a mine awareness-class for you?

Yeah, and I was stationed at Camp Lebane and the camp wasn’t that big. Also my best friend was a Lt. in one of the assault engineer platoons, so I did hang around your guys place some times

Damn... I miss that time. The whole STING-platoon was a bunch of good guys. Ach... Memories, sweet memories.

The Lt., was it the dude that set of to France for scholing, or the small one that was up running before dawn when rest of Kosovo except for its criminals were sound sleeping in their beds?

(come to think of it; they were small both of them.)

[Steve Railsback]

[quote=Ichhabe][I remember this place! Friendly staff and they served a decent good pizza too. And know I remember who you are Ichhabe. ;)



Hoy!! Have we met you say? I probably held a mine awareness-class for you?

Yeah, and I was stationed at Camp Lebane and the camp wasn’t that big. Also my best friend was a Lt. in one of the assault engineer platoons, so I did hang around your guys place some times

Damn... I miss that time. The whole STING-platoon was a bunch of good guys. Ach... Memories, sweet memories.

The Lt., was it the dude that set of to France for scholing, or the small one that was up running before dawn when rest of Kosovo except for its criminals were sound sleeping in their beds?

(come to think of it; they were small both of them.)

He He, yeah he is short. He went to school in Monaco, but that’s almost the same as France. I’ll tell him you called him small p-)

[Ichhabe]

[quote=Ichhabe][I remember this place! Friendly staff and they served a decent good pizza too. And know I remember who you are Ichhabe. ;)



Hoy!! Have we met you say? I probably held a mine awareness-class for you?

Yeah, and I was stationed at Camp Lebane and the camp wasn’t that big. Also my best friend was a Lt. in one of the assault engineer platoons, so I did hang around your guys place some times

Damn... I miss that time. The whole STING-platoon was a bunch of good guys. Ach... Memories, sweet memories.

The Lt., was it the dude that set of to France for scholing, or the small one that was up running before dawn when rest of Kosovo except for its criminals were sound sleeping in their beds?

(come to think of it; they were small both of them.)

He He, yeah he is short. He went to school in Monaco, but that’s almost the same as France. I’ll tell him you called him small p-)

Monaco it was. I am small, and I felt large when standing by his side. That is why I prefered his company rather that our platoon commander.
Somehow I feel he dont care about his size. :D
Which platoon were you a member of?

[Steve Railsback]

[quote=Ichhabe][I remember this place! Friendly staff and they served a decent good pizza too. And know I remember who you are Ichhabe. ;)



Hoy!! Have we met you say? I probably held a mine awareness-class for you?

Yeah, and I was stationed at Camp Lebane and the camp wasn’t that big. Also my best friend was a Lt. in one of the assault engineer platoons, so I did hang around your guys place some times

Damn... I miss that time. The whole STING-platoon was a bunch of good guys. Ach... Memories, sweet memories.

The Lt., was it the dude that set of to France for scholing, or the small one that was up running before dawn when rest of Kosovo except for its criminals were sound sleeping in their beds?

(come to think of it; they were small both of them.)

He He, yeah he is short. He went to school in Monaco, but that’s almost the same as France. I’ll tell him you called him small p-)

Monaco it was. I am small, and I felt large when standing by his side. That is why I prefered his company rather that our platoon commander.
Somehow I feel he dont care about his size. :D
Which platoon were you a member of?

That’s the same reason why I’m friends with him, “ if you want to be tall then have short friends”
I was part of the super duper secret Jeger platoon, but don’t say it out loud or "they" will come and get you. p-)