Interviews with Mp's that fought off ambush

[callous]

Squad Leader (http://www.dvidshub.net/video/jump.php?2102)
Others in the squad (http://www.dvidshub.net/video/jump.php?2100)

[kuttless]

thats crazy you can hear gunfire in the back ground, I like whenthe Sgt said they killed the insurgent fliming got taken down thats great.

[btdown]

Has the ambush video from the camera been released? I havent seen it.....

[callous]

Yeah the video is out, but the insurgents suck at video

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42405

And a AAR

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42522

[btdown]

Thank you for the links!

[Erik_MAA]

Just goes to show what happens when you underestimate MPs. Military Police are among the most heavily-armed soldiers in the US Army.

[DeathBeforeDishonor]

Military Police are among the most heavily-armed soldiers in the US Army.

I don't know about that statment :| Not to say that MP's don't kick some serious ass!!

[FozzieBear]

Military Police are among the most heavily-armed soldiers in the US Army.

I don't know about that statment :| Not to say that MP's don't kick some serious ass!! lol yeah say that to the apache pilots or m1 drivers :P

[oregongrunt]

Just goes to show what happens when you underestimate MPs. Military Police are among the most heavily-armed soldiers in the US Army.
They are not the among the most heavily-armed soldiers., the CAV, infantry and armor have the heavy weapons.

[Digital Marine]

Just goes to show what happens when you underestimate MPs. Military Police are among the most heavily-armed soldiers in the US Army.
They are not the among the most heavily-armed. Their HUMVEES have MK-19s and SAWs. The infantry have the 240Bs and 50 cals. Don't make uninformed statements.


LOL, he is a former MP and i believe he still does some things involving the MP... so i think that he's pretty well informed ;)



BTW, thanks for the videos! woot

[oregongrunt]

Just goes to show what happens when you underestimate MPs. Military Police are among the most heavily-armed soldiers in the US Army.
They are not the among the most heavily-armed. Their HUMVEES have MK-19s and SAWs. The infantry have the 240Bs and 50 cals. Don't make uninformed statements.


LOL, he is a former MP and i believe he still does some things involving the MP... so i think that he's pretty well informed ;)


I was there for fourteen months so BS someone else about MPs. We had to bail them out all the time.

BTW, thanks for the videos! woot

[wormie]

She said there were three wounded... but no casualties? Eh? :|

Anyone have the video footage? ;)

[Erik_MAA]

Say what you want, I am speaking from my own experience.

My MP platoon had 3 squads, each organized into 3 teams of 3 soldiers each. This was a Corps MP company.

For dismounted operations, each team had at least 1 M203 (most had two) and an M60. When mounted we had either M60s or Mk19s on the vehicles. (each Humvee had 1 of each gun, so we could mix & match depending on the mission). This was in 1990.

I should also note that some of our platoons had .50 cals, my platoon did not. I think we only had 2-3 .50 in the company though.

Now, when I joined the Cav in 1992, we had 1 M60, 1 SAW, and 2 M203s in each 12-man squad during dismounted operations. When I moved to an Infantry unit in 1995, it was the same. Mounted we used .50 and TOWs.

In 1997 I went back to MPs, in that unit (a Division MP Co.) each fire team had an M203, a SAW, and an M60. That's correct - each squad had 3 SAWs and 3 M60s. I got out in 1999.

My point is not to state that MPs are better soldiers than anyone else - I am simply stating that MPs can (and do) fight the fight, and are very well equipped to do so.

I have a lot of respect for combat arms, having served in Cav and Infantry for 6 years, and having fought in direct support of combat arms units in Panama and the Gulf.

Like I said before, say what you want. I was an active MP from 1989-1992, saw action in Panama, the Gulf, and elsewhere...I was Cav, Infantry, and MP in the National Guard from 1992-1999.

One last note: for those of you spoiling for a fight, check out this useful advice:

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2715

[wormie]

Say what you want, I am speaking from my own experience.

My MP platoon had 3 squads, each organized into 3 teams of 3 soldiers each. This was a Corps MP company.

For dismounted operations, each team had at least 1 M203 (most had two) and an M60. When mounted we had either M60s or Mk19s on the vehicles. (each Humvee had 1 of each gun, so we could mix & match depending on the mission). This was in 1990.

I should also note that some of our platoons had .50 cals, my platoon did not. I think we only had 2-3 .50 in the company though.

Now, when I joined the Cav in 1992, we had 1 M60, 1 SAW, and 2 M203s in each 12-man squad during dismounted operations. When I moved to an Infantry unit in 1995, it was the same. Mounted we used .50 and TOWs.

In 1997 I went back to MPs, in that unit (a Division MP Co.) each fire team had an M203, a SAW, and an M60. That's correct - each squad had 3 SAWs and 3 M60s. I got out in 1999.

My point is not to state that MPs are better soldiers than anyone else - I am simply stating that MPs can (and do) fight the fight, and are very well equipped to do so.

I have a lot of respect for combat arms, having served in Cav and Infantry for 6 years, and having fought in direct support of combat arms units in Panama and the Gulf.

Like I said before, say what you want. I was an active MP from 1989-1992, saw action in Panama, the Gulf, and elsewhere...I was Cav, Infantry, and MP in the National Guard from 1992-1999.

One last note: for those of you spoiling for a fight, check out this useful advice:

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2715
Someone got owned.

[CG51]

:lol: she was smiling when all the gunfire was going on, like its all in a day here...

[gjmoreau]

Just goes to show what happens when you underestimate MPs. Military Police are among the most heavily-armed soldiers in the US Army.
They are not the among the most heavily-armed. Their HUMVEES have MK-19s and SAWs. The infantry have the 240Bs and 50 cals. Don't make uninformed statements.

I dont know what you are talking about oregongrunt, but in the Marine Corps I have never seen a field MP unit with a 249 SAW on the pintle mount on a HMMWV. We mount .50s, MK-19s and 240G's, not B's. (The Army designates them as B's) It also sounds as if you are talking down about the Mk-19 and giving more credit to the .50 and 240. I dont know if you have ever seen one in real life, but it doesnt make sense what you said there. If I were you, you shouldnt "make uninformed statements." It is all the exact same stuff as the infantry. In some units we even have more M-1114 Up-armored HMMWVs than the infantry does because we do more operations requiring the use of a vehicle such as convoy escort or escort of EOD personnel or moving from one town to another to investigate situations requiring an MP. I am pretty sure the same is true about the Army, so dont discredit the MPs serving in Iraq.

[oregongrunt]

Just goes to show what happens when you underestimate MPs. Military Police are among the most heavily-armed soldiers in the US Army.
They are not the among the most heavily-armed. Their HUMVEES have MK-19s and SAWs. The infantry have the 240Bs and 50 cals. Don't make uninformed statements.

I dont know what you are talking about oregongrunt, but in the Marine Corps I have never seen a field MP unit with a 249 SAW on the pintle mount on a HMMWV. We mount .50s, MK-19s and 240G's, not B's. (The Army designates them as B's) I dont know if you have ever seen one in real life, but it doesnt make sense what you It also sounds as if you are talking down about the Mk-19 and giving more credit to the .50 and 240. said there. If I were you, you shouldnt "make uninformed statements." It is all the exact same stuff as the infantry. In some units we even have more M-1114 Up-armored HMMWVs than the infantry does because we do more operations requiring the use of a vehicle such as convoy escort or escort of EOD personnel or moving from one town to another to investigate situations requiring an MP. I am pretty sure the same is true about the Army, so dont discredit the MPs serving in Iraq.

You read what I wrote, but action speak louder than your words, I did over a year in combat in Operation Iraqi Freedom and I back-up everything word that I said. I respect and am interested what wormie other gulf war vets experienced, but I stand by my direct, first-hand experiences. I never said the MPs were terrible fighters or have "discredited" by telling my experiences, I never saw any of them with 50 cals or 240Bs, they did indeed have 249 SAWs on the pintle mount on HMMWVs. I really enjoyed your misguided comment about "It also sounds as if you are talking down about the Mk-19 and giving more credit to the .50 and 240", since it shows that you wouldn't know s**t about close combat. As for MK-19s in ambushes, they do not perform well do to the proximity of the enemy, terrain, and other battlefield conditions, nothing beats the hell out of insurgents like the M2. The MPs did a decent to poor job when ambushed (in fact, a few were outstanding), depending on the unit (the same relates to any other combat support unit we dealt with). During the combat phase of Iraq I worked alongside the Marines and their MPs did NOT have 50 cals. For wormie or anyone else with actual combat experience, I am not arguing with you, we had different wars and different experiences. For peace-time vets or the phonies out there, I'm not personally interested in your comments, or suggestions about this matter. As for the MPs mentioned in this post they KFA! To all the other IF vets here, you did a great job.

[gjmoreau]

You are calling me a fake then? Sounds like you served in the original gulf war which is different combat than this one is now. I know that- trust me. I never said the MK-19 was good for close combat. It barely can hold its own when the Marine manning it isnt sure if he should fire it that close. That I know. What I am saying is that I never saw what you saw. I never saw M249s mounted on HMMWV's- we just dont do it in the MP unit I am in, and I doubt that any unit does it. I have gone through countless drills on convoys ops and ambushes as well as MOUT, so please dont discredit what I say because you served in a different time era. I am not saying I know everything but I am saying that things have changed.