Childhood malnutrition rates doubled in Iraq since 2003

[anti_septic]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4395525.stm

Looks like the US has failed the exam

[seva108]

Malnutrition has to be worse, because the poor Iraqis are no longer getting the benefit of the benevolent UN Oil for Food program, right?? LOL :lol: I'd love to see the 'science' the cowards at the UN employed to survey the child population of Iraq.

Iraq will be prosperous and free, and the UN can't stand it. HILARIOUS!!

[Knutsen]

Malnutrition has to be worse, because the poor Iraqis are no longer getting the benefit of the benevolent UN Oil for Food program, right?? LOL I'd love to see the 'science' the cowards at the UN employed to survey the child population of Iraq.

Iraq will be prosperous and free, and the UN can't stand it. HILARIOUS!!

This debate has become kind of sterile, so please if you have nothing constructive to say or a good answer/argument/fact agains this article don't start this flame.

I see you're new , but there have been enough flames and insults discussing about Iraq, the UN......

btw, welcome to the forum and ... FEAR THE EUROWUSSIES (i'm a proud moember of them )

[anti_septic]

Malnutrition has to be worse, because the poor Iraqis are no longer getting the benefit of the benevolent UN Oil for Food program, right?? LOL :lol: I'd love to see the 'science' the cowards at the UN employed to survey the child population of Iraq.

Iraq will be prosperous and free, and the UN can't stand it. HILARIOUS!!

Hello is anybody there?
The US has had 2 years to sort it out but the problem is now twice as bad.
Go figure

[seva108]

Malnutrition has to be worse, because the poor Iraqis are no longer getting the benefit of the benevolent UN Oil for Food program, right?? LOL I'd love to see the 'science' the cowards at the UN employed to survey the child population of Iraq.

Iraq will be prosperous and free, and the UN can't stand it. HILARIOUS!!

This debate has become kind of sterile, so please if you have nothing constructive to say or a good answer/argument/fact agains this article don't start this flame.

I see you're new , but there have been enough flames and insults discussing about Iraq, the UN......

btw, welcome to the forum and ... FEAR THE EUROWUSSIES (i'm a proud moember of them )


Hmmm?? What FACTS? The article simply states a rise in child malnutrition, with NO supporting evidence. Typical UN Bullcrap.

The simple fact is: Iraq will be a prosperous democracy, no thanks to the UN. So they periodically come out with another BULLCRAP study that says everythings terrible to try to make the US look bad, which is then dutifully reported by the UN-loving European media.

It's a shame you're too brainwashed and deprived of facts by the European media to form an objective opinion.

[seva108]

Malnutrition has to be worse, because the poor Iraqis are no longer getting the benefit of the benevolent UN Oil for Food program, right?? LOL :lol: I'd love to see the 'science' the cowards at the UN employed to survey the child population of Iraq.

Iraq will be prosperous and free, and the UN can't stand it. HILARIOUS!!

Hello is anybody there?
The US has had 2 years to sort it out but the problem is now twice as bad.
Go figure

Twice as bad? What the heck are you talking about? The infrastructure of the entire country is being rebuilt. An entire governmental system and military is being rebuilt. (Think about all the facets of government for a second.) A major insurgency is being crushed.

Your post is an indication of blind ignorance, and is truly the view of someone who has never tried to accomplish something difficult. You have no appreciation or knowledge of the scale of the task, or the massive amount that has been done in two short years.

But then you wouldn't know. You listen to European media.

[seva108]

duplicate - sorry

[Luno]

seva108
Do you think it is funny that children in Iraq are starving?? :|

[seva108]

seva108
Do you think it is funny that children in Iraq are starving?? :|

Oh my god, man. I am saying this UN survey is bull****. There are simply no FACTS in this article, just an unsubstantiated assertion by some UN bureaucrat.

In other words, children in Iraq are NOT starving.

[anti_septic]

Malnutrition has to be worse, because the poor Iraqis are no longer getting the benefit of the benevolent UN Oil for Food program, right?? LOL :lol: I'd love to see the 'science' the cowards at the UN employed to survey the child population of Iraq.

Iraq will be prosperous and free, and the UN can't stand it. HILARIOUS!!

Hello is anybody there?
The US has had 2 years to sort it out but the problem is now twice as bad.
Go figure

Twice as bad? What the heck are you talking about? The infrastructure of the entire country is being rebuilt. An entire governmental system and military is being rebuilt. (Think about all the facets of government for a second.) A major insurgency is being crushed.

LOL you've failed those exams too.


Your post is an indication of blind ignorance, and is truly the view of someone who has never tried to accomplish something difficult. You have no appreciation or knowledge of the scale of the task, or the massive amount that has been done in two short years.

But then you wouldn't know. You listen to European media.

Strangely the same UN figures are being reported even by your state controlled American media today

:lol:

[seva108]

American mainstream media = leftist. European mainstream media = Marxist. So I am not surprised that this crap study would be gleefully distributed all over the world.

But no mention of the scientific methods utilized in this 'survey'. I'm sure the cowards at the UN scoured the entire country. Riiiiight.

The UN will NEVER release a report on Iraq that makes the USA look successful in any way. It's too painful for them to watch freedom, democracy and prosperity taking root in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East, and have George Bush to thank for it.

[anti_septic]

American mainstream media = leftist. European mainstream media = Marxist. So I am not surprised that this crap study would be gleefully distributed all over the world.

But no mention of the scientific methods utilized in this 'survey'. I'm sure the cowards at the UN scoured the entire country. Riiiiight.

The UN will NEVER release a report on Iraq that makes the USA look successful in any way. It's too painful for them to watch freedom, democracy and prosperity taking root in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East, and have George Bush to thank for it.


Well post some credible stats then.
I can't imagine anyone will believe anything from the US government though after all the porkies they've already told about Iraq.

You criticize the UN report for bias when they discuss Iraq but you're strangely silent when in the same report they give North Korea the same critical treatment for its government's inability to ensure the health of its citizens.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Of course there is going to be a rise in malnutrition. Do you really think people are going to go to the shops to get food whilst there country is getting bombed into oblivian?

Do you really think people are going to go to the shops when there is every chance they will become victims of the insurgancy?

Common sense will tell you that people do not eat as much during war. Besides that, Iraqi infastructure is still ****ed and can not transport as much foodstuffs around the county.

[anti_septic]

American mainstream media = leftist. European mainstream media = Marxist.

Now I know you live in an alternate reality.

When it comes to the important stuff the US mainstream media is as docile as the official propanda machine of the former Soviet Union.

[anti_septic]

Of course there is going to be a rise in malnutrition. Do you really think people are going to go to the shops to get food whilst there country is getting bombed into oblivian?

Do you really think people are going to go to the shops when there is every chance they will become victims of the insurgancy?

Common sense will tell you that people do not eat as much during war. Besides that, Iraqi infastructure is still f*** and can not transport as much foodstuffs around the county.

So you agree with me that the Americans have failed the exam then?

[Fox2]

American mainstream media = leftist. European mainstream media = Marxist.

Now I know you live in an alternate reality.

When it comes to the important stuff the US mainstream media is as docile as the official propanda machine of the former Soviet Union.

Something makes me think you haven't really watched much American media. :lol:

Just another anti-American searching for anything they can blame on the US. :petting:

Just outta curiousity, what's your nationality?

[Luno]

I have a strong felling that this thread will be turned into *I hate Europe VS I hate US* :|

[anti_septic]

I have a strong felling that this thread will be turned into *I hate Europe VS I hate US* :|

Well that wasn't the intention but

... I do think Europe and the US are equally worthless :D

[Fox2]

I have a strong felling that this thread will be turned into *I hate Europe VS I hate US* :|

Nah, I love Europe, and I love the US, so there'll be none of that from me. :D

Just wish people would stop trying to blame everything on the US, because they didn't agree with the lead-up to the war. ;)

[Luno]

I have a strong felling that this thread will be turned into *I hate Europe VS I hate US* :|

Well that wasn't the intention but

... I do think Europe and the US are equally worthless :D

Lol :lol: you are damn right there mate. We are al Eurowussies or bushowussies woot

Cheers :D

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Of course there is going to be a rise in malnutrition. Do you really think people are going to go to the shops to get food whilst there country is getting bombed into oblivian?

Do you really think people are going to go to the shops when there is every chance they will become victims of the insurgancy?

Common sense will tell you that people do not eat as much during war. Besides that, Iraqi infastructure is still f*** and can not transport as much foodstuffs around the county.

So you agree with me that the Americans have failed the exam then?

I dont think America has failed at all. I do however think more could of been done.

[anti_septic]

Of course there is going to be a rise in malnutrition. Do you really think people are going to go to the shops to get food whilst there country is getting bombed into oblivian?

Do you really think people are going to go to the shops when there is every chance they will become victims of the insurgancy?

Common sense will tell you that people do not eat as much during war. Besides that, Iraqi infastructure is still f*** and can not transport as much foodstuffs around the county.

So you agree with me that the Americans have failed the exam then?

I dont think America has failed at all. I do however think more could of been done.

The road to hell is paved with insufficiently backed up good intentions

[Ratman]

American mainstream media = leftist. European mainstream media = Marxist. So I am not surprised that this crap study would be gleefully distributed all over the world.

But no mention of the scientific methods utilized in this 'survey'. I'm sure the cowards at the UN scoured the entire country. Riiiiight.

The UN will NEVER release a report on Iraq that makes the USA look successful in any way. It's too painful for them to watch freedom, democracy and prosperity taking root in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East, and have George Bush to thank for it.

WARNING

Knee-jerk levels approaching unsustainable levels, brainwashing almost complete, system deactivate

WARNING

[Avary]

Prior to the war leftists were saying this:


The UNICEF-supported Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey 2000 has shown that 30% of children under-five suffer from chronic malnutrition.

http://www.chicagomediawatch.org/02_1_sanction.shtml
and this:


The ensuing 14 years of economic and military warfare meant that by 2003: Iraq’s child malnutrition rate had escalated to approximately 30%.

http://vitw.org/archives/806

Now they are saying this:


Malnutrition rates in children under five have almost doubled since the US-led intervention - to nearly 8% by the end of last year, it says.

The report was prepared for the annual meeting of the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4395525.stm

So, in typical orwellian fashion, child malnutrition in Iraq went up from 30% to 8%.

Isn't that ideal?

[szr]

Strangely the same UN figures are being reported even by your state controlled American media todayThank you for confirming my suspicions that you are infact retarded. I can now skip over your posts with the peace of mind of knowing I'm not missing anything. :P

[anti_septic]

Strangely the same UN figures are being reported even by your state controlled American media todayThank you for confirming my suspicions that you are infact retarded. I can now skip over your posts with the peace of mind of knowing I'm not missing anything. :P

It'll be sooo hard but somehow one day I'll get over you ignoring me :(

[priccobe]

Prior to the war leftists were saying this:


The UNICEF-supported Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey 2000 has shown that 30% of children under-five suffer from chronic malnutrition.

http://www.chicagomediawatch.org/02_1_sanction.shtml
and this:


The ensuing 14 years of economic and military warfare meant that by 2003: Iraq’s child malnutrition rate had escalated to approximately 30%.

http://vitw.org/archives/806

Now they are saying this:


Malnutrition rates in children under five have almost doubled since the US-led intervention - to nearly 8% by the end of last year, it says.

The report was prepared for the annual meeting of the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4395525.stm

So, in typical orwellian fashion, child malnutrition in Iraq went up from 30% to 8%.

Isn't that ideal?
It's amazing how leftists, in their rush to condemn the US at any chance they can, will completely ignore established facts, hell, they'll even flat out LIE! Anything to make Bush look bad, no matter how far they have to go to get there...

I have some of the same type of info as above:

The headline, "Iraq Child Malnutrition Rates Cut by Two Thirds" has been abducted from the masthead of the British Broadcasting Service, and replaced with the misleading headline, "Children 'Starving' in New Iraq"

From today's BBC:

Increasing numbers of children in Iraq do not have enough food to eat and more than a quarter are chronically undernourished, a UN report says.
Malnutrition rates in children under five have almost doubled since the US-led intervention - to nearly 8% by the end of last year, it says.

In addition to the headline, several important and relevant facts were also reported missing from the story.

Among them was the 2000 report of a congressional Democrat and head of the Congressional Hunger Center:

But Rep. Tony Hall, D-Ohio, says Saddam Hussein's government must share the blame for not getting enough humanitarian aid to Iraqis suffering from malnutrition and disease.

Hall, who spent last week examining hospitals, schools, pharmacies and other facilities that serve Iraqi civilians, said he could verify reports estimating that more than 25 percent of Iraq's children are underweight and one-tenth are suffering from hunger and disease.


Second among the reported missing facts was a prewar United Nations report, cited by PeaceAction.org and countless other sites, which found that 25 percent of Iraqi children were malnourished during the final years of Saddam Hussein.

Investigators for Countercolumn have confirmed that the 8 percent malnutrition rate reported by the United Nations under the coalition government is less than one third of the 25 percent figure cited by UNICEF prior to the war, and taken as gospel by numerous progressive organizations calling for the lifting of the UN sanctions.

Investigators have ruled out charging BBC reporters and editors as well as United Nations diplomats with any crime, since anybody who's too stupid to figure out that today's 8 percent malnutrition rate is not double 25 percent malnutrition, as the BBC lede reports, cannot be held responsible for their actions as if they were, you know, sentient adults.
From here: http://iraqnow.blogspot.com/2005/03/amber-alert-another-missing-headline.html

[VeetVooja]

If you take the time to look up the unicef report (see for instance http://www.unicef.org/publications/files/pub_children_of_iraq_en.pdf ) you would see that the number used by your quoted (leftist...) sources is the chronic malnutrition rate in 2000, whereas the number reported by the media as having doubled is the acute malnutrition. (4% in 2002)

chronic malnutrition is not the same as acute malnutrition, as is explained in the report.

Chronic malnutrition has sunk to slightly more than a quarter according to the bbc news. Which acts to accentuate the rise in acute malnutrition, since a lower chronic malnutrition number means malnutrition has been falling in past years, and a rise in acute malnutrion now could very well lead to a rise in chronic malnutrition in coming years.

Also the organisation which you quote (voices in the wilderness) stands to gain from high numbers, as it supports their case via shock effect.


Investigators have ruled out charging BBC reporters and editors as well as United Nations diplomats with any crime, since anybody who's too stupid to figure out that today's 8 percent malnutrition rate is not double 25 percent malnutrition, as the BBC lede reports, cannot be held responsible for their actions as if they were, you know, sentient adults.

dumb, or lazy, investigators

[Deuterium]

Of course there is going to be a rise in malnutrition. Do you really think people are going to go to the shops to get food whilst there country is getting bombed into oblivian?

Do you really think people are going to go to the shops when there is every chance they will become victims of the insurgancy?

Common sense will tell you that people do not eat as much during war. Besides that, Iraqi infastructure is still f*** and can not transport as much foodstuffs around the county.

I get to drive around Iraq quite a lot. Apparently you don't go to any of the marketplaces I drive by. Being stuck in traffic around the market places is a daily occurrence. I've never taken a scientific study of the amount of people around the marketplaces but they appear to me to be always packed, and I mean packed. Maybe there are some CA folks who could offer some facts. Where are you stationed in Iraq? What places are you talking about?

[Legion]

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that the insurgency would be the main cause of any food shortage or lack of services. How many neighborhoods have US combat engineers had to come in a restore services in due to the fact it was too dangerous for civilians?
I'm of the opinion that it's Michael Moore's Minutemen that are causing the hunger problems.

[Weasel]

I have a strong felling that this thread will be turned into *I hate Europe VS I hate US* :|

Well that wasn't the intention but

... I do think Europe and the US are equally worthless :D

Lol :lol: you are damn right there mate. We are al Eurowussies or bushowussies woot

Cheers :D

Amiwussie would be Ok, but please not "bushowussie". p-)

[Laworkerbee]

Prior to the war leftists were saying this:


The UNICEF-supported Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey 2000 has shown that 30% of children under-five suffer from chronic malnutrition.

http://www.chicagomediawatch.org/02_1_sanction.shtml
and this:


The ensuing 14 years of economic and military warfare meant that by 2003: Iraq’s child malnutrition rate had escalated to approximately 30%.

http://vitw.org/archives/806

Now they are saying this:


Malnutrition rates in children under five have almost doubled since the US-led intervention - to nearly 8% by the end of last year, it says.

The report was prepared for the annual meeting of the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4395525.stm

So, in typical orwellian fashion, child malnutrition in Iraq went up from 30% to 8%.

Isn't that ideal?

Thanks Avary, your posts about Iraq amoung a few others around here, are the only ones I bother to take seriously

[BarkingSquirrel]

Prior to the war leftists were saying this:


The UNICEF-supported Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey 2000 has shown that 30% of children under-five suffer from chronic malnutrition.

http://www.chicagomediawatch.org/02_1_sanction.shtml
and this:


The ensuing 14 years of economic and military warfare meant that by 2003: Iraq’s child malnutrition rate had escalated to approximately 30%.

http://vitw.org/archives/806

Now they are saying this:


Malnutrition rates in children under five have almost doubled since the US-led intervention - to nearly 8% by the end of last year, it says.

The report was prepared for the annual meeting of the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4395525.stm

So, in typical orwellian fashion, child malnutrition in Iraq went up from 30% to 8%.

Isn't that ideal?Facts, schmacts. Who do you think you are to stop the commie circlejerk?

[askDNA]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4395525.stm

Looks like the US has failed the exam

Yeah I guess we also failed the exam in Germany, Japan and Italy. It wasn't all perfect after 1945 :fork:

[Avary]

Prior to the war leftists were saying this:


The UNICEF-supported Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey 2000 has shown that 30% of children under-five suffer from chronic malnutrition.

http://www.chicagomediawatch.org/02_1_sanction.shtml
and this:


The ensuing 14 years of economic and military warfare meant that by 2003: Iraq’s child malnutrition rate had escalated to approximately 30%.

http://vitw.org/archives/806

Now they are saying this:


Malnutrition rates in children under five have almost doubled since the US-led intervention - to nearly 8% by the end of last year, it says.

The report was prepared for the annual meeting of the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4395525.stm

So, in typical orwellian fashion, child malnutrition in Iraq went up from 30% to 8%.

Isn't that ideal?Facts, schmacts. Who do you think you are to stop the commie circlejerk?
Sorry, I was out of line :oops:

:lol:

[Kilgor]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4395525.stm

Looks like the US has failed the exam

Yeah I guess we also failed the exam in Germany, Japan and Italy. It wasn't all perfect after 1945 :fork:

yeah.. from memory there was cronic hunger well after ww2 in german and japan and even britian had to continue the ration system for a long time.

Where are the UN in iraq, handing out food and supplies. Oh thats right, they ran like pussies after their compound got blown up never to return. So all they can do now is critise by proxy.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Of course there is going to be a rise in malnutrition. Do you really think people are going to go to the shops to get food whilst there country is getting bombed into oblivian?

Do you really think people are going to go to the shops when there is every chance they will become victims of the insurgancy?

Common sense will tell you that people do not eat as much during war. Besides that, Iraqi infastructure is still f*** and can not transport as much foodstuffs around the county.

I get to drive around Iraq quite a lot. Apparently you don't go to any of the marketplaces I drive by. Being stuck in traffic around the market places is a daily occurrence. I've never taken a scientific study of the amount of people around the marketplaces but they appear to me to be always packed, and I mean packed. Maybe there are some CA folks who could offer some facts. Where are you stationed in Iraq? What places are you talking about?

I was just talking about war in general. And trying to give a reason why malnutrition occurs. ;)

[Frogg]

.

Rebuttal article (if interested).....



Posted on Thu, Mar. 31, 2005

U.S. denies U.N. claim Iraqis malnourished

By BRADLEY S. KLAPPER

Associated Press

GENEVA - The U.S. human rights delegation Thursday rejected a U.N. monitor's claim that child malnutrition had risen in Iraq and said, if anything, health conditions have improved since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

Jean Ziegler, the U.N. Human Right Commission's expert on the right to food, cited U.S. and European studies Wednesday in telling the commission that acute malnutrition rates among Iraqi children under 5 rose late last year to 7.7 percent from 4 percent after Saddam's ouster in April 2003. Ziegler blamed the war for the situation.

"First, he has not been to Iraq, and second, he is wrong," said Kevin E. Moley, U.S. ambassador to U.N. organizations in Geneva and a member of the American delegation to the 53-nation U.N. Human Rights Commission.

"He's taking some information that is in itself difficult to validate and juxtaposing his own views - which are widely known," Moley said, referring to Ziegler's opposition to the U.S. military intervention in the country.

Moley rejected the rate cited by Ziegler and said malnutrition in Iraq was notoriously difficult to gauge. He noted that some estimates had put it at 11 percent in 1996 and 7.8 percent in 2000, while Saddam was still in power.

"The surveys that have been taken ... have indicated that the recent rise in malnutrition rates began between 2002 and 2003 under the regime of Saddam Hussein," Moley said.

"If anything, vaccination, food aid ... has improved dramatically since the fall of Saddam Hussein," he added.

Ziegler told the commission that more than a quarter of Iraqi children don't get enough to eat.

The U.S. delegation said it hoped the U.N.commission will instead focus on the world's worst human rights violators. It said it planned to lodge resolutions asking the commission to condemn abuses by two such countries, Cuba and Belarus.

Censure by the commission involves no penalties but draws attention to a country's record.

Former Sen. Rudy Boschwitz, who is chairing the American delegation, said such countries should also be ineligible to sit on the commission.
"The commission must be made up of firefighters, not of arsonists," he said.

Boschwitz, a Republican senator from Minnesota from 1979 until 1991, cited a report released Thursday by the U.S. campaign group Freedom House, which said that six of the world's most repressive regimes are on the U.N. panel that is supposed to uphold human rights.

China, Cuba, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Zimbabwe, which have "dire human rights situations," work in concert to prevent the commission from combatting abuses, said a statement by the private group based in Washington, D.C.

The report was released in Geneva to coincide with the annual six-week meeting of the U.N. commission.

"Rather than serving as the proper international forum for identifying and publicly censuring the world's most egregious human rights violators, the (commission) instead protects abusers, enabling them to sit in judgment on democratic states that honor and respect the rule of law," said Jennifer Windsor, Freedom House's executive director.

Other members of the commission include countries that Freedom House classifies as "not free," including Bhutan, Egypt, Guinea, Mauritania, Pakistan, Qatar, Russia, Swaziland and Togo.

Windsor welcomed U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan's proposal to create a body consisting of members with the highest human rights standards.

(Associated Press Writer Alexander G. Higgins contributed to this report.)
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/world/11279608.htm

[Frogg]

These Iraqi kids (http://billhobbs.com/hobbsonline/005761.html) look pretty healthy and cared for to me!

[Knutsen]

Malnutrition has to be worse, because the poor Iraqis are no longer getting the benefit of the benevolent UN Oil for Food program, right?? LOL I'd love to see the 'science' the cowards at the UN employed to survey the child population of Iraq.

Iraq will be prosperous and free, and the UN can't stand it. HILARIOUS!!

This debate has become kind of sterile, so please if you have nothing constructive to say or a good answer/argument/fact agains this article don't start this flame.

I see you're new , but there have been enough flames and insults discussing about Iraq, the UN......

btw, welcome to the forum and ... FEAR THE EUROWUSSIES (i'm a proud moember of them )


Hmmm?? What FACTS? The article simply states a rise in child malnutrition, with NO supporting evidence. Typical UN Bullcrap.

The simple fact is: Iraq will be a prosperous democracy, no thanks to the UN. So they periodically come out with another BULLCRAP study that says everythings terrible to try to make the US look bad, which is then dutifully reported by the UN-loving European media.

It's a shame you're too brainwashed and deprived of facts by the European media to form an objective opinion.

You just proved that debating with you is completely sterile. I asked you to give facts (it was not that hard, some people here like Avary did it) but you chose the easy way of the personal attack. Well, i guess it's not insulting me cause i'm 100% biased and brainwashed and you're completely right and don't have to prove what you say cause it's an unquestionable truth........
I'm amazed of the amount of information you got from my simple post in which i didn't state any of my opinions about Iraq (although i've done it in previous posts).


I was just talking about war in general. And trying to give a reason why malnutrition occurs.

I don't think malnutrition should be blamed to the US, i mean, war leads to these kind of things , but the truth is that with Saddam people were not living in the country of chocolate and lollypop (the embargo helped a lot).