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Legion
03-31-2005, 02:57 PM
Is there any real hope anybody could beat the 2 party system?

I hear rumors that Jesse Ventura is thinking of a run for President. I have done quite a bit of reading and he seems like the person who would most represent the views I have. I know he shocked a lot of people when he won in Minnesota, but would he have a real shot at the White House?

http://www.issues2000.org/Jesse_Ventura.htm

TheBlackPrince
03-31-2005, 03:27 PM
I don't know much about jesse ventura besides he was a cool wrestler and played an excellent part in predator.

How was his performance as govenor of minnesota?

His views seem okay, some i agree with, others I don't. He has character- which i respect- bush and kerry lack that big time. I always figured he won his ticked (like arnold- venician weight lifters don't get voted into government everyday) on the fact that he's famous. I believe new york's former mayor giuliani would be a much better canidate for president (even though he is of the 2 party system) He has statistics which back his policy to the max and are quite impressive in light of the way other organisations perform. The COMPSTAT and "responsibility/accountability" programs he put in place were ingenious and his organisation worked like machinery. Definatley better than any other "possible" canidate out there right now.

Oh and to answer your question, I'd definatley vote for an independent. I trust independents mroe than i do both the democrat and republican parties.

Werewolf01
03-31-2005, 03:29 PM
I ahte the Democratic Party. I hate the Republicans very marginally less. Please God, please send us an independent.......

askDNA
03-31-2005, 04:14 PM
I plan on voting 3rd party for the Texas Governorship next year. I voted a Republican-party ticket during 2004 but our Republican governor is a disgrace.

http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/kinkyviews.html (Probably voting for him)

Laworkerbee
03-31-2005, 05:49 PM
RepubliCrats woot

fdt
03-31-2005, 05:53 PM
RepubliCrats wootRepubliCrats vs DemoliCans

Eat a bullet
03-31-2005, 05:54 PM
RepubliCrats woot
Heh, I was going to say that.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

Buckeye67
03-31-2005, 05:55 PM
I'd vote for an independent, but not for Mr Ventura:


So I support waiting periods and training requirements for gun ownership

That's a vote-killer for me.

formerLT
03-31-2005, 05:59 PM
I voted for Perot twice. Some say thats 50% sucker ;) ... but hey I liked the guy.

Dennis G
03-31-2005, 06:00 PM
"libertarian" sure.

Legion
03-31-2005, 06:01 PM
I'd vote for an independent, but not for Mr Ventura:


So I support waiting periods and training requirements for gun ownership

That's a vote-killer for me.

Wow, when did he say that?

Buckeye67
03-31-2005, 06:04 PM
It's in here:

http://www.issues2000.org/Governor/Jesse_Ventura_Gun_Control.htm

Legion
03-31-2005, 06:12 PM
It's in here:

http://www.issues2000.org/Governor/Jesse_Ventura_Gun_Control.htm

Yeah that part is BS.

Durandal
03-31-2005, 08:06 PM
Is there any real hope anybody could beat the 2 party system?

I hear rumors that Jesse Ventura is thinking of a run for President. I have done quite a bit of reading and he seems like the person who would most represent the views I have. I know he shocked a lot of people when he won in Minnesota, but would he have a real shot at the White House?

http://www.issues2000.org/Jesse_Ventura.htm

I liked Jesse when he ran and won the governorship in Minnesota. I like a lot of what he stands for and agree with a majority of his opinions on issues and what is wrong with things.

Hey, I am a Libertarian after all...

However, he sucked in Minnesota. In a couple interviews he even claimed he got bored. It showed too.

I do not want to elect a man that will get bored with the presidency.

Edit: I do not tolerate his gun control stance (drives me nuts when these guys like Jesse and McCain screw the pooch on that issue) and his fairly verbal disregard for people's personal faiths...mainly organized religion. I am agnostic. I have little faith, but I support other people's freedom to worship as they please be it in a church or in a field. His respect is questionable...that is a big no-no in my book...just as much as a single faith government is).

MEGR
03-31-2005, 08:15 PM
Good question.

I myself am a registered Republican. However, I lean more independent on some issues and wouldn't mind voting that way.

I'm actually thinking about voting Libertarian next election. But, that may depend on who's running.

(P.S. I'll never, ever, ever vote green party)

askDNA
03-31-2005, 09:13 PM
Good question.

I myself am a registered Republican. However, I lean more independent on some issues and wouldn't mind voting that way.

I'm actually thinking about voting Libertarian next election. But, that may depend on who's running.

(P.S. I'll never, ever, ever vote green party)

Why not Green? No other party is willing to take the necessary steps to stop this country from an unsustainable resources policy.

MEGR
03-31-2005, 11:07 PM
I don't share their views concerning and Global Warming. I also believe in exploration in places such as ANWR and elsewhere. That's just their environmental. I also disagree with their approach to foreign policy and certain social issues.

James
04-01-2005, 12:54 AM
I would vote for the right independent. In 1996 I voted for Ross Perot. :|

molly747
04-01-2005, 01:33 AM
Well, I only have 2 Presidential voting experiences, but I'd vote for the candidate I felt best represented my needs and my country's. I voted for Bush both times, but I'm not completely enamored over the man or his administration, nor am I happy with the GOP finding Jesus. But I'm not going to bash Bush just for the sake of it. I guess I'm more of a "Libertarian Republican."

I'm reeeeeally tired of partisanship. It's all starting to look like a high school election. "Them against us."

askDNA
04-01-2005, 01:37 AM
All elections will be between a douche and a turd, you just gotta pick the better :|

Durandal
04-01-2005, 07:48 AM
Why not Green? No other party is willing to take the necessary steps to stop this country from an unsustainable resources policy.

And blow our economy to dust.

Greens are greens. If you think the environment is the SOLE issue than fine.

Its not.

Greens are extreme in their environmentalism. I could just see them outlawing GM crops.

ElHombre
04-01-2005, 03:41 PM
I plan on voting 3rd party for the Texas Governorship next year. I voted a Republican-party ticket during 2004 but our Republican governor is a disgrace.

http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/kinkyviews.html (Probably voting for him)

woot one for the kinkster! :lol:

askDNA
04-02-2005, 01:27 AM
Why not Green? No other party is willing to take the necessary steps to stop this country from an unsustainable resources policy.

And blow our economy to dust.

Greens are greens. If you think the environment is the SOLE issue than fine.

Its not.

Greens are extreme in their environmentalism. I could just see them outlawing GM crops.

NO economies are going to be able to run if people don't start taking care of the environment. And I never said I wanted Greens to run the executive and legislative branches. I'd prefer a multiple-party government in the US instead of this choice between poop and diarrhea. I just think that the Greens need to have more say AND reform their own party to be more realistic, such as shifting from oil to natural gas while funding renewable energy projects. I also don't agree with their social and foreign policy stances but they do make a very important case when it concerns the environment. Hell, without them, every river and lake in the US would be completely polluted and our air would be like 19th century London.

RGRBOX
04-02-2005, 08:52 AM
I would support an Independent, if they showed guile, and would stick by the people. Ross Perot was a disgrace, and the last guy only help spoil it for the Demo****s. We need someone who will be out there fighting, kicking ass and has what it takes to turn the US around. Then I would support him or her 110%.

Wodan
04-02-2005, 09:16 AM
Can somebody tell me which party I would have to vote in the USA if this are the things I want:

- unrestrictive gun laws
- pro environment protection
- anti abortion of non-disabled
- pro free speech
- anti too much immigration
- pro state controlled social security
- pro christianity
- pro familiy and high birth rates
- pro miliatry just for defence, and not international usage

Werewolf01
04-02-2005, 11:11 AM
Can somebody tell me which party I would have to vote in the USA if this are the things I want:

- unrestrictive gun laws
- pro environment protection
- anti abortion of non-disabled
- pro free speech
- anti too much immigration
- pro state controlled social security
- pro christianity
- pro familiy and high birth rates
- pro miliatry just for defence, and not international usage

Libertarian. I am a member. It not that they support ALL of what you have listed above, but they do feel that you as an individual, should be able to live your life the way you see fit, with a very minimal lavel of government interference. Think of the Libertarian Party as what the Democrats pretend they are the party of personal freedom.

formerLT
04-02-2005, 11:48 AM
The Green party would kill our economy in the name of enviromentalism. They are also a shade left of socialists when it comes to foreign policy.

Ironically one of the biggest problems facing the US IS our dependence on foreign oil. If left unchecked it's rising costs will destroy our economy just like the Greens would.

What we need is more cooperation between the parties, less corporate influence which means returning the Govt. to "by the people for the people", and a serious bi-partisan effort to chart a new energy policy and seriously pursue new better energy sources.

We're headed for a train wreck as things stand now.

askDNA
04-02-2005, 11:54 AM
Can somebody tell me which party I would have to vote in the USA if this are the things I want:

- unrestrictive gun laws
- pro environment protection
- anti abortion of non-disabled
- pro free speech
- anti too much immigration
- pro state controlled social security
- pro christianity
- pro familiy and high birth rates
- pro miliatry just for defence, and not international usage

Libertarian. I am a member. It not that they support ALL of what you have listed above, but they do feel that you as an individual, should be able to live your life the way you see fit, with a very minimal lavel of government interference. Think of the Libertarian Party as what the Democrats pretend they are the party of personal freedom.

Woudln't Libertarian's want very little environmental regulation because that goes against a free economy? The party says it has no problems with abortion and would want very lax borders to open up the country to free trade. They DEFINITELY do not want a state controlled Social Security, they don't want it at all. And I don't know about them being Pro-Christian.

BlackFlag
04-02-2005, 01:43 PM
I say James earl Jones runs...think...We would never have to go to war...all he would have to do is hold a press conference and in his Darth Vader voice scare the bejesus out of N. Korea/Iran whomever...

RGRBOX
04-02-2005, 03:22 PM
The Green party would kill our economy in the name of enviromentalism. They are also a shade left of socialists when it comes to foreign policy.

Ironically one of the biggest problems facing the US IS our dependence on foreign oil. If left unchecked it's rising costs will destroy our economy just like the Greens would.

What we need is more cooperation between the parties, less corporate influence which means returning the Govt. to "by the people for the people", and a serious bi-partisan effort to chart a new energy policy and seriously pursue new better energy sources.

We're headed for a train wreck as things stand now.

This may be easier to revolt then to get the politics in America to follow, but I aggree...

gaijinsamurai
04-02-2005, 05:11 PM
No Independent or third-party candidate will be winning a US presidential election anytime in the near future. Some would argue that voting for such candidates is throwing your vote away. However, I believe both parties need to be shaken up, and I think 3rd party candidates show the leadership of the Republicans and Democrats that they had better start taking the average American voter seriously.
I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, because I couldn't, in good consience, give my vote to either Bush or Gore (I would have, however, voted for McCain or Bradley!). Last year, I didn't support Nader because I felt there were too many important issues at stake to waste my vote on a "political statement", even though I couldn't stand Kerry or Bush.

Wodan
04-02-2005, 05:23 PM
Can somebody tell me which party I would have to vote in the USA if this are the things I want:

- unrestrictive gun laws
- pro environment protection
- anti abortion of non-disabled
- pro free speech
- anti too much immigration
- pro state controlled social security
- pro christianity
- pro familiy and high birth rates
- pro miliatry just for defence, and not international usage


Libertarian. I am a member. It not that they support ALL of what you have listed above, but they do feel that you as an individual, should be able to live your life the way you see fit, with a very minimal lavelf government interference. Think of the Libertarian Party as what the Democrats pretend they are the party of personal freedom.

really?

let me see:


- unrestrictive gun laws (personal freedom, yes)
- pro environment protection (against economical freedom, no)
- anti abortion of non-disabled (against personal freedom, no)
- pro free speech (personal freedom, yes)
- anti too much immigration (against foreigners personal freedom, no)
- pro state controlled social security (they are against social security at all, no)
- pro christianity (they dont support, nor fight it, neutral, as I said pro, this is a no, cuz its different)
- pro familiy and high birth rates (they dont care on it, no)
- pro miliatry just for defence, and not international usage (yes)


so its 1/3 like my wishes, 2/3 against them

I guess its not a party for me..

CarlosI
04-02-2005, 05:38 PM
- unrestrictive gun laws
- pro environment protection
- anti abortion of non-disabled
- pro free speech
- anti too much immigration
- pro state controlled social security
- pro christianity
- pro familiy and high birth rates
- pro miliatry just for defence, and not international usage

Most of this would be Republican Party issues. Pro Christianity, pro family, anti abortion, and pro military even though there are used international.

Closet third party group to this would be the consitution party. Even though i know little of this group besides its stances on religion and social issues.