Congratulations to Germany on yet another new record

[Jeremiah]

March 31 (Bloomberg) -- Germany's unemployment rate rose to a postwar record of 12 percent in March as the economy, Europe's biggest, struggled to rebound from a contraction in the fourth quarter and companies cut jobs in response to slowing demand.

The jobless rate, adjusted for seasonal swings, increased from 11.7 percent in February, the Nuremberg-based Federal Labor Agency said today. Economists expected the rate to rise to 11.9 percent, the median of 26 forecasts in a Bloomberg survey showed. The number of job seekers rose by 92,000 in March to 4.97 million. It was the 14th straight monthly increase.

``We have no choice but to cut jobs,'' Burkhard Schuchmann, chief executive officer of Vossloh AG, a German train-equipment supplier, said in an interview. Vossloh, which employed 4,480 people at the end of 2004, plans to eliminate 180 jobs at its plant in the northern city of Kiel. ``It is a necessary adjustment in an environment that has become more volatile.''

Rising unemployment in Germany is weighing on consumer spending and threatening prospects for economic growth. It is also hurting support for Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, whose Social Democratic Party may lose a regional election in Germany's most populous state in May, according to opinion polls.

German business confidence fell to an 18-month low in March, the Munich-based Ifo economic research institute said last week, and four of the country's six main research institutes this month cut their predictions for growth this year to as little as 0.6 percent, compared with expansion of 1.6 percent in 2004.

`No Wonder'

``The economy is in anything but a convincing state and sentiment is muted across the board,'' said Klaus Schruefer, an economist at SEB AG in Frankfurt. ``No wonder companies aren't hiring.''

Labor Agency Vice-President Heinrich Alt told a news conference in Nuremberg today the institutes' forecasts ``can at best stabilize unemployment and won't be enough to create jobs.''

Unemployment in France, the second-largest economy of the 12 nations sharing the euro, rose by 4,000 to 2.76 million in February, keeping the jobless rate at a five-year high of 10.1 percent, the Labor Ministry said today. French business confidence unexpectedly dropped to a 15-month low in March, the government said March 29.

Record oil prices, the euro's gains against the dollar and the lack of a recovery in consumer spending have eroded growth in Europe. The European Commission will probably cut its forecast for 2005 growth in the euro region to 1.7 percent from 2 percent, according to economists including Merrill Lynch & Co.'s Ian Stewart. The commission releases its new forecast on April 4.

U.S. Payrolls

By contrast, the U.S. economy is forecast by economists to grow 3.6 percent this year. U.S. payrolls probably grew by 220,000 in March, following a 262,000 increase in February, according to the median forecast of 73 economists in a Bloomberg News survey before the Labor Department's report tomorrow.

Deutsche Bank AG, Germany's biggest bank, Deutsche Telekom AG, Europe's largest phone company, and Infineon Technologies AG, Europe's No. 2 chipmaker, are among companies reducing their workforce in Germany or moving jobs abroad.

Schroeder, whose party has lost support in all 10 regional elections since he won a second term in September 2002, said March 17 he wants to cut the corporate-tax rate to spur growth and help stem the loss of jobs to Eastern Europe, where the tax burden is half the German level.

`Tough Winter'

Around 50,000 of the extra jobless in March were due to colder weather ``which delayed the normal seasonal reduction in unemployment,'' the Labor Agency said.

``We had a tough winter in the first two weeks of March,'' said Schruefer. ``The impact of the weather on outdoor employment, such as in construction and the restaurant and tourism sector, may have been quite severe.''

Still, the unadjusted number of jobless, which rose above 5 million for the first time since World War II in January, fell 41,000 to 5.18 million in March, while the seasonally adjusted number of those in work rose 10,000 in February, the sixth straight monthly increase. Employment figures lag behind those for unemployment by one month.

Economy and Labor Minister Wolfgang Clement told a news conference in Berlin today that ``from now on, the trend of the unemployment figures will be down.'' He forecast that ``we will get below the 5 million level this spring.''

Germany's BDB banking association, which today said that early indicators suggest the economy returned to growth in the first quarter, forecast that seasonally adjusted unemployment will decline ``slightly'' in the second half.

Labor-Market Changes

Jobless registers have been swelled since the start of the year by a new law which brought 380,000 former social-welfare recipients back to the job market. Under the legislation, the unemployed face benefit cuts if they reject job offers.

In a bid to spur retail spending after three years of decline, Schroeder's government cut income taxes by 6.5 billion euros ($8.4 billion) from the start of the year.

For unemployment to drop enough to boost consumer spending, ``a lot will have to change in Germany, and it's only just started,'' said Rolf-Dieter Schwalb, chief financial officer of Beiersdorf AG, the maker of Nivea skin creams. Schwalb said his company isn't planning to increase hiring this year.

Seven weeks before elections in North Rhine-Westphalia, a state the Social Democrats have ruled for four decades, voters' backing for Schroeder's party is waning.

In an interview with the Italian newspaper la Repubblica published today, Schroeder said the rise in unemployment had ``played its role'' in the loss of support.

Opinion Polls

Polling company Forsa, in a survey for Stern magazine and RTL television published yesterday, found nationwide support for the Social Democrats at a six-month low of 28 percent, 18 percentage points behind the opposition Christian Democratic Union, with 18 months to go before the next national election. The survey of 2,008 voters conducted March 21 to March 24 had a margin of error of 2.5 percentage points.

An Infratest-Dimap poll for ARD television conducted March 15 to March 17 showed the Social Democrats on 35 percent in North Rhine-Westphalia to the CDU's 42 percent. The survey of 1,000 voters had a margin of error of 1.4 to 3.1 percentage points.

``The labor market is locked into a messy transition; it's Schroeder's biggest nightmare,'' said Uwe Andersen, a politics professor at the University of Bochum, in an interview. ``Voters are losing faith with the government in a big way; they want proof that reforms are working.''

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000100&sid=a.OtjUqGsLa0&refer=germany

[Frogg]

Eurozone's woes grow as leading economies bog down

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard (Filed: 01/04/2005)


The eurozone business climate plunged in March for the second month following grim data from Germany, France and Italy.

The monthly index released by the European Commission yesterday turned negative for the first time in a year as higher oil prices and the strong euro took their toll. There was sharp fall in order books, especially for exports.

The European Central Bank has already cut its growth forecast for 2005 to 1.6pc from 2.3pc but is unlikely to come to the rescue soon with lower interest rates.

Ominously, the eurozone slowdown comes despite bulging fiscal deficits and a stubbornly high inflation rate of 2.1pc, causing ECB officials to fret over a possible return to 1970s 'stagflation' - a combination of slow economic growth and rising prices.

Euroframe, an EU-wide umbrella group of research institutes, yesterday predicted 1.5pc growth for 2005 but cited further risks from any further appreciation of the euro against the dollar and linked currencies in Asia.

"This faltering recovery will move the euro area back towards rates more in line with its estimated potential after almost half a decade of under-achievement," it said.

A string of European companies have warned that profits margins are shrivelling up as hedge positions taken out to protect against the weak dollar gradually run out. The Eads aerospace conglomerate said that a sustained euro exchange rate above $1.30 would have a severe impact.

The latest drop in confidence dashes hopes for a robust recovery this year and leaves Europe trailing ever further behind the Anglo-Saxon economies led by America, Canada and Britain.

The US economy roared ahead with 4.4pc growth last year while the eurozone's fragile expansion stalled abruptly in the second half. The US Commerce Department expects 3.7pc growth this year.

In Germany, the government admitted yesterday that unemployment had jumped yet again in March, to 12pc. Much of the rise this year has been caused by Chancellor Gerhard Schroder's Harz-IV labour reforms, which shift workers from the welfare rolls on to the unemployment register but the effect has traumatised German consumers.

The French economy also sputtered in March after serving as the eurozone's growth engine over recent months. France's INSEE business confidence index has dropped to the lowest level for 15 months.

In Italy, the Berlusconi government has revised its GDP forecast down from 2.1pc to 1.5pc for 2005 in the face of plunging exports and fierce Chinese competition in the textile sector.

Italy has lost a quarter of its world export share over the past five years, leading to a trade deficit for the first time in a generation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2005/04/01/cnezone01.xml&sSheet=/money/2005/04/01/ixcity.html

[dunkin]

Then you want to add on the U.S. military pulling out (they employ thousands of locals) within the next few years, I feel Europe is in for some hard times in the near future!

[Uhlan]

What the Krauts need is a good strong leader who can lead them out of their problems....yikes, what am I saying!?

[BigBaribal]

And there are still people repeating like brain-less sheep that massive immigration is needed, even with such a big unemployement number. They should re-learn history, angry people without job can sometimes act very harshly.

[Luno]

What the Krauts need is a good strong leader who can lead them out of their problems....yikes, what am I saying!?

And we gone see the Bundeswehr go berserk in Europe again

[Cambridge Rabbit]

What the Krauts need is a good strong leader who can lead them out of their problems....yikes, what am I saying!?

OFF TOPIC: Which illustration did you take your avatar from? It looks really, really familiar.

Oh, and I'd like to use it as my own when you're finished with it. :lol:

[stephane from Paris]

WORLD ECONOMIC CRISIS
Before sept11, all western countries had lower uneployment and good economic views!
After, specially with OIF, we saw the rise of oil price and like in the 70's, all our economies down! The 70's crisis was far harder but West passed it, this one will pass too if oil price down!

USA is a different market, the debt is the higher in history and war support industries!

[Uhlan]

Can be found here, lots of great pics. Look good on the desktop.

http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/tafeln/knoetel.html

http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/tafeln/knoe15/knoe15_56.jpg

[Flagg]

I would love to have the opportunity to live in Europe, but I wouldn't want to try and run a business there.

Europe, on average, does a terrible job of nurturing and incubating new business growth.

Lots of people out of work, make it EASY for them to work for themselves.

If even mediocre effort if focused on small business creation it will go a long way in reducing unemployment and sparking innovation,

High taxes, mandatory benefits that choke new business formation to death, beaurocracy, and a culture that fails to encourage entrepreneurship are the problems from my perspective.

[Uhlan]

I agree Flagg, far to many rules and restrictions stifle business growth. Much better to let the marketplace run itself and produce responsible companies like Enron, Worldcom, and Anderson.

[anti_septic]

Germany is still suffering from absorbing the completely defunct economy of the GDR.

Thats it. End of story.

Mind you bringing in the Euro didn't help! That was plain daft.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Same thing happened in Japan. China, Vietnam, Malaysia, indonesia have all opened up their economies thus resulting in the major player having a downturn in employment due to cheaper labour in these developing countries.

In Europes case the affects of the callapse of the Soviet Union are much much worse since these countries have massive factory output withought demand. French, German, Italian companies look to the east for new markets and a cheaper industrial base due to low wages, safety standards, etc.

[roland]

WORLD ECONOMIC CRISIS
Before sept11, all western countries had lower uneployment and good economic views!
After, specially with OIF, we saw the rise of oil price and like in the 70's, all our economies down! The 70's crisis was far harder but West passed it, this one will pass too if oil price down!

USA is a different market, the debt is the higher in history and war support industries!

comon we know perfectly how to fight unemployment: just look at the other side of the channel.
We are in the same situation like Britain before Thatcher. Time to see the reality like the Britons did. Unfortunately we see the light only when in the dark, lets hope we'll not going to react too late, once we got "Argentinized". I'm speaking for France but German's problems are almost exactly the same.

[RGRBOX]

Growth here is too slow. The laws that govern Europe has too much red tape involved. "French". The Euro is strong but the price is too great. People are buying over here, but since the end of the East Pact and the merge of the east and west Germany, Germany can't rebound. It will take time, but the question with all of the immegration and the jobless rate going up,will Europe and Germany have time. The Right is growing stronger and no matter how much brainwashing the German People have had for the last 60 years about how bad they've been is going to stop it. I just hope that they get ride of the bastard running the country and let someone else have a crack at it. Or the German that we know could turn into something else.

[roland]

Growth here is too slow. The laws that govern Europe has too much red tape involved. "French". ...
What's this "French" is doing here ? do you mean that it's "French" fault if there is unemployment in Germany ?

[askDNA]

I just hope that they get ride of the bastard running the country and let someone else have a crack at it. Or the German that we know could turn into something else.

Yeah, Turkey :|

[Weasel]

What the Krauts need is a good strong leader who can lead them out of their problems....yikes, what am I saying!?

And we gone see the Bundeswehr go berserk in Europe again

Again? The Bundeswehr never berserked in Europe or somewhere else. ;)

[szr]

I agree Flagg, far to many rules and restrictions stifle business growth. Much better to let the marketplace run itself and produce responsible companies like Enron, Worldcom, and Anderson.Yes, three fine examples of small business that Flagg was talking about--oh, wait..

[RGRBOX]

Growth here is too slow. The laws that govern Europe has too much red tape involved. "French". ...
What's this "French" is doing here ? do you mean that it's "French" fault if there is unemployment in Germany ?

No, just running the EU. The situation with the EU, the Euro and the desisions being made from Brussels that have helped in hampering the German economy and some other European neighbors. The French get what they want in the EU... they force other countries with the help of some to go to extremes to meet the EU demands... And in France unemployment pays and it pays well... this along with the tight controls that put on others. This EU thing just isn't really equal for all, except the French... That's the French thing.. but not all of it...

[RGRBOX]

I just hope that they get ride of the bastard running the country and let someone else have a crack at it. Or the German that we know could turn into something else.

Yeah, Turkey :|

you forgot Israel...

[usa320]

IMHO, the best way to end unemployment, is to cut unemployment benefits completely for a period of time. You would be surprised how fast the lazy ****s will get a job when they can no longer live at the expense of the tax payers.

[S'13]

I just hope that they get ride of the bastard running the country and let someone else have a crack at it. Or the German that we know could turn into something else.

Yeah, Turkey :|

you forgot Israel...

What does Israel have to do with anything? :|

[Weasel]

IMHO, the best way to end unemployment, is to cut unemployment benefits completely for a period of time. You would be surprised how fast the lazy f*** will get a job when they can no longer live at the expense of the tax payers.

Because all unemployed are lazy. :roll:

[Roaming East]

No, but as my TI once told me you'd be surprised how much can be done with a little proper motivation.


Perhaps an increase in their sense of urgency IS called for

[Weasel]

No, but as my TI once told me you'd be surprised how much can be done with a little proper motivation.


Perhaps an increase in their sense of urgency IS called for

BS. Unemployed people get some money, but it´s not so much that you can have a very good life. You can´t get rich with this money. 90 % of the unemployed want to work.

Me, myself and I also searched for two years until I found a job.

[Macs.]

IMHO, the best way to end unemployment, is to cut unemployment benefits completely for a period of time. You would be surprised how fast the lazy f*** will get a job when they can no longer live at the expense of the tax payers.

Because all unemployed are lazy. :roll:

Actually, that was a problem we had until HARTZ 4, unemployed people did get WAY to much money. (Some lived better off their unemployment money, than actually go work.)


And there is only one thing we need to get our Economics going again, and this is another goverment, and not those socialist pigs. And soon they will get theire fat asses kicked out of the goverment.

[Weasel]

IMHO, the best way to end unemployment, is to cut unemployment benefits completely for a period of time. You would be surprised how fast the lazy f*** will get a job when they can no longer live at the expense of the tax payers.

Because all unemployed are lazy. :roll:

Actually, that was a problem we had until HARTZ 4, unemployed people did get WAY to much money. (Some lived better off their unemployment money, than actually go work.)


And there is only one thing we need to get our Economics going again, and this is another goverment, and not those socialist pigs. And soon they will get theire fat asses kicked out of the goverment.

I disagree. I don´t see a better alternative to the current government.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Good lord, 12 percent unemployment-that's terrible. In the US, they'd surround the Whitehouse with pitchforks and torches with numbers like that. I hope they can pull out of their economic problems soon - numbers like that have a way of pissing off the general population, causing real trouble.

[foxtrot023]

Good lord, 12 percent unemployment-that's terrible. In the US, they'd surround the Whitehouse with pitchforks and torches with numbers like that. I hope they can pull out of their economic problems soon - numbers like that have a way of pissing off the general population, causing real trouble.

and we have historical hind sight that tell us what happens when we get a bunch of angry out-of-work germans..................

[Weasel]

Good lord, 12 percent unemployment-that's terrible. In the US, they'd surround the Whitehouse with pitchforks and torches with numbers like that. I hope they can pull out of their economic problems soon - numbers like that have a way of pissing off the general population, causing real trouble.

and we have historical hind sight that tell us what happens when we get a bunch of angry out-of-work germans..................

Slow down, little Jedi knight. :P

[Macs.]

IMHO, the best way to end unemployment, is to cut unemployment benefits completely for a period of time. You would be surprised how fast the lazy f*** will get a job when they can no longer live at the expense of the tax payers.

Because all unemployed are lazy. :roll:

Actually, that was a problem we had until HARTZ 4, unemployed people did get WAY to much money. (Some lived better off their unemployment money, than actually go work.)


And there is only one thing we need to get our Economics going again, and this is another goverment, and not those socialist pigs. And soon they will get theire fat asses kicked out of the goverment.

I disagree. I don´t see a better alternative to the current government.

Are you serious ? Our economic is stuck, and we have the highest unemployment rate since Hitler.

Sorry, but you sound like you have no Idea of what is going on with the economic in this country. Of course, the CDU/CSU is not the perfect party,but 1000 times bettern then those socialist who have gotten us in to this trouble.


and we have historical hind sight that tell us what happens when we get a bunch of angry out-of-work germans..................

Well, the NPD is already on the rise, and the more unemployments there are, the more the people get extreme.

[Flagg]

I agree Flagg, far to many rules and restrictions stifle business growth. Much better to let the marketplace run itself and produce responsible companies like Enron, Worldcom, and Anderson.

How very droll.......

I'm thinking along the lines of companies employing LESS than 100 staff.....NOT bloated state subsidized enterprises.

[Flagg]

IMHO, the best way to end unemployment, is to cut unemployment benefits completely for a period of time. You would be surprised how fast the lazy f*** will get a job when they can no longer live at the expense of the tax payers.

You can't be serious......

And you're in business?

How would the millions living on the dole, SUDDENLY without ANY income be expected to pay rent, and buy food?

Increasing the SUPPLY of workers when DEMAND for them is at a 50 years low would only magnify the problem.....try again :roll:

[Wodan]

and we have historical hind sight that tell us what happens when we get a bunch of angry out-of-work germans..................

Well, the NPD is already on the rise, and the more unemployments there are, the more the people get extreme.

the biggest danger I see on this topic, is the forlornness of many young people that come out of school, I am in the 10th grade, much people get far right attitudes, and those are more than just 10%....



I think germany needs a strong leader like Stoiber, Stoiber has the solutions, and he could turn round far-right youngsters to democratic partys, cuz of that I think:

http://www.jugend-fuer-stoiber.de/

[wholagun]

German economic woes are in large part due to reunification. Billions if not trillions of euros were pumped into East Germany post Cold War.

[Wodan]

German economic woes are in large part due to reunification. Billions if not trillions of euros were pumped into East Germany post Cold War.

officially 500 billion euro (but the guess of some magazines and newspapers is four times of that)

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Pitty the rest of the west (America, France) dont realise that

[Mr.K]

IMHO, the best way to end unemployment, is to cut unemployment benefits completely for a period of time. You would be surprised how fast the lazy f*** will get a job when they can no longer live at the expense of the tax payers.
Your family never had problems with money i presume. Well good for you.
When people get welfare, what do they do? They spend it, and pay tax while buying food an other necessities. So money goes back to the buisnesses and the state.
Cut the benefits and the crime will rise big time, and no matter how many guns you own someone will mug you in the street or jack your SUV because they are pissed and got nothing to lose. The state will have to spend more for the police and the correctional facilities, guess who's gonna pay for that? The tax payer.
The only way to end unemployement is making work obligatory for everyone, with mediocre salaries(or you work for free in a camp ;) ) like in Stalin's USSR. Do you want that?
Flagg said it , people must be able to consume.

[RGRBOX]

I just hope that they get ride of the bastard running the country and let someone else have a crack at it. Or the German that we know could turn into something else.

Yeah, Turkey :|

you forgot Israel...

What does Israel have to do with anything? :|

Germany is still sending a lot of Euros each year to Israel for what happened 60 years ago... Retrebution Payments or something like that.

[RGRBOX]

German economic woes are in large part due to reunification. Billions if not trillions of euros were pumped into East Germany post Cold War.

X2

[RGRBOX]

IMHO, the best way to end unemployment, is to cut unemployment benefits completely for a period of time. You would be surprised how fast the lazy f*** will get a job when they can no longer live at the expense of the tax payers.

You can't be serious......

And you're in business?

How would the millions living on the dole, SUDDENLY without ANY income be expected to pay rent, and buy food?

Increasing the SUPPLY of workers when DEMAND for them is at a 50 years low would only magnify the problem.....try again :roll:

I don't think that this would be the best answer, but many in France for example are pumping out children and not looking for wrk makes that Unemployment check each month much bigger. Something has to be done to curve this and other waist...

[S'13]

I just hope that they get ride of the bastard running the country and let someone else have a crack at it. Or the German that we know could turn into something else.

Yeah, Turkey :|

you forgot Israel...

What does Israel have to do with anything? :|

Germany is still sending a lot of Euros each year to Israel for what happened 60 years ago... Retrebution Payments or something like that.


You mean the compensation money that Holocaust survivers receive.

Yeah it happend 60 years ago, yet these people still have to live with the fact that many or all of their family members were murderd, that their possessions were taken away from them, and that they were exploited by the Nazi war machine in forced labour camps.

And this is only a partial list...

So I wouldn't bitch about the compensation payments if I were you. :roll:

[RGRBOX]

I just hope that they get ride of the bastard running the country and let someone else have a crack at it. Or the German that we know could turn into something else.

Yeah, Turkey :|

you forgot Israel...

What does Israel have to do with anything? :|

Germany is still sending a lot of Euros each year to Israel for what happened 60 years ago... Retrebution Payments or something like that.


You mean the compensation money that Holocaust survivers receive.

Yeah it happend 60 years ago, yet these people still have to live with the fact that many or all of their family members were murderd, that their possessions were taken away from them, and that they were exploited by the Nazi war machine in forced labour camps.

And this is only a partial list...

So I wouldn't bitch about the compensation payments if I were you. :roll:

No, I will bitch about it. If it were up to me then that **** would have stopped a long time ago and the US would too have stopped supporting Isreal. This same problem is one that helped Hitler to fuel his maddness to start WW2. The Germans were paying & Paying the French and others along with losing German lands during the end. People see themselves starving and loosing everything because their Government is paying out to everybody else and giving back nothing to their people. You should know better then to shoot off your mouth, the Jews lost so much so long ago, and they are the ones who will have the most to lose if there is a next time around. Let us hope not...

[S'13]

If it were up to me

And it isn't... ;)
So you can keep on whining and blaming others for all sorts of problems.

I see that with some of our European friends here, old habits die hard.

[roland]

mikebox isn't the best European representative ... in fact I doubt this moron is even European.
But franckly, I'm almost sure nobody takes him seriously. So no need to waste your time with him I guess ...

[Wodan]

mikebox isn't the best European representative ... in fact I doubt this moron is even European.
as he was us soldier in germany, I guess he is... uhhm... american?



But franckly, I'm almost sure nobody takes him seriously. So no need to waste your time with him I guess ...

I take him seriously

[Weasel]

mikebox isn't the best European representative ... in fact I doubt this moron is even European.
as he was us soldier in germany, I guess he is... uhhm... american?



But franckly, I'm almost sure nobody takes him seriously. So no need to waste your time with him I guess ...

I take him seriously

I guess millions of young Germans would take him seriously because they ask themself why they have to pay for what they have nothing to do with.

[askDNA]

I just hope that they get ride of the bastard running the country and let someone else have a crack at it. Or the German that we know could turn into something else.

Yeah, Turkey :|

you forgot Israel...

What does Israel have to do with anything? :|

Germany is still sending a lot of Euros each year to Israel for what happened 60 years ago... Retrebution Payments or something like that.


You mean the compensation money that Holocaust survivers receive.

Yeah it happend 60 years ago, yet these people still have to live with the fact that many or all of their family members were murderd, that their possessions were taken away from them, and that they were exploited by the Nazi war machine in forced labour camps.

And this is only a partial list...

So I wouldn't bitch about the compensation payments if I were you. :roll:

No, I will bitch about it. If it were up to me then that **** would have stopped a long time ago and the US would too have stopped supporting Isreal. This same problem is one that helped Hitler to fuel his maddness to start WW2. The Germans were paying & Paying the French and others along with losing German lands during the end. People see themselves starving and loosing everything because their Government is paying out to everybody else and giving back nothing to their people. You should know better then to shoot off your mouth, the Jews lost so much so long ago, and they are the ones who will have the most to lose if there is a next time around. Let us hope not...

I was talking about Germany turning into Turkey because of the large number already there, immigration, and birth rate. Look at Berlin :|

[RGRBOX]

I just hope that they get ride of the bastard running the country and let someone else have a crack at it. Or the German that we know could turn into something else.

Yeah, Turkey :|

you forgot Israel...

What does Israel have to do with anything? :|

Germany is still sending a lot of Euros each year to Israel for what happened 60 years ago... Retrebution Payments or something like that.


You mean the compensation money that Holocaust survivers receive.

Yeah it happend 60 years ago, yet these people still have to live with the fact that many or all of their family members were murderd, that their possessions were taken away from them, and that they were exploited by the Nazi war machine in forced labour camps.

And this is only a partial list...

So I wouldn't bitch about the compensation payments if I were you. :roll:

No, I will bitch about it. If it were up to me then that **** would have stopped a long time ago and the US would too have stopped supporting Isreal. This same problem is one that helped Hitler to fuel his maddness to start WW2. The Germans were paying & Paying the French and others along with losing German lands during the end. People see themselves starving and loosing everything because their Government is paying out to everybody else and giving back nothing to their people. You should know better then to shoot off your mouth, the Jews lost so much so long ago, and they are the ones who will have the most to lose if there is a next time around. Let us hope not...

I was talking about Germany turning into Turkey because of the large number already there, immigration, and birth rate. Look at Berlin :|

Sorry, but that is very much a hot topic with Germans I've spoken with too. They want the Turks to leave and they've wanted this for a long time. The Turks are being represented in the Reichtags for a couple of years now. this is because the one guy I know of who was voted into the RT, has given up his Turkish Passport and become a German. Most don't give up the Turkish Passports so they can go back when the retire and live cheaper, this is ok, but they seem to always ast like the have no responciblity to Germany and they also take a lot og Euros out of Germany each year to be sent to Turkey and this money isn't spent in Germany. These are just a few of the grips I've heard from Germans, I've spoken with. They have a lot of issues...

[RGRBOX]

mikebox isn't the best European representative ... in fact I doubt this moron is even European.
as he was us soldier in germany, I guess he is... uhhm... american?



But franckly, I'm almost sure nobody takes him seriously. So no need to waste your time with him I guess ...

I take him seriously

I guess millions of young Germans would take him seriously because they ask themself why they have to pay for what they have nothing to do with.

Yes, I'm American, and by the age of some of the People on this list, I've been living longer in Europe then most of them, 13 years. I have family in a couple of countries, and I do a lot of business with most EU member states, and they all bitch about the same stuff.

I'm coming across as a asswhole and a moron, well, I tell you this, maybe in your would all is perfect, but the one I live in people talk, and the talk about what makes them want to go out there and kick some ass, and between pennyless foreigners and having to pay for these poor that stream daily into Europe, then you can understand. The only thing that the EU commision has put the finger on is the legal, tax paying, good people living in Europe, as of the large % of people living here illegaly, and the ones who live here off of the system without putting a finger in to help, then you can see why countries like France and Germany, the two biggest who have this problem when it comes to this, and countries like the ones who want the benifits of the Eu but don't want to join in on truely being a member... If you look at the Eu problem, then you have to look at the whole problem, and it's big, too big to fit in your little name calling thread... maybe life is good for you, but for some, like the 11% of Germans on unemployment, then you can see the direction things are going... Did you know that a man in France who doesn't work, and has 10 children, can bring home over 100,000.-- Euros a year from compensation ??? Who wants to work when it's so good... and in the future all Europens will be paying a EU Tax and part will go to this kind of crap... :cantbeli:

[mountainbear]

mikebox isn't the best European representative ... in fact I doubt this moron is even European.
as he was us soldier in germany, I guess he is... uhhm... american?



But franckly, I'm almost sure nobody takes him seriously. So no need to waste your time with him I guess ...

I take him seriously

I guess millions of young Germans would take him seriously because they ask themself why they have to pay for what they have nothing to do with.

Yes, I'm American, and by the age of some of the People on this list, I've been living longer in Europe then most of them, 13 years. I have family in a couple of countries, and I do a lot of business with most EU member states, and they all bitch about the same stuff.

I'm coming across as a asswhole and a moron, well, I tell you this, maybe in your would all is perfect, but the one I live in people talk, and the talk about what makes them want to go out there and kick some ass, and between pennyless foreigners and having to pay for these poor that stream daily into Europe, then you can understand. The only thing that the EU commision has put the finger on is the legal, tax paying, good people living in Europe, as of the large % of people living here illegaly, and the ones who live here off of the system without putting a finger in to help, then you can see why countries like France and Germany, the two biggest who have this problem when it comes to this, and countries like the ones who want the benifits of the Eu but don't want to join in on truely being a member... If you look at the Eu problem, then you have to look at the whole problem, and it's big, too big to fit in your little name calling thread... maybe life is good for you, but for some, like the 11% of Germans on unemployment, then you can see the direction things are going... Did you know that a man in France who doesn't work, and has 10 children, can bring home over 100,000.-- Euros a year from compensation ??? Who wants to work when it's so good... and in the future all Europens will be paying a EU Tax and part will go to this kind of crap... :cantbeli:

Geneva's people have a bad influence on you! You should move to a less whining, more working part of Switzerland!!!!

[Moledet]

I can't see why you are bitching about foreigners, it's not like you'd do the job they do, especialy not when you can live from others money while doing nothing.

They work for low salary, many hours, and in hard "dirty" jobs. We used to have the same argument here, we had 300,000 foreign workers that pretty much served the avarage Israeli. The government decided to create a big police force that will kick all the illiegal ones out, it worked, they kicked out many of them but the unemployment rate is pretty much the same. The building industry and the agriculture industry are now dropping because there are no workers, because no Israeli want to work in a temperature of 45 degrees inside a hothouse not even for a reasonable income.
They also did a building convention here to help people get works in the building industry only few hundreds came, out of them 12 people decided to work in this industry, out of the 12 ten people left, one got injured and left and the last one is still working.

The economy is now recovering and is showing good signs but that's not due to the foreigners that left.

[RGRBOX]

mikebox isn't the best European representative ... in fact I doubt this moron is even European.
as he was us soldier in germany, I guess he is... uhhm... american?



But franckly, I'm almost sure nobody takes him seriously. So no need to waste your time with him I guess ...

I take him seriously

I guess millions of young Germans would take him seriously because they ask themself why they have to pay for what they have nothing to do with.

Yes, I'm American, and by the age of some of the People on this list, I've been living longer in Europe then most of them, 13 years. I have family in a couple of countries, and I do a lot of business with most EU member states, and they all bitch about the same stuff.

I'm coming across as a asswhole and a moron, well, I tell you this, maybe in your would all is perfect, but the one I live in people talk, and the talk about what makes them want to go out there and kick some ass, and between pennyless foreigners and having to pay for these poor that stream daily into Europe, then you can understand. The only thing that the EU commision has put the finger on is the legal, tax paying, good people living in Europe, as of the large % of people living here illegaly, and the ones who live here off of the system without putting a finger in to help, then you can see why countries like France and Germany, the two biggest who have this problem when it comes to this, and countries like the ones who want the benifits of the Eu but don't want to join in on truely being a member... If you look at the Eu problem, then you have to look at the whole problem, and it's big, too big to fit in your little name calling thread... maybe life is good for you, but for some, like the 11% of Germans on unemployment, then you can see the direction things are going... Did you know that a man in France who doesn't work, and has 10 children, can bring home over 100,000.-- Euros a year from compensation ??? Who wants to work when it's so good... and in the future all Europens will be paying a EU Tax and part will go to this kind of crap... :cantbeli:

Geneva's people have a bad influence on you! You should move to a less whining, more working part of Switzerland!!!!

Ist of all. I have nothing to whine about, I just tell it like I see it. The problem with most, is that their heads are so far up the asses that they can't see reality...

[RGRBOX]

I can't see why you are bitching about foreigners, it's not like you'd do the job they do, especialy not when you can live from others money while doing nothing.

They work for low salary, many hours, and in hard "dirty" jobs. We used to have the same argument here, we had 300,000 foreign workers that pretty much served the avarage Israeli. The government decided to create a big police force that will kick all the illiegal ones out, it worked, they kicked out many of them but the unemployment rate is pretty much the same. The building industry and the agriculture industry are now dropping because there are no workers, because no Israeli want to work in a temperature of 45 degrees inside a hothouse not even for a reasonable income.
They also did a building convention here to help people get works in the building industry only few hundreds came, out of them 12 people decided to work in this industry, out of the 12 ten people left, one got injured and left and the last one is still working.

The economy is now recovering and is showing good signs but that's not due to the foreigners that left.

Are you talking about the Palestinians that are'nt allowed to move freely in Israel??? That's another thread all together...

[S'13]

I can't see why you are bitching about foreigners, it's not like you'd do the job they do, especialy not when you can live from others money while doing nothing.

They work for low salary, many hours, and in hard "dirty" jobs. We used to have the same argument here, we had 300,000 foreign workers that pretty much served the avarage Israeli. The government decided to create a big police force that will kick all the illiegal ones out, it worked, they kicked out many of them but the unemployment rate is pretty much the same. The building industry and the agriculture industry are now dropping because there are no workers, because no Israeli want to work in a temperature of 45 degrees inside a hothouse not even for a reasonable income.
They also did a building convention here to help people get works in the building industry only few hundreds came, out of them 12 people decided to work in this industry, out of the 12 ten people left, one got injured and left and the last one is still working.

The economy is now recovering and is showing good signs but that's not due to the foreigners that left.

Are you talking about the Palestinians that are'nt allowed to move freely in Israel??? That's another thread all together...

Nothing to do with the Palestinians.
The illiegal workers in Israel are mostly Asian or Eastern European.

[Moledet]

I can't see why you are bitching about foreigners, it's not like you'd do the job they do, especialy not when you can live from others money while doing nothing.

They work for low salary, many hours, and in hard "dirty" jobs. We used to have the same argument here, we had 300,000 foreign workers that pretty much served the avarage Israeli. The government decided to create a big police force that will kick all the illiegal ones out, it worked, they kicked out many of them but the unemployment rate is pretty much the same. The building industry and the agriculture industry are now dropping because there are no workers, because no Israeli want to work in a temperature of 45 degrees inside a hothouse not even for a reasonable income.
They also did a building convention here to help people get works in the building industry only few hundreds came, out of them 12 people decided to work in this industry, out of the 12 ten people left, one got injured and left and the last one is still working.

The economy is now recovering and is showing good signs but that's not due to the foreigners that left.

Are you talking about the Palestinians that are'nt allowed to move freely in Israel??? That's another thread all together...
Nope, i'm talking about Eastern europeans, Chinese, Africans, Thai, Philipine, Tibetians, etc...

[RGRBOX]

I can't see why you are bitching about foreigners, it's not like you'd do the job they do, especialy not when you can live from others money while doing nothing.

They work for low salary, many hours, and in hard "dirty" jobs. We used to have the same argument here, we had 300,000 foreign workers that pretty much served the avarage Israeli. The government decided to create a big police force that will kick all the illiegal ones out, it worked, they kicked out many of them but the unemployment rate is pretty much the same. The building industry and the agriculture industry are now dropping because there are no workers, because no Israeli want to work in a temperature of 45 degrees inside a hothouse not even for a reasonable income.
They also did a building convention here to help people get works in the building industry only few hundreds came, out of them 12 people decided to work in this industry, out of the 12 ten people left, one got injured and left and the last one is still working.

The economy is now recovering and is showing good signs but that's not due to the foreigners that left.

Are you talking about the Palestinians that are'nt allowed to move freely in Israel??? That's another thread all together...

Nothing to do with the Palestinians.
The illiegal workers in Israel are mostly Asian or Eastern European.

Why don't the Isreals hire the Palestinians to do the work.. here in Switzerland there is a simular problem with who does the real work here... The Swiss wouldn't do the jobs, like construction, cleaning, etc... so there are a lot from other countries who will, and do these jobs... I understand this well... I'm in sales and this serves me well, small business, but you go to the banks and this is where you find the Swiss...

[S'13]

I can't see why you are bitching about foreigners, it's not like you'd do the job they do, especialy not when you can live from others money while doing nothing.

They work for low salary, many hours, and in hard "dirty" jobs. We used to have the same argument here, we had 300,000 foreign workers that pretty much served the avarage Israeli. The government decided to create a big police force that will kick all the illiegal ones out, it worked, they kicked out many of them but the unemployment rate is pretty much the same. The building industry and the agriculture industry are now dropping because there are no workers, because no Israeli want to work in a temperature of 45 degrees inside a hothouse not even for a reasonable income.
They also did a building convention here to help people get works in the building industry only few hundreds came, out of them 12 people decided to work in this industry, out of the 12 ten people left, one got injured and left and the last one is still working.

The economy is now recovering and is showing good signs but that's not due to the foreigners that left.

Are you talking about the Palestinians that are'nt allowed to move freely in Israel??? That's another thread all together...

Nothing to do with the Palestinians.
The illiegal workers in Israel are mostly Asian or Eastern European.

Why don't the Isreals hire the Palestinians to do the work..


Before the Intifadah a lot of Palestinians were allowed to work in Israel.

Less are allowed to work in Israel since there is the threat of having terrorist coming in as workers, for the same reasons employers prefer having none Palestinian workers.

[RGRBOX]

I can't see why you are bitching about foreigners, it's not like you'd do the job they do, especialy not when you can live from others money while doing nothing.

They work for low salary, many hours, and in hard "dirty" jobs. We used to have the same argument here, we had 300,000 foreign workers that pretty much served the avarage Israeli. The government decided to create a big police force that will kick all the illiegal ones out, it worked, they kicked out many of them but the unemployment rate is pretty much the same. The building industry and the agriculture industry are now dropping because there are no workers, because no Israeli want to work in a temperature of 45 degrees inside a hothouse not even for a reasonable income.
They also did a building convention here to help people get works in the building industry only few hundreds came, out of them 12 people decided to work in this industry, out of the 12 ten people left, one got injured and left and the last one is still working.

The economy is now recovering and is showing good signs but that's not due to the foreigners that left.

Are you talking about the Palestinians that are'nt allowed to move freely in Israel??? That's another thread all together...

Nothing to do with the Palestinians.
The illiegal workers in Israel are mostly Asian or Eastern European.

Why don't the Isreals hire the Palestinians to do the work..


Before the Intifadah a lot of Palestinians were allowed to work in Israel.

Less are allowed to work in Israel since there is the threat of having terrorist coming in as workers, for the same reasons employers prefer having none Palestinian workers.

Although I understand this from the Isreals, I still find this quite sad for the Palestinians...

[Moledet]

I can't see why you are bitching about foreigners, it's not like you'd do the job they do, especialy not when you can live from others money while doing nothing.

They work for low salary, many hours, and in hard "dirty" jobs. We used to have the same argument here, we had 300,000 foreign workers that pretty much served the avarage Israeli. The government decided to create a big police force that will kick all the illiegal ones out, it worked, they kicked out many of them but the unemployment rate is pretty much the same. The building industry and the agriculture industry are now dropping because there are no workers, because no Israeli want to work in a temperature of 45 degrees inside a hothouse not even for a reasonable income.
They also did a building convention here to help people get works in the building industry only few hundreds came, out of them 12 people decided to work in this industry, out of the 12 ten people left, one got injured and left and the last one is still working.

The economy is now recovering and is showing good signs but that's not due to the foreigners that left.

Are you talking about the Palestinians that are'nt allowed to move freely in Israel??? That's another thread all together...

Nothing to do with the Palestinians.
The illiegal workers in Israel are mostly Asian or Eastern European.

Why don't the Isreals hire the Palestinians to do the work.. here in Switzerland there is a simular problem with who does the real work here... The Swiss wouldn't do the jobs, like construction, cleaning, etc... so there are a lot from other countries who will, and do these jobs... I understand this well... I'm in sales and this serves me well, small business, but you go to the banks and this is where you find the Swiss...
And what do they do in Germany? Aren't they also the people that do the physical jobs?

[Wodan]

I can't see why you are bitching about foreigners, it's not like you'd do the job they do, especialy not when you can live from others money while doing nothing.

They work for low salary, many hours, and in hard "dirty" jobs. We used to have the same argument here, we had 300,000 foreign workers that pretty much served the avarage Israeli. The government decided to create a big police force that will kick all the illiegal ones out, it worked, they kicked out many of them but the unemployment rate is pretty much the same. The building industry and the agriculture industry are now dropping because there are no workers, because no Israeli want to work in a temperature of 45 degrees inside a hothouse not even for a reasonable income.
They also did a building convention here to help people get works in the building industry only few hundreds came, out of them 12 people decided to work in this industry, out of the 12 ten people left, one got injured and left and the last one is still working.

The economy is now recovering and is showing good signs but that's not due to the foreigners that left.

Are you talking about the Palestinians that are'nt allowed to move freely in Israel??? That's another thread all together...

Nothing to do with the Palestinians.
The illiegal workers in Israel are mostly Asian or Eastern European.

Why don't the Isreals hire the Palestinians to do the work.. here in Switzerland there is a simular problem with who does the real work here... The Swiss wouldn't do the jobs, like construction, cleaning, etc... so there are a lot from other countries who will, and do these jobs... I understand this well... I'm in sales and this serves me well, small business, but you go to the banks and this is where you find the Swiss...
And what do they do in Germany? Aren't they also the people that do the physical jobs?


hm...

saleswoman are besides of in Mc Donalds female, same for sevants, most of construction workers are german, since last year even harvest helpers, charwomen are here mostly german ... the only positions where work is mostly done by foreigners is in Mc donalds as sales(wo)men and as toilet cleaners

[RGRBOX]

I can't see why you are bitching about foreigners, it's not like you'd do the job they do, especialy not when you can live from others money while doing nothing.

They work for low salary, many hours, and in hard "dirty" jobs. We used to have the same argument here, we had 300,000 foreign workers that pretty much served the avarage Israeli. The government decided to create a big police force that will kick all the illiegal ones out, it worked, they kicked out many of them but the unemployment rate is pretty much the same. The building industry and the agriculture industry are now dropping because there are no workers, because no Israeli want to work in a temperature of 45 degrees inside a hothouse not even for a reasonable income.
They also did a building convention here to help people get works in the building industry only few hundreds came, out of them 12 people decided to work in this industry, out of the 12 ten people left, one got injured and left and the last one is still working.

The economy is now recovering and is showing good signs but that's not due to the foreigners that left.

Are you talking about the Palestinians that are'nt allowed to move freely in Israel??? That's another thread all together...

Nothing to do with the Palestinians.
The illiegal workers in Israel are mostly Asian or Eastern European.

Why don't the Isreals hire the Palestinians to do the work.. here in Switzerland there is a simular problem with who does the real work here... The Swiss wouldn't do the jobs, like construction, cleaning, etc... so there are a lot from other countries who will, and do these jobs... I understand this well... I'm in sales and this serves me well, small business, but you go to the banks and this is where you find the Swiss...
And what do they do in Germany? Aren't they also the people that do the physical jobs?


hm...

saleswoman are besides of in Mc Donalds female, same for sevants, most of construction workers are german, since last year even harvest helpers, charwomen are here mostly german ... the only positions where work is mostly done by foreigners is in Mc donalds as sales(wo)men and as toilet cleaners

Most of the farms are private in Germany, and Germans own them, they do the work, the German work ethic isn't the same as the Swiss. The Germans are hard working people and the put in more then a good day of work. I'm not sure what is happening with the jobs there but I'm sure there are a lot of the same that is going on like in the US. Companies are going foreign where it's cheaper and this denies the people work. At the same time more foreigners are streaming into the country and putting a strain on the system, and also taking what few menial jobs that are out there that a German would prefer to earn the correct salary and the foreigner will except pennies to do... example: McDonalds, BurgerKing etc... I was in a McDs last wekk while traveling back from Germany, and it was a mix of everyone. I will be back with more info later, I just had a conversation with a German who has a strong oppinon on this and I'll get back.... I have to prepare for my daughters B-Day party now... :D

[mountainbear]

mikebox
The German work ethic isn't the same as the Swiss

For the answer to this quote you could usefully report to my first post in this thread.

Main problem in Germany is not the foreigners, it’s the reconstruction of the eastern part economy. I’ve spoken whit many Germans last summer during my trip to Thüringe (East Germany Lander, not shore how to write it), and most of them agreed on this point.
In Switzerland we have 1.2 million foreigners out of a total population of 7 million (more than Germany in %) and unemployment rate is at 3.9% (less than Germany)!!!

[Miles.]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

[Weasel]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Does it really work? The USA have a huge deficit.

[Miles.]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Does it really work? The USA have a huge deficit.

I thought the discussion was Germany's 12% unemployment, and not deficits.

Yes, it has been proven to jumpstart our economy 3 times successfully.

1961 - John F. Kennedy
1980 - Ronald Reagan
2002 - George W. Bush

[RGRBOX]

mikebox
The German work ethic isn't the same as the Swiss

For the answer to this quote you could usefully report to my first post in this thread.

Main problem in Germany is not the foreigners, it’s the reconstruction of the eastern part economy. I’ve spoken whit many Germans last summer during my trip to Thüringe (East Germany Lander, not shore how to write it), and most of them agreed on this point.
In Switzerland we have 1.2 million foreigners out of a total population of 7 million (more than Germany in %) and unemployment rate is at 3.9% (less than Germany)!!!

This I have to agree with you on... I spoke to my wife about all of this today... and she set me straight... the East is the biggest problem, after that it's a mix of bad business by the government and big business moving out to cheaper labor. When I say the East, I'm talking about the money invested in the East and the problems by business when doing business over there. I'm not sure the unemplyment rate for the east but it's very high, she believes maybe around 20%, and then the West arounf 10%, anyway... Germany has some big problems now and there is no help in site.. Schroder better get off his ass soon or he can look for another job himself the next big elections.. and because of all of this, people will look in another direction for leadership.. the direction they chose may not be the direction best desired... History has the ability to repeat itself..

[Macs.]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Yes, but the problem is that our current Goverment has no clue about Economy.

I can't wait to get rid of this idiots.

[Miles.]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Yes, but the problem is that our current Goverment has no clue about Economy.

I can't wait to get rid of this idiots.

I cant wait for yall to get rid of these idiots, too...

[M4ko]

mikebox
The German work ethic isn't the same as the Swiss

For the answer to this quote you could usefully report to my first post in this thread.

Main problem in Germany is not the foreigners, it’s the reconstruction of the eastern part economy. I’ve spoken whit many Germans last summer during my trip to Thüringe (East Germany Lander, not shore how to write it), and most of them agreed on this point.
In Switzerland we have 1.2 million foreigners out of a total population of 7 million (more than Germany in %) and unemployment rate is at 3.9% (less than Germany)!!!

This I have to agree with you on... I spoke to my wife about all of this today... and she set me straight... the East is the biggest problem, after that it's a mix of bad business by the government and big business moving out to cheaper labor. When I say the East, I'm talking about the money invested in the East and the problems by business when doing business over there. I'm not sure the unemplyment rate for the east but it's very high, she believes maybe around 20%, and then the West arounf 10%, anyway... Germany has some big problems now and there is no help in site.. Schroder better get off his ass soon or he can look for another job himself the next big elections.. and because of all of this, people will look in another direction for leadership.. the direction they chose may not be the direction best desired... History has the ability to repeat itself..

So Hitler might be back? Will be interesting!

[Wodan]

mikebox
The German work ethic isn't the same as the Swiss

For the answer to this quote you could usefully report to my first post in this thread.

Main problem in Germany is not the foreigners, it’s the reconstruction of the eastern part economy. I’ve spoken whit many Germans last summer during my trip to Thüringe (East Germany Lander, not shore how to write it), and most of them agreed on this point.
In Switzerland we have 1.2 million foreigners out of a total population of 7 million (more than Germany in %) and unemployment rate is at 3.9% (less than Germany)!!!

This I have to agree with you on... I spoke to my wife about all of this today... and she set me straight... the East is the biggest problem, after that it's a mix of bad business by the government and big business moving out to cheaper labor. When I say the East, I'm talking about the money invested in the East and the problems by business when doing business over there. I'm not sure the unemplyment rate for the east but it's very high, she believes maybe around 20%, and then the West arounf 10%, anyway... Germany has some big problems now and there is no help in site.. Schroder better get off his ass soon or he can look for another job himself the next big elections.. and because of all of this, people will look in another direction for leadership.. the direction they chose may not be the direction best desired... History has the ability to repeat itself..

Hitler is 115 years old (if he is still alive), how could he get leadership again?

So Hitler might be back? Will be interesting!

[Weasel]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Yes, but the problem is that our current Goverment has no clue about Economy.

I can't wait to get rid of this idiots.

Get rid of these idiots and replace them with other idiots.

[Weasel]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Does it really work? The USA have a huge deficit.

I thought the discussion was Germany's 12% unemployment, and not deficits.

Yes, it has been proven to jumpstart our economy 3 times successfully.

1961 - John F. Kennedy
1980 - Ronald Reagan
2002 - George W. Bush

The question was if germany simply can´t cut taxes. The answer is no.

[Werewolf01]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Yes, but the problem is that our current Goverment has no clue about Economy.

I can't wait to get rid of this idiots.

Get rid of these idiots and replace them with other idiots.

rofl Same problem everywhere! rofl

[Weasel]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Yes, but the problem is that our current Goverment has no clue about Economy.

I can't wait to get rid of this idiots.

Get rid of these idiots and replace them with other idiots.

rofl Same problem everywhere! rofl

You can be a good, upright and intelligent man. If you become a politician you loose all your qualities. :|

[Wodan]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Yes, but the problem is that our current Goverment has no clue about Economy.

I can't wait to get rid of this idiots.

Get rid of these idiots and replace them with other idiots.

rofl Same problem everywhere! rofl

You can be a good, upright and intelligent man. If you become a politician you loose all your qualities. :|

ACK

politicans suck, we need a strong Emperor or military dictature!

[Weasel]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Yes, but the problem is that our current Goverment has no clue about Economy.

I can't wait to get rid of this idiots.

Get rid of these idiots and replace them with other idiots.

rofl Same problem everywhere! rofl

You can be a good, upright and intelligent man. If you become a politician you loose all your qualities. :|

ACK

politicans suck, we need a strong Emperor or military dictature!

Guido Westerwelle! woot

[Werewolf01]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Yes, but the problem is that our current Goverment has no clue about Economy.

I can't wait to get rid of this idiots.

Get rid of these idiots and replace them with other idiots.

rofl Same problem everywhere! rofl

You can be a good, upright and intelligent man. If you become a politician you loose all your qualities. :|

ACK

politicans suck, we need a strong Emperor or military dictature!


Brauchten sie ein andere Kaiser?!?

[Wodan]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Yes, but the problem is that our current Goverment has no clue about Economy.

I can't wait to get rid of this idiots.

Get rid of these idiots and replace them with other idiots.

rofl Same problem everywhere! rofl

You can be a good, upright and intelligent man. If you become a politician you loose all your qualities. :|

ACK

politicans suck, we need a strong Emperor or military dictature!

Guido Westerwelle! woot

OH MY ****ING GOD

libertarians



*kotz*

[Weasel]

Can't the German Govt. just reduce taxes, and relax govt. regulations on business to get the economy moving?

Seems to always work here in the US...whenever we need a quick fix.

Yes, but the problem is that our current Goverment has no clue about Economy.

I can't wait to get rid of this idiots.

Get rid of these idiots and replace them with other idiots.

rofl Same problem everywhere! rofl

You can be a good, upright and intelligent man. If you become a politician you loose all your qualities. :|

ACK

politicans suck, we need a strong Emperor or military dictature!


Brauchten sie ein andere Kaiser?!?

Yes. ;)

http://www.stahlgewitter.com/c_personen/KAISER5.JPG

[Freibier]

This is our Kaiser:
http://img104.exs.cx/img104/5348/beckenbauer1ev.jpg

[Macs.]

This is our Kaiser:
http://img104.exs.cx/img104/5348/beckenbauer1ev.jpg

KAISER FRANZ FOR PRESIDENT !!!

[Weasel]

This is our Kaiser:
http://img104.exs.cx/img104/5348/beckenbauer1ev.jpg

KAISER FRANZ FOR PRESIDENT !!!

Ja, is denn scho Weihnachten?

[Macs.]

"Damals hat die halbe Nation hinter dem Fernseher gestanden." (über das WM-Finale 1990)

"Die Schweden sind keine Holländer - das hat man ganz genau gesehen."

"Berkant Oktan ist erst siebzehn. Wenn er Glück hat, wird er nächsten Monat achtzehn."

"Es gibt nur eine Möglichkeit: Sieg, Unentschieden oder Niederlage."

"Zehn Millionen sind heute kein Geld mehr – dafür kaufen die Engländer den Platzwart."

- Franz "Der Kaiser" Beckenbauer

[Miles.]

The question was if germany simply can´t cut taxes. The answer is no.

They need to cut the social programs, if they want to have a productive society. Plus, it gives you much more money to spend!! woot

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

They need to cut the social programs, if they want to have a productive society.Mmmm... cutting unemployment benefits will in some way inspire people to become more productive this is a new one on me, please explain how this will work in Germany.

[Miles.]

They need to cut the social programs, if they want to have a productive society.Mmmm... cutting unemployment benefits will in some way inspire people to become more productive this is a new one on me, please explain how this will work in Germany.

Though I didn't single out unemployment benefits, I guess it can be discussed. The whole idea of having benefits (over an extended period of time) for people who don't work is absurd. And if you dole out less money, folks who receive subsidized income will get less, thereby reinforcing the need to get up and get a job.

We had extensive subsidized income for the poor, mostly blacks (not intended as racism, just statement of fact), and what we ended up with is GENERATIONS of poverty-level folks who never really had motivation or incentive to have a career. Only now has this cycle really been discussed, much less addressed as a matter of policy. I mean, we have token reforms on Welfare, but the underlying spirit is still the same. Just my $0.02...

Give the citizens a rebate on their taxes and the economy will move forward, upward, etc.

[Scagel]

The question was if germany simply can´t cut taxes. The answer is no.

They need to cut the social programs, if they want to have a productive society. Plus, it gives you much more money to spend!! woot

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Social programs are a charity that some countries just cant afford.