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96B
11-22-2003, 01:38 PM
Tuesday, November 4, 2003 · Last updated 6:40 a.m. PT

Peace activist parents mourn death of Army son in Iraq

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

KENT, Wash. -- As a boy, Benjamin L. Colgan marched with his parents in peace protests.

Joseph and Pat Colgan, 62 and 60, whose activism dates from the Vietnam war, were surprised when their son enlisted in the Army but continued to support him, even as they opposed the war in Iraq.

On Monday their worst fears came true. Colgan, 30, a second lieutenant, the father of two young daughters with a third child due next month, died Saturday when a roadside bomb exploded as he responded to a rocket-propelled grenade attack in Baghdad, the Defense Department said.

A U.S. flag hung outside the family's two-story home Monday. Funeral arrangements were pending.

Word came with a knock on the door at the Colgans' home in this Seattle suburb.

"I saw the cross on his lapel pin and I said, 'No, not my son! Not my son!'" his mother said.

"There will be many people experiencing the same thing," she added. "This war, it shouldn't be."

Colgan was assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 3rd Field Artillery Regiment, 1st Armored Division.

His parents were concerned when he gave a dim appraisal of Baghdad in an e-mail Friday.

"What raised a red flag was when he said, 'It's getting real old and getting real crazy,'" his father said.

As a young child, he had joined his parents on marches to protest nuclear weapons at Naval Submarine Base Bangor. Then, to pay for college, he enlisted in the Army after graduation from Mount Rainier High School in Des Moines in 1991.

"That was hard, but you support your children," his mother said.

She and her husband joined protest marches again against the war in Iraq this year.

They tied a yellow ribbon around the maple in their front yard, a tree they had planted when he was born. On Monday they replaced it with a black ribbon.

Colgan initially planned to become a medic but joined the Special Forces and then Delta Force, the military's most elite and secretive unit.

He left to attend officer candidate school, was assigned to the 1st Armored Division in Germany after graduation and hoped to return to Delta Force after earning his captain's bars, his father said.

His mother says his death has only strengthened her position against the war.

"People keep asking, 'Are the Iraqis better off?' " she said. "What we have to start asking is 'Are we better off?' and we're not. We're losing our children."


Colgan initially planned to become a medic but joined the Special Forces and then Delta Force, the military's most elite and secretive unit.

He left to attend officer candidate school, was assigned to the 1st Armored Division in Germany after graduation and hoped to return to Delta Force after earning his captain's bars, his father said.

Really?

duck
11-22-2003, 01:55 PM
;) "Delta" is just a Zionist conspiracy.

Deuterium
11-22-2003, 02:11 PM
What do you mean by "Really?"

Argyll
11-22-2003, 02:18 PM
Can someone smell Tuna?
Something is not right with this,why would this guy give up a career in SF,and especially CAG to become an officer?Had he run his course as far as being an Enlisted SNCO,what would he be in regards to rank,before going to OCS's?
I think a career in Spec Ops is almost like a lifelong thing,unless you come to the end of the rung,just like Eric Haney,where there were no slots open to him?
Does anyone else find this story a little bizarre?


Edit,just as an after thought,would he have to go through SFAS/CAG selection again,after he went to a line unit,or would he have a quick refresher?

Deuterium
11-22-2003, 02:25 PM
While I never considered this option myself I've had a couple of buddies do this option. One only has to look at the pay scales and see one big reason. I wouldn't say this is THE only reason. Some guys are genuinely attracted to leading men on a large scale. I don't doubt this story though I don't know the person involved. I DO find it ironic that the son of a couple of peaceniks turned out to be a warrior. RIP bro.

Argyll
11-22-2003, 02:35 PM
He He Deut,thats for sure it's well known that the Sgts and SNCO's in the Army are it's backbone.
Yeah condolences to his family and friends too.

Would he have had to do selection again though?For either SF and laterly CAG?

oh and also very very ironic that he was the Ultimate warrior,and his parents were protesting for peace!!

96B
11-22-2003, 03:18 PM
While I mean no disrespect to this man who gave the ultimate sacrifice, I find it strange that one would have to leave CAG for another unit in order to become an officer. How much money does the Army spend training these guys to that level of proficiency? Why send him to a unit where he would not put all of those acquired skills to use? Then again, what do I know...

Deuterium
11-22-2003, 03:53 PM
A senior NCO with 20 years in the Army makes less than a Officer with 4 years in the Army. If he wanted to come back in SF he would be required to go through a much smaller portion of the "Q" course.

marktigger
11-22-2003, 03:56 PM
the problem the army sees is that it is difficult to jump from the ranks to comission and it would be extremley difficult for a newley comissioned officer to go back to a unit like that and fit in as an officer when he was an OR.

Deuterium
11-22-2003, 04:57 PM
the problem the army sees is that it is difficult to jump from the ranks to comission and it would be extremley difficult for a newley comissioned officer to go back to a unit like that and fit in as an officer when he was an OR.

I disagree. SF has a lot of officers that were previous enlisted SF. We have, in fact, the largest ammount. Every warrant on EVERY team is a former enlisted SF soldier.

Argyll
11-22-2003, 04:57 PM
Yeah but it sound like this poor chap may have been fast tracking,he only had 12 years service,so summising that he was in a line unit when he joined,served for 2 years,then went onto SFAS ,that would give him 10 years Spec Ops service,at which at I'm guessing he would be a SFC,but these guys in SF will know more about the Rank structure than me,it sounds a strange one to leave CAG to go to a line unit after OCS,how long is OCS selection,as this chap seems to have done a lot in his 12 years!?

96B
11-22-2003, 05:23 PM
Deuterium, if you say so I'll gladly take your word for it I was just initially skeptical mainly because he made it all the way to the top and then was assigned to a conventional unit upon commission. Not to mention the fact that his parents actually knew he was involved with the unit.

Deuterium
11-22-2003, 06:31 PM
Well if a guy goes Officer after being Enlisted he will go to the "needs of the Army" upon commisioning. He may get to choose his branch and he will certainly get to put in a "dream sheet". One of my best friends was Ranger Bat 4 years, SF for 3, then went OCS. After OCS he spent 3 more years in Field Artillery before comming back to SF.

Argyll
11-22-2003, 06:55 PM
do you call him Sir?

James
11-22-2003, 11:55 PM
I'm a marine not a soldier, so set me straight if I'm mistaken - Army officers in SF, etc. are captains, no? If this fellow decided to become an officer after having served as an enlisted soldier, he would have to become a captain to return to SF.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I'm sorry he is gone.

Nawlins
11-23-2003, 12:36 AM
I DO find it ironic that the son of a couple of peaceniks turned out to be a warrior. RIP bro.

Yes. And apparently a very good one.


Not to mention the fact that his parents actually knew he was involved with the unit.

But it's not as secretive as it used to be, correct? I don't see why he wouldn't tell his parents he was in the unit, even if he couldn't say what he was specifically doing.

Ratamacue
11-23-2003, 12:43 AM
Delta is still not officially acknowledged by the US government, which means that operators must pose as members of another unit. An example would be Somalia in 1993, when the D-boys posed as Rangers.

Nawlins
11-23-2003, 12:44 AM
Delta is still not officially acknowledged by the US government, which means that operators must pose as members of another unit. An example would be Somalia in 1993, when the D-boys posed as Rangers.

Ah. Makes sense. Thanks for the correction.

96B
11-23-2003, 12:57 AM
In a certain sense it is not as secret as it used to be in that everybody at Bragg knows where the compound is and they hold seminars/briefings to anybody who is interested in the unit at different bases across the globe.

With regards to family members' knowledge of an operators occupation, I suppose there are suspicions and educated guesses but I wont say that they know for a complete fact in every case.

What is still secretive about the unit are the obvious things such as the identity of its operators, where they deploy, unit manpower etc. Although not from personal experience, I can say with confidence that short of the requirements to go to selection, the specifics of the actual 3-4 week selection process held twice a year is classified.

Nawlins
11-23-2003, 01:10 AM
Very interesting. Thanks.

Excellent quote in your sig by the way.